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                                                              The Fancher Family Origins
                                                                                                                                              Attachment C                                                                                    
                        
Baptismal Records of the Children of David Faucher and Marthe des Fontasne


                                                   French Church At Threadneedle Street
                                                                         London, England

           

            Dimanche 27 (Septembre 1696)
Jean                 Fils de David Fa�che & Marthe des Fontasne sa femme par(ain)
                        Jean Gr�erre & maraine Anne le Pigot

                        Sunday 27 (September 1696)
Jean                 Son of David Fa�che & Marthe des Fontasne his wife Godfather
                       Jean Gr�erre & Godmother Anne le Pigot
                        ___________________________________________________________
                      
                        Du 29th Januier 1698/9

Elizabeth          Fille de David Faucher & Marthe sa femme cordonnier travaillant

                        a la journ�e, demurant dans Monmouth Street paroisse Stepney
                        pour parain Izaac le Rour* & pour maraine Elizabeth Caron.

                                            29th January 1698/9
                    Elizabeth          Daughter of David Faucher & Marthe his wife, working as a
                                            journeyman shoemaker, living in Monmouth Street parish Stepney
                                            for Godfather Izaac le Rour* & for Godmother Elizabeth Caron.

                                                         *or le Roun
                                            ______________________________________________________

                                           Du 30 Mars 1701
                    Marthe            Fille de David Faucher Shoemaker & Marthe sa femme
                                          dans Monmouth Street paroisse de Stepney Spitlefeilds hameau
                                          parain Pierre da maraine Marthe Hervieux 

                                          30 March 1701
                    Marthe            Daughter of David Faucher Shoemaker & Marthe his wife
                                          in Monmouth Street parish of Stepney Spitalfields hamlet
                                          Godfather Pierre and Godmother Marthe Hervieux
                                          __________________________________________________________

                                          Du 2 ime Aoust 1702
                    Ester              Fille de David Fouchet Shoemaker & Marthe sa femme
                                          dans Monmouth paroisse de Stepney Spitlefeilds hameau par
                                          Henry B�cer & Ester Sele      
  

                    Ester              2 August 1702
                                         Daughter of David Fouchet Shoemaker & Marthe his wife
                                         in Monmouth parish of Stepney Spitalfields hamlet Godparents

                                         Henry B�cer & Ester Sele

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                                         Du 29 Ditto (Jul 1705)
                    Suzanne       Fille de David Fouche� & Marthe sa femme
                                        in Monmouth Street Stepney Parish par Francois
                                        Villars & Suzanne Porriall 

                                        29th the same (29 July 1705)
                    Suzanne       Daughter of David Fouche� & Marthe his wife
                                        in Monmouth Street Stepney Parish Godparents Francois
                                        Villars & Suzanne Porriall
                                        ______________________________________________________

                                         Le 16 Juin 1707
                   Jean David     Fils de David Fau Chet et sa famme*
                                         par Jean Goubert et Madelaine sa famme*

                                         16 June 1707
                   Jean David      Son of David Fau Chet and his wife
                                         Godparents Jean Goubert and Madelaine his wife

                                       *femme         
                          
                          ________________________________________________________________________________

 

The following six pages are copies of the original baptismal records of David and Marthe Faucher’s children in the French Church at Threadneedle Street, London, England:

(Records of the French Church, Threadneedle Street, London, England, Public Records Office, London, England, RG4/4645, Filmed 1986 (Microfilm Volumes 1482451 and 466708, Family History Center, Church of the Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah)

                                                                                                                                                                          50


 8th Entry On Page: Jean, Son of David Fa�che & Marthe des Fontasne



                                                                                                                                                               51       


4th Entry on Page: Elizabeth, Daughter of David Faucher & Marthe



                                                                                                                                                       52


6th Entry on Page: Marthe, Daughter of David Faucher (Shoemaker) & Marthe



                                                                                                                                                         53


5th Entry on Page: Ester, Daughter of David Fouchet (Shoemaker) & Marthe

                                                                                                                                                          54


8th Entry on Page: Suzanne, Daughter of David Fouche� & Marthe



                                                                                                                                                          55


2nd Entry on Page: Jean David, Son of David Fau Chet and his wife

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        Samples of Incorrect David Faucher Data in Church of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) Databases 

