Thirty-fifth Generation 
32177447804. William De WARENNE 1st Earl Of Surrey,2091,2188 son of Rodulf (Ralph) II De WARENNE and Emma, was born before 1037 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,2188,2189 died on 24 June 1088 in Lewes, Sussex, England (From Wounds At Siege Of Pevensey) 2091,2188, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England.2188 Another name for William was 01st Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
General Notes: EARLDOM OF SURREY (I) 1088
WILLIAM DE WARENNE was 1st son of Rodulf II by Emma. At some time in or after 1054 Duke William gave him the castle of Mortemer, which had been forfeited by his kinsman, Roger de Mortimer, after the Battle of Mortemer in February of that year. Probably at the same time he acquired lands at Bellencombre, the castle of which became the caput of the Warenne barony in Normandy. In 1066 he was one of the Norman barons summoned by the Duke to a Council on hearing that Harold had been crowned King after the death of the Confessor. He took part in the invasion of England and was present at the Battle of Hastings. He was rewarded with lands in 13 counties (j), including most of the rape of Lewes in Sussex, the manor of Conisborough, co. York, and Castle Acre and a number of holdings in Norfolk. In 1067 he was one of the Norman nobles whom the Conqueror left in England to support his vice-regents, William FitzOsbern and the Bishop of Bayeux. In 1075 he was one of the two chief justiciars who were in charge of England when the Earls of Hereford and Norfolk rebelled and who summoned them to the King's court, and on their refusal crushed the rebellion (b). About 1083-85 he was fighting for the King in Maine (c). In the spring of 1088 he supported William II against the rebels led by the Bishop of Bayeux and the Count of Mortain, and to secure his loyalty he was created, shortly after Easter (16 April) 1088, EARL OF SURREY (e), his immediate successors being styled more usually EARLS DE WARENNE. He was mortally wounded at the siege of Pevensey before the end of May. He founded Lewes priory as a cell of Cluny abbey, about 1078-82.
He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. He married, 2ndly, [----], sister of Richard GUET (living 1098). He died 24 June 1088, apparently from the effect of his wound at Pevensey, at Lewes, and was buried there beside his wife. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(j) Bedford, Bucks, Cambridge, Huntingdon, Lincoln, Oxford, York, Berks, Essex, Hants, Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex.
(b) William was one of those who occupied Norwich castle after its surrender.
(c) He was one of the leaders of an unsuccessful attack on the castle of Ste Suzanne in Jan, year uncertain.
(e) The creation has been ascribed to the Conqueror, but certainly in error. This was the only earldom created before the reign of Stephen of which the holder did not take his title from the county in which lay his chief territorial strength. However, it is likely that with the Earldom he was given lands at Reigate in Surrey.
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[From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families"]
For this identification see Mr. Loyd's paper 'The Origin of the Family of Warenne' in Yorkshire Arch. Journal, vol. xxxi, pp. 97-113. The hamlet of Varenne lies on the river Varenne c. 2 miles S of Arques and c. 13 miles N of Bellencombre. The latter place, arr. Dieppe, cant. Bellencombre, where there was a castle, became the caput of the Warenne honour in Normandy.
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William Warenne was one of those followers of William of Normandy who made their fortunes by the conquest of England. The younger son of Rudulf of Varenne in Normandy, he distinguished himself in ducal service as a very young man in the early 1050s. After the ducal victory at Mortemer (1054) he received estates in upper Normandy, but it was only after the English invasion that he attained the front rank. He fought at Hastings and was rewarded with lands which by 1086 extended into thirteen counties, most notably strategically important estates in Sussex centered round Lewes. By the end of William I's reign he was one of the dozen largest individual landowners in England. He repaid his debt with vigorous loyalty in both England and France. In 1075 he played a leading role in suppressing the revolt of the earls of Hereford and Norfolk. After the Conqueror's death, Warenne supported William Rufus in 1087-88 against Robert Curthose and Odo of Bayeux. Rufus encouraged his service by creating him earl of Surrey in 1088. The same year Warenne was seriously wounded by an arrow in his leg at the siege of Pevensey and died at his foundation of Lewes Priory on 24 June 1088.
Warenne's career was more than meteoric. A younger son of an obscure minor Norman nobleman, he had risen through conspicuous loyalty to his lord to become not only one of the richest men in one of the richest kingdoms of Europe but also the founder of a dynasty which, powerful, wealthy and influential, survived as earl of Surrey until 1347. Warenne's foundation at Lewes (1078/80) was the first Cluniac house in England, another sign of the Conquest's effect on establishing institutional as well as personal links across the Channel. Warenne's success depended on the traditional chivalric virtues of loyalty, bravery and prowess in arms. His life illustrates the stupendous prizes and the personal dangers on offer to those who joined the conquest of England. It was appropriate that Warenne's direct descendent, John De Warenne, Earl of Surrey (1231-1304), when challenged in 1278 by royal commissioners to produce title to his land, produced an old rusty sword declaring, 'Here, my Lord, is my warrant (warrantus: a pun which no doubt appealed to the somewhat intractable sense of honour of the time). My ancestors came with William the Bastard and won their lands with the sword, and by the sword I will hold them against all comers.' Earl John won his case. William of Warenne would have approved. [Who's Who in Early Medieval England, Christopher Tyerman, Shepheard-Walwyn, Ltd., London, 1996]
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William de Warrenne, Earl of Warrenne, in Normandy, a near kinsman of William the Conqueror, came into England with that prince and, having distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, obtained an immense portion of the public spoliation. He had large grants of land in several counties, amongst which were the Barony of Lewes, in Sussex, and the manors of Carletune and Benington, in Lincolnshire. So extensive indeed were those grants that his possessions resembled more the dominions of a sovereign prince than the estates of a subject. He enjoyed, too, in the highest degree, the confidence of the king, and was appointed joint justice-general with Richard de Benefactis for administering justice throughout the whole realm. While in that office, some great disturbers of the public peace having refused to appear before him and his colleague in obedience to citation, the Earl took up arms and defeated the rebels in a battle at Fagadune, when he is said, for the purpose of striking terror, to have cut off the right foot of each of his prisoners. Of those rebels, Ralph Wahir or Guarder, Earl of Norfolk, and Roger, Earl of Hereford, were the ringleaders. His lordship was likewise highly esteemed by King William Rufus, and was created by that monarch Earl of Surrey. He m. Gundred, dau. of the Conqueror*, and had issue, William, Reginald, Gundred-Edith, and another dau. who m. Ernise de Colungis.
This potent noble built the castle of Holt and founded the priory at Lewes, in Sussex. He resided principally at the castle of Lewes, and had besides Castle-Acre, in Norfolk, and noble castles at Coningsburg and Sandal. He d. 24 June, 1088, and Dugdale gives to following curious account of his parting hour. "It is reported that this Earl William did violently detain certain lands from the monks of Ely, for which, being often admonished by the abbot, and not making restitution, died miserably. And, though his death happened very far off the isle of Ely, the same night he died, the abbot lying quietly in his bed and meditating on heavenly things, heard the soul of this earl, in its carriage away by the devil, cry out loudly and with a known and distinct voice, Lord have mercy on me; Lord have mercy on me. And, moreover, that the next day after, the abbot acquainted all the monks in chapter therewith. And likewise, that about four days after, there came a messenger to them from the wife of this earl with 100 shillings for the good of his soul, who told them that he died the very hour that the abbot had heard the outcry. But that neither the abbot nor any of the monks would receive it, not thinking it safe for them to take the money of a damned person. If this part of the story as to the abbot's hearing the noise be no truer than the last, viz., that his lady sent them 100 shillings, I shall deem it to be a mere fiction, in regard the lady was certainly dead about three years before." The earl was s. by his elder son, William de Warenne. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 568, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
* At one time, it was thought that Gundred was the daughter of William the Conqueror. This has since been disproved. For details, see "Early Yorkshire Charters" by C. T. Clay, or "Études sur Quelques Points de l'Historie de Guillaume le Conquérant" by H. Prentout. [Brian Tompsett, Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, University of Hull, Hull, UK, "Electronic," royal01389]
William married Gundred Of FLANDERS 1011,2091,2092 before 1077 in Normandy, France.2091 Gundred was born about 1052 in Ghent, Flanders, died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England (In Childbirth) 2091,2092 about age 33, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. Another name for Gundred was Gundreda De GAND.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Reynold (Rainald) De WARENNE was born about 1075 in Winterbourne, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England and died before 1115 in Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire, England 1789.
iii. Edith (Ediva) De WARENNE Heir Of Mapledurham was born about 1076 in Mapledurham, Oxfordshire, England.
William next married Sister Of Richard GUET 2092 after 1085 in 2ND Wife.2092 Sister was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died after 1098 2092.
32177447805. Gundred Of FLANDERS,415,670,1011,2091,2092 daughter of Gherbod The FLEMING 1st Earl Of Chester and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, was born about 1052 in Ghent, Flanders, died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England (In Childbirth) 2091,2092 about age 33, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. Another name for Gundred was Gundreda De GAND.
General Notes:
Gundred (daughter of Gherbod the Fleming), d. 27 May 1085; m. bef. 1077, William de Warenne, d. Lewes 24 June 1088, created 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolf de Warenne and Beatrice. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: I think that Gundred was daughter of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. He was also advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin of St. Omer (as CP itself indicated-see notes under Gherbod) . As far as I know there is only one Gerbod.
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According to Magna Charta Sureties (and CP in a way), a daughter of Gherbod the Fleming. According to the Plantagenet Ancestry, a daughter of William the Conquerer and Matilda of Flanders. The following discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval illustrates the proof for Gundred being daughter of Matilda, wife of William I, and also the controversy still being debated about her ancestry. I happen to believe that the Lewes Chartulary is not false on the basis that there is no reason for forging a relationship to Queen Maud, but not King William I.
From: Phil Moody ([email protected])
Subject: Re: tombstone of Gundrad, wife of William de Warenne
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-30 21:52:15 PST
"Chris PHILLIPS" wrote"
> There was never any question of Gundred being an illegitimate daughter of
> William I, but rather it was a case of a fraudulent claim that she was a
> legitimate daughter. The reason people used to think that Gundred was a
> daughter of William the Conqueror was because the monks of Lewes forged some
> charters which stated that. But I don't think anyone now seriously maintains
> that these charters are authentic.
>
> Gundred is known to have been a sister of Gerbod, who was briefly earl of
> Chester under William the Conqueror. It's clear they were members of a
> Flemish family who were advocates of St Bertin's Abbey in St Omer, and who
> held Oosterzele and Scheldewindeke, although the genealogy isn't altogether
> clear.
PLM: There is some doubt in my mind, however. Per your earlier assistance to me; I do now have "The Chartulary of the Priory of St. Pancras of Lewes", vol. I, ed. L. F. Salzman, and published by the Sussex Record Society in 1032 [sic?]. There is a lengthy charter by William Warrene nearly six pages in length; so I will not quote it's entirety, but this bit is curious.
Page 3:
"..., I have given for the welfare of my soul and that of Gundrada my wife and for the soul of my lord King William who brought me into England and by whose license I caused the monks to come and who confirmed my former gift, and for the welfare of my lady Queen Maud the mother of my wife and for the welfare of my lord King William his son after whose coming to England I made this charter and who made me Earl of Surrey,..." UNQ
PLM: It is quite clear from this charter, that Gundrada is the daughter of Queen Maud, and the lack of a reference to William I being the father of Gundrada is highly significant. If I were to rely solely on this evidence, I would have to conclude that Gundrada was NOT the daughter of William I at all.
People have referred to forged charters from Lewes, but what is the basis of these assertions, and which references discuss these "supposedly proven forgeries"? The premise of such an accusation appears to be up side down, in relation to the above charter. It seems illogical to forge a document that makes Gundrada the daughter of the Queen, as opposed to the King of England; which would essentially diminish her social standing, instead of elevating it, as most forgeries tend to do?
