IRISH STRONG DATABASE: Tulliniskey Lineages

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The Ireland Database: Tulliniskey Lineages & The County Down Puzzle.

This webpage represents an attempt to Hypothesize a solution to various questions which might be characterized as the County Down Puzzle. It is composed of two parts; the first is a compilation of records of Strongs from several Irish counties found in the Irish Strong Database. The various Strong/Stronge/Strang sub-lineages included here are: Tulliniskey, Tullyglush, Blue Mountain, Vermont, South Carolina, & Magheradroll.

This Tulliniskey webpage is quite speculative in several regards. Unfortunately, in order to pull likely records together for the Tulliniskey page, I have to use the cross-reference field as the "unifying factor"... eg, by tagging a record "Tulliniskey" I can then query the database to gather all the possible records into a query-file, which can then be used to generate the HTML data on the Tulliniskey webpage. That has the related effect of tagging them the same way in the Counties Antrim, Armagh and Down, etc., database webpages as well. Caution should be used in evaluating the records based on the way they appear in the cross-reference field. I am trying to use the "?" after the lineage tags to show whether the record is in fact tied to the lineage or not... the "?" being used where it is purely speculation. Thus, in a particular record we might find "Tulliniskey - Blue Mountains ?" What I am trying to show is that we know there is some link to the Tulliniskey lineage, AND that there is a speculative link to the Blue Mountain lineage.

The second part consists of a "working discussion" between various researchers concerning the data. See further notes and following the data below:
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


Data Fields shown are:
County, Date, Record#, Name, Event, Age, Source, Cross-References
There are 215 records in this version of the database.


Tulliniskey
County Date Number Name Event Age Source Name Cross References
Ayr, Scotland 1610~1680 3712 Cuthbert Strong Hypothesis
DBS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Down 1630 2069 Cuthbert Strong Muster 0 LDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Lanark, Scotland 1656Jan10 3713 Robert Strang baptism
JRM Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Ayr, Scotland 1658Jul29 3715 Mathew Strang baptism
JRM Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Lanark, Scotland 1658Oct3 3714 John Strang baptism
JRM Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Ayr, Scotland 1661Feb3 3716 Mathew Strang baptism
JRM Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Antrim 1669 2803 Cutbert Strong Hearth$Rol 0 H&H Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ?
Down 1704Jan31 1966 Matthew Strang father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1704Jan31 1924 Janet Strang Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1706Aug18 1932 Mary Strang Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1706Aug18 1970 Robert Strang father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1707Sep05 1969 Samuel Strang father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1707Sep05 1929 Margaret Strang Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1709Apr10 1680 Robert Strong father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1709Apr10 105 Margaret Strong Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1712Jan11 1581 John Strong father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1712Jan11 96 Janet Strong Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1715Jan04 98 Jean Strong Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1715Sep15 126 Robert Strong Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1715Sept15 1681 Matthew Strong father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1718Dec28 62 Ann Strong Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1718Dec28 1682 Samuel Strong father 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1720? 2882 John Strong birth
PCI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1720? 2881 Christopher Strong father
PCI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1721Apr13 97 Janet Strong Marriage 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1730 195 Samuell Strong Will 0 IRW Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1730 471 Samuell Strong Will 0 IRW Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1744-1760? 3681 John Strong married
GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3683 John Strong father
GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3685 David Strong birth 0 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3686 Grace Strong birth 0 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3687 Grace Strong death 0 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3688 David Strong death 0 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744-60~ 3682 John Strong father
GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744~ 3680 John Strong ordained 24 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744Oct10 2894 John Strong Ordained
PCI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1744Oct10 2880 John Strong ordination
PCI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1750 2496 John Strong father 0 DM Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Armagh 1750-1775 3575 William Strong birth
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1750-86? 2497 John Strong official 0 DM Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1750~ 2494 Margaret Strong Birth 0 DM Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1750~ 3689 Margaret Strong birth 0 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1751 3635 John Strong religious
Internet Website Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1761 196 Robert Strong Will 0 IRW Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1761 898 Robert Strong will 0 IRW Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1770? 2495 Margaret Strong Marriage 0 DM Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1780Aug10 3679 John Strong death 60 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1780Aug10 2893 John Strong Death 60 PCI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1781 469 John Strong Will 0 IRW Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1781 193 John Strong Will 0 IRW Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1792Jan09 108 Margaret Strong Marriage 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Armagh 1795~ 3701 William Strong marriage
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1796~ 3649 Robert Strong birth
GSI Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Armagh 1797May7 3598 Samuel Strong birth 0 HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1800 2740 James Stronge birth 0 GSI Tulliniskey
Armagh 1800? 3599 Richard Strong birth
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1800~ 3624 John Strong father
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Armagh 1800~ 3700 John Strong birth
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1810Aug10 3684 Anne Whyte Strong death 86 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Armagh 1821~1836 3698 Margaret Strong emigrant
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Armagh 1821~1836 3697 Samuel Strong emigrant
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Armagh 1821~1836 3699 William Strong emigrant?
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Armagh 1821~1836 3696 John Strong emigrant
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Armagh 1821~1836 3695 Richard Strong emigrant
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Armagh 1822 3702 Samuel Strong marriage ?
HPS Tulliniskey ? - Vermont
Down 1822 2599 James Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1825-ff 3627 Blue Mountain Strong Lineage
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1825< 3625 John Strong death
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1825May13 3623 Robert Strong marriage
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1825May13 3622 Robert Strong Marriage 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1825May13 127 Robert Strong Marriage 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1825May13 3626 Jane Strong witness*
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1830 2738 Eliza Stronge birth 0 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1831 3185 Robert Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1832 2603 Sarah Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1833 2739 Mary Ann Stronge birth 0 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1834 3651 Knocknagoney Strong placename
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1834 2237 Strong HHI 0 LDS Tulliniskey
Down 1836 2744 Henry Strong birth 0 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1836May18 2493 Margaret Strong Death 86 DM Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1836May19 3690 Margaret Strong death 86 GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?
Down 1841Mar19 2919 James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1841Mar19 2918 William James Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1850? 2922 Samuel English Stronge birth 0 QUB Tulliniskey
Down 1851Jun24 3186 Robert Strong marriage 20 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1851Jun24 3434 Robert Strong Marriage
BMD Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1852May21 3188 Agnes Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1854Sep23 3189 Jane Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1855 2598 Robert Henry Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1855Mar24 2745 Robert Strong death 59 GSI Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1857 2604 William James Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1857JAN3 3190 Robert Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1859APR24 3191 David Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1860Dec31 2736 Mary Ann Stronge death 30 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1861MAR26 3187 Jane Robinson Strong death
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1861Nov12 3193 Robert Strong death
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1861Nov22 3192 David Strong death
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1862 2601 Thomas Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1862Apr26 3194 Robert Strong marriage 31 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1863Feb17 3195 Robert James Strong birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1864 2238 Strong HHI 0 LDS Tulliniskey
Down 1864 3657 James Strong Griffith's
Griffiths Tulliniskey
Down 1864 2600 David Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1864May21 3196 Hamilton Strong birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1865 2605 Mary Hanna Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1865Sep22 1719 James Strong father 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1865Sep22 360 Mary Anne Strong Birth 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1866May20 3197 Sarah Ann Strong birth
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Cavan 1867-1879 3646 William James Stronge ordained
GS Tulliniskey
Down 1867Nov22 2737 Eliza Stronge death 34 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1868Jun19 3203 Sarah Ann Strong death 2 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1868June21 3198 Joseph Strong birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1870 2602 John Stronge Birth 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1870-1961 2606 Stronge Deaths 0 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1870AUG4 3199 David Strong birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1870Feb06 1678 Susan Simpson Stronge mother 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1870Feb06 1677 Henry Stronge father 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1870Feb06 129 Robert Stronge Birth 0 IGI Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1870Sep17 2589 James Stronge Death 48 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1871May30 110 Margaret Stronge Christ'ng 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1872 2921 Samuel English Stronge graduation
QUB Tulliniskey
Down 1872DEC4 3200 Mary Strong birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Cavan 1872Jul2 2920 William James Stronge marriage
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1872Sep09 2746 Hannah Strong death 72 GSI Tulliniskey
Cavan 1874 2447 Robert Stronge birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1874-1908 2886 Samuel English Stronge Directory
TDD Tulliniskey
Down 1874Dec14 3361 Mary Strong emigrant 2 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3362 Margaret Strong emigrant 24 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3359 Joseph Strong emigrant 7 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3358 Robert James Strong emigrant 13 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3357 Jane Strong emigrant 34 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3356 Robert Strong emigrant 44 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3360 David Strong emigrant 5 AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Dec14 3354 Mary/Margaret Strong emigrant
AMC & PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874May19 3628 Agnes Strong Marriage 21 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1874Nov22 3204 Robert Strong residence
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1875Feb4 3201 William Aberdare Strong sea birth 0 PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Clare 1875Jan3 3647 Hubert Moorhead Stronge birth twin
GS Tulliniskey
Clare 1875Jan3 2923 Herbert Cecil Stronge birth twin 0 WHO Tulliniskey
Cavan 1875Jun11 2917 Mary Anne Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Cavan 1875Jun11 2916 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1875Mar16 3205 Robert Strong emigration
PDS Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains
Down 1875May10 2735 Sarah Stronge death 72 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1875May19 135 Susan Stronge Birth 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Cavan 1876Aug10 2914 Florence Augusta Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Cavan 1876Aug10 2915 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Cavan 1878Dec13 2913 Emily Euphemia Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Cavan 1878Dec13 2912 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1878Jan16 77 Elizabeth Jane Stronge Birth 0 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1879Jan08 2734 James Stronge death 79 GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1879May21 2741 James Stronge probate 79 IGI & GSI Tulliniskey
New Zealand 1881Feb17 3202 John Taylor Strong birth 0 PDS Blue Mountains
Antrim 1881Jan12 2911 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Antrim 1881Jan12 2910 Alexander Berry Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1881Jan12 2909 Alexander Berry Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1882Jun23 2742 Henry Strong probate 46 IGI Tulliniskey
Down 1882May25 2743 Henry Strong death 46 GSI Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1883Mar4 2908 Wilhemina Gert. Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1883Mar4 2907 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1885Aug31 2905 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1885Aug31 2906 Thomas Rankin Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1886 2691 J. Strong directory 0 UHF Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ?
Londonderry 1887Oct4 2904 Samuel James Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1887Oct4 2903 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1888Nov22 2590 David Stronge Death 24 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1890Feb1 2901 Helen Francis Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1890Feb1 2902 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1892Feb12 2899 Margaret McNeary Stronge Birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1892Feb12 2900 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Down 1893Jan19 2591 Thomas Stronge Death 31 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1894May16 2897 Albert Crawford Stronge birth 0 PHS Tulliniskey
Londonderry 1894May16 2898 William James Stronge father
PHS Tulliniskey
Dublin 1897 2962 Herbert Cecil Stronge Graduate
TCD Tulliniskey
Cavan 1900? 2449 Isabella Strange marriage 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1901Oct25 2592 John Stronge Death 30 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Dublin 1902 2961 Cyril Clare Stronge Graduate
TCD Tulliniskey
Down 1904Oct6 2888 Albert E.S.* Stronge birth 0 PCI Tulliniskey
Down 1905Aug16 2593 Sarah Stronge Death 73 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Cavan 1906? 2450 Richard Stronge birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Cavan 1908 2452 Dora Stronge Birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1910 3648 William James Stronge death
GS Tulliniskey
Cavan 1910? 2443 John Stafford C* Stronge Birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Cavan 1912? 2453 Mildred Stronge Birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Dublin 1929 2451 Richard Stronge Death 20 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1932Jan01 2595 Martha Stronge Death 70 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Down 1934Mar13 2597 Robert Henry Stronge Death 79 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Cavan 1943 2454 Mildred Stronge Marriage 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Cavan 1944 2459 Joan Healy Stronge Marriage 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Cavan 1944 2444 John Stafford C* Stronge Marriage 34 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1945Sep09 2594 William James Stronge Death 88 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Kildare 1947 2457 Wendy Stronge Birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Kildare 1949 2455 Elizabeth Stronge Birth 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Cavan 1954 2448 Robert Stronge Death 82 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1961Dec10 2596 Mary Hanna Stronge Death 96 UHF & GSI Tulliniskey
Kildare 1965 2456 Elizabeth Stronge Death 16 JS Tulliniskey ?
Kildare 1970 2458 Wendy Stronge Marriage 0 JS Tulliniskey ?
Down 1980 1193 J. E. Strong phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Kildare 1980 2442 John Stafford C* Stronge directory 0 CID Tulliniskey
Down 1980 1228 K. Stronge phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey
Dublin 1980 1269 J.S.C. Stronge phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey
Sligo 1980 1292 A.E.S. Stronge phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey
Monaghan 1980 1293 Cecil J. Stronge phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey
Dublin 1980 2083 John S.* Cecil Stronge official 0 CID Tulliniskey
Down 1980 1192 J. E. Strong phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1980 1187 G.W. Strong phone 0 TEL Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ?
Down 1982May10 2887 Albert E.S.* Stronge death 78 PCI Tulliniskey
Kildare 1986Nov 2445 John Stafford C* Stronge Death 76 JS Tulliniskey
Antrim 1989 2304 Ralph Stronge Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush
Down 1989 2334 D. Strange Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ?
Kildare 1989 2341 J.S.C. Stronge Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey
Cavan 1989 2352 Raymond Cecil Stronge Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey
Down 1989 2298 M.J. Strange Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ?
Monaghan 1989 2346 Cecil J. Stronge Phone 0 CDH Tulliniskey
Kildare 1990Jul22 2446 Joan Healy Stronge letter 0 JS Tulliniskey
Down 2001 3650 Strong research
GSI Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ?