The next pages of data are a sample of information that has been entered into LDS databases and are made available to everyone on their www.familysearch.org website. There are numerous entries concerning David Faucher and Marthe Des Fontaines and many connect the Colonial Fanchers to them as their children.  Unfortunately, this information has been used extensively by people who are unaware it is incorrect, and who are also unaware that these submissions are not part of actual vital records that have been copied by the LDS church. 

          For example, a search for “David Faucher” on the LDS website will return the following records:

1     Ancestral File                                       
6 International Genealogical Index (IGI) – British Isles
1 International Genealogical Index (IGI) – Continental Europe
6 International Genealogical Index (IGI) – North America
8 Pedigree Resource Files

In this total of 22 records found for “David Faucher” – all 22 have errors. 

Of the 14 records for “David Fancher” found in the IGI – British Isles, all 14 have errors, and each one mistakenly links him, in one way or another, to David Faucher. 

The LDS records do contain vital records copied by members of the Church, however their records also contain other information taken from lineages (Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource files, and Patron Sheets) submitted to them. These submissions do not require proofs or sources of any kind. Information from these submitted lineages can also appear duplicated in the International Genealogical Index (IGI), the same database where the actual vital records are located. In addition, a relative can be sealed (“Sealings for the dead”) to the LDS Church by a member, or baptized (“Baptisms for the dead”) and this information also appears as an “Individual Record” in the IGI with no required proof.  Members of the LDS Church create these genealogical records for religious ceremonies that they maintain for “Eternity.” To tell the difference between an actual vital record copied by the LDS and a submission, sealing, or baptism, it is necessary to check the source information of each individual record. None of the records linking the Colonial Fanchers to David Faucher are vital records. They are all submissions containing erroneous information and no source information or proofs. 

The only vital records that appear for David Faucher’s children are the baptisms in the French Threadneedle Street Church, London, England. (Records of the French Church, Threadneedle Street, London, England, Public Records Office, London, England, RG4/4645, Filmed 1986 (Microfilm Volumes 1482451 and 466708, Family History Center, Church of the Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah). Extensive searches have never uncovered any further documentation anywhere about the David Faucher Family other than this church record in London. The family just disappears and nothing more can be ascertained about it. These Threadneedle Street Church baptisms do not contain the names of the Colonial Fanchers. Originally, these vital records from the Threadneedle Church were entered into the database by Mrs. LaFaun K. Andrews of Idaho Falls, Idaho when she was keying vital record data for the LDS Church. A conversation with Mrs. Andrews revealed she did not enter that they were parents of the Colonial Fanchers, or any other Fancher-related information.  Over the years, the original information has been altered and added to by other people in the form of submissions.  

There are glaring discrepancies in these submitted records. For example, “David Cordonnier Faucher” is the name given for David Faucher, Shoemaker. The most common error is that people have entered his occupation Cordonnier, the French word for Cordwainer or Shoemaker, as his middle name. The Colonial Fanchers, Catherine, William, David, Hannah, Richard, John have been added as children of David Faucher and Marthe Des Fontaines in erroneous and undocumented submissions. 

Catherine Fancher has been entered in the same Ancestral File record twice with two slightly different birth dates and as being born in London on one and Plymouth, Connecticut on the other.  David is shown twice and being born in two different places. Ester Faucher, baptized August 2, 1702 as shown in the original Threadneedle Street church record, is not included in the Ancestral File.
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Yet, many people mistakenly use these LDS submitted records as a reliable source of information for establishing their lineages. This erroneous LDS information had been unchallenged, and rarely questioned, by users. 

Unfortunately, it has been in use for so long that it has taken on a life of its own, and has mistakenly become a “fact” in some Fancher family lineages. People create their Fancher family trees from the LDS information, never realize the serious error they have made, and then perpetuate these inaccuracies. 