Cheers,
Phil
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From: Chris PHILLIPS ([email protected])
Subject: Re: tombstone of Gundrad, wife of William de Warenne
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-31 01:54:55 PST
Paul Reed posted a quite detailed summary of the arguments that the charter was spurious, on 11 March 1998, entitled: "Gundred, the Conqueror, and the spurious charter of 1085 (LONG)".
Apart from the internal evidence that the charter has been tampered with, and the existence of a copy of the foundation charter, which doesn't mention Gundred's parentage, in the cartulary of Cluny, the parent house, there are also statements by two other sources that Gundred was the brother of Gerbod. Admittedly these could be circumvented by the suggestion that Gundred was only William's step-daughter, and that Gerbod's father had previously been married to Matilda (although there is no indication elsewhere that this was the case, despite quite a lot of documentation relating to Gerbod's family, and of course to the counts of Flanders).
What clinched the long-running Victorian controversy was the point made by Chester Waters, that when a marriage was proposed between an illegitimate daughter of Henry I and a son of Gundred, it was prohibited on the grounds of a 4th/6th-generation consanguinity. If Gundred had been Matilda's daughter they would have been first cousins, so this, rather than the much more distant relationship, would surely have been mentioned.
Chris Phillips
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From: Linda ([email protected])
Subject: Re: tombstone of Gundrad, wife of William de Warenne
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-31 08:52:44 PST
As with other "proof", I am curious about how conclusive Mr. Waters' arguement is. People being the political animals that they are, it would seem to me that a closer relationship might not be mentioned if it were politically sensitive for some reason. I have no thoughts on what that might be, but Mr. Waters' arguement, while persuasive, still does not seem to me to CONCLUSIVELY prove anything, simply because we cannot possibly know everything was going on in people's minds 1000 years ago (or today, for that matter).
I guess it's my background in math and computers that makes me question these things. It does not seem to me that either side of this controversy has anything that could be considered absolute proof - just circumstantial evidence and theories, all of which can be contested with more theories. There seem to be plenty of sincere and knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue, and I wonder if, barring discovery of new documentation, the issue will ever be resolved. I keep going back to that tombstone - the only piece of evidence that is truly "cast in stone".
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Note: I happen to feel that Chester Water's analysis which invalidates the Chartulary is not altogether conclusive. The fact remains that the marriage WAS invalidated on the grounds of consanguinity; quite possibly for political reasons the church chose a more distant relationship for invalidating the marriage (4th or 6th cousin rather than 1st cousin); the church may not have wanted to emphasize the illegitimacy of Gundred, ancestor of the Warennes, a very powerful family.
Gundred married William De WARENNE 1st Earl Of Surrey 2091,2188 before 1077 in Normandy, France.2091 William was born before 1037 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,2188,2189 died on 24 June 1088 in Lewes, Sussex, England (From Wounds At Siege Of Pevensey) 2091,2188, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England.2188 Another name for William was 01st Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
32177447806. Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy,415,1869,2190,2191 son of Henry I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV, was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
General Notes: Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois
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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems to have the better source, which he gives below in response to a request from Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:
From: Chris Phillips ([email protected])
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST
Runciman on that page, in a chapter on "The Crusades of 1101", describes the Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh: "Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem."
Runciman's sources for this section are "Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp. 579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2". If you'd like to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallica website, in the "Recueil des historiens des croisades series" - put these numbers into the "Recherche libre" field on the search page: N051574 for Albert; N051575 for Ekkehard.
Chris Phillips
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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the story behind the battle which caused Hugh's death:
Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his _History of the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101." On the battle at Heraklea, he says:
"Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time to reform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legends said that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."
Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.
Nat Taylor
Hugh married Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1869,2192,2194 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Adelaide was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777679 i. Emma (Avice) De VERMANDOIS (born in 1075 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France)
ii. Maud (Matilda) De VERMANDOIS was born in 1080 in France.
iv. Constance De VERMANDOIS was born about 1085 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.
v. Agnes De VERMANDOIS was born about 1090 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1125 1994.
vi. Beatrice De VERMANDOIS was born about 1091 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1144 2195.
vii. Raoul I "Le Vaillant" Comte De VERMANDOIS was born about 1093 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died on 14 October 1152 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2196 about age 59. Another name for Raoul was Raoul I "Vaillant" Comte De Vermandois & VALOIS.
32177447807. Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,670,1869,2192,2194 daughter of Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS and Adela De VEXIN, was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
General Notes: Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
Adelaide married Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT,1824,2192 son of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, in 1103 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2192.,2194 Reinald was born about 1080 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France 1824 and died in 1162 1824,2192 about age 82.
Adelaide next married Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy 1869,2190,2191 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Hugh was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
32177449292. Owain Ap EDWIN,415,505,1034,2031 son of Edwin Ap GRONWY and Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN, was born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1105 1034 about age 61.
Owain married Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN.1034 Morwyl was born about 1044 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales.1034
Owain next married Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN.1034 Iwerydd was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177449293. Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN,415,505,1034 daughter of Ednywain I Ap NEINIAD and Gwerful Verch LLUDDICA, was born about 1044 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales.1034
Morwyl married Owain Ap EDWIN 1034.,2031 Owain was born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1105 1034 about age 61.
32177449312. William De AUDLEY Sir,415 son of Gamel De TETTESWORTH The King's Thane and Mottram ANDREWS, was born about 1067 in Audley, Staffordshire, England. Another name for William was William De ALDITHELEY.
William married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088724656 i. Adam De AUDLEY (born about 1088 in Audley, Staffordshire, England)
32177449324. Ralph MONTGOMERY Of Cubley & Snelston,415,592 son of Hugh De MONTGOMERY 2nd Earl Of Shrewsbury and Unknown, was born about 1073 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England and died after 1121 in Ecton, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 24 Nov 2002, by Rosie Bevan:
MONTGOMERY OF CUBLEY. Arms of Montgomery, 13th century - Erm.,on a bordure, gu., twelve horseshoes, arg. ; 14th century and later Or, an eagle displayed, Azure.
1. Traditional pedigrees state that RALPH, the ancestor of the Montgomery family, was holding Cubley, Snelston, Derbyshire and four hides in Ecton, Northamptonshire of Henry de Ferrers in 1086 [VCH Northants v.4 p.123]. Keats-Rohan specifically identifies him as a Montgomery but there is no indication whether descent followed male or female succession. [K.Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, p.598]
"In Cobelei, Siward had two carucates of land taxable. Land for two ploughs. Now in lordship two ploughs. Four villagers, and four smallholders, and one slave, have one plough. There is a priest and a church, and one mill, 12d and eight acres of meadow. Woodland pasture one mile long and one mile broad. Value in king Edward's time 100s. now 40 s. Ralph holds it." [Phillip Morgan (ed.), Domesday Book : Derbyshire, (Phillimore 1978), p.275a]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death Snelston, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England, After 1086. 592
Ralph married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177449328. Richard De MAINWARING Of Warmincham,415 son of Ranulphus De MAINWARING and Unknown, was born about 1065 in Warmingham, Cheshire, England. Another name for Richard was Richard De MASNILWAREN.
General Notes: Richard de Masnilwaren was ancestor of William Manwaring, of Over Peover, who wedded, first, (in 1366), Catherine, daughter of John Belgrave, of Belgrave in Cheshire, and secondly, Clementia Cotton, but had no issue. He d. in 1399 was was s. by his half-brother, John Manwaring, of Over Peover, who m. about 13 Richard II [1390] Margaret, daughter and heir of Sir John Stafford, of Wigham, and widow of Sir John Warren, of Pointon, in Cheshire, but had no issue by her. John d. in 1410, and was s. by his brother, Randle Manwaring, of Over Peover, who m. Margery, widow of Richard Buckley, of Chedhill, in Cheshire, and daughter of Hugh Venables, Baron of Kinderton. [John Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, 2nd Edition, Scott, Webster, and Geary, London, 1841, p. 334]
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Ranulphus was succeeded by his son, Richard de Mesnilwaren, whose great grandson, Sir Raufe Manwaringe, kt. was justice of Chester, (temp. Richard I). Sir Raufe married Amicia, daughter of Hugh Kyvelioc, Earl Palatine of Cheshire. [John Burke, History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, R. Bentley, London, 1834-1838, p. 590, Mainwaring, of Whitmore]
Richard married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088724664 i. Mr MAINWARING Of Warmincham (born about 1100 in Warmingham, Cheshire, England)
32177455184. Toret De WROXETER & Eaton 415,505,910 was born about 1060 in Wroxeter, Atcham, Shropshire, England and died after 1110 in Eaton Constantine, Atcham, Shropshire, England. Another name for Toret was Toret De WROCHECESTRIA.
General Notes: Probably the same person as "Toret de Wrochecestria of Shopshire" identified by Domesday People (p. 428). [Gordon Kirkemo]
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According to Larry & Kathy McCurdy, World Connect db=:1908887, Toret was a Lord of Wroxeter, Eaton, Norton, Langley, Lee, and Rodington, both before and after the conquest.
Toret married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177455460. Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN,415,2112,2197 son of Lambert II "Baudry" Count Of LOUVAIN and Oda Of LORRAINE, was born about 1021 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France 2197 and died before 1079 2197.
Henry married Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA 2112.,2197 Adelaide was born about 1031 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany and died after 1086 2197. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Von BETUWE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Henry III Count Of LOUVAIN was born about 1050 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died from 5 February 1094 to 1095 about age 44.
16088727730 ii. Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant (born about 1060 in Brabant, Lorraine, France - died on 25 January 1139-1140 in Jerusalem, Israel)
iii. Ida De LOUVAIN was born in 1063 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 1139 2112,2198 at age 76. Another name for Ida was Ida De BRABANT.
32177455461. Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA,415,2112,2197 daughter of Eberhard Count Of BETEAU and Unknown, was born about 1031 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany and died after 1086 2197. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Von BETUWE.
Adelaide married Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN 2112.,2197 Henry was born about 1021 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France 2197 and died before 1079 2197.
32177455462. Otto II Comte De CHINY,1886,2199,2200 son of Arnold II Comte De CHINY and Adelaide (Adela) De MONTDIDIER, was born about 1065 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 28 March 1125 1886,2199,2200 about age 60.
Otto married Ermendgarde 2200 in 1st Wife.2200 Ermendgarde was born about 1065 in France and died before 1083.
Otto next married Adelaide (Adelheid\Alix) De NAMUR 1886,2199,2201 in 1083 in 2ND Wife.2200 Adelaide was born in 1068 in Oizy, Namur, Belgium 2199,2201 and died after 30 September 1124 1886,2199,2201.
Children from this marriage were:
16088727731 i. Ida De Chiny & NAMUR (born about 1083 in Namur, Belgium - died before 1122)
ii. Albert I Comte De CHINY was born in 1090 in Chiny, Luxemburg 2202 and died after 29 September 1162 2202.
32177455463. Adelaide (Adelheid\Alix) De NAMUR,670,1886,2199,2201 daughter of Albert III Comte De NAMUR and Ida Billung Of SAXONY, was born in 1068 in Oizy, Namur, Belgium 2199,2201 and died after 30 September 1124 1886,2199,2201.
Adelaide married Otto II Comte De CHINY 1886,2199,2200 in 1083 in 2ND Wife.2200 Otto was born about 1065 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 28 March 1125 1886,2199,2200 about age 60.
32177456400. Ralph De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore,415,2059,2203 son of Roger De MORTIMER and Hawise De VEXIN, was born about 1058 in Saint-Victor-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 5 August 1104 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England 2059,2203.
General Notes: RALPH DE MORTIMER, son and heir [of Roger by Hawise], succeeded his father before 1086, when he appears in Domesday Book as tenant in chief in twelve counties. His possessions lay largely in Herefordshire and Shropshire, Wigmore in the former county being the caput of the honour. Both Wigmore and Cleobury, in Shropshire, had belonged to William FitzOsbern, Earl of Hereford, and the grant must therefore have been later than the forfeiture of William's son Roger in 1074. He attested a notification by William I between 1078 and 1087. On 30 March 1088 he witnessed a grant made by his man Ralph FitzAnseré to the abbey of Jumiegès. In that year he, Bernard de Neufmarché, and Roger de Lacy, at the head of a large body of English, Norman and Welsh fighting men, attacked Worcester with the avowed intention of burning the town and pillaging the church. The Bishop's men marched out and defeated them on the other side of the Severn. In 1089 he was one of the barons of Eastern Normandy who sided with William Rufus against Robert Curthose, but between 1091 and 1095 he is found (at Lisieux) witnessing with Duke Robert a charter for Jumièges. He made a grant to the monks of Worcester with the assent of his sons (unnamed) and his men. In 1104. he adhered to Henry I against Duke Robert. This is the last mention found of him, and the date of death is unknown.