Go to:
IDB County Down.
IDB County Antrim.
IDB County Armagh.

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Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland and of "The County Down Puzzle":
What follows involves an attempt to hypothesize certain relationships seen in the above data and other historical information into a coherent picture of the inter-relationships between various sub-lineages found in the data. The discussion of such a hypothesis started from the following message:
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne
To: Gord Stronge (Vancouver, BC, re Co.Down) ; Philip D & Lyn E Strong (Aust., re Strong of Ulster)
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:45 PM
Subject: The Down Puzzle-- An attempt to sort it out
(with certain modifications and revisions as of Friday, November 09, 2001 - 3:47:15 PM), and
(with further modifications, revisions, and additions as of Monday, November 12, 2001 - 3:56:38 AM), and
(with further modifications, revisions, and additions as of Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 10:30:55 PM), and
(with further modifications, revisions, and additions as of Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 10:29:45 PM).

Gord and Philip... and whoever else may be interested: Please let me know your reaction to this discussion:

This is an attempt at hypothesizing a solution to the various Strong/Stronge/Strang lineages of County Down. You may be disadvantaged in reviewing this hypothesis, in that the on-line version does not include all of the facts to which I allude below. However, I beg your indulgence, and will strive to verify any facts you may wish to question insofar as possible from the off-line version of the database held by me.

First: To state the obvious, I believe that Strong/Stronge/Strang are all variants of the same name, and that it is a mistake to look ONLY at one spelling of the name. The surname spelling of the same individual may appear two or three different ways in the records. It is more important to look at the TOWNLAND of origin of the individuals in question to determine whether they are identifiable as the same person.

Second: It seems rather clear that the Down lineages originate in Scotland... as almost all of them are identifiable at some point with the Presbyterian Church.

Third: While it is impossible to know whether we have squeezed dry all of the possible sources of records of individuals tied to County Down, we seem to have enough to form some idea where they lived and who their various descendant members were. It MAY be possible to establish that ALL of the various Down Strong/Stronge/Strang families were related.

Take a look at the above Tulliniskey Lineages excerpts from the Irish Strong Database:

Note the earliest record #2069, is of a Cuthbert Strang, mustered in 1630 as a man at arms in the service of Lord Cromwell. This is NOT Oliver Cromwell, but may be an uncle of his. Further, while more research needs to be done on this point, I suspect Lord Cromwell was English, and from the area of Lincolnshire. IF Cuthbert Strang is accepted as Scottish... then it must be that Lord Cromwell had an estate agent who hired Scots as part of the "planting" of his estate. The question then arises, "Is there any relationship between the Cuthbert Strong of record #2069 in County Down and the Cutbert Strong of record #2803 in County Antrim?" We can speculate that they are the same person, based upon a) similariy of given name; b) placement in time sequence and place... and for the latter, see further discussion below.

