Carl and Lillie (Berger) ERTEL of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio Children: Ruth, Dorothy, Grace, and Helen

Ohio Counties where Carl and family lived Montgomery, Warren, etc

Monroe County Lillie's family home county click to locate Sardis, Goodwin on the Ohio River border with West Virginia

1860s

1867 Nov 3 - Anna C. (DANGEL) BERGER WINKLER, Edward's future wife, was born to Jacob and Magdalena DANGEL findagrave in Monroe County OH.
    Ohio County Marriages 1789-2013 lists her father as John D. rather than Jacob. Anna was Henry W. WINKLER's second wife, married in 1907. findagrave

1905 Oct 4 - Edward BERGER died in Monroe Co OH findagrave Buried in Saint Johns Methodist Church Cemetery, Goodwin, OH. He was 41. Lillie was almost 13 when her father died.
Portage Co OH, where Lillie's 3 brothers lived, is 5 counties north of Monroe Co in eastern Ohio.

Anna and Edward BERGER had had 7 children aged 12 to born the same year: 1) Lillie Clara ERTEL 1892-1968 2) Pearl Nellie 1894-1923 3) Mabel Frieda 1896-1952 4) Spurgeon Wallace 1898-1952 Monroe Co OH; findagrave 5) Robert Oscar 1900-1963, Portage Co OH? 6) Clayton Clarence 1902-1962, Portage Co OH? 7) Earl Edward 1905-1961, Portage Co OH?     and Earl's wife Clara

1905 Dec 31 - Mary Segenthaler Winkler died. Born 4 Jun 1871 in Berne Switzerland, Mary was first married (on 24 May 1891) to Johannes "John" WINKLER (1855-1893)
    then married (on 22 Oct 1896) to Henry WINKLER (1860-1936) both men of Monroe County, OH.
    Mary and John had 2 known chileren: Ella Esther (1892-1986) and Alma Dora WINKLER (1893-1974), step-sisters to Lillie. They had husbands and children.

1907 April 4- Anna DANGEL BERGER married Henry W. WINKLER (1860-1936), step-father to Lillie, when she was 14. Anna was Mr. WINKLER's second wife as he was her second husband.
Anna - findagrave | Henry - findagrave

"1910 - The Dorcas Institute, the present Cincinnati Training School, was organized as a school for religious education, where young women could prepare for the deaconess work and other religious activities. This phase of the curriculum was then removed from the School of Nursing. The school of nursing was reorganized and enlarged to provide for the education of nurses. For the first time, applicants other than deaconess candidates were accepted into the school." - Bethesda Alumni

1910-1914 Carl and Lillie met when Carl had broken his leg and was hospitalized at Bethesda Hospital (Cincinnati, OH) when the only room available was in the maternity ward where Lillie was a nurse.

1911 - According to his obituary, at the time of his death (on 2 July 1952), Carl "had been the pastor of the Mulberry, O., Methodist church, near Milford, O. (Clermont and Hamilton Counties), for the last two years. He had held other pastorates in Methodist churches in Indiana and Ohio in the 41 years (thus since 1911) of his ministerial career." Ed Ertel's wife Frances took family history notes at a reunion in the early 1970s which indicated that Carl and Lillie had ministered at several churches as well as a children's home. I don't yet know about his training for the ministry.

1915 - They married on January 15 1915 in Monroe Co OH. Carl was 29 and Lillie was 22.

1916 - Their first child, Ruth Naomi was born June 26 1916 in Ohio.

Carl was a Methodist minister, from 1911 to his death in 1952. There had been a family disagreement over whether to be Roman Catholic or Lutheran. I think the BRUNNERs wanted the ERTELs to be Roman Catholic. Carl's older sister Frieda's family remained Roman Catholic, but the others - Mina, Carl, Bertha, Hermon, and Edward - were Protestant - Lutheran or, as Carl was, German Methodist.

Carl was already 32 and was not drafted. One of the effects of first World War on German Americans was to make other Americans question their loyalties. Apparently there were many who, like Wilhelmina, continued to speak German and not English. Also, if Ernst's family was typical, German Americans married other German Americans and went to German speaking churches. Carl had begun his ministry preaching in German. Because of the war, it became necessary for him to learn to preach in English.