He married, 1stly, Melisande, who was dead before 30 March 1088, and, 2ndly, Mabel (g). [Compete Peerage IX:267-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(g) Stephen, Count of Aumale, by a charter circa 1100, with the consent of Hawise his wife and of Ralph de Mortimer her father, granted the church of Airaines (Somme) of the inheritance of Ralph and Hawise to the priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs, Paris, mentioning Melisande, Ralph's deceased wife. The charter of 30 Mar 1088 referred to above is subscribed 'Signum Radulfi Filii Rogeri Morte maris Signum Mabilie uxoris eius'. Hawise was clearly the daughter of Melisande; and as she must have been born before 1088, Melisande would be Ralph's first wife. William, brother of Hugh, witnesses his charter for Saint-Victor, but he occurs low in the list of witnesses and was probably illegitimate. There is no evidence as to which wife was mother of Hugh.
Note: It seems that most people on SGM assume that Hugh is the son by the 2nd wife.
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Ralph de Mortimer, the presumed son of Roger de Mortimer, accompanying the Duke of Normandy in his expedition against England, was one of his principal commanders at the decisive battle of Hastings; and shortly after, as the most puissant of the victor's captains, was sent into the marches of Wales to encounter Edric, Earl of Shrewsbury, who still resisted the Norman yoke. This nobleman, after much difficulty and a long siege in his castle of Wigmore, Mortimer subdued and delivered into the king's hands, when, as a reward for his good service, he obtained a grant of all Edric's estates and seated himself thenceforward at Wigmore. Independently of these great Welsh territorial possessions, Ralph Mortimer enjoyed, by the bounty of his royal master, sundry lordships and manors in other parts of the realm which he held at the time of the general survey. In the beginning of Rufus' reign, Mortimer took part with Curthose, but he subsequently changed sides and, being constituted general of the forces sent by King Henry I to oppose that prince in Normandy, he totally routed the enemy and brought Curthose prisoner to the king. This gallant person m. Millicent, dau. of ---, by whom he had issue, Hugh, his successor; William, Lord of Chelmhersh, and afterwards of Netherby; Robert, ancestor of the Mortimers, of Richard's Castle; and Hawise, m. to Stephen, Earl of Albemarle. He was s. by his son, Hugh de Mortimer. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 382-3, Mortimer, Barons Mortimer, of Wigmore, Earls of March]
Ralph married Millicent (Melisande) De FERRERS,2059,2203 daughter of Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir and Bertha De L' AIGLE, in 1st Wife.2203 Millicent was born about 1064 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France and died before 30 March 1088 2203.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Hawise De MORTIMER was born before 1088 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England 2204 and died in 1189 2059.
Ralph next married Mabel 2203 before 30 March 1088 in 2ND Wife.2203 Mabel was born about 1066 in England.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728200 i. Hugh De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore (born about 1090 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England - died between 1148 and 1150)
32177456401. Mabel 415,2203 was born about 1066 in England.
Mabel married Ralph De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore 2059,2203 before 30 March 1088 in 2ND Wife.2203 Ralph was born about 1058 in Saint-Victor-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 5 August 1104 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England 2059,2203.
32177456404. Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux,415,1022,2007 son of Ranulph Vicomte Of BESSIN and Alice Of NORMANDY, was born about 1050 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after April 1089 in Lord Of Cumberland & Carlisle, England 2008.
Ranulph married Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester 1022,2009 about 1069 in Normandy, France. Margaret was born about 1054 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France.
32177456405. Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester,415,1022,2009 daughter of Richard Le GOZ Viscount D'avranches and Emma De CONTEVILLE, was born about 1054 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France.
Margaret married Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux 1022,2007 about 1069 in Normandy, France. Ranulph was born about 1050 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after April 1089 in Lord Of Cumberland & Carlisle, England 2008.
32177456406. Robert De RUMILLY Lord Of Skipton-In-Craven,415,1896,1897,2205 son of Rainfray De RUMILLY and Unknown, was born about 1056 in Remilly (Near St Lo), Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1096 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England 1897 about age 40. Another name for Robert was Robert De RUMELLI Lord Of Harewood.
Robert married Muriel.2206 Muriel was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died before 1094 2206.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Lucy De RUMILLY was born about 1090 in Oilly Basset, Normandy, France and died after 1132 2206. Another name for Lucy was Lucy De AULNAY.
16088728203 ii. Cecily De RUMILLY Heiress Skipton & Harewood (born about 1092 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England - died before 1155)
32177456407. Muriel 415,2206 was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died before 1094 2206.
Muriel married Robert De RUMILLY Lord Of Skipton-In-Craven 1896,1897.,2205 Robert was born about 1056 in Remilly (Near St Lo), Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1096 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England 1897 about age 40. Another name for Robert was Robert De RUMELLI Lord Of Harewood.
32177456408. Robert De FERRERS 1st Earl Of Derby,415,1674 son of Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir and Bertha De L' AIGLE, was born about 1062 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 was christened in Chartley Holme, Stafford, Staffordshire, England, and died in 1139 in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England 1674,2207 about age 77. Other names for Robert were 01st Earl Of DERBY Robert De Ferrieres, and Robert De FERRIERES 1st Earl Of Derby.2207
General Notes: EARLDOM OF DERBY (I) 1138
ROBERT DE FERRIERES, 3rd son, succeeded to the greater part of his father's possessions in England (c). He was one of the commanders at the Battle of the Standard, in August 1138, and was, for his services, created Earl of Derby by King Stephen, shortly afterwards. He married Hawise, daughter of André, Seigneur de Vitré in Brittany, by Agnes, daughter of Robert, Count of Mortain. He died in 1139. [Complete Peerage IV:191, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) . . . The lands in Normandy were eventually inherited by Henry de Ferrieres, his nephew (son and heir of one of his brothers, Engenulf or William). Henry, who was living in 1136, held Oakham, co. Rutland, and Lechlade, co. Gloucester (a manor held by his grandfather Henry at the Domesday Survey). He was father of Walkelin, who was father of (1) Henry, Seigneur de Chambres in 1202, (2) Hugh, of Lechlade, who dsp. in 1204, having m. Margaret, daughter and heir of Hugh de Say of Richard's Castle, and (3) Isabel (d. before 31 May 1252), who m., 1stly, Roger de Mortemer of Wigmore (d. 24 June 1214), and 2ndly, Piers fitz Herbert of Blaen Llyfni (d. 1 June 1235). Isabel inherited Lechlade, and also Oakham, which her eldest brother, Henry, had lost at the time of the conquest of Normandy. Henry was the ancestor of the seigneurs of Ferrieres and Chambrais, the last of whom, Jean, dspm. in 1504. A custom quite recently existed that a peer of the realm, the first time he passed through Oakham, should give a horse-shoe to be nailed upon the castle-gate; a toll or privilege dating, no doubt, from the time of the ancient lords of that town.
Note: Most people on the internet have Robert being christened at "Charterley, Staffs". If he was born in 1062, it was certainly in Normandy; perhaps he was christened in England after 1066. Since there is no Charterley (any where, let alone in Staffordshire), they must be referring to the area of the town now known as Chartley Holme in Staffs (nearby Chartley Castle wasn't built until 1220 by Ranulph Blundeville, Earl of Chester). There were Ferrers who were Lords of Chartley later on, but that family received Chartley through the marriage of William de Ferrers, 4th Earl of Derby, to Agnes of Chester, sister & heir of Ranulph Blundeville (Ranulph died without issue), so Chartley Castle was not inherited from the Ferrers of this period.
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Robert de Ferrers, having contributed, at the head of the Derbyshire men, to King Stephen's victory over King David of Scotland at Northallerton (commonly called the battle of the Standard), was created by that monarch Earl of Derby. By Hawise his wife, he had William who d. s. p.; Robert his successor; Walcheline, of Okeham; Isolda, m. to Stephen de Beauchamp; and Maud, m. to Bertram de Verdon. The earl d. in 1139 and was s. by his son, Robert de Ferrers, as 2nd Earl of Derby. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 196, Verdon, Earls of Derby]
Robert married Hawise De VITRE Countess Of Derby 1674.,2207 Hawise was born about 1069 in Vitre, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.389,390
Children from this marriage were:
i. Miss De FERRERS Heiress Of Greenham was born about 1115 in Greenham, Newbury, Berkshire, England.
32177456409. Hawise De VITRE Countess Of Derby,415,1673,1674,2207 daughter of Andre I Seigneur De VITRE and Agnes De MORTAGNE, was born about 1069 in Vitre, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.389,390
General Notes:
He [Robert de Ferrieres] married Hawise, daughter of André, Seigneur de Vitré in Brittany, by Agnes, daughter of Robert, Count of Mortain. He died in 1139. [Complete Peerage IV:191, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Hawise married Robert De FERRERS 1st Earl Of Derby.1674 Robert was born about 1062 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 was christened in Chartley Holme, Stafford, Staffordshire, England, and died in 1139 in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England 1674,2207 about age 77. Other names for Robert were 01st Earl Of DERBY Robert De Ferrieres, and Robert De FERRIERES 1st Earl Of Derby.2207
32177456410. William "The Younger" PEVEREL Of Nottingham,415,1900 son of William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham and Adeline, was born in 1080 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England and died in 1155 in Bourn, Cambridgeshire, England at age 75.
General Notes: Complete Peerage, Appendix I.
William Peverel the younger, one of the principal supportors of KING STEPHEN, was a commander at the Battle of the Standard and was taken prisoner at the Battle of Lincoln. His estates were forfeited for a time, and his castle of Nottingham was committed by THE EMPRESS [MAUD] to William Paynel. He recovered it in 1143. His wives were Odonna and AVICE DE LANCASTRIA, who was presumably a daughter of Count Roger the Poitevin (cognomine Pictaviensis), Lord of the honour of Lancaster, by his wife Aumodis, Countess of La Marche. He had a son Henry, and a daughter, Margaret, eventually, or in her issue, his heir, and a wife of Robert, Earl of Ferrers.
About March 1152/3 HENRY, Duke of Normandy [the future King HENRY II] and count of Anjou, by a charter expedited at Devizes, formulated what he was prepared to give to [RANULF DE GERNON] the Earl of Chester, as the price of his support; not indeed, even to the half of the kingdom, but yet no inconsiderable portion of it. It ought to be unnecessary to have to state that these extensive grants never took effect. Nine months afterwards, in Dec. 1153, THE EARL died, poisoned, as men said, by William Peverel.
Shortly after his accession to the throne, KING HENRY II visited Nottinghamshire, in order, as the annalists state, to disinherit William Peverel for having poisoned THE EARL, but more probably to punish him for what had previously been termed his wickedness and treason. William, on THE KING's approach, retired to one of his religious foundations where he became a monk. The honor of Peverel remained in the Crown for nearly half a century. [Complete Peerage, Appendix I, pp. 762-5 (English/non-Latin portion of text)]
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The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
of Nottingham, the younger; one of the chief supporters of King Stephen [Ref: Watney #779]
1137: a commander at the battle of The Standard [Ref: Watney #779]
Peverel, William. Perhaps illegitimate son of William I by his mistress; took name of Peverel from stepfather who married her. Large holdings in Notts. and Derby. Also in 6 other counties. [Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]
Of Willelm Peurel (sic) de Nottingham, Keats-Rohan has this to say: Norman, major tenant-in-chief centred upon Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. There is no direct evidence of any relationship with Ranulf Peverel . . . but it is highly likely that they were related and possibly quite closely. . . . By his wife Adeline he had issue two sons named William of whom one predeceased him and a daughter Adeliz . . . died 1113/4 . . . on the honour of Peverel see HKF i, 146ff. [Honors and Knights' Fees, W. Farrer, 3 vols, Manchester, 1923-5] [Ref: Renia Simmonds <[email protected]> 18 Mar 2002 message to Gen-Medieval]
[Note: the above text from CP, Appendix I (as transcribed by Jim Stevens) was attached here, with several omissions and mistakes. I have corrected the text to agree with what is stated in CP and placed it above.]