If Cuthbert Strang was Scottish, do we have any insights as to his place of origin? John R. Mayer mentions a Cuthbert Strang of High Church, born circa 1637 (but see below). See Strange of Balcaskie, p.112. Mayer also notes the existence of "records from Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, which seemingly pertain to the same man, namely Cudbert Strang". Here, Mayer cites the IGI thusly: IGI 1988/5: C119187.0979; C119187.2653; C115972.1899; and C115972.2198, respectively, for each of the following four baptisms. Obviously, more research in the actual parish records is needed. However, for now, Mayer is the best reference we have.

John R. Mayer goes on to list four possible sons of Cuthbert Strang:
1. Robert Strang, baptised 1656/1/10, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Strang, in High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, on Thursday 1656/1/10.
2. John Strang, baptised 1658/10/3, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Strang, in High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, on Sunday 1658/10/3.
Note, the next two putative sons of Cuthbert Strang were baptised in Kilmarnock, and the first was baptised BEFORE #2, John Strong, above:
3. Mathew Strang, baptised 1658/7/29, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Johnstoun, at Kilmarnock, Ayr, on Thursday 1658/7/29.
4. Mathew Strang, baptised 1661/2/3, son of Cuthbert Strang and Jonet Johnstoun, at Kilmarnock, Ayr, on Sunday1661/2/3.

It seems obvious Cuthbert Strang was either a busy man and got around considerably, or perhaps his first wife was Margaret Johnstoun Strang, and they baptised the first Matthew Strang at Kilmarnock for some reason of poor health of the child, or perhaps John was baptised late for some reason. The first Matthew may have died, as well as Margaret Johnstoun, and after remarrying "Jonet" Johnstoun, they had a child named Matthew to replace the lost first Matthew. Or MAYBE we have two different Scottish Cuthbert Strangs! There is simply too little information to be definitive about this at this point.

For our purposes, it is only possible to speculate whether the Scottish Cuthbert Strang's of High Church in Glasgow, and/or Kilmarnock, Ayr, are the same man as he who was mustered in 1630 in Lord Cromwell's County Down estate? Or do we merely have a possible indicator that somehow the County Down Cuthbert Strang may have originated in Kilmarnock, Ayr, or in Glasgow, Lanarkshire? Note for one thing, the County Down record is from 1630, which is 7 years before the date Mayer speculates the Scottish individual was born, 1637. But, is this realistic? Mayer makes the man (indeed Mayer purely speculates!), Cuthbert Strang, about 20 when he starts fathering children. Granted, life was short, hard, and fast in the 17th century... but it is entirely possible that the Scottish Cuthbert Strang was 20 when mustered in County Down, and only about 45 when the children start to be christened... and this latter senario is in some respects more realistic. A young man needs means to support a family, something not always available in the 17th century. It seems more likely he "went adventuring" in Ireland before coming home to set up with a wife and family... and thereafter may have returned to Counties Antrim and Down, as we shall see below. Before that, however, it is worth noting that the name "Cuthbert" is very uncommon in the records in our area of study. The mention in "Strange of Balcaskie" is singular in a book of over 500 pages; and, the Counties Antrim and Down Cuthbert Strang/Strong are the only ones found in all of my records of Irish Strongs.

Turn now to the next few records, relating to christenings which took place in Drumbo Presbyterian church in the years ranging from 1704 to 1718. Observe the identities of the FATHERS named for the several children: Matthew Strang, Robert Strang/Strong, Samuel Strang/Strong, and John Strong. The question arises whether these are the offspring of Cuthbert Strang and his wife Margaret, late of High Church and Kilmarnock, Scotland? Given the baptismal dates for Cuthbert's children above, it IS possible. And, the names of the children being christened in Drumbo are familiar as well.... Margaret, Janet, Robert. The suspicion seems reinforced that we are dealing with the same lineage.

The next record of some interest may be that of the 1720 christening of John Strong (record #2882), son of Christopher Strong (record #2881), of Kilraughts, County Down. Query, WHERE is Kilraughts? It appears to be a townland in Ballyinahinch, in Magherdroll Parish. Can a tie be shown between the various Strang/Strongs of Drumbo with this Christopher Strong of Kilraughts? This MAY be important, because the name "Christopher" shows up consistently in the South Carolina Strong lineage which emigrated from County Antrim to South Carolina circa 1770. AND, there is the matter of the headstone found in Scotland. The following is quoted from my website at: "The Significance of Hamilton"

"Following the Restoration of the Monarchy, in 1661, the Corporation Act provided that, besides taking the oath of allegiance and supremacy and subscribing a declaration against the "Solemn League and Covenant" , all members of corporations were within one year after election to receive communion according to the rites of the Church of England. This act was followed by the Test Act of 1672, the immediate consequence of the king's declaration of indulgence dispensing with laws inflicting disabilities on Nonconformists. This act enforced upon all persons filling any office, civil or military, the obligation of taking the oathes of supremacy and allegiance and making a declaration against transubstantiation. 4= (Rebels#21)} Transubstantiation was or is a Roman Catholic doctrine which held that the eucharistic elements at their consecration become the body and blood of Christ while keeping only the appearances of bread and wine. 5= (Rebels#22)} "An act requiring all Presbyterian ministers appointed during the period when patronage was abolished to get presentation from their patrons and institution from their bishops was applied in the west of Scotland in such a way that 300 ministers left their manses. Their places were filled with less competent men whom the people did not wish to hear, and so conventicles began to be held, in the open air and fields, and against the rule of the law. The attempts to suppress these, the harsh measures taken against those who attended them or connived at them or refused to give information against them, the military violence and the judicial severities, the confiscations, imprisonments, tortures, expatriations, all make up a dreadful narrative. 6= (Rebels#23)}

"Indulgences issued by the king, waiving certain aspects of the Rescissory acts, were tried and were successful in bringing back about 100 ministers to their parishes, and introduced a new cause of division among the clergy. On the other hand, the Covenanting spirit rose higher and higher among the persecuted until armed risings took place and formal rebellion of a handful of desperate men began against the ruler of the three kingdoms of Scotland, England, and Ireland. 7= (Rebels#24)} There followed 25 years of brutal repression, during which the more extreme Covenanters rose three times in rebellion. Ultimately in the Sanquhar Declarations, the dissenters renounced allegiance to the king whom they viewed as a perjured tyrant (Charles II having pledged himself to the National Covenant when seeking to regain his throne during Cromwell's regime). 8= (Rebels#25)}

"The first rising came late in 1666, when the western insurgents marched upon Edinburgh. They were easily defeated at Rullion Green, in the Pentland Hills. 9= (Rebels#26)} Following their defeat, one Christopher Strang was apparently beheaded in Edinburgh, December 7,1666. 10= (Rebels#27)} Along with those of his fellow martyrs, his head was apparently sent to Lanarkshire and mounted on a pike as a warning to other covenanters. The following inscription appears on a gravestone in the churchyard of Hamilton, in Lanarkshire, Scotland, lying above the heads of John Parker, Gavin Hamilton, James Hamilton, and Christopher Strang: 11= (Rebels#28)}

"Stay, passenger, take notice what thou reads,
At Edinburgh lie our bodies, here our heads;
Our right hands stood at Lanark, these we want,
Because with them we sware the covenant.
"It was this type of repression that, together with economic poverty in 17th century Scotland that led many Scots to emigrate to Ulster. While the repression was ongoing in Scotland, there was relative freedom of worship in Ireland. Thousands of Scots from the Lowlands emigrated to Ulster throughout most of the century. Was there a relationship between these Scots refugees and the earlier settlers of the Plantation Period? "
Note, the footnotes appearing above are found at the end of the discussion in the above referenced website, "The Significance of Hamilton".
The foregoing discussion serves perhaps to explain the presence of "Cutbert Strong", record #2803, in County Antrim in 1669: Quite likely he emigrated back to County Antrim in Ulster following the events of Rullion Green above. Above, we have speculated he was about 20 in 1630; if so, he would now be about 59 years of age... still within the realm of possibility. Query whether Christopher Strang the martyr was his near relative? And, query further whether finding him thus in County Antrim about ten years after the string of baptisms in High Church, Glasgow, and/or Kilmarnock, Ayr, seems to end explains such in that he and his family moved? And, later we seem to find the family of Cuthbert Strang and his wife Margaret in County Down, at the beginning of the 18th century, perhaps having found reason to move yet again. And, it will also serve to launch, below, an amplification tying in the Covenanting Presbyterian South Carolina Strongs. The question remains, can we trace the South Carolinians back thru Cutbert Strang of County Antrim to the Strongs of Magheradroll parish, County Down, and/or on back to Scotland along with Cuthbert Strang and his family?