International Genealogical Index (IGI)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS)
www.familysearch.org

The following LDS Ancestral Files, Pedigree Resource Files, and Individual IGI records contain numerous errors. This information below has not been altered from the way it actually appears in the LDS databases. But for clarification of these errors, in the bottom left-hand margin of each entry, we have used a numerical endnote in parenthesis to further explain the individual errors in these records.

IGI  – Ancestral File

“Ancestral File is a collection of genealogical information taken from Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records submitted to the Family History Department since 1978.  The information has not been verified against any official records.  Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy. “ 

Husband’s Name
     David Cordonnier FAUCHER (AFN:J7Z9-X3)

Born: 

Abt 1680

Place: 

<Stepney St, London, London, England>

(1)

Married: 

 

Place: 

 


Wife’s Name

Marthe DESFONTAINES (AFN:J7Z9-Z8)

 

Born: 

Abt 1684

Place: 

<Stepney St, London, London, England>

(2)

Married: 

 

Place: 

  


Children


1. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Catherine FANCHER (AFN:J7ZB-6F)

 

Born

Abt 1699

Place

<London, London, , Eng>

(3)

Died

9 Jan 1743

Place

Plymouth, , Connecticut  


2. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

William FANCHER (AFN:J7ZB-VV)

 

Born: 

Abt 1700

Place: 

<London, London, , Eng>  

(4)

Died: 

20 Aug 1759

Place: 

Woodbury, , Connecticut  


3

  

Sex   Name

 

F

Cathrine FANCHER (AFN:1995-ZR1)

Born

Abt 1700

Place

<Plymouth, , Connecticut>

(5)

Died

9 Jan 1743/1744

Place

Plymouth, , Connecticut

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4. 

Sex 

 Name

 

M

David FANCHER (AFN:1995-ZVM)

 

(6)

Born

Abt. 1709

Place

<Poundridge, , New York>   


5. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Hannah FANCHER (AFN:1995-ZTF)

(7)

Born: 

Abt 1710

Place

<Woodbury, , Connecticut>

 


6. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

David FANCHER (AFN:J7ZD-SS)

Born

1709

Place: 

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

(8)

Died: 

 

Place

Waterbury, Ct  

 


 

7. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Hannah FANCHER (AFN:J7ZC-QB)

Born

1703

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

(9)

Died: 

Aft 1739

Place: 

   


8. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

Richard FANCHER (AFN:J7ZC-ZJ)

Born

1705

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

Died

1761/1764

Place

Roxbury Township, Morris, New Jersey

(10)

Buried

12 Nov 1764

Place: 

  

 


9. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Marthe FAUCHER (AFN:NKM7-QK)

Born: 

30 May 1701

Place: 

London, London, , Eng


10. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

Deacon John FANCHER (AFN:GW6X-KQ)

Born

26 Jun 1707

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

Christened

26 Jun 1707

Place

Monmouth St. Chu, Stepney, Middy, Eng.   

Died

4 Feb 1779

Place

Poundridge, Westchester, New York

(11)

Buried

Seenotes

Place

Stamford, Poundridge Cem., Ct  .

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Husband’s Name

     David Cordonnier FAUCHER (AFN:J7Z9-X3)

Born: 

Abt 1680

Place: 

<Stepney St, London, London, England>

(1)

Married: 

 

Place: 

 


Wife’s Name

Marthe DESFONTAINES (AFN:J7Z9-Z8)

Born: 

Abt 1684

Place: 

<Stepney St, London, London, England>

(2)

Married: 

 

Place: 

 

 


Children


1. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Catherine FANCHER (AFN:J7ZB-6F)

 

Born

Abt 1699

Place

<London, London, , Eng>

(3)

Died

9 Jan 1743

Place

Plymouth, , Connecticut

 


2. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

William FANCHER (AFN:J7ZB-VV)

Born: 

Abt 1700

Place: 

<London, London, , Eng>  

(4)

Died: 

20 Aug 1759

Place: 

Woodbury, , Connecticut


3

 

 

Sex Name

 

F

Cathrine FANCHER(AFN:1995-ZR1)

 

Born

Abt 1700

Place

<Plymouth, , Connecticut>

(5)

Died

9 Jan 1743/1744

Place

Plymouth, , Connecticut


4. 

