Husband Geoffrey De Venoix Le Marshal 1 2 3
AKA: Geoffrey "The Marshal" De Venuz
Born: Bef 1049 - Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France 4
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Died: After 1086 - East Worldham, Hampshire, England 3
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Father: Miles De Venoix Le Marshal (Abt 1020-Bef 1070) 1 2 5
Mother: Lesceline (Abt 1022- ) 1 5
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1 F Daughter De Venuz 1 6
Born: Abt 1086 - Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France
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Spouse: Gilbert Le Marshal, Of Winterbourne (Abt 1067-Bef 1130) 1 7
General Notes: Husband - Geoffrey De Venoix Le Marshal
Geoffrey the Marshal, son and heir [of Miles], succeeded his father in or before 1070, and with his (unnamed) brother or brothers sold to St. Stephen's, Caen, a strip of cultivated land situated between the 2 branches of the Odon at Venoix and a tenant there. He gave abbot William (1070-79) the land in which the monks had made a channel of the Odon and the claim derived from it. In 1086 he held land in chief at East Worldham, Hants, as Geoffrey the Marshal, and as Geoffrey he held lands at Draycot, Wilts. His wife's name is unknown, but he is presumably father or grandfather of Robert de Venoix, who unsuccessfully claimed the office of Master Marshal against Gilbert the Marshal under Henry I. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:123]
Husband Gilbert Marshal, 7th Earl Of Pembroke 1 8
AKA: 07th Earl Of Pembroke Gilbert Marshal
Born: Abt 1196 - Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
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Died: 27 Jun 1241 - Tournament At Ware, Hertfordshire, England (Dsp Legit) 8
Buried: - Hertford Priory (Entrails), Temple Church, London (Body)
Father: William Marshal, 4th Earl Of Pembroke (1146-1219) 1 9 10 11 12 13
Mother: Isabel De Clare, Countess Of Pembroke (Abt 1172-1220) 1 13 14
Marriage: 1 Aug 1235 - Berwick-On-Tweed, Northumberland, England 8
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General Notes: Husband - Gilbert Marshal, 7th Earl Of Pembroke
EARLDOM OF PEMBROKE (VII) 1234
GILBERT (MARSHAL), EARL OF PEMBROKE, and hereditary Master Marshal, brother and heir, being 3rd son of the 4th Earl. Intended for the Church, he took minor orders, and from 1225 held various benefices (e). In 1229 he set out for the Holy Land. He supported his brother Richard and acted for him in Ireland. After the Earl's death he was allowed to cross to Wales with his younger brothers and they soon obtained the King's pardon (h). On 11 June 1234 the King knighted him at Worcester and invested him with the Earldom of Pembroke and the office of Marshal. On 9 December 1234 he was granted the honor of Laigle (Sussex) and castle of Pevensey, in February 1234/5 the honor of Glamorgan, and in June the honor of Carmarthen. He officiated as Marshal at the Coronation of Queen Eleanor in 1236. In the same year he took the cross. In 1238 he supported his brother-in-law, the Earl of Cornwall, against the King's foreign favourites. On 12 November 1239 he swore at Northampton to go on crusade, provided that Cornwall would reconcile him to the King, which Earl Richard duly did when they were preparing to start in the summer of 1240. Being restored to favour, Gilbert stayed in England, but he still intended to go to Jerusalem. However, in June 1241 he received mortal injuries in a tournament. He was a benefactor to the monastery of St. Mary de Gloria in the diocese of Anagni, to Nutley Abbey and Tintern Abbey, and the lepers' hospital of St. Mary Magdalene of Little Haverford.
His alleged 1st marriage to Maud, daughter of [? William] DE LANVALEI, is due to a clerical error. He married, 1 August 1235, at Berwick, Margaret, daughter of WILLIAM the LION, King of Scotland, by Ermengard, daughter of Richard, Vicomte de BEAUMONT. He died as aforesaid, s.p. legitimate, 27 June 1241, at Hertford Priory (h2), where his entrails were buried, while his body was buried beside those of his father and brother in the new Temple Church, London. His widow died 17 November 1244, and was buried in the Church of the Preaching Friars. [Complete Peerage X:371-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(e) He became rector of Orford (Suffolk) and Tiverton (Devon) in 1225, of WIngham (Kent) in 1228. On 30 Apr 1230, and again 25 Sep 1232, the King ordered that if the gift of any prebend should accrue to him it should be bestowed on Gilbert immediately.
