Ancestors of Amy Russell Tolbert

Ancestors of Amy Russell Tolbert



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William I "the Liberator" Of Toulouse, Count of Arles and Adelaide "the White" d'Anjou, of Anjou


Husband William I "the Liberator" Of Toulouse, Count of Arles 1 2 3 

            AKA: Guillaume of Provence, Willelmus II of Provence
           Born: Abt 947 - Toulouse, France 4
     Christened: 
           Died: Sep 1037 - Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 5
         Buried: 


         Father: Boso II of Arles, Count of Provence (Abt 0920-Abt 0963) 1 6
         Mother: Constance de Provence, of Vienne (Abt 0920-Abt 0963) 1 7


       Marriage: After 984 - 4th Husband 2ND Wife 8

   Other Spouse: Arsenda of Comminges (Abt 0953-Bef 0984) 1 9 - 1st Wife 9
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 1, Died while living as a monk in Avignon, France


Wife Adelaide "the White" d'Anjou, of Anjou 1 3 8 10 11 

           Born: Abt 942 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 12
     Christened: 
           Died: 1026 - Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 4
         Buried: 


         Father: Fulk II "Le Bon" Anjou, Count of Anjou (Abt 0909-0958) 1 13 14
         Mother: Gerberga de Gatinais (0915-0952) 1 15


   Other Spouse: Etienne II De Brioude (Abt 0940-Bef 0972) 1 8 - 1st Husband 8

   Other Spouse: Raymond V Taillefer Count Of Toulouse (0947-Abt 0990) 1 16 17 18 - Abt 972 - 2ND Husband 8

   Other Spouse: Louis V "The Do-Nothing" King Of France (0967-Between 0987) 1 11 - 982 - 3rd Husband - Divorced 984 19

Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage 3, 1st wife, 975

Children
1 M William III Count Of Arles & Provence 1 20 

           Born: Abt 985 - Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 1018
         Buried: 

         Spouse: Gerberge Countess Of Burgundy (0986-      ) 1 20
           Marr: 1002






2  F  Queen Constance d'Arles 1 22 23 24











            AKA: Constance Of Arles,21 Constance De Toulouse
           Born: Abt 986 - Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 23
     Christened: 
           Died: 25 Jul 1032 - Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 25
         Buried:  - St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France



         Spouse: Robert II "The Pious" Capet, King of France (0972-1031) 1 24 26 27 28
           Marr: Bef 1002 - France 25








3  F  Odile De Provence 1





           Born: Abt 987 - Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France
     Christened: 
           Died: After 1012
         Buried: 











General Notes: Wife - Adelaide "the White" d'Anjou, of Anjou



The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie AT interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

TatjanaAV wrote:
>
> >Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname.  She is better known as
> >Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
> >France, and William of Provence.
>
> So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
> in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
> (Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
> de Rouergue).

Yes.  This was only recently rediscovered.  There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond".  The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond.  These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

> When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
> she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted.  As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons.  A more recent guess is about 975.

> Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

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Duke Conan I of Brittany, Comte De Rennes and Ermengarde d'Anjou











Husband Duke Conan I of Brittany, Comte De Rennes 1 13 29





            AKA: Conan I Of Bretagne
           Born: Abt 950 - Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 29 Jun 992 - Killed 29
         Buried: 







         Father: Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De Rennes (Abt 0910-0970) 1
         Mother: Gerberge (Abt 0925-      ) 1








       Marriage: 980 - France 30 31










Wife Ermengarde d'Anjou 1 13 29





           Born: Abt 963 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 27 Jun 992
         Buried: 







         Father: Count Geoffrey I Grisegnelle d'Anjou, Count of Anjou (0938-0987) 1 32 33 34
         Mother: Adelaide de Vermandois (Abt 0945-0976) 1 15 35