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Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
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The Stronges of Tulliniskey Townland and Tullyglush Townlands, County Down. Gord Stronge, of Vancouver, B.C., Canada is descended from a long line of Presbyterian ministers. He can trace them to origins in Tulliniskey Townland, County Down.

----- Original Message ----- From: Gord Stronge
To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM
Subject: (Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down) IRE>NYC,NY,USA

Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and visited old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra Co. Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her husband, the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at Garvaghy, Kinallen, Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first 3 of their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan:

1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young child.
2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961
3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947

In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister in Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made any ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there must be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and I have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be surprised to learn of Strong relations from this area.

While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. It is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. or g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. .................
Gord Stronge

We turn now to records #471 & 195... duplicates in the database coming from two different researchers of the same source materials... but both relating the fact the same man, Samuel Strong, had a will probated in 1730, and he was from Tullyglush, Lower Iveagh, County Down! This is the first instance in the database of an individual situated in Tullyglush Townland. Note that if he is the same Samuel Strang/Strong who christened a daughter, Margaret Strang (record #1929), on 1707Sep05, we may have an explanation why Philip D. Strong has been unable to find a single burial of a Strong/Strang in Drumbo Parish graveyards (see email dated Sunday, November 04, 2001) .... MOST OF THEM MOVED; possibly the entire family became centered closer to Tullyglush. And Samuel located in Tullyglush, posssibly becoming the progenitor of the entire Tullyglush/Tulliniskey part of the lineage. For now, I will leave it to Gord to provide a narrative tying those lineages together.

There are several records dating thru the 1740s and 50's.... including the ordination on 10 Oct 1744 of one John Strong (records #2880 & 2894), apparently the son of Christopher Strong of Kilraughts, as a Presbyterian Minister, possibly in the parish of Magheradroll. See record #3635, gathered at the following website: County Down Surnames of Rev. John Strong, restoring a Presbyterian church at Magheradroll in 1751 vice 1851.This Rev. John Strong dies 10 August 1780 (record #2893), and his estate is probated under will in 1781 (record #496 & 193). One of the other records relates to the birth of Margaret Strong (record #2494), daughter of John Strong in 1750, of Ballyinahinch, Magheradroll. 86 years later, we find Margaret Strong Armstrong (record #2493), widow, deceased 1836 May 18, in Magheradroll. And Surely, all of these records relate to the same lineage... but again, how is it tied to the rest of the County Down lineages? Probably, but we need a bit more research on this angle.

Back to the 18th century... two wills of some significance: 1761, Robert Strong/Stroung, of Tullyglush(records #196 & 898); and 1778, Robert Strong, Machraglenluce, Dromore (records #194 & 470). The first is obviously of the Tullyglush/Tulliniskey lineage. Is the second as well? And, here we have another two instances of the use of the given name "Robert", which repeat over and over, along with Samuel, John, and James. By now, we seem to be getting away from Matthew and Christopher; Cuthbert was left behind long ago.

At the end of the 18th century, we have the marriage of another Margaret Strong (record #108) on 9 Jan 1792, back in Drumbo Parish. And, following that, in about 1800, possibly her brother, John Strong (record #3624) , becomes the father of Robert Strong.... ancestor of Philip D. Strong, of the Blue Mountains in Australia. This leaves us with yet another question: did the Drumbo parish real property... Knocknagoney Townland, remain in the overall family? With members from the Tullyglush area being sent out to tend or farm it?

The speculations become endless... but perhaps there is enough here to give some form to a possible solution to the puzzle. Some obvious questions are posited above, in addition to the issues relating to tying together the Tullyglush/Tulliniskey lineages and the Blue Mountain linages:
1) Can the South Carolina Strongs be tied to the Kilraughts, Magheradroll or some other of the Tulliniskey linages?
2) And, take a look at County Armagh records #3598 & 3599, relating to a Samuel Strong and a Richard Strong, born circa 1797-1800, sons of a William Strong. They emigrated from Tanderagee Townland, Lower Ballymore Parish, in the Banbridge Registry District, near County Down, to Vermont, USA. See the discussion below. They apparently were deeply involved in a Presbyterian congregation in Vermont. It seems likely they tie back into the County Down lineages as well.
3) Is it possible for either Gord or Philip, or both, to compile a genealogy using a program which will generate a GEDCOM which we can all take turns at adding to and refining? I suspect such an approach will help resolve some of the remaining "mysteries"! (note, Philip D. Strong has volunteered to initially take on this project. Note further, Pete Strong has already contributed a partial GEDCOM re his "Vermont" line; and Roger Dellinger's South Carolina Strongs are already on line at his website)

Regards,
Dave Strong
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gord Stronge
To: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne
Philip D & Lyn E Strong (Aust., re Strong of Ulster)
Christina Stronge (re Co. Down)
Philip B. Strong (Belfast, NI, re Co. Sligo Strongs)
Ordella McIntyre Park (re Co.Cavan Strongs)
Joan Fields (re Co.Cavan & Kentucky Strongs)
Garth Watson (re Co.Cavan Strongs)
Cc: Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim)
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Possible relationships Tulliniskey,Blue Mountains,South Carolina STRONG(E)s of Counties Down, Antrim, Cavan,etc

Dave et al:
Some notes with reference to Dave's conjectures ...:
1. re: Tullyniskey, Co. Down STRONGE connection to Co. Cavan STRONG: in my recent conversations with Ralph & Grahame Stronge [sons of Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel Stronge [1904-1982] they mentioned their father told them he had Strong(e) relatives in Co. Cavan and was likely the reason he served the Presbyterian Church in that county; his tenure there was long after my Rev. William James Stronge had left Cavan in 1880 for Churchtown then Garvagh, Co. Derry and also long after his family emigrated in 1908 to Canada.

2. If Canon John Stafford Cecil Stronge is a descendent of Samuel English Stronge it is wonderful news to me! One of S.E. Stronge's son's name was Sir Herbert Cecil Stronge [1875-1963]; I can only find record of Sir Stronge having 2 daughters. I have not found any record yet of his brothers' [Hubert Moorehead Stronge and Cyril Clare Stronge] children. If you can confirm this family connection with Canon Stronge please advise.

3. Agreed that the Drumbo Stronge lineage could be more senior than Tullyniskey Stronge line.

4. I am unaware of any emigration records of Tullyniskey Stronges other than my line Rev. William James Stronge [to Canada in 1908] and Andrea Lawrence's and Max Archer's Tullyglush line to Nova Scotia Canada circa 1870s. Therefore, I'm unaware of any possible North Carolina Stronge connections.

5. I am wholly ill-equipped to discuss Cuthbert Strong circa 1630; this is just too far back for me to contemplate right now; you do raise some very interesting possibilities though.
Gord

Response from Dave Strong, dated 14 Nov 2001:
There is a lot to cover. However, for now, I will just report that I found Joan Healy Strong's hand-written letter of 22 July 1990 responding to a general inquiry letter I wrote 10 July 1990. I will transcribe Joan's letter here, and then comment below:
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22nd July, 1990
215 The Grove
Celbridge,
Co. Kildare

Dear Captain Strong,
Thank you for your letter. I'm sorry to tell you that my husband, Canon Stronge, died in November, 1986, and I'm afraid I know very little of his family history, at least on his father's side. His mother had a large family connection but that would be of no interest to you.

All I know of my father-in-law was that he came from Northern Ireland. His parents were dead and he had fallen out with his sisters. He farmed outside Baileboro, Co. Cavan at a place called Skeagh Lodge and owned several other small farms. (I noted on the page "Kilmore Dioc")

Ii'm sure enclosed is no use as there are now no Strongs, except my sister-in-law, Dora, who is not well physically or mentally really. She is very confused.

Sorry not to be of more help.

