Overseas Vias
1300s
Here is some of the information about the de Via Bishops. I found
this in a French Library near Paris. I don't know if or how they
are related to the VIA family. Source: Les Papes D' Avignon
(1305-1378) Letouzey & Ane', Paris, 1949 Nihil obstat- lutetiae
Parisiorum by G. Mollat. p. 483 and 43.
1. Bernarde de Via (Cardinal appointed by Pope Jean XXII) (page 483)
Jacques de Via (Cardinal appointed by Pope Jean
XII) (page 43).
Some background historical context is found in: Lives of the
Popes by Richard P. McBrian, HarperCollins Publications SanFrancisco,
CA. 1997
Pope Jean XXII was Pope from August 7, 1316 to December 4, 1334. He
was the second of the Avignon Popes. He was born Jacques Duese (of
Cahors), he was the cardinal-bishop of Porto at the time of the election
to the papacy on August 7, 1316 in Lyons after the death of Clement V.
Jacques was 72 years old at the time of his election. He was crowed
in Lyons on Sept. 5, by Cardinal Napoleone Orsini. He lasted 18 years as
Pope. All of the Pope Jean XII appointments to the college of Cardinals
were French except for one Spaniard and 4 Romans. His worst fault
was nepotism, bestowing money, gifts and church offices on relatives and
friends. Two of these relatives were his nephews Barnarde and Jacques.
This Pope is known for opening the church in Armenia, India and Iran and
beginning the papal library of Avignon. He also founded the university
in Cahors. He died on December 4, 1344 at age 89 and was buried
in the Cathedral of Notre-Dame-desDoms in Avignon.
-- from Leon Via
"Despite the Templars' abandonment of any papal affiliation, this
new Order was not apparent as a Templar institution, and since the Pope
held the international reins of Chivalric Orders, a meeting was
necessary for registration. Gaston de la Pierre Phoebus was the senior
representative for the mission, and Pope John agreed to issue a Charter
so long as his own nephew, Jacques de Via, became the operative Grand
Master. However, de Via died on 6th May 1317, and the position
immediately became vacant, whereupon the Knights elected Guidon de
Montanor (who was then in Scotland), and they duly returned with the
necessary Charter of Incorporation, which they present to King Robert."
-- from Brenda Clark
My family who left [Virginia] about 1870, had a vague feeling
that somewhere in the past, we were Huguenots, but it was not a big
issue, just a casual
speculation in passing. We were very poor farming folk when we
first came to Texas after the Civil War. The land of our fathers was a
battleground in 1862, and
again in 1864, and a higher education was not a priority then. I have
thought, because there was not much knowledge of Medieval or
Renaissance or
Church or French history, that perhaps there was more to the Huguenot
origin than folklore, that these uneducated folk had to have heard the
story from verbal
tradition through the centuries. No one in the family seemed to know
from whence it came. I have simply kept the thought in my head and have
made some attempts
to prove or disprove it. I have done research in England and France
particularly. I am aware that along the English Channel, in seacoast
towns
especially, there reside and have for at least four centuries, that I
am aware of, many Vye families. There is little distance between France
and England along
the English Channel, and most of the Vyes stayed in villages and
parishes along this coast suggesting that they were probably fishermen
or somehow made their
living at sea. There has been much travel back and forth across the
channel from the earliest of times. Directly across from England there
is a Vire River
that empties into the channel and a Vire castle in France a short
distance inland from that coast. Perhaps a possibility here. Actually
the Latin
pronunciation of Via is V-long I -and the A is pronounced as an
aspiration, a diphthong. Think of viaduct, viable, vial, Viagra,
viaticum. All long I's. Second
acceptance in all my dictionaries is listed with I as long E, the
Romance language pronunciation of I. In Texas because of the Spanish
influence, people say V-long
E-A (uh), as in Air Mail, but in the dictionary V-long I-A is the first
pronunciation. I laughingly advance that we originated as a Roman
Legionaire who
retired in Southern Gaul, perhaps in Arles or Aix-en-Provence. Have you
ever been to Cahors on the Lot River? When the Papacy was moved to
Avignon during the great schism of the 14th century, Pope John XXII
(Jacques, surname Duese) was from Cahors, and he had two Via (de Via)
nephews
(must have been sons of his sister because surnames are different),
Jacques de Via and Armand de Via that the Pope elevated to the
positions of Bishop and
Cardinal. There was a large de Via family around Cahors, which is not
far distant from the hotbed of dissenters in Languedoc. I am not
proficient in French
or Latin, but I can read parish registers, menus and get the gist of
deeds and wills. My sister and I spent a week in Cahors, capital of the
department,
pouring over records in the archives for the entire department. We
stayed in the castle or palace overlooking the Lot River that Pope John
XXII built as his
summer retreat, and which is now a fine hotel. When we left there, we
went to Avignon. In Avignon The Palace of the Popes is in a constant
state of
restoration, and not all rooms are open, but there is one small room of
sculpture that is. There is a bust of the Cardinal (Armand) in the
room, and Jacques' name
is on a plaque on the wall as Bishop of Avignon. Their father was
Pierre de Via (his will). Armand built and lived in the Petite Palais
that stands in
front of the Palace of the Popes and which is open to the public. In
New Avignon (across the Rhone River) there is a church in which Armand
was Bishop,
and his tomb is there to view. These ecclesiastics are mentioned in
various documents (in Latin) in the British Library (when I saw them
first, they were in the
Briish Museum). We proved nothing, of course. That was 14th century,
and Amor makes no appearance for another 300 years. But it is a place
to start in
Europe (and incidentally, the name is very uncommon in Europe also).
