Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:26:20 -0400 To: "LouisianaGenealogy Blogs" , TheShipsList@rootsweb.com From: "Marj Kohli" Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: [TSL] Ancestry Look up?: Four posted ship Roger May 1854 Rotterdam, Liverpool, New York The NY Times of Oct 15, 1854 lists the arrival of the Roger Stewart: Ship Roger Stewart (New Brunswick, Me.,) Skofield, Liverpool 36 ds., with mdse. and 303 passengers to master. 20th Sept. lat. 50 53 lon 20 experienced a heavy gate from S. W. to N.W. Same time, John Howard, a seaman, belonging to Prince Edwards Island, fell from the maintopsail yard on deck and was killed. Cannot find another mention of a Roger for that year. Regards.. Marj At 12:25 AM 4/4/2008, LouisianaGenealogy Blogs wrote: >Searching for a four posted ship named Roger with passengers from >Germany/Prussia enroute to Rotterdam, Liverpool, and New York May 1854. > > >From source: NARA File Unit: Manifest Header Data File, 1834 - ca. > 1900 in the Series: Data Files Relating to the Immigration of > Germans to the United States, created ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting > the period 1850 - 1897. - Collection CIR > >Ship Roger Stewart arrived 10/15/1854 and no others for that year >from Liverpool. This could be a transcription error where month and >date are transversed? And likely should be 05/10/1854? > >Also from URL: From: >http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/com-sa.htm September 25, >2007. Captain's log of St. Denis "March 4, lat 49 53, lon 16 35, >exchanged signals with ship J. ROGERS" > >Can anyone shed any light on the matter with a look up on Ancestry >Passenger list Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, NY, >1820-1897; National Archives Microifilm Publication M237; 675 >rolls: # 0175494 M237-138 Apr. 22--May 15, 1854. > >Or just shed light on information? Thank you. Internet Archive Wayback Machine St. Denis (ship) ST. DENIS (1848) "Packet St Denis, Capn Alonzo Follansbee". Watercolor. 40,6 x 57,8 cm. Signed, l.r., "Frédéric Roux, 1852". Peabody Essex Museum, Salem, Massachusetts, M8796. Bequest of Horance Follansbee, 1955. Source: Philip Chadwick Foster Smith, The Artful Roux, Marine Painters of Marseille; Including a catalogue of the Roux family paintings at the Peabody Museum of Salem (Salem, Massachusetts: Peabody Museum, 1978), p. 50, no. 93. To request a larger copy of this scan, click on the picture. The U.S. ship ST DENIS was built at New York by Jacob A. Westervelt & William Mackey, and launched in 1848. 959 tons; 161 feet 4 inches x 36 feet 1 inch x 21 feet 2 inches (length x beam x depth of hold). She spent her entire career of 8 years sailing in the Second Line of packets between New York and Le Havre. During this period, her westbound passages averaged 35 days, her fastest being 25 days, her longest 52 days. On 6 January 1856, 2 days out of New York for Le Havre, she foundered 180 miles east of Sandy Hook, Capt. Follansbee and 34 passengers and crew losing their lives; both mates and 9 seamen escaped in a boat Sources: Robert Greenhalgh Albion, Square-riggers on Schedule; The New York Sailing Packets to England, France, and the Cotton Ports (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1938), pp. 226, and 286-287; Carl C. Cutler, Queens of the Western Ocean; The Story of America's mail and Passenger Sailing Lines (Annapolis: United States Naval Institute, c1961), p. 351. Voyages: 1. According to the New York Tribune, the ship ST DENIS, [Alonzo] Follansbee, master, arrived at New York on 6 April 1854, from Le Havre 24 February, with merchandise and 526 passengers, to Boyd & Hincken; microfilm copy of passenger manifest, dated 7 April 1854, National Archives Microfilm Publication M237, roll 137, list #263 for 1854. The St. D has had calms and head winds the entire passage. March 4, lat 49 53, lon 16 35, exchanged signals with ship J. ROGERS, bound W. March 11, lat 48, lon 38, had a very severe hurricane from N.N.E., which lasted 12 hours, with a very heavy sea, attended with snow and rain; carried away fore and main-topsail sheets, split fore-topsail and fore-topmast staysail; ship lying to under bare poles. March 15, heavy gales from N.W., with snow and a very heavy sea; was 3 days without a fore-topsail. No date, lat 45, 40, lon 46 to lat 44, lon 50, saw large quantities of ice. March 20, lat 44, lon 49, encountered large quantities of ice, which carried away lower part of cut-water; was 11 days between the lon of 50 and 60. April 2, saw a large steamer steering W. Took a pilot from boat Mary Taylor on 5th inst[ant]. New Info: April 27, 2008 GenHaven Chat Room http://www.buzzen.net/chatui.aspx?rm=%25%23GenHaven%5CbFamily%5CbChatroom&guestnick=lagenealogy Chatroom board manager searching Ancestry.com for Ship Roger, passengers Franz Zenner, wife Maria & son Johann & mother in law Maria Strauch/Stab May 1854 Rotterdam, Liverpool, New York. I have Census info and verification (?1880) Census image downloaded indicating Maria Strauch living with Franz in New York, Erie county. File URL: === peacefield : ok, checking... peacefield : No wonder you are stuck! Guest_lagenealogy : how? peacefield : Ancestry has a Franz listed as arriving in 1853, but not much more detail that than. peacefield : than that, rather. peacefield : The source is a book by JH Kell and Josef Werner. Guest_lagenealogy : 1853 or 1854 fits peacefield : Do you know German? It says- "Die Auswanderungen aus dem Kreise Merzig im 19. Jahrhundert." In Verein fuer Heimatkunde im Kreise Merzig, 3. Jahrbuch [1934], pp. 9-54. peacefield : Pg 49 Google Translator: "The emigration from the circles in the 19th Merzig Century. "Association of National History in circles Merzig, 3 Yearbook peacefield@gmail.com Marsha S. GenHaven Ancestry source: 'Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Name: Franz Zenner; Year: 1853; Place: America; Source Publication Code: 3788; Source Bibliography: KELL, J.H., and JOSEF WERNER. "Die Auswanderungen aus dem Kreise Merzig im 19. Jahrhundert." In Verein fuer Heimatkunde im Kreise Merzig, 3. 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