Yours Sincerely,
Joan Stronge
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She then attached a hand drawn descendency chart, commencing with:

Robert Stronge (b. 1874, Northern Ireland, d. 1953) m. Isabella Stafford, (b. Co Cavan), with four children:
Richard Stronge (d. in accident, c.1930)
Dora Stronge (b. 1908)
John Stafford Cecil Stronge m.1944 Joan Healy
Mildred Stronge m.1943 William Parke

Children of JSC Stronge & Joan Healy:
Elizabeth Stronge (1949-1965)
Wendy Stronge (1970- ) m.1970 Denis Dellin, three children: Nicolas, b.1973; Elizabeth, b.1976; Jessica, no dates

Children of Mildred Stronge & William Parke:
Rosamunde Parke m.1968 Ian Jourdan and had four children: Emma, b.1969; Benjamin, b. 1971;

Dominic, b. 1980; Alexander, b. 1982 Catherine Parke (no dates)
Vernor Parke m. Helen Crosland (no dates or children listed)
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From the foregoing, I surmise that Robert Stronge was born in Co. Down. The only logical Robert Stronge available in the Tulliniskey query and webpage is record #129, whose parents were Henry Stronge, record #1677, and Susanna Simpson, record #1678. I found that Henry Strong and Susanna Simpson had four children: Robert, b.1870Feb06; Margaret, b.1871May30; Susan, b.1875May19; Elizabeth Jane, b. 1878Jan16; (note above Joan Strong's reference to falling out with his sisters).

Next look at Robert Henry Strong, record#2598, b. 1855- record #2597, d.1934Mar13; married to Mary Hanna. I think he is likely the father of Robert Stronge. And, they are Tulliniskey Stronges...

And, note your mention that the sons of "Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel Stronge [1904-1982] .... mentioned their father told them he had Strong(e) relatives in Co. Cavan".... It all seems to tie together.... but may need further corroboration.

Hope this helps!
Dave
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Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


The Strongs of Holywood Parish and Knocknagoney Townland, County Down; emigrants to New Zealand and Australia. Researcher is Philip D. Strong, of the Blue Mountains in Australia. See his website, STRONGs of Ulster,Ireland. Philip's website gives details about Holywood and Knocknagoney, as well as his family's emigration. For a description of the Townland of Knocknagoney, gleaned by Philip D. Strong from the Ordinance Surveys, see also: Knocknagoney.

Philip D. Strong's email dated 9 Nov 2001, is quoted below, giving some emigration details. This content can now also be found on his website at: http://www.strong-family.org/strongs/chapter_2.html#emigrate :

The Strong family then left Plymouth, England in the "Baron Aberdare" on 14 Dec 1874 as assisted emigrants. They arrived in Auckland after 95 days on 19 Mar, 1875.,. The "Southern Cross" (NZ) newspaper reported on 20 Mar 1875 that the following Strongs were passengers: Robert aged 44, Jane 34, Robert James 13, Joseph 7, David 5, Mary 2, Margaret 24. In addition William Aberdare was born on the passage on 4 Feb 1875. The general account of the trip in this paper said:

"The Baron Aberdare, a new ship, built to the order of the New Zealand Shipping Company, arrived in port last evening from London with a general cargo and a long list of passengers. Captain Edmonds reports that the Baron Aberdare discharged the pilot off Plymouth on the 14th December, and left the Channel with a fresh NE wind. Passed Madeira on the 19th. Experienced light winds, and crossed the equator in long 21 W. on 6th January. Had light SE trades and light variable winds afterwards. Passed the meridian of the Cape on the 4th of February. Fresh westerly breezes from there to the meridian of the Leeuwin, which was passed on the 20th February. Ran down the easting in latitude 40 deg S. After passing the Leeuwin had light easterly and NE winds. Rounded Tasmania on March 2nd, and since then have had a dead boat here. Two births on the passage, and one infant died. The ship made the run in 95 days from Plymouth. She is described as being a fine new clipper vessel of over 1,500 tons register, and it was confidently expected that she would make the premier passage of the season to this port, but contrary winds delayed her to a great extent. The immigrants have all arrived in excellent health, not an adult death being recorded by the surgeon superintendent, Dr Forman. The Health Officer (Dr. Philsom) and the immigration officer (Mr Ellis) will inspect the vessel this morning, when no doubt a clean bill of health will be given, as we understand that there is no disease on board of an infections character."

The "Assisted Emigration to Auckland" register from the National Archives of NZ (Reference 1m 15/190) lists the Strongs as mentioned in the Southern Cross report. Additional information given there is the family's county as County Down. Robert's occupation is given as Carpenter, and against Robert J. aged 13 is a line through his age and the comment "transfd to S.M." or to single men's accommodation. Similarly against Mary aged 24 is the line through her age and the comment "transfd to S.W." or single women's accommodation. The single person lists from the above register for that voyage and found that the entry for Mary Strong gave (Age) 24, (County) Down, (Occupation) Nursemaid. Mary may have been a cousin or niece of Robert? The register sets out that the Strongs' emigration cost the government 79-15 !

William Aberdare STRONG was one of the two births reported by the "Southern Cross" His birth certificate gives the date 5 Feb and mentions the "Baron Aberdare". His father Robert records the date 4 Feb in the family bible, no mention of ship. The Ship's Surgeon gives Feb 7 as the birth date in "Statement of Births and Deaths"

Question... what happened to the rest of the family? Agnes had possibly emigrated to NZ earlier on the "Carrisbrook Castle" on 29 May 1874. Jane, born on 23 Sep 1854, and Hamilton, born on 21 May 1864 seem to have vanished without trace from the family records. Perhaps Jane and Hamilton stayed in Belfast? John Taylor was born later on 17 Feb 1881 at Wellington St Auckland. NZ.

A transcript from a tape recording of Robert William Strong says:
"My grandparents Robert and Jane Strong who lived in Belfast, Ireland, decided to emigrate to New Zealand mainly for reasons of my grandfather's health. They went to London where they had to wait until a suitable sailing ship was ready. They were to have sailed in a ship called the COSPATRICK , but as there was an outbreak of sickness amongst some of the children they could not sail on that particular vessel. This was indeed fortunate for as the ill-fated vessel was sailing down the west coast of Africa a fire broke out. The vessel was destroyed with great loss of life. There were very few survivors. (Cospatrick: Ship- 1220 tons, Captain- Elmslie, Sailed from London 10th September 1874 - bound for Auckland.)

In due course they boarded a vessel called the BARON ABERDARE and set sail. Conditions on board were very crowded and the food was not of the best. On board there were a number of pregnant women and the captain ordered that food from his own table be sent to them to supplement their rations. My grandmother, Jane Strong, was one of these and as the ship rounded the Cape of Good Hope my father was born. He was named after the ship; William Aberdare Strong.

On the same ship was the Steen family who also came from Northern Ireland but from a farming district. Their names were William and Margaret Steen. My grandfather Steen was very well educated so the captain made him the schoolmaster to instruct the children on the boat. As the ship came into the Indian Ocean she became becalmed for some time. The pitch oozed out of the seams in the deck. This caused quite a delay, but eventually they got moving again and sailed on to reach Auckland, New Zealand after a voyage that took 104 days."

Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage



The Strongs of Fayston, Vermont, USA:
In February to November 2000, I exchanged a series of messages with Howard "Pete" Strong, from which I have edited the following information:

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete and Donna Strong
To:
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: Strong Ancestry

I'm looking for any history on William Strong, born in Tandergee, County Armagh, Ireland in the late 1700s. He emigrated to the US in the early 1800s with his wife Margret and three sons, John, Samuel, and Richard. The only birth date I have is Samuel's (May 7, 1797) in Ireland. He married Ann Black in 1822. The family eventually settled in Fayston, Vermont. I am descended from Samuel to Matthew S. Strong to Clarence Warren Strong to Howard Arthur Strong. I have no data on when William and Margret emigrated, nor where they landed.

Do you have any helpful information in your archives? Appreciate any help you can give me.

Thanks
Howard P. (Pete) Strong

He (WILLIAM) emigrated to the US in the early 1800s with his wife Margret and three sons, John, Samuel, and Richard.

The family eventually settled in Fayston, Vermont. Fayston is about 20 miles southwest of Montpelier in Washington County. It is close to Waitsfield, Warren, and Moretown, in all of which this line of Strong's have lived.

In looking for their origins in County Armagh, the following website was reviewed, which contains a Townland Search Engine for all of Ireland:

The IreAtlas Townland Database:
http://www.seanruad.com/

Found the following in County Armagh:

Townland AKA Acres County Barony Parish PLU Province
TANDERAGEE T. xx Armagh Orior Lower Ballymore Banbridge Ulster

Lower Ballymore parish can be found on a map found at the following website:

The Civil Parishes of County Armagh:
http://www.ancestryireland.com/armagh_map.htm
Lower Ballymore appears to be parish #3 on the map, although it COULD be #2. Note there are two parishes shown on the map with the name "Ballymore". I am guessing that you want #3 because it appears to be "lower" on the county map...