   Other Spouse: Alan IV Fergent, Duke of Brittany (Abt 1059-1119) 36








Children

1  M  Geoffrey I Duke Of Brittany 1 37 38





           Born: Abt 980 - Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 39
     Christened: 
           Died: 20 Nov 1008 - Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 37 38
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Hawise Of Normandy (Abt 0975-1034) 1 37
           Marr: 996 39








2  F  Judith of Brittany 1 36 37





            AKA: Judith De Rennes
           Born: Abt 982 - Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 13 40
     Christened: 
           Died: 16 Jun 1017 - Normandy, France 40
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Richard II "The Good" of Normandy, Duke of Normandy (0970-1026) 1 36 37 41
           Marr: Abt 1000 - Normandy, France 31 40












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Alan IV Fergent, Duke of Brittany and Ermengarde d'Anjou











Husband Alan IV Fergent, Duke of Brittany 36





           Born: Abt 1059 - Brittany, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 13 Oct 1119
         Buried: 




       Marriage: 





   Other Spouse: Princess Constance of Normandy (1066-1090) 1 36 42 - 1086 - Caen, , Basse-Normandie, France










Wife Ermengarde d'Anjou 1 13 29





           Born: Abt 963 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 27 Jun 992
         Buried: 







         Father: Count Geoffrey I Grisegnelle d'Anjou, Count of Anjou (0938-0987) 1 32 33 34
         Mother: Adelaide de Vermandois (Abt 0945-0976) 1 15 35









   Other Spouse: Duke Conan I of Brittany, Comte De Rennes (Abt 0950-0992) 1 13 29 - 980 - France 30 31









Children




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Count Geoffrey I Grisegnelle d'Anjou, Count of Anjou and Adelaide de Vermandois











Husband Count Geoffrey I Grisegnelle d'Anjou, Count of Anjou 1 32 33 34





           Born: 11 Nov 938 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 21 Jul 987 - (Slain In Battle) 15 34
         Buried: 







         Father: Fulk II "Le Bon" Anjou, Count of Anjou (Abt 0909-0958) 1 13 14
         Mother: Gerberga de Gatinais (0915-0952) 1 15








       Marriage: 2 Mar 951 - 2ND Husband 1St Wife 31



Noted events in his life were:

•   Alt. Birth 34, Abt 950










Wife Adelaide de Vermandois 1 15 35





            AKA: Adelaide Comtessa De Chalons,43 Adelaide De Troyes
           Born: Abt 945 - Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 8 Apr 976 15
         Buried: 







         Father: Robert I of Troye, Comte De Meaux & Troye (Abt 0920-0968) 1 44
         Mother: Adelaide of Burgundy (Abt 0928-After 0967) 1 44 45 46







Noted events in her life were:

•   Alt. Birth 15 35, Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France, Abt 950




•   Alt. Death 35, Abt 975





Noted events in their marriage were:

•   Alt. Marriage 34, 965






Children

1  F  Gerberge D' Anjou 1 47 48





           Born: 962 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 47
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 








2  F  Adelaide D' Anjou 1





           Born: Abt 968 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: Bef 999
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Nocher II Comte De Bar-Sur-Aube (Abt 0965-After 1019) 1 49
           Marr: 1st Wife








3  F  Ermengarde d'Anjou 1 13 29





           Born: Abt 963 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 27 Jun 992
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Duke Conan I of Brittany, Comte De Rennes (Abt 0950-0992) 1 13 29
           Marr: 980 - France 30 31



         Spouse: Alan IV Fergent, Duke of Brittany (Abt 1059-1119) 36








4  M  Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' Anjou 1 31 50 51





           Born: 21 Jun 967 - Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 21 Jun 1040 - Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France 50
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Elizabeth De Vendome (Abt 0979-0999) 1 52
           Marr: 996 - 1st Wife 52



         Spouse: Hildegarde (Abt 0984-1040) 1 31 50
           Marr: After 1000 31 50











General Notes: Wife - Adelaide de Vermandois



Note: Turton names her Adelaide de Chalons, daughter of Thebault de Chalons.  I believe this is a mistake based on the name given by her marriage to her first husband, Lambert d'Auton, Count of Chalons.

