John and Ann Trenaman and family

William Trenaman

Birth Name William Trenaman 1a
Gender male
Age at Death 92 years, 10 months, 30 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth 12 January 1890 Hatherleigh, Devon, England  
1a 2a
Marriage 3 January 1919 Okehampton, Devon, England  
3a 4a 4b
Probate 23 April 1940 Exeter, Devon, England Left £ 317-18s-8d by John King Blackmoor

POSSIBLE - This is the only William, Butcher, found so far. 04.08.2011 - Les Treneman

5a
Death 11 December 1982 Hatherleigh, Devon, England aged 92, Buried with his Wife

Headstone information:
In Loving Memory of Ethel Annie Trenaman 1893-1981
Beloved Wife and Mother …

Also of William Trenaman 1890-1982
Beloved Husband and Father / Reunited

2a 4b 6a
Probate 12 April 1983 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England £64852
5b
  Occupation  
 
Occupation 1911   Butcher

When he married, he had no job; started a butcher business at the house next to the school.
Bought a few fields to raise cattle – which he butchered (with hired help)

7a 4c 4b
Occupation 1939   Butcher & Farmer

Also a Special Constable

8a
  Addresses  
 
Residence 1891 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Coombes House / Farm ?, Higher Street

John S Treneman Head Married 43 1848 Butchers Assistant Hatherleigh, Devon
Ann Treneman Wife Married 43 1848 - Hatherleigh, Devon
Hannah Treneman Daughter Single 17 1874 General Servant Domestic Hatherleigh, Devon
Mary Ann Treneman Daughter Single 15 1876 - Hatherleigh, Devon
John Hy Treneman Son 13 1878 Butchers Assistant Hatherleigh, Devon
Lucy Treneman Daughter 11 1880 Scholar Hatherleigh, Devon
Henry Treneman Son 8 1883 Scholar Hatherleigh, Devon
Sarah Treneman Daughter 3 1888 Scholar Hatherleigh, Devon
William Treneman Son 1 1890 - Hatherleigh, Devon

9a
Residence 1901 Hatherleigh, Devon, England South Street

John Trenaman Head Married 54 1847 Butcher Hatherleigh, Devon
Ann Trenaman Wife Married 54 1847 - Hatherleigh, Devon
Jack [John H] Trenaman Son Single 23 1878 Butcher Hatherleigh, Devon
Harry Trenaman Son Single 19 1882 Butcher Hatherleigh, Devon
Sarah Trenaman Daughter Single 13 1888 - Hatherleigh, Devon
William Trenaman Son Single 11 1890 - Hatherleigh, Devon
Emily Trenaman Daughter Single 8 1893 - Hatherleigh, Devon

10a
Residence 1911 Hatherleigh, Devon, England South Street

1911 census - Children, John and Ann had 11 one died
6 Family members in 5 rooms.

John Trenaman Head Married Butcher 1846 Hatherleigh Devon
Ann Trenaman Wife Married 1847 Monk Okehampton Devon
Emily Trenaman Daughter 1893 Hatherleigh Devon
Henry Trenaman Son Butcher 1884 Hatherleigh Devon
William Trenaman Son Butcher 1891 Hatherleigh Devon
Bertam Trenaman Grandson School 1904 Hatherleigh Devon

Bertram Living with his Grandparents
John Short Trenaman and Ann Alford
[Bertram Harold Mitchell son of Lucy Trenaman and George Mitchell]

7a
Residence 1939 Okehampton [RD] Devon, England High Street

8 People in house
William Trenaman 12 Jan 1890 Butcher & Farmer Married
Ethel A Trenaman 08 Jan 1893 Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Kathleen E Trenaman 31 Dec 1919 Student Single
Keith W Trenaman 18 Mar 1924 At School Single
This record is officially closed
This record is officially closed
This record is officially closed
Edith M Bishop (Piper) 12 Jul 1914 Paid Domestic Duties Single

8b
Residence 1982 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Suncrest Hatherleigh
5b

Parents

Relation to main person Name Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father John Short Trenaman
Mother Ann Alford
    Brother     Thomas Trenaman
    Sister     Elizabeth Ann Trenaman
    Sister     Hannah Trenaman
    Sister     Mary Ann Trenaman
    Brother     John Henry Trenaman
    Sister     Lucy Trenaman
    Brother     Henry Trenaman
    Brother     George Trenaman
    Sister     Sarah Trenaman
         William Trenaman
    Sister     Emily Trenaman

Families

    Family of William Trenaman and Ethel Annie Alford
Married Wife Ethel Annie Alford
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage (Primary) 3 January 1919 Okehampton, Devon, England  
3a 4a 4b
  Children
  1. Keith William Trenaman O.B.E.