At the GenUKI website: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ARM/index.html
"Tandrage" is listed with the towns and parishes of County Armagh.

I suggest you research the Townland of Tanderagee in Lower Ballymore Parish, Banbridge Poor Law Union, in the Griffith's Valuations for County Armagh, circa 1848-1864. These valuations give a complete list of occupiers of land, tenements and houses. The Primary Valuation of Ireland, better known as the Griffith's Valuation, is arranged by counties and within counties by Poor Law Union Divisions and within Unions by parishes. It includes the following information:

townland address;
householder's name;
name of the person from whom the property was leased;
description of the property;
acreage;
valuation.

I realize you are searching for info re a family which departed Ireland BEFORE the Griffith's Valuation was performed. However, it is POSSIBLE you may find a Strong family occupying a portion of Tanderagee Townland in the 1860's. It is probable that this is the same family... only a later generation, which may have stayed in Ireland. Further, you may be able to identify who OWNED the land in question. Given the name of the Landlord, you MIGHT be able to identify Estate records for that Landlord held by the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland which in turn MIGHT contain leasing or rent records, even specific documents which might be helpful in identifying the persons you are researching IN THE TIME PERIOD you are researching. It is an "around the horse and cart" way of getting the info, but with the loss of records in the Four Courts Fire in 1922, it is one of the ways of researching genealogy in Ireland.

Most of the info Pete has was gleaned from the local town archives when he visited in 1995. He found the grave of Margret Strong (William's wife) in a small graveyard outside Fayston. His aunt (Ina Strong Goodyear) gave him much of the info also. She just turned 90 (in 2000?) and lives in Moretown VT.

Pete attached a large (unfortunately) file with some info he took from the 1898 Fayston Centennial pamphlet. He had copied page 13, which discussed Samuel and Richard Strong, and then scanned in a picture of Matthew S. Strong, Samuel's son.

From: FAYSTON CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.booklet, p.13, an attachment to Email dated 11/25/2000 from Pete Strong (but note, picture is not included):

"Many of the early settlers were of Scotch-Irish descent, intelligent, well educated and thrifty; they emigrated from the north of Ireland.

"Among these we mention Deacon Samuel Strong, Deacon James McAllister, Richard Strong, Joseph, Thomas and George Somerville, John Long, James, Thomas and Alexander Maxwell, John, William, Henry and Robert Kew, Thomas Ferris, James Thompson, John and James McCaughin, James Baird and his sons, William, John and James, Jr., John McMullen, James Baird 5th, Samuel McLaughlin, John Patterson and Patrick Smith; the last two are now (1898) living at the age of 82 and 83 years.

"Of those who came from other parts of Ireland we name John McCarty, William Carey, John Kelty, Daniel Hagan and James Neill."

On the following page (page 14) of the Fayston Centennial Celebration, the next paragraph concerning 'Religious Societies' reads:
" On March 12, 1838 a Congregational society was organized "For the purpose of settling a minister and erecting a meeting house." The first meeting was to be held in school house No. 3. Unfortunately the records do not give the names of the signers of the constitution, but we are informed by old members, that among their number were James Sellick, Arba Durkee, Z. W. Boyce, Joseph Somerville, James Somerville, James McAllister, Samuel Strong and their wives; James McAllister and Samuel Strong were the deacons, and the minister settled was a Rev. Mr. French who lived in a part of Deacon Strong's house, where M. S. Strong, his son, now lives. This society later joined with the Congregational church in Waitsfield."

Two paragraphs later, the following:
"A Reformed Presbyterian society was formed about the year 1850. The leading members were Samuel Strong, John Long, James Baird and Andrew Gillies of Moretown, Revs. N. R. Johnston of Topsham, James Beattie of Ryegate, R. Z. Wilson, J. A. Armour and other Covenanter ministers preached occa- sionally in school house No. 3 and also in No. 1. When they had no preaching, meetings and Sunday schools were held, where principles of godliness and Calvinism, in the fullest meaning of the term were inculcated. After the death of these worthy men, many of their offspring united with the churches in Waitsfield."

Pete Strong states "That's all I know about their religion." But, it is enough for our present hypothesis to put them firmly in the company of the Presbyterian Strongs of Counties Down and Antrim!

In addition, Pete forwarded this piece about M. S. Strong which apparently appeared in the Fayston Pamphlet under his picture:
"M. S. Strong, who lives on the farm where he was born 62 years ago, is one of the largest farmers in town, and perhaps no one stands higher in the esteem of his townsmen. He has held various offices and represented the town in 1874-5."

Pete believes this confirms that the Strong's lived in Fayston from at least 1836. Where they were before that is not recorded in anything he's been able to find. He's looked thru as many passenger manifests as possible from early 1800's, with no luck. He assumes William and Margret came over with their children, but that is only an assumption. He doesn't know their port of embarkation or debarkation, nor when they arrived. Additionally, note the fact that he had also found Margaret's grave near Fayston confirms that the whole family likely came over from Ireland together.

Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


Returning to a discussion of certain of the records in the IDB for County Down:
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne
To: PD & LE Strong ; Gord Stronge ; Gord Stronge
Cc: Tom Weir (re South Carolina Strongs) ; Bill Strong (Dunnville,ON re Co.Monaghan) ; Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim) ; Howard P. "Pete" Strong (re Strong of Co. Armagh)
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Gravestone inscriptions and Attempt #3 at the Down-Antrim Puzzle:

Philip and Gord.... and Roger, Tom, Pete, and Bill:

This message is being copied also to Roger Dellinger and Tom Weir, both of the South Carolina Strong lineage for info and comment; Howard "Pete" Strong of the Vermont lineage to urge him to read and comment on the various discussions at the Tulliniskey website below; and Bill Strong of Dunnville for info. I hope this discussion will be of interest and possible assistance to all. It is supplementary to the discussion in the Tulliniskey webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion

Some things have been going thru my mind, and I wanted to pass them along. Referring to the updated County Down version of the Irish Strong Database: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm and also to the Tulliniskey version, cited above.

First, in a message , Philip D. Strong states "We now have a more primary reference (and also more detailed) to Rev. John Strong than Ros Davies' reference to Rev. John STRONG in her web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/A%20Surnames%20Sm-Sy.htm#st"

Rev. John Strong COULD be a child of one of the off-spring of Cuthbert Strong under my hypothesis. Query which one? In the following copy of a message I received from Gord back in 1997 re inputs to the data base, it appears Rev. John Strong was the son of Christopher Strong.
---------------------------- Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 5:05:46 PM
From: IN:kstronge@bc.sympatico.ca
To: Dbsandmd
Topic: Submission - Irish Strong Database

Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/submitir.html

(subject) Submission - Irish Strong Database (from-name) Gord Stronge (from-email) kstronge@bc.sympatico.ca (Country File) Ireland (Name) John Strong (Event) Death (Date) 1780Aug10 (Occupation) Presbyterian Minister (Father's Name) Christopher Strong (Religion) Presbyterian (Source Name) PHS, Presbyterian Church Records, List of Ministers, p.176 (Compiler Name) Gord Stronge (Remarks) From Kilraughts ordained Ballynahinch, Co. Down Oct. 10, 1744 moderator of General Synod 1772.
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My notes: See Records #2879,2880,2881,2882,2893,2894
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Christopher Strong (Record #2881) is not listed as one of Cuthbert Strong's children... but he COULD have been one of them (referencing the Hypothesis in the Tulliniskey discussion). See the discussion below re the possibility he is a younger son of Cuthbert Strong.