[Note articles about German Methodism in America -
* F. A. Norwood stated that by 1840, Germans numbered one-fourth of the
population of Cincinnati, and were instrumental in introducing Methodism into Germany.
* Experince of German Methodist Preachers, by Rev Adam Miller, M.D., online book
* History of Methodism in the United States
* German Methodist Church Hysteria
* WW1 Anti-German Hysteria
* Demise of the German Methodist Church]

1926 - Both Carl and Lillie's mothers died: Grandma Anna C (DANGEL) BERGER (2 Oct 1926) and Grandma Wilhelmina Ertel (29 Dec 1926) died in 1926.

1952 - Carl, aged 67, died of cancer of the stomach on July 2, 1952 at the Bethesda Hospital in Cincinnati, and was buried at Dayton Memorial Park Cemetery in Dayton, OH. Section 15 | Lot : 199 | Space : 1 | Date of burial: 07/05/1952 findagrave [See his death certificate, right, with 1885 birth on April 3. The baptism record, below, says he was born April 22, 1885, but that was likely the date of his infant baptism.] According to his obituary, at the time of his death (on 2 July 1952), Carl "had been the pastor of the Mulberry, O., Methodist church, near Milford, O., for the last two years. He had held other pastorates in Methodist churches in Indiana and Ohio in the 41 years of his ministerial career." I don't yet know about his training for the ministry, but his first two daughters (Ruth 1916 and Dorothy 1917) were born in Ohio, and his last two daughers (Grace 1923 and Helen 1926) were born in Michigan. 1968 - Lillie Ertel, aged 75, died in Piqua OH on May 24, 1968 before her November 22th birthday. She, Carl, her in-laws Ernest and Wilhelmina, plus several of Carl's sibligs were buried at Dayton Memorial Park. 1969 - Henry P. "Hank" Vennen died (August 20) aged 44. He was born March 17, 1925 in NJ and served in the US Navy in WW2. He was married to Grace ERTEL on Feb 12, 1944 by her father, ??? Carl ERTEL. Hank was buried at Dayton Memorial Park Cemetery. Cemetery source searches: Dayton Memorial Park Cemetery | Find A Grave (Ertels in DMPark) Record searches: FamilySearch Org

click to enlarge Carl Ertel's death certificate

The Children and Grandchildren of Carl and Lillie ERTEL

1) Ruth Ester (findagrave.com) [or Naomi] ERTEL b. 26 June 1916 Hannibal, OH d. 11 Dec 1990 OH (74) (SSDI) (cemetery)	Ruth never married She lived in Piqua, OH
2) Dorothy Elizabeth ERTEL b. 2 Dec 1917 Hannibal, OH d. 2 July 1989 OH (71) (SSDI) (FindAGrave.com)	15 Jan 1945 - married Donald A. STEINBACH 23 Aug 1923-6 Jan 2000	Dorothy & Don's family history Donna Lee (STEINBACH) ZOBRIST Dale Albert STEINBACH Robert Lloyd STEINBACH John Patrick STEINBACH Dorothy died on July 2, her father Carl's birthday.
3) Grace Alice ERTEL b. 16 Oct 1923 Allegan, MI d. 25 Apr 2009 (85) at Otterbein Home, Lebanon OH	2 Dec 1944 - married Henry "Hank" VENNON 17 Mar 1925 - 20 Aug 1969 (44) Dayton Memorial Park Cemetery, 15-199-5 came from New Jersey to Ohio Served in the Navy, WWII	Son: James Douglas VENNEN (Facebook) Son: Steven "Sven" Lee VENNEN FB from Facebook: Jim Vennen's biography Grace & Hank were buried at the Dayton Memorial Park Cemetery.
4) Helen ERTEL b. 30 Sept 1926 Holt, MI d. 24 June 2012 OH Pleasant Hills United Methodist Church	William L. "Bill" JONES b 7 Jan 1922 OH married on 6 June 1953 d 28 June 2018 OH His obituary History of Bill and Helen JONES	Greg JONES Doug JONES Kathy (JONES) NOVAK

Name: Karl
Residence: Brombach, Loerrach, Baden
Christening date: 20 May 1885
Christening place: EVANGELISCH, BROMBACH, LOERRACH, BADEN
Birth date: 22 Apr 1885
Birth place: 
Father name: Ernst Ertel
Father name note: 
Mother name: Wilhelmine Kuebler
Mother name note: 
Gender: Male
Death date: 
Name note: 
UDE batch number: C93486-2
Date range: 1870 - 1901
Record group: Germany-VR
Film number: 1189314
Collection: Germany Baptisms 1700-1900