Media

John and Ann Trenaman and family

John and Ann Trenaman and family
John H Trenaman Butcher

John H Trenaman Butcher
Coombes House or Farm ?

Coombes House or Farm ?

Narrative

My grandfather used to talk about different members of the Trenaman family, though never said they were related to him. I once asked him how they were connected to him and he said they were something to do with his mother, but I could never get anything out of him other than the fact that she was an Ellacott before marrying James White Marles. I now believe this was because he did not want us to know that his grandmother Elizabeth Trenaman b.1815 was illegitimate.

My mother once told me that her father was incredibly strict with her and her sister and they were only allowed to go to a dance in Okehampton if Allie Medland (his cousin), who I have now discovered was the daughter of Polly Trenaman [Mary Ann 1875], went with them as chaperone.

Albert Marles (grandson of Elizabeth Trenaman, b.1815 Hatherleigh) knew that his grandmother had relatives in the Plymouth area, some of whom were most probably descendants of James Trenaman and Mary Adgers, making them her third cousins.
from Joy by E-mail - Book 6a / E-mail / 13 / page 8

Narrative

John Henry (Thomas George’s son) was a soldier in WWII and while overseas in England, visited with a Kathleen and other Trenaman relatives. Kathleen’s father was one William Trenaman (the butcher) in Hatherleigh. I think that Kay (who gave me that information ( John Henry’s wife), may have recalled the relationship incorrectly. However, he (John Henry) did visit with William Trenaman (the butcher) in Hatherleigh (this William being Kathleen and Keith’s father) and he then went to Oxford to visit Kathleen’s brother Keith, who was attending Oxford U. at that time. I’m not hung-up on the “uncle” part of Will. To every note taken, a good genealogist needs to find what needs to be extracted and proven, and then the other is just that – recollections, and not always fitting into the big picture of things. So, this is what I am having, based on this recent correspondence between us (below). And that makes so much sense about Elizabeth and her sister Mary:
From Thelma Findlay-14.01.2012

Pedigree

  1. John Short Trenaman
    1. Ann Alford
      1. Thomas Trenaman
      2. Elizabeth Ann Trenaman
      3. Hannah Trenaman
      4. Mary Ann Trenaman
      5. John Henry Trenaman
      6. Lucy Trenaman
      7. Henry Trenaman
      8. George Trenaman
      9. Sarah Trenaman
      10. William Trenaman
        1. Ethel Annie Alford
          1. Keith William Trenaman O.B.E.
      11. Emily Trenaman

Ancestors

Source References

  1. English Government: Birth Registration - Free BMD
      • Date: 17 March 2011
      • Page: 1890-Okehampton-1q-Vol.5b-page.388
      • Confidence: Very High
  2. English Government: Death Registration - Ancestry.co.uk
      • Date: 17 March 2011
      • Page: 1982-Okehampton-4q-Vol.21-page.1713
      • Confidence: Very High
  3. English Government: Marriage Registration - Free BMD
      • Date: 20 March 2011
      • Page: 1919-Okehampton-1q-Vol.5b-page.811
      • Confidence: Very High
  4. Thelma Findlay: E-mails from Thelma Findlay
      • Date: 14 January 2012
      • Page: E-mails from Thelma Findlay, Book6a / 16 / page.2a
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 29 January 2011
      • Page: Joel Trenaman (Canada) visited England in 2010, and met relative: Kathleen (Trenaman) Westcott, Book 6a / E-mails / 16 / page.7
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 14 January 2012
      • Page: E-mails from Thelma Findlay, Book6a / 16 / page.3
      • Confidence: Very High
  5. English Government: Probate and Wills
      • Date: 16 March 2011
      • Page: Book 1a / Documents / page.19a - Probate - John King Blackmoor
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Source Reference Note:

        England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

      • Date: 12 April 1983
      • Page: 830901933K
      • Confidence: Very High
  6. Anon
      • Date: 11 December 1982
      • Page: William Treneman
      • Confidence: Very High
  7. English Government: 1911 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 15 March 2011
      • Page: 1911 Census-TRENAMAN, John-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-Reference RG14PN13129 RG78PN758 RD280 SD2 ED4 SN220
      • Confidence: Very High
  8. English Government: 1939 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 29 September 1939
      • Page: Ref: RG101/6877I/005/12 Letter Code: WHSD
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 29 September 1939
      • Page: RG101/6877I/005/11 Letter Code: WHSD
  9. English Government: 1891 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 15 March 2011
      • Page: 1891 Census-TRENEMAN, John S-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-RG12 piece 1754 folio 30 page 7
      • Confidence: Very High
  10. English Government: 1901 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 15 March 2011
      • Page: 1901 Census-TRENAMAN, John-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-RG13 piece 2122 folio 35 page 19
      • Confidence: Very High