There are just a few pockets of de/da Via (in Valladolid in Spain, a
few in Paris, the
large contingent in Cahors, one in Bologna, Italy, and I believe I saw
one in a parish register in the Ardennes in the 18th century). Of
course, there may be
others about whom I am unaware and know nothing. There is a small
village, named Vias, near Narbonne. I met a charming, friendly old lady
in the little park
there who spoke no English, and I could not converse in French, but we
each knew enough Spanish (Narbonne and Vias being near the border with
Spain)
that we communicated in this third language. I have never searched in
Holland, Belguim or Germany. Many Huguenots fled to those countries,
especially
to the Low Countries after the Spanish were driven out. There is not a
VIA in the London telephone directory nor in any directory that I have
checked in
England. I can't help thinking that Amor just passed through there on
his way to America, although he had to have learned to read and write
English somewhere.
Perhaps he was of one of those Vye families along the coast and the
spelling changed or remained in a state of flux as it continues to.
There is a Robert
and a William Vie on the Isle of Ely in the 17th century. Don't go
looking for it in the North Sea. It is in the Fens, landlocked, in
Cambridgeshire
--from Janelle
1400s
1450 Jaquelina Via (female) born in Paris, Seine, France, wife of Lambert
Uthmann (IGI; FHL #446255)
-- from Leon Via
1600s
1637 Baptism of Jean Vio
-- from Leon Via (Index of
Baptism Records of Montauban, 1637-43, p. 15)
1642 Marie Via (female) approx. birth date in St-Nicolas-Des -Champs,
Paris , Seine, France
Father: Robert Vie Mother: Sainte Paulin
(IGI; FHL # 502506)
-- from Leon Via
I found the following at the Walloon Archives in Amsterdam and the Central
Bureau voor Genealogie in Den Haag, Netherlands.
This is a baptism record of Pierre Via in 1651.
Baptise' a' Montauban le 19 Mars, 1651
Via, Pierre,
fil, de Jean,
et de Anne Baissiere
-- from Leon Via
Louis VIA, né le 14 mai 1666, décédé le
22 janvier 1724.
allié le 28 octobre 1686 - , Chessy, SEINE ET MARNE, à
Marie MAILLET, décédée le 23 juillet 1703, dont
Translation:
Louis VIA, born 14 may 1666, died 22 january 1724.
married 28 october 1686 - , Place: Chessy, Seine et Marne, to Marie
MAILLET, died 23 july 1703
-- from Bob & Lisa Price
(communication from Mr. Gogel, a French researcher)
I found a reference to a Via who was a minister (Huguenot) in France
in the city of Sabarat.
Source: Essai sur L'Histoire Du Protestantisme dans la Generalalite
De Mountauban sous l'Intendance de N.-J Foucault 1674-1684. Documents
in edits Carte et gravures hors-texte. by Robert Garrisson.
Publication Du Musee' Du Desert en Cevennes, page 261-261. Liste des
pasteurs et anciens qui assisterent aux synodes du Haut-Languedoc et de
la Haute-GuSynode de Millau, 18 Octobre 1674.
Colloque de Foix: Sabaret: le sr de Via, Ministre.
It is interesting to note that from the Colloque de Foix region their were
9 churches. But, only two of the nine came to the Synod. Ministre
de Via and Ministre de la Riviere from Le Mas-d'Azil. The other church
were Saverdun, Calmont, Carla, La Bastide-de-Leran, Les Bordes, Camarade,
Maseres and the two above. Five had letters of d'excuse and two were
absents. I believe that Ministre de Via could be one of our relatives from
the south of France.
-- from Leon Via
Also in Montauban the name N. de Bia or DEBIA appears in records in
judgment by the Jesuits who charged this man for being
a relapsed heretic. He was jugded and banished in 1683 by the parliament
of Toulouse .
-- from Leon Via
As You may know a Via Coat of Arms says VIA (da) from Bologne. It is
a lion stand on two feet with his tongue out and tail up holding
a feur-de-lis in his hands representing purity. The back ground is red
on the bottom and white on the top.
-- from Leon Via
Source: Association Oath Rolls: British Plantations 1696 --Thanks,
Buddy
THE HAGUE
Your Magesties subjects residing at the Hague.
| Phil McDonald |
Henry Yorkes |
Jean Vie |
| John Chamers |
John Lillie |
John Colbert |
| Richard Ball |
James Mercer |
George Jefferson |
| Thomas Harrison |
Abram Fletcher |
|
We your Magesty's most dutiful and Loyal Subjects, residing in the Province
of Holland have thought it equally our duty to sign the above written Association,
as if we were actually in Your Majesty's Realms and Dominions and we humbly
take this occasion to assure Your Majesty that we sincerely acknowledge
the hand of Providence in the preservation of Your Majesty's Most Sacred
Person from the late horrid Conspiracy, and that we do ardently offer up
our Prayers to the Almighty God for the Continuance of Your Majesty's life
and the prosperity of Your Government as any of your Majesty's dutifull
and Loyal Subjects. Wheresoever all the Hague this first day of May
1696.
[Jean Vie could become John if the king rewarded him with land in Virginia.]