Back to Rev. John Strong (Record #2882 & 3635), in record #2496; he is identified, I believe, as the father of Margaret Strong Armstrong (records #2494, 3689, 3690, 2493). You may have noted that earlier I had identified her father as "Rev. JAMES Strong" vice Rev. JOHN Strong. This was based upon the report underlying the two earlier records of the findings of Dorothy Milne, a researcher in Toronto, Ontario, who found an obituary while researching archives of Toronto newspapers and passed that info on to my friend Bill Strong of Dunnville, ON, who passed it on to me. My database notes follow: Per letter from Dorothy Milne to WLS dtd 29 Jan 1991: 'Margaret Armstrong d/o Rev James Strong PREB minister at that place for 36 yr.' Preb. could be either Presbyterian or Prebentary Minister (latter is a Ch of Ireland functionary). Fm Toronto Herald, 17Aug1836; p.146 Upper Canada (early name for Ontario). On reviewing the Gravestone Inscriptions reported by Philip below, I decided the Gravestone Inscription report is more accurate than that of a Canadian newpaper reported third or fourth hand, and made the change from JAMES to JOHN. This leaves an unexplained question as to WHY the death was reported in Ontario. I am not sure, will have to go back to the early letter from Dorothy Milne, and will let you know if I find it.

Now, if Rev. John Strong (Record #2882) is properly identified in time and place in the 18th century, this puts him in place to be a possible ancestor of various of the Down sub-lineages (Tulliniskey, Blue Mountains, Vermont, Magheradrool), and I hope you can help sort that out. I will look forward to further input from you re this.

Note, at 10:35 AM +1100 13/11/2001, Rosalind Davies emailed Philip D. Strong as follows: Hi Philip,
The information about the Rev. John Strong was copied from the beginning of the chapter for that church before the gravestones were listed. This is what I copied:- Ballynahinch 1st Presbyterian Church, Windmill Street- 1st minister 1696- earlier church than the present building which was built in 1751 by Rev. John Strong.

I few years ago I was doing some research for a lady with surname Gibson whose ancestors were buried there. I spoke with Mr Tom Barr from Stewart & Gibson's Hardware store in High Street, Ballynahinch, who was an elder of the church and kept the burial registers in his filing cabinet. You could write to him to ask if he knows anything about your relative as he was very helpful and friendly back then. Thanks for the encouragement re my new web site.
Best wishes,
Ros Davies

This information corrects our earlier thinking that there were TWO Rev. John Strongs involved in records #2882 &3635, and establishes that we are probably discussing the same man.

Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


Now, a few thoughts about possible connections with the South Carolina Strongs:
For some background, the following is copied from Roger Dellinger's website at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=argothor&id=I23605
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ID: I23605
Reference Number: 23605
Name: Christopher Strong
Sex: M
Change Date: 01 SEP 2001
Note:
Last name also given as Strang.

There is an article entitled "Covenanters and The Work of Rev. John Cuthbertson" in The National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, pp 17 et seq. It gives the names of those Covenantres who sailed September 5, 1685 on the "Henry and Francis," from Leith, Scotland to Perth Amboy, New Jersey where they arrived about the middle of December. The conditions were terrible and many died during the voyage. The passenger list includes Christian Strange and Janet Symington. Those two names are separated by the names of about ten other persons. There are no Christophers, Strongs or Jeannettes. The passengers were not Scotch-Irish, or Irish or Associate Reformed Presbyterians. There were Scotch (probably lowlanders), Reformed Presbyterians (Covenanters) who were being dispatched from Scotland because they refused for religious reasons to take the oath of loyalty to the government.

The following comes from Dave Strong, in an e-mail that he send to the Strong list:

"Recall that after Charles II died and was succeeded by his Catholic brother, James II, the Duke of Monmouth raised a rebellion in England. At the same time, the Scottish Duke of Montrose raised a rebellion in Scotland designed to support Monmouth. Amongst Montroses' supporters in 1685 were a large number of Covenanters...including Christopher Strong and Jeannette Symington. When the rebellion failed these Covenanters were imprisoned in Dunotter Castle south of Aberdeen and held there until the Decree of Banishment was issued in 1686. They were "sold" into the indenture of a Catholic Lord, Pitlochie, and transported to New Jersey...where, Pitlochie having died at sea and the Glorious Revolution of 1688-9 being in the offing, the Covenanters were released from their indentures by action of a court."

If this is true, how did they get back to Scotland and subsequently Ireland to parent the lineage which ultimately emigrated to South Carolina in 1771? This tends to make one believe that Christopher Strong and his wife Jeannette Symington are not the parents of John Strong, however for the time being I will list them that way. (emphasis of Roger Dellinger's comments added by David B. Strong for this discussion)

From an e-mail from the late John R. Mayer of the Strong-L@rootsweb.com list server, John writes:

"I have lately expanded Christopher II's biography, which belongs in Extraneus, Book IX, Strange of Balcaskie and the Clans Outlandish Strang and Stronge (1996), and it contains some original text from te prisoners' published complaint. Here is how it begins: Christopher Strang II, Banished to Perth Amboy natus circa 1657, floruit 1685-1686. Supposed son of the Christopher Strang I who was hanged and mutilated on 1666/12/7. Christopher Strang II was presumably born about 1657, and apparently followed his father's example, for he joined the Convenanters in rebellion to the Stuart crown. Christopher II was later held as Prisoner at Glasgow, Dunnottar, and Leith Tolbooth. Christopher Strang was shown to be a prisoner at the tollbooth at Leith on 1685/8/17 and he was banished to the American Plantations, by a judgement rendered at Leith on 1685/8/18. He was transported from Leith to Perth Amboy, East New Jersey, by George Scott of Pitlochie aboard the ship Henry and Francis, commanded by Master Richard Hutton, on 1685/9/5.

I have never before seen a record of Christopher Strang II having left any children, so I now wonder how the Strongs of Dickson (Dickson Co., Tennessee) managed to make the connection. Christopher was not exactly an uncommon name in Glasgow, and thee was another (third) Christopher Strang (born circa 1669) at Glasgow who married first Margaret Allen, and second Agnes Grainger. I also tend to believe there were yet another person in Lanarkshire named Christopher Strong.

The story of his father Christopher Strang I (circa 1638-1666) was a little more dramatic, for he was drawn and quarted. His head was displayed at Hamilton, and his right arm was nailed to the public post of Lanark, at the very spot he had sworn the Covenant..."

Birth: 1660 in Scotland
Marriage 1 Jeanette Symington b: in Scotland
Married: BEF 1685
Children
John Strong b: ABT 1686 in Scotland
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Also see the following from Roger Dellinger's website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=argothor&id=I23599
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ID: I23599
Reference Number: 23599
Name: John Strong
Sex: M
Change Date: 01 SEP 2001
Birth: ABT 1686 in Scotland
Death: ABT 1750 in Co. Antrim, Ireland

Father: Christopher Strong b: 1660 in Scotland
Mother: Jeanette Symington b: in Scotland

Marriage 1 Weir
Married: BEF 1705
Children
Strong b: ABT 1705 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
Robert Strong b: ABT 1707 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
James Strong Sr. b: 1709 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
John Strong b: ABT 1711 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
Charles Strong b: ABT 1713 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
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Note, there are some relevant discussions relating to the South Carolina Strongs located on the Lineage Directory. See:
Irish & Immigrant Places .
For a background discussion re the emigrant lineage of these Strongs,
see Cameronians , and
see Christopher Strang
see: Antrim Emigrants to SC, and
see: Marquis of Donegal
see separate website re: Rev. William Martin's 5 shiploads of immigrants. The earlist date is 1772, and contains Christopher Strong only.
see also: A History of the Reformed Presbyterian Church
and: Some Covenanter Links

Other References include: (Strange of Chester), copywrite 1986, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997 by John R. Mayer); Vol. IV, Book X; " Extraneus, Strange of The Carolinas", and Book IX; "Extraneus, Strange of Balcaskie"
"Strong and Allied Families, The Papers of Miss Esther Strong, Chester County, SC", Privately Published by Virginia Draffin Waites.

For now, there has been a considerable amount of confusion concerning the origins of the South Carolina Strongs. For one thing, there is a bit of surname spelling confusion. The South Carolinians spell it "Strong", and include the Christopher Strong legend in their family history. John R. Mayer spelled it "Strang", and includes the given name "Christopher". In the "Covenanters and The Work of Rev. John Cuthbertson" in The National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, pp 17 et seq., cited above by Roger Dellinger, the name is apparently given as "... Christian Strange ...".

For another thing, there is confusion over the timing of the sequence of events. Refer back to our discussion about the martyr, Christopher Strang/Strong of Rullion Green: (See web discussion): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion and relating it in time to certain events affecting the South Carolina lineage:

1666: First Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat at Rullion Green and beheading of leaders, including Christopher Strang.

1688: Third Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat and imprisionment of Christopher/Christian Strang/Strong/Strange in Dunottar Castle, with subsequent transportation to New Jersey for servitude as indentured servant.