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The following was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

Jim,

Actually it's even uglier than that.  ES indicates that Geoffrey married Adelaide de Vermandois & upon her death, married her widowed mother Adelaide de Burgundy, heiress of Chalons.  It also states the same mother & dau also married Lambert, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saone, Vicomte de Dijon.

To see discussions of the absurdity of this go to google - groups - soc.genealogy.medieval & use keyword: grisgonelle

The following archived messages give a good synopsis of the problem:
Mardi Carter 26 Mar 1998
Jim Stevens 26 Mar 1998
Kenneth Harper Finton 26 Mar 1998
Christopher Nash 7 Jun 1998

To date I've not seen a definitive solution.

Regards,
Curt

Note: I have read some of the postings.  They seem to indicate that Geoffrey m. this Adelaide (although she is sometimes named "Adele de Donzy" and possibly another Adelaide as well, and that this Adelaide may not have married Lambert d'Autun, Count of Chalons?).  The part about the mother & daughter marrying the same people is (as it should be) discounted.  I am removing her marriage to Lambert d'Autun, making his wife Adelaide of Burgundy.



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Domar Domaldsson and Drott Danpsdoittir











Husband Domar Domaldsson





           Born: 361
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 







         Father: Domald Visbursson (0340-      )
         Mother: 








       Marriage: 










Wife Drott Danpsdoittir





           Born:  - Sweden
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 








Children

1  M  Dyggi Domarsson





           Born: 382
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 












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Sir John Danvers











Husband Sir John Danvers





           Born: Bef 1490
     Christened: 
           Died:  - Waterstock, Oxfordshire, England
         Buried: 




       Marriage: WFT Est 1509-1541



Noted events in his life were:

•   Residence - Waterstock, Oxfordshire, England










Wife 





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     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 








Children

1  F  Elizabeth Danvers





           Born: After 1515
     Christened: 
           Died: WFT Est 1547-1609
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Sir Thomas Cave (After 1515-1558)
           Marr: Bef 1543 53












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Living and Living











Husband Living (details have been suppressed)





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           Died: 
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       Marriage: 










Wife Living (details have been suppressed)





           Born: 
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           Died: 
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         Father: David Loxley Davidson (      -      )
         Mother: Living













Children




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John Savage and Margaret Danyers











Husband John Savage





           Born: 1343 - Cheadle, , Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 1386
         Buried: 




       Marriage: Abt 1369 - Cheadle, , Cheshire, England










Wife Margaret Danyers





           Born: 1347 - Cheadle, , Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 24 Jun 1428
         Buried: 







         Father: Thomas Danyers (Bef 1325-      )
         Mother: Isabel Baggalegh (Bef 1325-      )












Children

1  M  Sir John Savage, Knight





           Born: 1370 - , Cheshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 1 Aug 1450
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Maud de Swynnerton (1379-1415)












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Sir John de Skipwith and Isabel d'Arches











Husband Sir John de Skipwith





           Born:  - Skipwith, , Yorkshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died:  - Thorp, Lincolnshire, England
         Buried: 







         Father: Sir William de Skipwith, Lord Skipwith (      -      )
         Mother: Alice Thorp (      -      )








       Marriage: 










Wife Isabel d'Arches





           Born:  - Wranby, Lincolnshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 







         Father: Sir Robert d'Arches (      -      )
         Mother: 












Children

1  M  John de Skipwith





           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Margaret de Flinton (      -      )












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Sir Robert d'Arches











Husband Sir Robert d'Arches





           Born:  - Wranby, Lincolnshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 




       Marriage: 










Wife 





           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 








Children

1  F  Isabel d'Arches





           Born:  - Wranby, Lincolnshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



         Spouse: Sir John de Skipwith (      -      )











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