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William Leonard Trenaman

Birth Name William Leonard Trenaman 1a 2a 2b
Gender male
Age at Death 82 years, 8 months, 25 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth 29 May 1853 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Under the name "William Linnards Trinneman" Base Child

From navy record born 1854
Parish record gives baptism as 28.06.1853
Have taken Navy date as date of birth, and year from parish record.

Mother Jane Gill nee Treneman,
signed William's Navy enrolment form

Could his father be William Leonards 1831,
brother of Elizabeth Leonards.

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Baptism 28 June 1853 Hatherleigh, Devon, England  
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Law Court 27 July 1853 Black Torrington, Devonshire, England Bastardy - Quarter Sessions - Returns of Affiliation Orders 1853

mother JANE TRENNAMAN putative father WILLIAM LEONARDS division of BLACK TORRINGTON EAST AND SHEBBEAR SOUTH date of summons 20/06/1853 petty sessions on 27/07/1853 result ORDER MADE

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Education 1861 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
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Marriage 23 December 1880 Plymouth, Devon, England  

St Peters Church after Banns
Denomination Anglican
Witnesses
William Henry Gribble
Susanna Gribble

1911 census - Had 7 children and 1 died.

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Death 23 February 1936 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England aged 82

From navy record, aged from Parish baptism record.

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Cause Of Death 23 February 1936 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Heart Failure

from Death certificate, as stated on Navy record.

1a .Heart Failure
b ...Aortic Stenosis
c....Acute Bronchitis

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Probate 28 April 1936   In favour of Mrs Margaret Trenaman [Wife] and Percy Albert Burton. [Amount not known]
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Medical Information 29 May 1872   Royal Navy Medical

Height.......................5 foot 8 inches
Complexion..............Dark
Hair...........................Dark Brown
Eyes..........................Blue
Scars and marks......None

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  Occupation  
 
Military Service between 1870 and 1934   Royal Navy

02.08.1870 - joined aged 17 - [Name William only, aged 16]
Signed on by Jane Gill [Mother] at Leawood, Bridestone, Devon
Signed up for 2 years training and 10 years sailor.

03.08.1870 - Boy second class
1871 - Boy 2nd Class - (from 1871 census)
10.08.1871 - Boy first class
12.07.1872 - Ordinary seaman
04.10.1872 - 20.06.1887 - Detailed service record missing.
23 Dec 1880 - HMS Cambridge
04.04.1881 - Boatswain Mate - (from 1881 census)
14.07.1882 - Medal - Egypt War
21.06.1887 - Acting Boatswain
00.06.1903 - Zealous and hard-working but suffers from ill health.
13.09.1906 - Promoted to Chief Boatswain
...............from London Gazette 14.09.1906
29.05.1909 - Pensioned off
- Retained for one month after, in connection with salvage of HMS Blackwater
[Sunk in collision with SS Hero 6th April 1909.]
06.11.1910 - Appointed Master of C1 coal depot at Portsmouth.
13.10.1914 - Promoted to Lieutenant [Retired list] ...from London Gazette 04.12.1914
17.04.1916 - Fatal Accident to a labourer 0n board Coal Depot.
[William] severely censured by Admiral Suprb ?
who held he was largely responsible. [N42/42800]
15.12.1919 - Pension of £ 210 pa - 15. 12. 1919 to 30. 06. 1924
02.02.1934 - Awarded "Greenwich Hospital Pension" of £ 30

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  Addresses  
 
Residence 1861 Plymouth, Devon, England 1, St Andrews Street, St Andrews

I believe this is our William. just that the place of birth is wrong.

Jenkin, Jane Head Widow 25 1836 Washerwoman Bermondsey Cornwall
Trenaman, Elizabeth Sister In Law Married 26 1835 Sailors Wife R N Bermondsey Cornwall
Jenkin, Louisa Daughter 4 .....1857 Scholar Cornwall
Trenaman, William Nephew 6 1855 Scholar Cornwall

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Residence 1871 Thrushelton, Devon, England Alder Quarry

Staying with his mother and her family plus his grandfather.
The way the census it is laid out, with William being placed at the bottom of the list after his grandfather, suggests his step father was not keen on him ?
Was that also why he left home at 14. ?

He is listed on both the Navy and Mother's census.