(h) On 12 May 1234 the King ordered the Justiciar of Ireland to allow the 3 brothers to come to him to seek his favour. On 25 May he received Gilbert into his grace and restored all his hereditary rights in England, Ireland, and Wales. Gilbert delivered his castles of Strigoil and Dumas as security to the Archbishops of Canterbury and Dublin respectively; but on 22 Aug, the King granted that Gilbert himself might hold them; and all his other castles were restored to him. On 2 Jan 1234/5 the King gave him 1,000 marks out of fines made with him by knights taken in war in Ireland with Richard Marshal.
(h2) He was carried to the Priory from the tournament and died there the same evening. Other writers say simply that he died at Ware or in a tournament at Ware, or that he was carried from the tournament to Ware and lived till midnight. On 29 June John of Monmouth was ordered to demand from the constables the castles of Strigoil, Usk, and Caerleon; and on 1 July orders were issued to the constables of his Irish and Welsh castles to surrender them.
Husband Gilbert Le Marshal, Of Winterbourne 1 7
AKA: Gilbert "The Marshall" FitzRobert, Gilbert Giffard Of Winterbourne, King's Marshal 15
Born: Abt 1067 - Cheddar, Axbridge, Somerset, England
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Died: Bef 1130 - Winterbourne Monkton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England 7
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Father: Robert Giffard, Of Cheddar (Abt 1045-After 1086) 1 16
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Wife Daughter De Venuz 1 6
Born: Abt 1086 - Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France
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Father: Geoffrey De Venoix Le Marshal (Bef 1049-After 1086) 1 2 3
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1 M John "The Marshal" FitzGilbert, Of Rockley 1 17 18 19 20
AKA: John Fitzgilbert Le Marshal
Born: Bef 1109 - Winterbourne Monkton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England 20
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Died: Bef 29 Sep 1165 - Rockley, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England 20
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Spouse: Aline Pipard, Heiress Of Wooton Basset (Abt 1105- ) 1 20 21
Marr: 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced By 1141 20 22
Spouse: Sibyl De Salisbury (Abt 1127- ) 1 18 19 20
Marr: 1142 - 2ND Wife 23
General Notes: Husband - Gilbert Le Marshal, Of Winterbourne
Gilbert the Marshal, was the first known holder of the office. He with his son John successfully maintained their right under Henry I to the office of Master Marshal in the King's Household, for which they had been impleaded in the King's Court by Robert de Venoiz and William de Hastings (g). The name and parentage of Gilbert's wife are unknown. He d. in or shortly before 1130 (h). [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:92]
(g) This appears from King John's confirmation, 20 Apr 1200, to William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. Gilbert may have been son or grandson of an otherwise unknown Robert, who in 1086 held Cheddar, Somerset, under Roger de Courseulles. Robert the Marshal, who in 1086 held Lavington, Wilts, in chief, has been suggested as the possible progenitor of the family, but this is unlikely, as in 1166 Lavington was held by Piers de la Mare.
(h) He left at least 2 sons, John abovenamed and William Giffard, who was presented to the church of Cheddar Hole, Somerset, and was admitted by Godfrey, Bishop of Bath (1122-35), which church was given to Bradenstoke Priory by his brother John. Unless there was another brother named William, he was Chancellor to the Empress Maud in 1141 and 1142. Presumably William was called "Giffard" as a nickname -- the chubby cheeked.
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The following is a post to SGM, 8 Jan 2003, by John Ravillious, which introduces the name "Giffard" into the Marshal family (CP thought it was merely a nickname for Gilbert's brother). Perhaps this family is connected to the Giffards of Loungeville, Normandy:
From: Therav3 AT aol.com (Therav3 AT aol.com)
Subject: Gilbert Giffard of Winterbourne Monkton: ancestor of William Marshal ?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-01-08 21:16:34 PST
Wednesday, 8 January, 2003
Hello All,
A wise man once said, ' Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.' Well, he probably said it more than once.