1689: Glorious Revolution of 1689, ending in establishment of reign of King William III and Queen Mary II. Freeing of Christopher Strang in New Jersey.

1770: Emigration of children of John Strong, supposed descendents of Christopher Strong, to South Carolina.

The questions revolve around the missing events of the period between 1689 and 1770. How did Christopher Strong get back to Scotland? How and when did his descendents get to County Antrim? And, WHERE were they in County Antrim?

Addressing the last question first, the South Carolinia legend is that they came from "Cloughwater", County Antrim. The problem is, there is apparently NO Cloughwater in County Antrim. For some time, I have speculated that Cloughwater actually was the parish of "Kilwaughter", in County Antrim. However, there is no evidence available to me that ties the South Carolina Strongs to Kilwaughter; nor is there anything tying the Rev. Wm. Martin, whose contingent of 6 ship loads of emigrants to South Carolina they joinded. (Note, the South Carolina Strongs are apparently NOT included in the passenger list of the 6 ships, per researchers of other surnames).

Unfortunately, I am unaware of anyone having expended any effort in trying to trace WHERE "Cloughwater" was... even though the emigration of the South Carolina Strongs was apparently sparked by disruption of leaseholds occasioned by "rent-racking" undertaken by the Marquis of Donegal. It should be possible to review identification of his estate to try to establish whether there is a likely townland or parish or other place named "Cloughwater".

My own efforts to find "Cloughwater" just last evening produced the following, at the IreAtlas website:
Link to IreAtlas Townland Search
"County Antrim Search Output:
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province
Cloughorr 378 Antrim Lower Dunluce Ballywillin Coleraine Ulster

1 Total Matches"

Note the similarity of "Cloughorr" to "Cloughwater"... The true spelling may have been lost in pronunciation problems between the first "South Carolina" Strongs and their descendents.

The parish of Ballywillin is located adjacent to Coleraine, in County Antrim very near to the Derry border. See: Baroney Map for Antrim http://proni.nics.gov.uk/geogindx/maps/barantr.gif and see linked Parish Maps. And, see locations which seem to be in Ballywillin Parish near Coleraine in: http://interactive2.iol.ie/MAPS/iolmap.asp Many of the locations on the map are familiar as locations for Strong records in the Irish Strong Database for County Antrim: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/antrim.htm

Now, there may be an alternative in County Down to the "Cloughwater" mystery. The IreAtlas website produced the following:

"IreAtlas County Down:

Search Output:
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province
CLOUGH T xx Down Kinelarty Loughinisland Downpatrick Ulster
Clough 396 Down Kinelarty Loughinisland Downpatrick Ulster

2 Total Matches"

IF one looks at a map of County Down, the Town of Clough, apparently located in or adjacent to the Townland of Clough, is located rather near to a large body of water. Query whether there is a local placename of "Cloughwater", situated along side the water (as it might be used in Irish parlance "along the Clough water")? Can Philip or Gord shed any light on this question?

And, query further whether either of you has any insight into the "Rev. Wm. Martin" locations of the mid- to late- 18th century?

And, query further do either of you have any insights re relationships of Strongs in the Belfast area to Strongs in the Coleraine area of County Antrim????

Back to the sequencing of events relating to the Christopher Strong of South Carolina legend above, repeated and amplified here below. We have speculated there might have been a "close relationship" between Cuthbert Strong and Christopher Strong the martyr of 1666. See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion

Could it be that Cuthbert Strong was Christopher Strong the martyr's brother or other close relative? That he named a later son Christopher after the martyr, who became the Christopher Strong of record 2881? And, that the John Strong of record #2882 is identical with the John Strong of Roger Dellinger's site above: "ID: I23599/ Reference Number: 23599/ Name: John Strong "? Can we hypothesis the following sequence of events?

1666: First Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat at Rullion Green and beheading of leaders, including Christopher Strang.

1669~: Cuthbert moves his family to Ulster, where Christopher Strong II is born. This Christopher Strong may be identical with the Christopher Strong of the 3rd Covenanter's Uprising, and the father of John Strong, record number 2882, in the data base, AND with the John Strong of Roger Dellinger's site above: "ID: I23599/ Reference Number: 23599/ Name: John Strong

1685-6: Third Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat and imprisonment of Cuthbert's son (or other close relative) Christopher/Christian Strang/Strong/Strange in Dunottar Castle, with subsequent transportation to New Jersey for servitude as indentured servant.

1689: Glorious Revolution of 1689, ending in establishment of reign of King William III and Queen Mary II. Freeing of Christopher Strang in New Jersey.

1690~: Christopher Strong returns from New Jersey to home in County Antrim, marries "Jeanette Symington", and remains in County Antrim, while the other brothers move to County Down, and become the ancestors of the Tulliniskey/Blue Mountain/Vermont lineages.

1720: Birth of Christopher Strong's (record #2882) son, Rev. John Strong (record #2881), who marries "Miss Weir" and parents the South Carolina Strongs, along with the additional child, Margaret Strong Armstrong (records #2494, 3689, 3690, 2493). (Note, Roger Dellinger's data gives date of birth of Christopher Strong's son John Strong, as 1711. This discrepancy may indicate we are dealing with two different lineages; or related lineages involving the same names; or incorrect dates.)

1770: Emigration of some, but not all, children of John Strong, supposed descendents of Christopher Strong, to South Carolina.

One of the key details which needs to be resolved in this is the identification of location of the "Cloughwater" of South Carolina legend with the "Clough" of County Down, or the "Coughorr" of County Antrim... and/or the resolution of the question how the Strongs of the Coleraine area possibly relate to the Strongs of County Down.

Also, has ANYONE ever checked the LDS Householder's Index (Tithes and Griffiths) for location in Counties Antrim or Down of the surnames Symington, Gaston and/or Weir? (Note, other info available to me indicates intermarriage in Ireland and in South Carolina between the South Carolina Strongs and the Gaston family... I will try to detail this later. See also Roger Dellinger's website): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=argothor&recno=24454

Such location info might help resolve the questions re location of origin of the South Carolina Strongs in "Cloughwater, County Antrim". It might also bear on the existence of the hypothesized link between the South Carolina Strongs and the Strong lineages of County Down.

Your comments and insights PLEASE!

Regards,
Dave Strong


Reference should also be made to the results found in the Strong/Strange/L'Estrange DNA Project; scroll down the page to the "Tynan Abbey Stronge" grouping, and explore the linked lineages of the participants by clicking on the respective Kit #s, and also explore the linked "DNA Notes". It is becoming apparent that the so-called "Tynan Abbey" DNA group is likely descended from the Christopher Strang executed in 1666, or at least from the same family, rooted in Lanarkshire, Scotland. For Related Lineages, see:
Kit #6256 (refer to Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney above.)
Kit #6386 (refer to South Carolina links above)
Kit #7548#7548 (Tynan Abbey, County Armagh & Carlisle, Cumbria) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #8920#8920 (Tynan Abbey, County Monaghan & Ontario, Canada) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #9014#9014 (Tynan Abbey, County Monaghan? & Ontario, Canada) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #24614#24614 (refer to Possible Vermont links above. Note, it is not clear whether the lineage tested is the same lineage as that discussed here. It would be very helpful to have the lineage discussed here tested to verify the results are the same.)
Kit #106170 (See Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Lanarkshire, Scotland)
It should also be noted that the Tulliniskey lineage has been DNA Tested, but returned somewhat anomalous results. See: DNA Results and Kit #36440. In light of the anomalous result mentioned, it would be very helpful to test additional members of this lineage to verify the result. It is possible there may have been an adoption or other "non-parental event" at some point which may not readily appear from the known records.

Review again:
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage


Go to the:
Table of Contents, Book I: Researching Strong(e)s & Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland , or
Table of Contents, Book II: The Donegal Strong Puzzle, or
Master Index, Irish Strong Database, or
the IDB County Index.
the IDB County Down.
the IDB County Antrim.
the IDB County Armagh.
Please also check the separate Irish Strong Births, Marriages & Deaths Index, as much data there is NOT repeated in the Irish Strong Data Base.

Please let us know if this webpage has been helpful! We would very much appreciate being advised of any possible additions or corrections to the database or the descendency chart set out here. Email: David B. Strong

Created November 3, 2001 -
Updated: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 6:53 AM
Last Updated: Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 8:00 PM

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