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Derby, p. 192), identifies him as MARGARET's father. [Ref: Jim Stevens: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jast/index.html] Note: I have removed Jim's "RIN" (ID #'s) from the above & there are several sentences that may have been miscopied/reworded as they don't make sense = see where I have added (sic)... Curt
Regards,
Curt
William married Oddona 1900 in 1st Wife.1900 Oddona was born about 1085 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England and died before 1112.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Richard PEVERELL Of Ermynton, Sir was born about 1110 in Ermington, Plympton St Mary, Devonshire, England.
William next married Avice De LANCASTER 1900 about 1112 in 2ND Wife.1900 Avice was born in 1088 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England and died in 1149 at age 61.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert PEVEREL Of Bourn was born about 1113 in Bourn, Cambridgeshire, England.
16088728205 ii. Margaret PEVEREL (born about 1118 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England)
32177456411. Avice De LANCASTER,415,670,1900 daughter of Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche and Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE, was born in 1088 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England and died in 1149 at age 61.
Avice married William "The Younger" PEVEREL Of Nottingham 1900 about 1112 in 2ND Wife.1900 William was born in 1080 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England and died in 1155 in Bourn, Cambridgeshire, England at age 75.
32177456412. Philip Baron De BRAOSE Sir,415,998,1905,2208,2209 son of William I Baron De BRAOSE Sir and Agnes De ST. CLAIR, was born in 1075 in Bramber, Sussex, England and died in 1112 in Holy Land, Palestine at age 37.
General Notes: Philip confirmed his father's gifts to the abbey of St Florent in 1096. He was the first Braose Lord of Builth and Radnor, their initial holding in the Welsh Marches. Philip returned from the 1st Crusade in 1103. He built the Norman Church of St Nicolas at Old Shoreham and founded the port of New Shoreham. His lands were confiscated by Henry I in 1110, due to his traitrous support of William, son of Robert Curthose, but they were returned in 1112. Philip de Braose went on 2nd Crusade and died in Palestin.
Philip confirmed the gifts of his nephew, Philip de Harcourt, to the newly established Knights Templar. Philip de Harcourt, Bishop of Bayeux, bestowed the manor and church of Shipley on the Templars between 1125 and 1130 and in 1154 added St Mary's, Sompting.
See St Nicolas, Old Shoreham
Philip married Aenor De TOTNES 998,1905,2208.,2209 Aenor was born in 1084 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. Another name for Aenor was Aenor De TOTNAIS.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Maud De BRAOSE was born in 1105 in Bramber, Sussex, England and died from before 20 March 1200 to 1201 in Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, England.
32177456413. Aenor De TOTNES,415,998,1905,2208,2209 daughter of Juhel (Jukel\Judeal) De TOTNES & Barnstaple and Miss De PICQUIGNY, was born in 1084 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. Another name for Aenor was Aenor De TOTNAIS.
General Notes: The following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann, [email protected] (note that in an earlier post to SGM, which I source, John Ravilious does not have Aenor as her first name.):
ID: I00494 Aenor de Totnes
Note: some records list her, her father & gf as: Toteneis
Aenor de Totnes coheiress of her father: from the holdings of her descendants, it is evident these included Barnstaple and Totnes, Devon (or a moiety thereof) [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003 msg to SGM]
Regards,
Curt
Aenor married Philip Baron De BRAOSE Sir 998,1905,2208.,2209 Philip was born in 1075 in Bramber, Sussex, England and died in 1112 in Holy Land, Palestine at age 37.
32177456414. Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford,415,1330,2210,2211,2212 son of Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester and Emma De BALLON, was born in 1092 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 24 December 1143 in Shot While Hunting In Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England 2211,2212,2213 at age 51, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Miles was 3rd\1St Earl Of HEREFORD Miles Fitzwalter.
General Notes: In 1141, during the struggle between the Empress Maud and Stephen I for the throne the former conferred the Earldom of Hereford on Miles of Gloucester, so-called from his father being hereditary Constable of the shire. Only two years earlier the new Earl had supported Stephen, but it has been suggested that he went over to the Empress's in part because his overlord, the Earl of Gloucester, was one of Henry I's many bastard sons, hence Maud's half brother. (Her generous gifts to Miles of land, houses, and castles, in addition to the Earldom, may have helped win him over.) [Burke's Peerage]
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William II "Rufus" King of England granted the lordship of "Over Gwent" which included a castle at the mouth of the Genny where it joins the Usk, probably some time after 1088 to one Hamelin de Ballon, so called from his having been born at Ballon, in Maine. Subsequent holders of Over Gwent or Abergavenny included the 1st and 2nd Earls of Hereford of the 1141 creation and the 2nd Earl's four younger brothers, for all of whom a shadowy family connection with Hamelin de Ballon has been claimed, though this is very hard, if not impossible, to sustain. [Burke's Peerage (page 12) on the history of Abergavenny:]
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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (III) 1141-2
Miles of Gloucester, hereditary sheriff thereof, and the King's Constable, son and heir of Walter fitz Roger de Pitres, who held the former office. He was created Earl of Hereford, 25 Jul 1141. He m. 1121, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Bernard de Neufmarche, Lord of Brecon, and d. 24 Dec 1143. [Complete Peerage I:20]
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EARLDOM OF HEREFORD (III, 1) 1141
MILES of GLOUCESTER, son and heir (apparently only son) of WALTER OF GLOUCESTER, hereditary Sheriff of Gloucester and probably constable, received from Henry I in 1121 Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHÉ, in marriage, with all the lands of her father and mother after their death or before if they so willed it, whence came the lordship of Brecknock. By charter dated at Rouen he was confirmed in all his father's lands held in chief with the office of constable. He accounted for Gloucestershire and Staffordshire in 1130-1. At the coming of Stephen he was one of the great magnates of the West of England, and after joining him received 2 charters, granting to him and his heirs his whole bonour of Gloucester and of Brecknock and all his lands and holdings in shrievalties and other things as he held them at the death of Henry I the second, which is more precise, mentions the constableship of Gloucester Castle. He attended the Easter Court of 1136 and witnessed Stephen's Charter of Liberties, as constable. He was present at the siege of Shrewsbury in 1138, but joined the Empress on her arrival in I I 39, recciving her at Bristol "ut dominam," and taking her to Gloucester, where he did homage and received from her the castle of St. Briavell's and the whole Forest of Dean. He accompanied her to Winchester, to Reading, where he acted as her constable, and to London in 1141. At St. Albans, where she received a deputation from London, she had granted to him a house in Westminster which had belonged to Gregory, dapifer. He accompanied her in her flight to Gloucester, and was with her subsequently at Oxford, where on 25 July 1141 she created him EARL OF HEREFORD. After this creation at the request of Brien FitzCount and of Maud de Wallingford, his wife, she granted to him and his heirs the castle of Abergavenny and all the honour thereof to be held of the said Brien and Maud and their heirs in fee by the service of 3 knights' fees.
He married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered into religion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Miles married Sybil De NEUFMARCHE 2210,2212 between April and May 1121 2211,2212.,2213 Sybil was born before 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales, died after 1143 in (As A Nun) 2211, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Roger Fitzmiles Of GLOUCESTER 2nd Earl Hereford was born about 1122 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1155 in (Dsp, As A Monk) 2212 about age 33. Another name for Roger was 4th\2Nd Earl Of HEREFORD Roger Of Gloucester.
ii. Walter Of HEREFORD 5th Lord Of Abergavenny was born about 1124 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died after 1159 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dsp) 2209.
iv. Henry Of HEREFORD 6th Lord Of Abergavenny was born about 1128 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died before April 1163 in Arnold Castle Near Abergavenny (Dsp, Slain) 2209, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
16088728207 v. Bertha De GLOUCESTER Heiress Of Brecon (born about 1130 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England)
vi. Mahel Of HEREFORD 7th Lord Of Abergavenny was born about 1133 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died from after January 1163 to 1164 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dsp) 2209, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
vii. William Of HEREFORD 8th Lord Of Abergavenny was born about 1136 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died before 1166 in Bronllys Tower, Breconshire, Wales (Dsp) 2209.
viii. Lucy Of HEREFORD was born about 1142 in Bwlch Y Dinas, Brecknockshire, Wales, died after 1219 in Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, Wales 2210, and was buried in Chapter House Of Llanthony, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.
32177456415. Sybil De NEUFMARCHE,415,2210,2212 daughter of Bernard De NEUFMARCHE Lord Of Brecon and Nesta Verch OSBORN, was born before 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales, died after 1143 in (As A Nun) 2211, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
General Notes: He [Miles of Gloucester] married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered into religion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Sybil married Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford 1330,2210,2211,2212 between April and May 1121 2211,2212.,2213 Miles was born in 1092 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 24 December 1143 in Shot While Hunting In Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England 2211,2212,2213 at age 51, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Miles was 3rd\1St Earl Of HEREFORD Miles Fitzwalter.
32177456432. Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer,415,1778,1874,2214,2215,2216,2217 son of Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER Seigneur De Vieilles and Aubreye De LA HAYE Heir Of Forest Of Brotonne, was born about 1022 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,2215 died about 1094 in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk) 2214 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France.
General Notes: Roger de Beaumont; Seigneur (feudal Lord) of Beaumont, Pontaudemer, Brionne and Vatteville, Normandy; married Adeline, sister of Hugh Count of Meulan and daughter by his 1st wife of Waleran Count of Meulan. [Burke's Peerage]
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The well-known Roger de Beaumont held Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, in 1086; it descended to the counts of Meulan through Roger's eldest son, Robert count of Meulan. That Roger took his name from Beaumont is a part of the general history of Normandy. It follows that Roger's descendants, the counts of Meulan, the Earls of Leicester, and the Earls of Warwick, all derive from Beaumont-le-Roger. [The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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ROGER DE BEAUMONT (de Bello Monte), SEIGNEUR of BEAUMONT AND PONT-AUDEMER, was eldest son of Humphrey. He appears to have remained faithful to the young Duke William during the disturbances of the earlier part of his reign, in the course of which he defeated and slew Roger de Tosny. He is said to have furnished 60 ships for the invasion of England. He did not accompany the expedition, but remained in Normandy as the principal adviser of the Duchess Maud, to whom the government of the duchy was entrusted. In 1071 the King committed Morcar as a prisoner to his custody. Up to the year 1082 he constantly appears as a witness to the charters of William the Conqueror. At the -time of the Domesday Survey, 1086, he held land in Dorset and co. Gloucester. About 1088 he founded the collegiate church of the Holy Trinity at Beaumont-le-Roger for canons of St. Frideswide of Oxford. He was a benefactor of St. Pierre-de-Préaux and of St. Wandrille.
He married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter of Waleran, COUNTS OF MEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at the Abbey of Préaux. He died some years later, and was buried there with his father. [Complete Peerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Roger married Adeline De MEULAN 1874,2214,2216,2217 in 1040 in Ile DE France, France. Adeline was born about 1014 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1081 in Sturminster Marshal, Dorsetshire, England about age 67. Another name for Adeline was Adeline De MEULLANT.
Children from this marriage were:
32177456433. Adeline De MEULAN,415,1874,2214,2216,2217 daughter of Waleran III Count Of MEULAN and Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE, was born about 1014 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1081 in Sturminster Marshal, Dorsetshire, England about age 67. Another name for Adeline was Adeline De MEULLANT.
General Notes: He [Roger de Beaumont] married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter of Waleran, COUNTS OF MEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at the Abbey of Préaux. He died some years later, and was buried there with his father. [Complete Peerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeline married Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer 1778,1874,2214,2215,2216,2217 in 1040 in Ile DE France, France. Roger was born about 1022 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,2215 died about 1094 in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk) 2214 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France.