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Residence 1881 Stoke Damerel, Devon, England HMS Indus, Devonport

William Trenaman 26 1855 Head Hatherleigh, Devon Petty Officer R N
Margaret Trenaman 23 1858 Wife Thrushelton, Devon
4 Ashley Place
Plymouth St. Andrew

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Residence 1887 Devonport, Devon, England 64 Albert Road
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Residence 1891   Not with family at Sea ?
 
Residence 1901 Gibralter HMS Resolution

First Class Battleship in Channel Squadron, Gibralter

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Residence 1911 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England 9 Wadham Road, North End

4 family members in 6 rooms
William Trenaman Head Married Retired Naval Officer Master Of Coal Depot 56 1855 Devon Hatherleigh
Margaret Trenaman Wife Married 53 1858 Devon Thrushelton
Florence Trenaman Daughter Single School 16 1895 Hampshire Portsmouth
James Trenaman Son Single School 15 1896 Hampshire Portsmouth

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Parents

Relation to main person Name Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father William Leonards
Mother Jane Treneman
         William Leonard Trenaman
 
Stepfather John Gill
Mother Jane Treneman
    Half-brother     John James Gill
    Half-brother     John Samuel Gill
    Half-sister     Eliza Gill

Families

    Family of William Leonard Trenaman and Margaret Hortop
Married Wife Margaret Hortop
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage (Primary) 23 December 1880 Plymouth, Devon, England  

St Peters Church after Banns
Denomination Anglican
Witnesses
William Henry Gribble
Susanna Gribble

1911 census - Had 7 children and 1 died.

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  Children
  1. Mabel Trenaman
  2. William Alfred Trenaman
  3. Margaret Kathleen Trenaman
  4. Frederick Trenaman
  5. John Edward Gordon Trenaman
  6. Florence Mary Trenaman
  7. James Albert Trenaman

Media

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Narrative

COALING HULKS (PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR).
HC Deb 30 April 1913 vol 52 cc1155-6 1155

13. Mr. CHARLES DUNCAN asked the working hours and the pay of the men employed on the coaling hulks C1 and C11, moored in Portsmouth Harbour?

Dr. MACNAMARA

The normal working hours of the men employed on C1 and C11 are as follows:— "Ordinary days, 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. (with half-hour for dinner); or 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. (with 1½ hours for dinner), according to coaling requirements." "Saturdays, 7 a.m. to noon." The men are also required to take turns in keeping watch throughout the night. When coaling His Majesty's ships or discharging colliers, it is frequently necessary to employ the men beyond the above mentioned hours. The men are paid the following daily rates (including allowances) for seven days a week, the payment for seven days being made to cover all ordinary overtime:—

Coal Depot C1.—Master, 8s. 6d.; mate, 4s. 10d.; 1st engineer, 9s. 6d.; 2nd engineer, 6s. 6d.; leading harbourmen, 5s. 5d.; harbourmen, 4s. 3d. (including an allowance of 4d. per day for electrical knowledge); leading stokers, 4s. 3d.; stokers, 4s. Coal haulabout.—Master, 5s. 5d.; harbourmen, 3s. 11d.; leading stoker (in charge), 4s. 9d.; stokers, 4s. Overtime pay is allowed in addition under certain special conditions, and the superintendent is also empowered to approve extra pay when men are subjected to unusual exposure. I may add that the conditions of service of these men, amongst others, are being considered by the Departmental Committee on Yard Craft.

[from http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1913/apr/30/coaling-hulks-portsmouth-harbour

Pedigree

  1. William Leonards
    1. Jane Treneman
      1. William Leonard Trenaman
        1. Margaret Hortop
          1. Mabel Trenaman
          2. William Alfred Trenaman
          3. Margaret Kathleen Trenaman
          4. Frederick Trenaman
          5. John Edward Gordon Trenaman
          6. Florence Mary Trenaman
          7. James Albert Trenaman

Ancestors

Source References

  1. British Navy: British Navy - Service records
      • Date: 23 February 1936
      • Page: Catalogue Reference:ADM/139/928 - Image Reference:40
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 7 June 2011
      • Page: Catalogue Reference:ADM/139/928 - Image Reference:40
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 7 July 2011
      • Page: Catalogue Reference:ADM/196/32 - Image Reference:318
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 7 June 2011
      • Page: Catalogue Reference:ADM/196/32 - Image Reference:318
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 23 February 1936
      • Page: Catalogue Reference:ADM/196/34 - Image Reference:560
      • Confidence: Very High
  2. Parish Records: Certificate - Baptism - Parish Record
      • Date: 28 June 1853
      • Page: William L Trenaman at findmypast.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Record set Devon Baptisms
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Record collection Births & baptisms
        Collections from Great Britain
        Devon Family History Society
        Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society
        Book 3a / Baptism / page.35 and 35a - William L Trenaman