Sex 

 Name

 

M

David FANCHER (AFN:1995-ZVM)

 

 

(6)

Born

Abt. 1709

Place

<Poundridge, , New York>  

 


5. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Hannah FANCHER (AFN:1995-ZTF)

(7)

Born: 

Abt 1710

Place

<Woodbury, , Connecticut>  

 


6. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

David FANCHER (AFN:J7ZD-SS)

Born

1709

Place: 

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

(8)

Died: 

 

Place

Waterbury, Ct  

 


 

7. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Hannah FANCHER (AFN:J7ZC-QB)

 

Born

1703

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

(9)

Died: 

Aft 1739

Place: 

  

 


8. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

Richard FANCHER (AFN:J7ZC-ZJ)

 

Born

1705

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

Died

1761/1764

Place

Roxbury Township, Morris, New Jersey

(10)

Buried

12 Nov 1764

Place: 

  

 


9. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Marthe FAUCHER (AFN:NKM7-QK)

 

Born: 

30 May 1701

Place: 

London, London, , Eng


10. 

Sex 

Name

 

M

Deacon John FANCHER (AFN:GW6X-KQ)

Born

26 Jun 1707

Place

Stepney St, London, London, Eng

Christened

26 Jun 1707

Place

Monmouth St. Chu, Stepney, Middy, Eng.   

Died

4 Feb 1779

Place

Poundridge, Westchester, New York

(11)

Buried

Seenotes

Place

Stamford, Poundridge Cem., Ct

.

 


11. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Elizabeth FANCHER (AFN:NKM7-PD)

 

(12)

Born

29 Jun 1699

Place

London, London, , Eng  

 


12. 

Sex 

Name

 

F

Suzanne FOUCHEE (AFN:NKM7-RQ)

 

 

Born: 

29 Jul 1705

Place: 

London, London, , Eng

 

 

 

(13)

 

Submitter(s): See LDS website for the listing of people who submitted this information. Microfilm: None

 

_______________________________________________________________________

IGI – Individual Record

 DAVID CORDONNIER FAUCHER

 

 

Male                                               


 

 


Event(s):

Birth: 

About 1673  

Of, Plymouth, Litchfield, Connecticut

Christening: 

 

 

Death: 

 

 

Burial: 
(14)

 

 


Marriages:

 

Spouse: 

Unavailable

 


Messages:

Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter’s name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.


Source Information:

Batch Number: 

6020718

 

 

Sheet: 

05

 

 

Source Call No.: 

1621565  

Type: 

Film

Computer output microfilm of names submitted for temple work on computer diskette. 

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 IGI – Individual Record

David Faucher                                              

 


Event(s):

Birth: 

About 1739  

Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut

Christening: 

 

 

Death: 

 

 

Burial:

 

 

                                                    
  
(15)                                               

Messages:

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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IGI – Individual Record

 

David Faucher

 

 Male

 

 

 


Event(s):

Birth:              Abt 1670,, France

 

 

Christening: 

 

 

Death: 

 

 

Burial: 
(16)                                          .



 


Messages:

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


Source Information:

   No source information is available.


IGI – Pedigree Resource File

David Cordonnier Fancher (Faucher)

    Compact Disc #25     Pin #96377

 

Sex: M
(17), (18)

 

 


Event(s):

Birth:  abt 1673

Place: 

 

 

 


Parents:


Marriage(s):

Spouse: 

Marthe Desfontaines     Disc #25     Pin #96378

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage: 

Place: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Notes and Sources:

 

 

Notes: 

None

 

 

 

Sources:

 

None

 

 

 


 

Submitter:

 

See LDS website for the person who submitted this information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Submission Search: 

1133756-0219101123846

URL: 

 

CD-ROM: 

Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #25

 

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 IGI – Pedigree Resource File 

Richard Fancher                                   Compact Disc #24     Pin #310402    (AFN: J7ZC-ZJ)

    

 

 

 

Sex: M
(19)

 

 


Event(s):

Birth:  1705

Place: 

Stepney St,London,London,Eng

 

 

Death:  1761/64

Place

Roxbury Township,Morris,New Jersey

 

 

Burial:  12 Nov 1764

Place


 

 


Parents:

Father

David Cordonnier Faucher     Disc #24     Pin #310676

 

 

 

 

 

Mother

Marthe Desfontaines     Disc #24     Pin #310677
.