32177456464. Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 415,635,1403,1404,1405 was born before 1035 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France,1405 died in May 1089 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England 1406,1407, and was buried in Priory Of St Neot, Cambridgeshire, England. Another name for Richard was 01st Lord Of CLARE Richard De Clare.
General Notes: Richard Fitz Gilbert; also known as "de Bienfaite" (from the quantity of his fiefs [so states BP, but CP states Richard was lord of Bienfate & Orbec in Normandy]), "de Clare" or "de Tonbridge" (from actual fiefs); went with his cousin William I the Conqueror to England and was granted 176 Lordships, 95 of them associated with the Honour (feudal unit of administration) of Clare, Suffolk, and others with Tonbridge, Kent. [Burke's Peerage]
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Observations. In the times of the Heptarchy the border fortress of Clare (Suffolk), on the confines of the Kingdoms of East Anglia and Essex, was of the greatest importance, and continued to be so or many centuries afterwards, when, it was granted by the Conqueror to Richard FitzGilbert. FitzGilbert's successors the earlier Lords of Clare were, "it is implied in the Lords' Reports [vol. iii, p. 124] and elsewhere, styled Earls of Clare before they were Earls of Hertford, but investigation disproves this," though doubtless, these Lords, after they obtained that Earldom, were according to the usage of the period, frequently styled "Earls of Clare," just as the Earls of Derby were styled "Earls Ferrers," &c. On account of the great importance of these feudal Barons, the earlier Lords of Clare, so frequently considered to have been actual Peers, a short account of them is subjoined, as under.
HOLDERS OF THE HONOUR OF CLARE (I) temp. William I
RICHARD FITZGILBERT, styled (from his possessions) " DE BIENFAITE," "DE CLARE," and "DE TONBRIDGE, was son of Gilbert, COUNT OF BRIONNE in Normandy, which Gilbert was son and heir of Godfrey, COUNT OF BRIONNE, illegitimate son of Richard, DUKE OF NORMANDY. He was born before 1035, was Lord of Bienfaite and Orbec in Normandy, accompanied his kinsman, William the Conqueror, into England, and was rewarded by him with no less than 176 Lordships, of which 95 were in Suffolk, attached to the Honour of Clare, which honour,, with the Castle of Clare, as also the Castle of Tonbridge in Kent, he obtained, becoming thus Lord of Clare and of Tonbridge. During the King's absence he was joint Chief justiciar, and, as such, suppressed the revolt of 1075.
He married Rohese, daughter of Walter GIFFARD, the elder, and aunt and heir of Walter [GIFFARD], 2nd Earl of Buckingham, through which match his descendants became co-heirs to the lands of that family. He was living 1081, but appears to have died about 1090 being buried at St. Neots, co. Huntingdon. His widow was living, as such, 1113. [Complete Peerage III:242, XIV:183, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Richard FitzGilbert, having accompanied the Conqueror into England, participated in the spoils of conquest and obtained extensive possessions in the new and old dominions of his royal leader and kinsman. In 1073 we find him joined under the designation of Ricardus de Benefacta, with William de Warren, in the great office of Justiciary of England, with whom, in three years afterwards, he was in arms against the rebellious lords Robert de Britolio, Earl of Hereford, and Ralph Waher, or Guarder, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk, and behaved with great gallantry. But afterwards, at the time of the General Survey, which was towards the close of William's reign, he is called Ricardus de Tonebruge, from his seat at Tonebruge (now Tunbridge) in Kent, which town and castle he obtained from the archbishop of Canterbury in lieu of the castle of Brion, at which time he enjoyed thirty-eight lordships in Surrey, thirty-five in Essex, three in Cambridgeshire, with some others in Wilts and Devon, and ninety-five in Suffolk, amongst those was Clare, whence he was occasionally styled Richard de Clare, and that place in a few years afterwards becoming the chief seat of the family, his descendants are said to have assumed thereupon the title of Earls of Clare. This great feudal lord m. Rohese, dau. of Walter Giffard, Earl of Buckingham, and had issue, Gilbert, his successor, Roger, Walter, Richard, Robert, a dau. m. to Ralph de Telgers, and a dau. mo. to Eudo Dapifer. Richard de Tonebruge, or de Clare, whose is said to have fallen in a skirmish with the Welsh, was s. by his eldest son, Gilbert de Tonebruge. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 118, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1090. 1404,1405
Richard married Rohese GIFFARD 1404,1405.,1408 Rohese was born about 1036 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1113 1405.
32177456465. Rohese GIFFARD 415,1404,1405,1408 was born about 1036 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1113 1405.
General Notes: He [Richard FitzGilbert de Clare] married Rohese, daughter of Walter GIFFARD, the elder, and aunt and heir of Walter [GIFFARD], 2nd Earl of Buckingham, through which match his descendants became co-heirs to the lands of that family. He was living 1081, but appears to have died about 1090 being buried at St. Neots, co. Huntingdon. His widow was living, as such, 1113. [Complete Peerage III:242, XIV:183, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1133. 1407
Rohese married Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 635,1403,1404.,1405 Richard was born before 1035 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France,1405 died in May 1089 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England 1406,1407, and was buried in Priory Of St Neot, Cambridgeshire, England. Another name for Richard was 01st Lord Of CLARE Richard De Clare.
32177456466. Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT,415,670,2218,2219,2220 son of Renaud De CREIL Chamberlain Of Clermont and Ermengardis Of CLERMONT, was born in 1030 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1101 2221 at age 71. Another name for Hugh was Hugh De CREIL Comte De Clermont.
General Notes: Hugues, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Margaret, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF Rouci and MONTDIDIER. [Complete Peerage]
Hugh married Margaret De ROUCY 2218,2219,2220 about 1080.2221 Margaret was born in 1045 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1110 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 65.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Richilde De CREIL was born in 1060 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Richilde was Richilde De CLERMONT.
ii. Ermentrude De CLERMONT was born about 1066 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France.
16088728233 iii. Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT (born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France)
iv. Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT was born about 1080 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France 1824 and died in 1162 1824,2192 about age 82.
32177456467. Margaret De ROUCY,415,670,2218,2219,2220 daughter of Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY, was born in 1045 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1110 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 65.
General Notes: Margaret, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF Rouci and MONTDIDIER. [Complete Peerage]
Margaret married Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT 2218,2219,2220 about 1080.2221 Hugh was born in 1030 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1101 2221 at age 71. Another name for Hugh was Hugh De CREIL Comte De Clermont.
32177456480. Robert BIGOD Of Avranches 415,1097,1924,2222 was born about 1036 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France 1924 and died in 1071 about age 35.
General Notes: The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
said to have been related to Richard D'AVRANCHES, father of Hugh, Earl of Chester [Ref: CP IX:575(b)]
The first person who, bearing the name of Bigod or Bigot, appears in history is Robert le Bigod, a poor knight, who gained the favour of William, Duke of Normandy, by discovering to him the intended treachery of William, count of Martain. This Robert may have been the father of Roger, and one or the other, or both, may have been present at the battle of Hastings. He may also be the same mentioned as holding lands at Malitot, Loges, and Chanon in Normandy, and as serving the duke in his household as one of his seneschals. He was small of body, but brave and bold, and assailed the English gallantly. [Ref: DNBiography II:484]
FWIW, if you go to Keats-Rohan's PROSOPON at
http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/dbase.stm
a (sample) chart of the COEL database also indicates a dau Matilda Bigod who m. Hugo de Hosdenc & had a son Humfrid Bigod.
Regards,
Curt
Robert married Miss De ST. SAUVEUR 1924,2222 about 1060. Miss was born about 1036 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France. Another name for Miss was Miss De ST. SAVEUR.
The child from this marriage was:
32177456481. Miss De ST. SAUVEUR,415,1924,2222 daughter of Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1036 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France. Another name for Miss was Miss De ST. SAVEUR.
Miss married Robert BIGOD Of Avranches 1097,1924,2222 about 1060. Robert was born about 1036 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France 1924 and died in 1071 about age 35.
32177456482. Robert De TOENI Lord Of Belvoir,415,605,1927 son of Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI and Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA, was born about 1030 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 4 August 1088 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England 605 about age 58, and was buried in Evesham Abbey, Worcestershire, England.
General Notes: Robert [de Toeni], called de Stafford; held by 1086 nearly 70 manors in Staffs, more than 25 in Warwicks, more than 20 in Lincs, 10 in Oxon, one in Worcs and one in Northants; built what later became known as Belvoir Castle; allegedly married Avice de Clare, and died probably 1088. [Burke's Peerage]
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Even though BP, above states that they are the same person, there is no definite proof either way. One person in soc.genealogy.medieval has speculated that Robert of Belvoir was son of Roger de Toeni by his Spanish 1st wife, while Robert de Stafford was a younger son by his 2nd wife Godheut. It makes sense to me, which is why I have portrayed my pedigree that way.
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Amongst the most distinguished companion in arms of the Conqueror was Robert de Todeni, a nobleman of Normandy, upon whom the victorious monarch conferred, with numerous other grants, an estate in the county of Lincoln upon the borders of Leicestershire. Here de Todeni erected a stately castle and, from the fair view it commanded, gave it the designation of Belvoir Castle, and here he established his chief abode. At the time of the General Survey, this powerful personage possessed no less than eighty extensive lordships, viz., two in Yorkshire, one in Essex, four in Suffolk, one in Cambridge, two in Hertfordshire, three in Bucks, four in Gloucestershire, three in Bedfordshire, nine in Northamptonshire, two in Rutland, thirty-two in Lincolnshire, and seventeen in Leicestershire. "of this Robert," saith Dugdale, "I have not seen any other memorial than that the Coucher-Book of Belvoir recordeth: which is, that bearing a venerable esteem to our sometime much celebrated protomartyr, St. Alban, he founded near to his castle a priory for monks and annexed it as a cell to that great abbey in Hertfordshire, formerly erected by the devout King Offa in honour of that most holy man." Robert de Todeni, Lord of Belvoir, d. in 1088, leaving issue by his wife Adela, William, who assumed the surname of Albini; Berenger; Geoffrey; Robert; and Agnes. He was s. by his eldest son, William de Albini, Brito, Lord of Belvoir. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 160, Daubeney, Barons Daubeney, Earl of Bridgewater]
Note: Robert was father of Adeliza, who married Roger Bigod and had Cecily, who married William de Albini. William did succeed Robert as Lord of Belvoir, but as a grandson-in-law, not as a son as Sir Bernard Burke states in "Dormant & Extinct Peerages" above.
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The following information was in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Robert de Tosny. Founder of Belvoir Castle. Holdings in 13 counties from Herts. north. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Robert de Todeni, one of the Norman barons who came into England in 1066 as a standard bearer of Duke William, was the founder of this renowned, ancient family. For his distinguished services at Hastings, the victorious monarch rewarded him with the eight lordships he possessed in twelve counties at the time of the first General Survey of England. On one of his estates in Lincolnshire, near the border of Leicestershire, he erected a castle which he named Belvoir, from its commanding position, and this became his chief seat. He died in 1088, leaving by his wife, Adela, a son, William. [Ref: McBride2 citing Wurts Vol I p39-42]
Robert de TOSNY, of Belvoir. Died About 1093. Held Belvoir, Leics, at the Domesday Survey. Robert was related to the Tosnys of Flamstead but it is not known for certain what this relationship was. It is highly likely that he was the son of the Roger (see ID 5134) who married Stephanie of Barcelona as he had a brother and a son both named 'Berengar'. [Ref: Richard Borthwick 14 Jul 1999 citing Keats-Rohan Domesday People I:164, 380-381, Sanders p12]
Research note 1: father: Raoult de Toeni or Tosny, Castellan of Tillieres Castle (ancestry unk). [Ref: Turton] (caveat emptor)
Reseach note 2: The father of Robert de Todeny/Toeny of Belvoir is subject to much speculation, but no direct evidence. [Ref: TAF 31 Mar 2002] note: 'yet' should be the last word in that sentence... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Robert married Adeliza Di SAVONA in 1st Wife. Adeliza was born about 1052 in Savona, Genoa, Italy and died before 1075 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Agnes De TOENI was born about 1074 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France.