Anyway, in looking about for more Despenser detritus, I came across an article from the English Historical Review from 1999 in which the author (N. E. Stacy) put forth, in part, the position that the family of William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke derived from one Gilbert Giffard (or Gibard), Domesday tenant of Winterbourne Monkton. I have incorporated the relevant portion of the article below [1].
Is anyone of the list aware of this derivation being accepted, or disproven? If this is correct, the information below impacts the ancestry of the widest range of list members (apologies to JSG: William Marshal is another good candidate for 'Kilroy of medieval English ancestry').
Good luck, and good hunting to all.
John *
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[1] From English Historical Review, Feb.1999: Henry of Blois and the Lordship of Glastonbury ( N. E. Stacy)
online: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0293/455_114/54050231/print.jhtml
' A major player in the politics of the civil war was the subject of another remarkable omission from the abbey's carta. On the border of John Marshal's manor of Rockley and only six miles from his base at Marlborough lay the Glastonbury manor of Winterbourne Monkton, including a 3 1/2-hide subtenancy over which the abbot's lordship had been recognized in 1086 and was to be again in 1173 and thereafter, but which was absent from the carta of 1166.(2) At the time of Domesday it had been held by Gilbert
Gibard'.(3) He withheld geld from his demesne, which, as a mesne tenant, he was not entitled to do, but as one of the chief officers of the royal household he was anyway exempt. For Gilbert
Gibard' or Giffard was in fact the marshal, father of John I and grandfather of John II, who answered for one fee of Glastonbury Abbey in 1173.(4) No Marshal obligation, however, was recorded in 1166. Bishop Henry's relations with the family can never have been good, since its opposition to Stephen had been patent: John I's brother, William, had become Matilda's chancellor,(5) while John himself had pursued his own interests, which took him often into the Angevin camp but rarely, if ever, into Stephen's.(6) However, the Marshal exclusion from Glastonbury's carta was not based purely on personal antagonism, for the fee they held of Henry as bishop of Winchester was duly recorded in 1166.(7) The Glastonbury problem was probably connected with a dispute between the abbey and another tenant, the earl of Salisbury, over his fee at Mildenhall (Wilts.). This large subtenancy had been granted as a marriage-portion to Earl Patrick's sister, Sybil, on her marriage to John Marshal in the 1140s and thereafter the service owed to the abbot had lapsed.(1) Whether the Marshal instigated the refusal of service from his wife's manor because of a dispute over Winterbourne or withheld service from Winterbourne because of his in-laws' dispute over Mildenhall cannot be known, but the two problems were surely connected. Bishop Henry as usual proved intractable and no settlement could be made in either case while he was alive. It was his successor, Abbot Robert of Winchester (1173-80), who secured Earl William of Salisbury's confirmation of knight service owed from Mildenhall and John Marshal II's acknowledgment of that due from Winterbourne Monkton.(2) By an irony Richard Cotel, the successor and namesake of Bishop Henry's enemy, was to marry the heiress of the rear tenant of the latter fee and so extend the presence within the Glastonbury lordship of a family which the Bishop had been at pains to expel.(3) '
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The earliest notice of this family occurs in the time of Henry I, when Gilbert Mareschall, and John, his son, were impleaded by Robert de Venoix and William de Hastings for the office of Mareschal to the king, but without success. The son, (bearing the same surname, derived from his office), was called John Mareschall. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 357, Marshal, Barons Marshal
Husband Ibert De Venoix Le Marshal 1 5
AKA: Ibert "The Marshal" De Venoix
Born: Abt 995 - Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France
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1 M Miles De Venoix Le Marshal 1 2 5
AKA: Miles "The Marshal" De Venoix
Born: Abt 1020 - Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France
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Died: Bef 1070 2 5
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Spouse: Lesceline (Abt 1022- ) 1 5
General Notes: Husband - Ibert De Venoix Le Marshal
Ibert the Marshal, with Count William [the Conqueror] and other magnates, attested a charter within the years 1038-1050 for the Abbey of the Holy Trinity of the Mont de Rouen. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:122]
Note: CP does not say that Ibert is father of Miles, the next Marshal, but the office was hereditary.