 

 

 

 

 


Marriage(s):

Spouse

Martha      Disc #24     Pin #310403

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage:  abt 1730

Place: 

of New Canaan,Fairfield,Connecticut

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Notes and Sources:

 

 

Notes: 

None

 

 

 

Sources:

 

Available on CD-ROM Disc# 24

 

 

 


Submitter:

 

See LDS website for the person who submitted this information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Submission Search: 

1168878-0121101212844

URL: 

 

CD-ROM: 

Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #24

1  

Cordonnier is not David Faucher’s middle name, it is his occupation, the French word for cordwainer. There is no evidence that David Faucher was born in Stepney Street, London, London (England), his date and place of birth are unknown. 

2

 

Marthe desFontaines date and place of birth are unknown. There is no evidence that she was born in Stepney Street, London, London (England)
3

 

Catherine Fancher is not a Faucher, she is not the daughter of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. Her baptismal record does not appear in Threadneedle Street Church.
4

 

William Fancher is not a Faucher, he is not the son of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. His baptismal record does not appear in Threadneedle Street Church.
5

 

A duplication of information within the same Ancestral File, that varies from the first entry, and gives another place of birth for Catherine Fancher (see endnote (3) above.) Catherine was not born in Plymouth CT.
6

 

David Fancher is not a Faucher, he is not the son of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. His baptismal record does not appear in Threadneedle Street Church. He was not born in Poundridge NY, and did not ever live there.
7

 

Hannah Fancher is not a Faucher, she is not the daughter of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. Her baptismal record does not appear in Threadneedle Street Church. She was not born in Woodbury CT, and did not ever live there.
8

 

Duplication of entry within the same Ancestral File (see endnote (6) above), giving different information. David Fancher was not born in Stepney St., London.
9

 

Duplication of information in the same Ancestral File (see endnote (7) above.

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10

 

Richard Fancher is not a Faucher, he is not the son of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. There is no baptismal record in Threadneedle Street Church. His date and place of burial is unknown.
11

 

John Fancher is not a Faucher, he is not the son of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. John Fancher is not the same person as Jean Faucher in the Threadneedle St. Church records. John Fancher’s grave is in the Pound Ridge Cemetery in Pound Ridge, Westchester Co., New York, not Stamford, Connecticut
12

 

Elizabeth Faucher is not a Fancher. There was no Colonial Elizabeth Fancher
13

 

This Ancestral File does not contain David Faucher’s daughter Ester, baptized 2 August 1702, in the Threadneedle Street Church.
14

 

David Faucher’s middle name was not Cordonnier. The French word  “cordonnier” was his occupation –  cordwainer.  There are 15 records which erroneously list his middle name as Cordonnier in various records submitted to the LDS.
15

 

David Faucher was never in the American colonies, and there is no evidence he was in Plymouth CT.
16

 

This entry is for David Fancher, who was not a Faucher. David Fancher was never in Stamford CT.
17

 

The birthplace and birth year of David Faucher (not  the same person as David Fancher) are unknown.
18

 

Cordonnier is not David Faucher’s middle name, he is not the same person as David Fancher.
19

 

Richard Fancher is not a Faucher, he is not the son of David Faucher and Marthe Desfontaines. There is no baptismal
record in Threadneedle Street Church.
His date of burial is unknown. This date is the date his will was proved. There is no
record to indicate Richard Fancher married his wife Martha in Canaan Parish, and there is no record of the
date of their marriage.

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