32177456483. Adeliza Di SAVONA,415 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1052 in Savona, Genoa, Italy and died before 1075 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England.
Adeliza married Robert De TOENI Lord Of Belvoir 605,1927 in 1st Wife. Robert was born about 1030 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 4 August 1088 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England 605 about age 58, and was buried in Evesham Abbey, Worcestershire, England.
32177456484. Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire 415,741,899,1929,2223,2224 was born before 1040 in Ver, Manche, Normandy, France,741,2223,2224 died in 1112 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England 741,2224, and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
General Notes: In 1086 Aubrey de Ver, the ancestor of the Earls of Oxford, in addtion to his tenancies-in-chief in several counties, was an under-tenant of Geoffrey bishop of Coutances in Kensington, Middlesex, and two places in Northamptonshire. This indicates that his place of origin was Ver (as indicated), which is 18 kil. South of Coutances and not Ver in the Bessin. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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Alberic/Aubrey de Ver (a place in the Cotentin Peninsula, Normandy), probably himself a Norman; b. by 1040; by the Domesday Survey held numerous manors, chiefly in Cambs, Essex, and Suffolk--Hedingham, Essex being the chief one, but also in Hunts, Middx (including Cheniston, now Kensington) and Northants; references to him as Chamberlain occur c1110; founded Earl's Colne Priory, Essex, where he and many of his descendants are burried; Sheriff Berks by 1106; married Beatrice and died probably 1112. [Burke's Peerage]
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AUBREY DE VERE I was almost certainly a Norman who derived his name from Ver in the Côtentin and probably had connexions with the adjoining duchy of Brittany. He was born probably before 1040. The Conqueror granted him, with other lands, the great estates of an English thegn named Wulfwine in Essex, Suffolk, and Cambridge. In 1084 he attested a royal charter for Lessay as Aubrey the Chamberlain. In 1086 he held in chief 14 estates in Essex, with 2 houses and 3 acres in Colchester, 9 estates Suffolk, 7 in Cambs, and 2 in Hunts. He also held Kensington in Middlesex and two properties in Northants of the Bishop of Coutances, land in Hunts of the Abbey of Ramseyand land in two places in Essex of Count Alan of Brittany. The head of his barony was at (Castle) Hedingham in Essex, where he had planted a vineyard. It is usually assumed that he is identical with, and not the father of, the Aubrey de Vere who attested a writ at Westminster (September 1102 to Easter 1103 and a charter for Abingdon (1101-06). Not later than 1106 he was acting as sheriff of Berkshire, being styled simply Aubrey. Within the next few years he was acting as a justice in Northants, being styled Aubrey the Chamberhiln, and as sheriff of Berkshire, being styled Aubrey de Berkshire. At the dying request of his eldest son, not later than 1106, he gave Abingdon Abbey his church of Kensington with its appurtenances and 2 hides and 1 yardland; but as he resided mostly in Essex, he founded a priory at Earls Colne as a cell of Abingdon. He seems to have held 1 1/2 knights' fees of the Abbey of St. Edmund. He married Beatrice, whose parentage is unknown. He died before 1113 (almost certainly in 1112), at Colne Priory, and was buried with his wife in the church there. [Complete Peerage X:194-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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The following post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected], certainly puts doubts as to the validity of the ancestry I have for Alberic/Aubrey.
At present I am starting this line with Aubrey de Vere I (d. 1088) & Beatrice. Appendix J in vol. x of "Complete Peerage" even more conservatively indicates that there is no proof that this Aubrey of the Conquest is father of the great chamberlain. There may have been one or more intervening Aubreys. [Ref: Alan B. Wilson <[email protected]> 14 Mar 1996 message to soc.genealogy.medival]
The parentage of Alberic/Aubrey de Vere is unknown. He was not son of Alfonso de Ghesnes, the confusion coming from a later Vere/Ghesnes marriage. [Ref: TAF 19 Apr 1998]
FWIW, the following is from Paul McBride's website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f042.htm
The first mention of the De Veres is in the General Survey of England, made by William the Conqueror, wherein the name of Alberic de Vere is stated.
Alberic (Aubrey I.) de Vere, Count Aubrey, "Sanglier," married before 1139 (sic) Beatrix of Ghisnes, Countess of Ghisnes in her own right, and daughter of Henry, Count of Ghisnes, and his wife Sibylla. Alberic possessed numerous lordships in different shires, of which Cheniston (now Kensington), co. Middlesex, was one, and Hedingham, co. Essex, where his castle was situated, and where he chiefly resided, another. The first mention of the De Veres is in the General Survey of England, made by William the Conqueror, wherein the name of Alberic de Vere is stated. He and his wife had five sons: 1. Alberic de Vere, 2. Geoffrey de Vere, 3. Roger de Vere, 4. Robert de Vere, 5. William de Vere. Alberic assumed the cowl in his later days, and died a monk in 1088; he was buried in the church of Colne Priory, which he founded. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Alberic.
McBride cites: Burke's p549-550, CP X:193-219, Wurts, p127-132. Note, he does not identify which of the numerous Burke's publications he cited.
Regards,
Curt
Note: The marriage between Aubrey/Alberic & Beatrix of Ghisnes noted above is the grandson Aubrey III who married Beatrice de Gand. These people are in my file.
Aubrey married Beatrice 741,1929.,2224 Beatrice was born about 1045 in Bourboucy, France and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777697 i. Alice De VERE (born about 1070 in Hedingham, Essex, England)
ii. Miss De VERE was born about 1075 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England.
32177456485. Beatrice 415,741,1929,2224 was born about 1045 in Bourboucy, France and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
Beatrice married Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire 741,899,1929,2223.,2224 Aubrey was born before 1040 in Ver, Manche, Normandy, France,741,2223,2224 died in 1112 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England 741,2224, and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
32177456486. Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir,415,677,1409,1755,1912 son of Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Rohese GIFFARD, was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
General Notes: Gilbert, feudal Lord of Clare, Suffolk and Cardigan, whose father Richard was son of the Count of Brionne, of an illegitimate line of the Dukes of Normandy). [Burke's Peerage]
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HOLDERS OF THE HONOUR OF CLARE (II) 1090 ?
GILBERT FITZRICHARD, styled also DE CLARE and DE TONBRIDGE, Lord of Clare, &c., son who succeeded to the English possessions of his father [a]. He was born before 1066, and was founder of the Priory at Clare, 1090. By Henry I he was granted, 1107-1111, the Lordship of Cardigan.
He married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Built the first castles at Cardigan and Aberystwyth in Wales.
[a] His brother Roger FitzRichard [living 1130] inherited the lands in Normandy. This Roger, who possibly was the oldest son, died s.p.
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Gilbert de Tonebruge, who resided at Tonebruge and inherited all his father's lands in England, joined in the rebellion of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland, but observing the king (William Rufus) upon the point of falling into an ambuscade, he relented, sought pardon, and saved his royal master. We find him subsequently, however, again in rebellion in the same reign and fortifying and losing his castle at Tunbridge. He m. in 1113, Adeliza, dau. of the Earl of Cleremont, and had issue, Richard, his successor, Gilbert, Walter, Hervey, and Baldwin. Gilbert de Tonebruge, who was a munificent benefactor to the church, was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Gilbert m. Adeliza, dau, of the Earl of Claremont, and was father of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, and Gilbert de Clare, created Earl of Pembroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 230, Giffard, Earls of Buckingham]
Gilbert married Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT 1409,1912,1913,1914 in 1st Husband.1409 Adeliza was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
32177456487. Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT,415,670,1409,1912,1913,1914 daughter of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
General Notes: There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. See notes under Adeliz le Meschin, wife of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare.
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He [Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare] married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeliza married Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 677,1409,1755,1912 in 1st Husband.1409 Gilbert was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
Adeliza next married Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY 1409,1920,1921 after 1124 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1409.,1914 Bouchard was born about 1073 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 2 January 1131 to 1132 1922 about age 58.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1124. 1921
32177456504. Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir,415,677,1409,1755,1912 son of Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Rohese GIFFARD, was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
General Notes: Gilbert, feudal Lord of Clare, Suffolk and Cardigan, whose father Richard was son of the Count of Brionne, of an illegitimate line of the Dukes of Normandy). [Burke's Peerage]
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HOLDERS OF THE HONOUR OF CLARE (II) 1090 ?
GILBERT FITZRICHARD, styled also DE CLARE and DE TONBRIDGE, Lord of Clare, &c., son who succeeded to the English possessions of his father [a]. He was born before 1066, and was founder of the Priory at Clare, 1090. By Henry I he was granted, 1107-1111, the Lordship of Cardigan.
He married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Built the first castles at Cardigan and Aberystwyth in Wales.
[a] His brother Roger FitzRichard [living 1130] inherited the lands in Normandy. This Roger, who possibly was the oldest son, died s.p.
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Gilbert de Tonebruge, who resided at Tonebruge and inherited all his father's lands in England, joined in the rebellion of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland, but observing the king (William Rufus) upon the point of falling into an ambuscade, he relented, sought pardon, and saved his royal master. We find him subsequently, however, again in rebellion in the same reign and fortifying and losing his castle at Tunbridge. He m. in 1113, Adeliza, dau. of the Earl of Cleremont, and had issue, Richard, his successor, Gilbert, Walter, Hervey, and Baldwin. Gilbert de Tonebruge, who was a munificent benefactor to the church, was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Gilbert m. Adeliza, dau, of the Earl of Claremont, and was father of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, and Gilbert de Clare, created Earl of Pembroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 230, Giffard, Earls of Buckingham]
Gilbert married Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT 1409,1912,1913,1914 in 1st Husband.1409 Adeliza was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
32177456505. Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT,415,670,1409,1912,1913,1914 daughter of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
General Notes: There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. See notes under Adeliz le Meschin, wife of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare.
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He [Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare] married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeliza married Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 677,1409,1755,1912 in 1st Husband.1409 Gilbert was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
Adeliza next married Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY 1409,1920,1921 after 1124 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1409.,1914 Bouchard was born about 1073 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 2 January 1131 to 1132 1922 about age 58.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1124. 1921
32177456506. Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester,415,505,670,905,1873,1874,1877 son of Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer and Adeline De MEULAN, was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
General Notes: Robert de Beaumont; allegedly 1st Earl of Leicester of the c1102 creation. [Burke's Peerage]
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On Leicester, Earldom of [Burke's Peerage, p. 1671]:
Robert de Beaumont, a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) at Hastings was granted after the Conquest much land in the Midlands of England, but most of it was in Warwickshire rather than Leicestershire. Indeed his younger brother became Earl of Warwick. Robert also held territory in Normandy and is usually referred to as Count of Meulan. He was a leading political figure in the reigns of William II and Henry I and on the death of one Ives de Grandmesnil in the First Crusade, the funds for campaigning in which Ives had raised from Robert on the security of his estates, [Robert] came into full possession of them, including a sizeable part of Leicester. The rest of the town was granted him by Henry I and it is possible that he became Earl of Leicester.
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EARLDOM OF LEICESTER (I) 1107 ?
ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OF BEAUMONT, PONT-AUDEMER, BRIONNE AND VATTEVILLE in Normandy, and from 1081 COUNT OF MEULAN in the French Vexin, son and heir, born circa 1046. When very young he accompanied Duke William to England and distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, and received large grants of lands in co. Warwick, with smaller holdings in cos. Leicester, Northants, and Wilts. On 14 July 080, as Robert de Bellomonte, he witnessed the foundation charter of Lessay, and next year he inherited from his mother's family the comté of Meulan. Thereafter he is continuously styled Count (Comes) of Meulan. After the death of the Conqueror he adhered to William Rufus, and was high in favour at his court. He quarrelled with Robert of Normandy about the castellanship of Brionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by his father. He was imprisoned, but was released at the intercession of his father Roger, who eventually succeeded in obtaining Brionne in fee. He succeeded to the greater part of his father's lands in Normandy, including Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Vatteville and Brionne. This paternal inheritance, added to his French comté and his great possessions in cos. Warwick and Leicester, made him one of the most powerful vassals of the Crown. He became one of the chief lay ministers of William Rufus, with whom he sided against Robert Courtheuse in 1098, and when William invaded the French Vexin in 1097 he received his troops in his fortresses of the comté of Meulan. After the death of William Rufus he became one of the chief advisers of Henry I. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil on Crusade, Robert retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to him circa 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, the whole of which was later granted to him by the King. Robert thus added largely to his already vast possessions. In 1104 he was one of the Norman barons who adhered to Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present in the King's army at Tenchebrai, 28 September 1106. In 1110 he was besieged at Meulan by Louis VI, who took the castle by storm, but in the following year he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. After obtaining the whole town of Leicester he is said to have become EARL OF LEICESTER, but, being already Count of Meulan, was never so styled. There is no contemporary record that he had the third penny of the pleas of the county, but he doubtless acquired, with the Grandmesnil fief, the third penny of the issues of the Mint at Leicester.
He married, in 1096, Isabel, called also Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DE CREPl, called Hug "le Grand," COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died 5 June 1118, and was buried with his ancestors in the chapter house of Préaux (c). His widow married, very shortly after his death, William (DE WARINNE), EARL OF SURREY. [Complete Peerage VII:523-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Robert had three sons and five daughters. The sons were Waleran and Robert, twins born in 1104, and Hugh. Waleran, the eldest, succeeded to the Norman and French fiefs, and the English lands held by his grandfather, Roger de Beaumont in 1086. Robert succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester and Hugh is said to have been created Earl of Bedford. The names of only four of the daughter appear to be known--Adeline, Aubreye, Maud and Isabel or Elizabeth. Adeline m. Hugh IV Seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle. Aubreye m. Hugh II Seigneur of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais. Maud m. William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri and Breval. Isabel, also called Elizabeth, was mistress of Henry I, and m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1049. 1874
Robert married Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS 531,1869,1871,1872,1873 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Isabel was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
32177456507. Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS,415,505,531,670,1869,1871,1872,1873 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
General Notes: Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef July 1147, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. 1869
Isabel married Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester 905,1873,1874,1877 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Robert was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
Isabel next married William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey 531,1416,1585,1868 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 William was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
32177456508. Donnchadh Macmurchada King Of DUBLIN,415,2225 son of Murchadh Na LEINSTER and Sadb MAC BRICC, was born about 1055 in Leinster, Ireland and died on 8 December 1115 in Killed In Battle With Domnall Ua Briain 2225 about age 60.
Donnchadh married Orlaith MAC BRANAIN.1935 Orlaith was born in 1080 in Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728254 i. Diarmait Macmurchada King Of LEINSTER (born in 1100 in Leinster, Ireland - died on 1 January 1170-1171 in Ferns, Leinster, Ireland)
32177456509. Orlaith MAC BRANAIN,415,1935 daughter of Gilla-Michil MAC BRANAIN and Iuchdelb Hui GAIRBITA, was born in 1080 in Ireland.
Orlaith married Donnchadh Macmurchada King Of DUBLIN.2225 Donnchadh was born about 1055 in Leinster, Ireland and died on 8 December 1115 in Killed In Battle With Domnall Ua Briain 2225 about age 60.
32177456510. Muirchertach Ua Tuathail O'TOOLE,415,1935 son of Gillachomhghalli O'TOOLE and Unknown, was born in 1089 in Leinster, Ireland.
Muirchertach married Inghin O'BYRNE. Inghin was born in 1094 in Leinster, Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728255 i. More O'TOOLE (born in 1114 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 1191)
32177456511. Inghin O'BYRNE 415 was born in 1094 in Leinster, Ireland.
Inghin married Muirchertach Ua Tuathail O'TOOLE.1935 Muirchertach was born in 1089 in Leinster, Ireland.
32177456546. Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford,415,1330,2210,2211,2212 son of Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester and Emma De BALLON, was born in 1092 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 24 December 1143 in Shot While Hunting In Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England 2211,2212,2213 at age 51, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Miles was 3rd\1St Earl Of HEREFORD Miles Fitzwalter.
General Notes: In 1141, during the struggle between the Empress Maud and Stephen I for the throne the former conferred the Earldom of Hereford on Miles of Gloucester, so-called from his father being hereditary Constable of the shire. Only two years earlier the new Earl had supported Stephen, but it has been suggested that he went over to the Empress's in part because his overlord, the Earl of Gloucester, was one of Henry I's many bastard sons, hence Maud's half brother. (Her generous gifts to Miles of land, houses, and castles, in addition to the Earldom, may have helped win him over.) [Burke's Peerage]
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William II "Rufus" King of England granted the lordship of "Over Gwent" which included a castle at the mouth of the Genny where it joins the Usk, probably some time after 1088 to one Hamelin de Ballon, so called from his having been born at Ballon, in Maine. Subsequent holders of Over Gwent or Abergavenny included the 1st and 2nd Earls of Hereford of the 1141 creation and the 2nd Earl's four younger brothers, for all of whom a shadowy family connection with Hamelin de Ballon has been claimed, though this is very hard, if not impossible, to sustain. [Burke's Peerage (page 12) on the history of Abergavenny:]
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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (III) 1141-2
Miles of Gloucester, hereditary sheriff thereof, and the King's Constable, son and heir of Walter fitz Roger de Pitres, who held the former office. He was created Earl of Hereford, 25 Jul 1141. He m. 1121, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Bernard de Neufmarche, Lord of Brecon, and d. 24 Dec 1143. [Complete Peerage I:20]
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EARLDOM OF HEREFORD (III, 1) 1141
MILES of GLOUCESTER, son and heir (apparently only son) of WALTER OF GLOUCESTER, hereditary Sheriff of Gloucester and probably constable, received from Henry I in 1121 Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHÉ, in marriage, with all the lands of her father and mother after their death or before if they so willed it, whence came the lordship of Brecknock. By charter dated at Rouen he was confirmed in all his father's lands held in chief with the office of constable. He accounted for Gloucestershire and Staffordshire in 1130-1. At the coming of Stephen he was one of the great magnates of the West of England, and after joining him received 2 charters, granting to him and his heirs his whole bonour of Gloucester and of Brecknock and all his lands and holdings in shrievalties and other things as he held them at the death of Henry I the second, which is more precise, mentions the constableship of Gloucester Castle. He attended the Easter Court of 1136 and witnessed Stephen's Charter of Liberties, as constable. He was present at the siege of Shrewsbury in 1138, but joined the Empress on her arrival in I I 39, recciving her at Bristol "ut dominam," and taking her to Gloucester, where he did homage and received from her the castle of St. Briavell's and the whole Forest of Dean. He accompanied her to Winchester, to Reading, where he acted as her constable, and to London in 1141. At St. Albans, where she received a deputation from London, she had granted to him a house in Westminster which had belonged to Gregory, dapifer. He accompanied her in her flight to Gloucester, and was with her subsequently at Oxford, where on 25 July 1141 she created him EARL OF HEREFORD. After this creation at the request of Brien FitzCount and of Maud de Wallingford, his wife, she granted to him and his heirs the castle of Abergavenny and all the honour thereof to be held of the said Brien and Maud and their heirs in fee by the service of 3 knights' fees.
He married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered into religion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Miles married Sybil De NEUFMARCHE 2210,2212 between April and May 1121 2211,2212.,2213 Sybil was born before 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales, died after 1143 in (As A Nun) 2211, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
32177456547. Sybil De NEUFMARCHE,415,2210,2212 daughter of Bernard De NEUFMARCHE Lord Of Brecon and Nesta Verch OSBORN, was born before 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales, died after 1143 in (As A Nun) 2211, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
General Notes: He [Miles of Gloucester] married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered into religion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Sybil married Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford 1330,2210,2211,2212 between April and May 1121 2211,2212.,2213 Miles was born in 1092 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 24 December 1143 in Shot While Hunting In Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, England 2211,2212,2213 at age 51, and was buried in Llanthony Without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Miles was 3rd\1St Earl Of HEREFORD Miles Fitzwalter.
32177456548. David I "The Saint" King Of SCOTLAND King Of Scotland,415,417,505,642,670,775,903,1027,1169,1411,1415,1416,2226,2227,2228 son of Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND and St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland, was born about 1065 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390,1416,1418 died on 24 May 1153 in Carlisle Castle, Carlisle, Cumberland, England 389,390,1416,1418 about age 88, and was buried in Abbey, Scone, Perth, Scotland.389,390
General Notes:
David I (b. c. 1082--d. May 24, 1153, Carlisle, Cumberland, Eng.), one of the most powerful Scottish kings (reigned from 1124). He admitted into Scotland an Anglo-French (Norman) aristocracy that played a major part in the later history of the kingdom. He also reorganized Scottish Christianity to conform with continental European and English usages and founded many religious communities, mostly for Cistercian monks and Augustinian canons.
The youngest of the six sons of the Scottish king Malcolm III Canmore and Queen Margaret (afterward St. Margaret), David spent much of his early life at the court of his brother-in-law King Henry I of England. Through David's marriage (1113) to a daughter of Waltheof, earl of Northumbria, he acquired the English earldom of Huntingdon and obtained much land in that county and in Northamptonshire. With Anglo-Norman help, David secured from his brother Alexander I, king of Scots from 1107, the right to rule Cumbria, Strathclyde, and part of Lothian. In April 1124, on the death of Alexander, David became king of Scots.
David recognized his niece, the Holy Roman empress Matilda (died 1167), as heir to Henry I in England, and from 1136 he fought for her against King Stephen (crowned as Henry's successor in December 1135), hoping thereby to gain Northumberland for himself. A brief peace made with Stephen in 1136 resulted in the cession of Cumberland to David and the transfer of Huntingdon to his son Earl Henry. David, however, continued to switch sides. While fighting for Matilda again, he was defeated in the Battle of the Standard, near Northallerton, Yorkshire (Aug. 22, 1138). He then made peace once more with Stephen, who in 1139 granted Northumberland (as an English fief) to Earl Henry. In 1141 David reentered the war on Matilda's behalf, and in 1149 he knighted her son Henry Plantagenet (afterward King Henry II of England), who acknowledged David's right to Northumberland.
In Scotland, David created a rudimentary central administration, issued the first Scottish royal coinage, and built or rebuilt the castles around which grew the first Scottish burghs: Edinburgh, Stirling, Berwick, Roxburgh, and perhaps Perth. As ruler of Cumbria he had taken Anglo-Normans into his service, and during his kingship many others settled in Scotland, founding important families and intermarrying with the older Scottish aristocracy. Bruce, Stewart, Comyn, and Oliphant are among the noted names whose bearers went from northern France to England during the Norman Conquest in 1066 and then to Scotland in the reign of David I. To these and other French-speaking immigrants, David granted land in return for specified military service or contributions of money, as had been done in England from the time of the Conquest. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
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Upon the death of Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton, David, son of Malcolm III, King of Scotland, had m. the deceased earl's widow, the Countess Maud, under the especial sanction of King Henry I. This nobleman succeeded to the Scottish throne on the decease of Alexander, his elder brother, in 1124, and, invading England, was met upon the border by King Stephen, when their differences were amicable adjusted. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 468, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
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on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:
After Earl Simon's [Matilda's 1st husband] death, his Widow married David I of Scotland, who consequently became Earl of Huntingdon too, keeping the Earldom even after he succeeded his brother as King of Scots. He sided with the Empress Maud against Stephen I but came to terms with the latter and made the Earldom over to his son Henry. [Burke's Peerage]
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Earl of Huntingdon. United Alba with Strathclyde. Earl of Northampton. Popularly reputed as a Saint, his feast day is 24th May. [Brian Tompsett, Directory of Royal Genealogical Data - http://www.dcs.hull.oc.uk/public/royal]
Noted events in his life were:
• Unknown: King of Scotland, 1124-1153, , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. 390,417
• Unknown: Earl of Huntingdon, , , Huntingdonshire, England. 390,417
David married Matilda De HUNTINGDON 1411,1414,1415,1416 in 1113 in 2ND Husband.1413 Matilda was born in 1072 in Huntington, Huntingdonshire, England 1413,1414 and died on 23 April 1131 in Scotland 1413 at age 59. Another name for Matilda was Maud Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd husband, 1100. 1416
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd husband, 1100. 1416
32177456549. Matilda De HUNTINGDON,415,505,670,1411,1414,1415,1416 daughter of Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon & NORTHUMBERLAND and Judith Of LENS, was born in 1072 in Huntington, Huntingdonshire, England 1413,1414 and died on 23 April 1131 in Scotland 1413 at age 59. Another name for Matilda was Maud Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
General Notes: He [Simon de St Liz] married, perhaps as early as 1090 when she would be aged about 18, Maud, eldest daughter of Waltheof, EARL OF HUNTINGDON and NORTHAMPTON, by Judith, niece of William I. He died, as aforesaid, at La Charité presumably in 1111 or shortly afterwards. His widow married DAVID I of Scotland. [Complete Peerage VI:640-1]
Matilda married Simon I De ST. LIZ Earl Of Huntingdon,1411,1412,1413 son of Ranulph "The Rich" de ST. LIZ and Judith, about 1090 in Huntingdonshire, England 1413.,1414 Simon was born about 1046 in Normandy, France and died in 1111 in Priory Of La Charite-Sur-Loir, Nievre, France 1412,1413 about age 65. Another name for Simon was Simon I De SENLIS Earl Of Northampton.