      • Date: 28 June 1853
      • Page: William Leonard Trenaman at findmypast.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive reference 2917A/PR/1/7
        Record set Devon Baptisms
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Record collection Births & baptisms
        Collections from Great Britain

      • Date: 6 October 1887
      • Page: Margaret Kathleen Trenaman
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
        Archive reference -
        Page 97
        Record set Devon Baptisms
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Subcategory Births & baptisms
        Collections from Great Britain
        Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Collection

  3. English Government: Birth Registration - Free BMD
      • Date: 29 May 1853
      • Page: 1853-Okehampton-2q-Vol.5b-page.359
      • Confidence: Very High
  4. Joy Walker nee Barker: E-mails from Joy Walker nee Barker
      • Date: 9 March 2012
      • Page: Book 6a / E-mails / 13 / page.10
  5. Various Sources: Various Sources
      • Date: 14 June 2011
      • Page: Devon Research Service. - Report - Book 3a / Documents / page.22
      • Confidence: Very High
  6. Parish Council / Overseers of the Poor: Parish Bastard Records
      • Date: 27 July 1853
      • Page: William Leonards, Bastardy - Quarter Sessions - Returns of Affiliation Orders 1853
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Dataset Bastardy - Quarter Sessions - Returns of Affiliation Orders 1853
        Record type Bastardy
        County Devon
        Country England
        Archive Devon Heritage Centre
        DHC reference QS16/10/2
        Record set Devon Social & Institutional records
        Category Directories & social history
        Record collection Social history
        Collections from Great Britain

        Devon Family History Society

        Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society

  7. English Government: 1861 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 8 April 1861
      • Page: 1861 Census-TREAMAN, William-PLYMOUTH, Devonshire-RG09 piece 1444 folio 45 page 12
      • Confidence: Very High
  8. English Government: Marriage Registration - Find my Past
      • Date: 5 June 2011
      • Page: 1880-Plymouth-4q-Vol.5b-page.487
      • Confidence: Very High
  9. Parish Records: Certificate - Marriage - Parish Record
      • Date: 23 December 1880
      • Page: William Trenaman and Margaret Hortop - Find my Past
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
        Record set Devon Marriages
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Subcategory Parish Marriages
        Collections from England, Great Britain
        Devon Family History Society
        Transcription © Devon Family History Society

  10. English Government: Death Registration - Find my Past
      • Date: 23 February 1936
      • Page: 1936-Portsmouth-1q-Vol.2b-page.730
      • Confidence: Very High
  11. British Government: London Gazette
      • Date: 14 September 1906
      • Page: ~/.gramps-2/Treneman/
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 4 December 1914
      • Page: ~/.gramps-2/Treneman/
      • Confidence: Very High
  12. English Government: 1871 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 3 April 1871
      • Page: 1871 Census-GILL, Jane-TAVISTOCK, Devonshire-RG10 piece 2149 folio 125 page 6
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 3 April 1871
      • Page: 1871 Census-TRENEMAN, William-STOKE DAMEREL, Devonshire-RG10 piece 2141 folio 44 page 8
      • Confidence: Very High
  13. English Government: 1881 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 4 April 1881
      • Page: 1881 Census-TRENEMAN, Willm-STOKE-DAMEREL, Devonshire-RG11 piece 2214 folio 160 page 41
      • Confidence: Very High
  14. 1881 census - www.thegenealogist.co.uk
      • Date: 4 April 1881
      • Page: RG11/2196/F?
      • Confidence: Very High
  15. English Government: 1901 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 1 April 1901
      • Page: 1901 Census-TRENAMAN, William-ROYAL NAVY AT SEA AND IN PORTS ABROAD, Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad-RG13 piece 5332 folio 59 page 2
      • Confidence: Very High
  16. English Government: 1911 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 3 April 1911
      • Page: 1911 Census-TRENAMAN, William-PORTSMOUTH, Hampshire-Reference RG14PN5510 RG78PN251 RD90 SD1 ED32 SN33
      • Confidence: Very High