Husband Prince Richard of England, 1st Earl of Cornwall, King of the Romans 24
Born: 5 Jan 1208
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Died: 2 Apr 1272
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Father: Prince John "Lacklund" of England, King of England (1166-1216) 25
Mother: Isabella (De Taillefer) D'Angouleme (Abt 1188-1246) 24
Marriage: 30 Mar 1231 - 2ND Husband 1St Wife 26 27
Other Spouse: Countess Sanchia of Provence ( -1261) 24 - 23 Nov 1243
Other Spouse: Beatrice de Fauquemont ( -1277) 24 - 16 Jun 1269
Wife Isabel Marshal 1 24 27 28
AKA: Isabel Marshall
Born: 9 Oct 1200 - Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
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Died: 17 Jan 1240 - Birkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England 27 29
Buried: - Beaulieu, Hampshire (Body), Tewkesbury Abbey (Heart)
Father: William Marshal, 4th Earl Of Pembroke (1146-1219) 1 9 10 11 12 13
Mother: Isabel De Clare, Countess Of Pembroke (Abt 1172-1220) 1 13 14
Other Spouse: Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester (1182- )
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1 M Henry
Born: 2 Nov 1235
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Died: 13 Mar 1271 - Viterbo
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Spouse: Constance of Bearn ( -Abt 1299)
General Notes: Husband - Prince Richard of England, 1st Earl of Cornwall, King of the Romans
Elected, 1256, King of the Romans
General Notes: Wife - Isabel Marshal
He [Gilbert de Clare] m. 9 Oct 1217, Isabel, daughter of William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, by Isabel, daughter and heir of Richard de Clare, known as Strongbow, formerly Earl of Pembroke. Being engaged in an expedition to Brittany, he d. on his way back at Penros in that duchy, 25 Oct 1230. His body was conveyed by way of Plymouth and Cranbourn to Tewkesbury, where he was buried before the high altar, 10 Nov 1230, a monument being erected by his widow. He made his will 20 Apr and 23 Oct 1230. His widow m., 2ndly, 30 Mar 1231, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, 2nd son of King John. She d. 17 Jan 1239/40, in childbed, at Berkhampstead, of jaundice, and was buried at Bealieu, Hants, her heart being sent to Tewkesbury Abbey. [Complete Peerage V:694-6]
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Wife Joan Marshal 1 30 31
Born: Abt 1208 - Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, England
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Father: William Marshal, 4th Earl Of Pembroke (1146-1219) 1 9 10 11 12 13
Mother: Isabel De Clare, Countess Of Pembroke (Abt 1172-1220) 1 13 14
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General Notes: Wife - Joan Marshal
He [Warin de Munchensy] married, 1stly, after her father's death (he died 14 May 1219), Joan, youngest of the 5 daughters of William (MARSHAL), EARL OF PEMBROKE, by Isobel, suo jure Countess of Pembroke, and, in her issue, coheir of her brother Anselm, EARL OF PEMBROKE. [Complete Peerage IX:421-2, XIV:493, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Husband John Le Marshal, Of Rockley, Sir 1 32 33
Born: Abt 1144 - Rockley, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England 33
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Died: Mar 1194 32 33 34
Buried: - Bradenstoke Priory, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John "The Marshal" FitzGilbert, Of Rockley (Bef 1109-Bef 1165) 1 17 18 19 20
Mother: Sibyl De Salisbury (Abt 1127- ) 1 18 19 20
Marriage: - No Marriage 32
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General Notes: Husband - John Le Marshal, Of Rockley, Sir
John the Marshal, brother (of the half-blood) and heir [of Gilbert FitzJohn, eldest son by 1st wife Aline, dsp. before Michaelmas 1166 at Salisbury], being 3rd but 1st surviving son of John FitzGilbert, and 1st son by his 2nd wife. He was b. probably in 1144 or 1145. In 1165 he succeeded to a part of his father's lands, and in 1166 he succeeded to his half-brother's lands, with the office of Master Marshal. In 1170 he was with the Young King Henry at Winchester. In 1171-1172 he was sent to Ireland in charge of treasure amounting to 333.6.8 marks. At the Coronation of Richard I, 3 Sep 1189, he carried the Gold Spurs. He was appointed custodian and receiver of all escheats in England, and he was in constant attendance upon the King up to June 1190. He was Sheriff of Yorkshire 1189-90 and of Sussex 1191-93, in which county he held Bosham at farm of the King. In 1192 he was acting as a judge in cos. Oxford and Berks.
He m. Joan, daughter of Adam de Port, Lord of Basing, by his 1st wife, Mabel de Orval. He dsp. in Mar 1194, and was buried at Bradenstoke. His wife survived him and m. 2ndly, Richard de Rivers; she was living in 1204, but dead in 1213. The office then passed to John's brother, William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:96-97]
Note: Even though the above says "dsp", CP indicates he probably had an illegitimate son by Alice.
Husband John Le Marshal, Of Rockley, Sir 1 32 33
Born: Abt 1144 - Rockley, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England 33
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Died: Mar 1194 32 33 34
Buried: - Bradenstoke Priory, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John "The Marshal" FitzGilbert, Of Rockley (Bef 1109-Bef 1165) 1 17 18 19 20
Mother: Sibyl De Salisbury (Abt 1127- ) 1 18 19 20
Marriage: Bef 1190 - 1st Husband 33
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General Notes: Husband - John Le Marshal, Of Rockley, Sir
John the Marshal, brother (of the half-blood) and heir [of Gilbert FitzJohn, eldest son by 1st wife Aline, dsp. before Michaelmas 1166 at Salisbury], being 3rd but 1st surviving son of John FitzGilbert, and 1st son by his 2nd wife. He was b. probably in 1144 or 1145. In 1165 he succeeded to a part of his father's lands, and in 1166 he succeeded to his half-brother's lands, with the office of Master Marshal. In 1170 he was with the Young King Henry at Winchester. In 1171-1172 he was sent to Ireland in charge of treasure amounting to 333.6.8 marks. At the Coronation of Richard I, 3 Sep 1189, he carried the Gold Spurs. He was appointed custodian and receiver of all escheats in England, and he was in constant attendance upon the King up to June 1190. He was Sheriff of Yorkshire 1189-90 and of Sussex 1191-93, in which county he held Bosham at farm of the King. In 1192 he was acting as a judge in cos. Oxford and Berks.
He m. Joan, daughter of Adam de Port, Lord of Basing, by his 1st wife, Mabel de Orval. He dsp. in Mar 1194, and was buried at Bradenstoke. His wife survived him and m. 2ndly, Richard de Rivers; she was living in 1204, but dead in 1213. The office then passed to John's brother, William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:96-97]
Note: Even though the above says "dsp", CP indicates he probably had an illegitimate son by Alice.
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Wife Margaret Marshal 1 35 36
Born: Abt 1166 - Rockley, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
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Father: John "The Marshal" FitzGilbert, Of Rockley (Bef 1109-Bef 1165) 1 17 18 19 20
Mother: Sibyl De Salisbury (Abt 1127- ) 1 18 19 20
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General Notes: Wife - Margaret Marshal
He [Ralph de Somery] married Margaret, sister of William (MARSHAL), EARL OF PEMBROKE, and daughter of John FITZGILBERT the Marshal, by his 2nd wife Sibyl, sister of Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE. He died Michaelmas 1210. His widow married, 2ndly, Maurice DE GANT, and was living in 1242-43. [Complete Peerage XII/1:110-11, XIV:586 [transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Wife Margaret Marshal 1 35 36
Born: Abt 1166 - Rockley, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
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Father: John "The Marshal" FitzGilbert, Of Rockley (Bef 1109-Bef 1165) 1 17 18 19 20
Mother: Sibyl De Salisbury (Abt 1127- ) 1 18 19 20
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General Notes: Wife - Margaret Marshal
He [Ralph de Somery] married Margaret, sister of William (MARSHAL), EARL OF PEMBROKE, and daughter of John FITZGILBERT the Marshal, by his 2nd wife Sibyl, sister of Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE. He died Michaelmas 1210. His widow married, 2ndly, Maurice DE GANT, and was living in 1242-43. [Complete Peerage XII/1:110-11, XIV:586 [transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]