Matilda next married David I "The Saint" King Of SCOTLAND King Of Scotland 903,1027,1411,1415,1416 in 1113 in 2ND Husband.1413 David was born about 1065 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390,1416,1418 died on 24 May 1153 in Carlisle Castle, Carlisle, Cumberland, England 389,390,1416,1418 about age 88, and was buried in Abbey, Scone, Perth, Scotland.389,390
32177456550. William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey,415,505,531,670,1416,1585,1868 son of William De WARENNE 1st Earl Of Surrey and Gundred Of FLANDERS, was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
General Notes: EARLDOM OF SURREY (II) 1088
WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) II, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir by 1st wife, usually styled EARL DE WARENNE. In 1090 he fought in Normandy against Robert de Belléme (afterwards 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury), who was supported by Duke Robert. Shortly after 1093 he sought unsuccessfully to marry Maud, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland. He was with Henry I at Windsor on 3 September 1101, but later in that autumn he went with Duke Robert to Normandy and supported him against the King, who confiscated his inheritance in England; however, in 1103 the Duke induced Henry to restore his English Earldom. In 1106 he commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was at a Great Council at Nottingharn; and in 1110 he was a surety for the performance of the treaty with the Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the nobles sitting in judgement in Normandy. He commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Brémule in 1119 (l). In 1131 he attended the Council at Northampton. He was present at the death of Henry I on 1 December 1135 at Lyons-la-Foret; after which the councillors put him in charge of the district of Rouen and the pays de Caux. Later he went to England, and he was at Westminster with Stephen at Easter 1136. He was probably still living in June 1137. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous benefactions, to the abbeys of St. Evroul and St. Amand (Rouen), and the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Wymondham, Longueville and Bellencombre. Henry I had proposed to marry William to one of his illegitimate daughters, but on Archbishop Anselm's objection this match was abandoned on the ground of affinity. William eventually married Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118) (c), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. He died probably 11 May 1138 and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory (g). She died probably before July 1147 (h). [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
(l) He had encouraged Henry to fight when William (de Tancarville) the Chamberlain urged him to retreat. His alleged speech to the King before the battle is given in "Chron. Men de Hida", pp. 316-7.
(c) According to Henry of Huntingdon [their daughter Ada's husband], the death of Isabel's 1st husband was hastened by an (unnamed) Earl carrying her off, by force or fraud. The truth of this is open to question.
(g) He left 3 sons: William - 3rd Earl, Ralph, and Rainald, ancestor of the Warennes of Wormegay; and 2 daughters: (1) Gundred, who m. 1st Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick; 2ndly, (as his 2nd wife), William de Lancaster; (2) Ada, who m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, s. of David I, King of Scotland, by whom she was mother of Malcolm IV and William the Lion, Kings of Scotland.
(h) Before her son William, 3rd Earl, went on crusade in June 1147.
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This nobleman, William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 2nd Earl of Surrey, joined Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, in favour of Robert Curthose against Henry I, and in consequence forfeited his English earldom and estates, but those were subsequently restored to him and he was ever afterwards a good and faithful subject to King Henry. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, by whom he had issue, William, Reginald, Ralph, Gundred, and Adeline. The earl d. 11 May, 1138, and was s. by his eldest son, William de Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
William married Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS 531,1869,1871,1872,1873 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 Isabel was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
32177456551. Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS,415,505,531,670,1869,1871,1872,1873 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
General Notes: Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef July 1147, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. 1869
Isabel married Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester 905,1873,1874,1877 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Robert was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
Isabel next married William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey 531,1416,1585,1868 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 William was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
32177456558. Henry Earl Of HUNTINGDON Prince Of Scotland,415,505,670,903,1411,1416,1419,1938 son of David I "The Saint" King Of SCOTLAND King Of Scotland and Matilda De HUNTINGDON, was born in 1114 in Scotland 1415 and died on 12 June 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1411,1415,1416,1419 at age 38. Another name for Henry was Henry Prince Of SCOTLAND Earl Of Huntingdon.
General Notes: on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:
After Earl Simon's [Matilda's 1st husband] death, his Widow married David I of Scotland, who consequently became Earl of Huntingdon too, keeping the Earldom even after he succeeded his brother as King of Scots. He sided with the Empress Maud against Stephen I but came to terms with the latter and made the Earldom over to his son Henry. Henry swore fealty to Stephen but subsequently fought against him under the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St Liz's son, another Simon, being recognized as Earl of Huntingdon before Henry's death in 1152. [Burke's Peerage]
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Henry, son of the said David, King of Scotland, on condition of swearing allegiance to Stephen, had the Earldom and honour of Huntingdon, with the borough of Doncaster and Carlisle as an augmentation thereto. He was in such high estimation with King Stephen that, upon that monarch's solemn celebration of the feast of Easter, he placed the Earl of Huntingdon on his right hand, which gave such displeasure to the nobility then present that William Corbois, or Corbel, Archbishop of Canterbury, Ranulph, Earl of Chester, and several others withdrew from court. He m. Ada, sister of William, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, and had issue, Malcolm and William, successively Kings of Scotland, David, Ada, m. to Floris, Earl of Holland, and Margaret, m. to Conan le Petit, Earl of Brittany. The earl d. in 1153, a little before his father, and, upon his decease, Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Northampton, was restored to the Earldom of Huntingdon. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 468, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1110. 1416
Henry married Ada De WARENNE 1416,1419,1939 in 1139.1415 Ada was born about 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England and died in 1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1416,1419 about age 56.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1134. 1416
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1134. 1416
32177456559. Ada De WARENNE,415,505,670,1416,1419,1939 daughter of William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England and died in 1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1416,1419 about age 56.
Ada married Henry Earl Of HUNTINGDON Prince Of Scotland 903,1411,1416,1419,1938 in 1139.1415 Henry was born in 1114 in Scotland 1415 and died on 12 June 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1411,1415,1416,1419 at age 38. Another name for Henry was Henry Prince Of SCOTLAND Earl Of Huntingdon.
32177456560. Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh VI "Le Diable" Sire De LUSIGNAN and Ildegarde (Hildegarde) De THOUARS, was born about 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died from after 2 February 1150 to 1151 1948.
Hugh married Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA.1948 Sarazine was born about 1095 in Armenia and died in 1144 about age 49.
32177456561. Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA 1948 was born about 1095 in Armenia and died in 1144 about age 49.
Sarazine married Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN.1948 Hugh was born about 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died from after 2 February 1150 to 1151 1948.
32177456562. Geoffrey III De RANCON Seigneur Taillebourg,1948,2229 son of Geoffrey II De RANCON and Fosulegic, was born about 1090 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died about 1148 in Taillebourg, Charente-Maritime, Saintonge/Poitou-Charentes, France 2229 about age 58.
Geoffrey married Amanjeu D' ALBRET. Amanjeu was born about 1095 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177456563. Amanjeu D' ALBRET was born about 1095 in France.
Amanjeu married Geoffrey III De RANCON Seigneur Taillebourg 1948.,2229 Geoffrey was born about 1090 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died about 1148 in Taillebourg, Charente-Maritime, Saintonge/Poitou-Charentes, France 2229 about age 58.
32177456564. Adhemar (Aymar) IV Vicomte De LIMOGES 415,670,1833 was born about 1110 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1148 1833 about age 38.
Adhemar married Marguerite De TURENNE 1529,1830 in 1st Husband.1833 Marguerite was born about 1120 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died after 1201.
32177456565. Marguerite De TURENNE,415,670,1529,1830 daughter of Raymond I Vicomte De TURENNE and Mathilde (Maud) Du PERCHE, was born about 1120 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died after 1201.
Marguerite married Adhemar (Aymar) IV Vicomte De LIMOGES 1833 in 1st Husband.1833 Adhemar was born about 1110 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1148 1833 about age 38.
Marguerite next married Ebles III Vicomte De VENTADOUR 1833 after 1148 in 2ND Husband - Divorced 1150.1833 Ebles was born about 1115 in Moustier Ventadour, Correze, Limousin, France and died in 1170 about age 55.
Marguerite next married Guillaume IV Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,1529,1830,1831 son of Wulgrim II Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Ponce De MONTGOMERY, after 1150 in 3rd Husband 2ND Wife 1529.,1833 Guillaume was born about 1120 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 7 August 1178 in Messina, Sicily, Italy 1529,1830 about age 58. Another name for Guillaume was William IV TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
32177458574. Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir,415,677,1409,1755,1912 son of Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Rohese GIFFARD, was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
General Notes: Gilbert, feudal Lord of Clare, Suffolk and Cardigan, whose father Richard was son of the Count of Brionne, of an illegitimate line of the Dukes of Normandy). [Burke's Peerage]
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HOLDERS OF THE HONOUR OF CLARE (II) 1090 ?
GILBERT FITZRICHARD, styled also DE CLARE and DE TONBRIDGE, Lord of Clare, &c., son who succeeded to the English possessions of his father [a]. He was born before 1066, and was founder of the Priory at Clare, 1090. By Henry I he was granted, 1107-1111, the Lordship of Cardigan.
He married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Built the first castles at Cardigan and Aberystwyth in Wales.
[a] His brother Roger FitzRichard [living 1130] inherited the lands in Normandy. This Roger, who possibly was the oldest son, died s.p.
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Gilbert de Tonebruge, who resided at Tonebruge and inherited all his father's lands in England, joined in the rebellion of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland, but observing the king (William Rufus) upon the point of falling into an ambuscade, he relented, sought pardon, and saved his royal master. We find him subsequently, however, again in rebellion in the same reign and fortifying and losing his castle at Tunbridge. He m. in 1113, Adeliza, dau. of the Earl of Cleremont, and had issue, Richard, his successor, Gilbert, Walter, Hervey, and Baldwin. Gilbert de Tonebruge, who was a munificent benefactor to the church, was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Gilbert m. Adeliza, dau, of the Earl of Claremont, and was father of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, and Gilbert de Clare, created Earl of Pembroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 230, Giffard, Earls of Buckingham]
Gilbert married Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT 1409,1912,1913,1914 in 1st Husband.1409 Adeliza was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
32177458575. Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT,415,670,1409,1912,1913,1914 daughter of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
General Notes: There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. See notes under Adeliz le Meschin, wife of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare.
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He [Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare] married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeliza married Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 677,1409,1755,1912 in 1st Husband.1409 Gilbert was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
Adeliza next married Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY 1409,1920,1921 after 1124 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1409.,1914 Bouchard was born about 1073 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 2 January 1131 to 1132 1922 about age 58.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1124. 1921
32177458594. Walter De CAEN Lord Of Sibton,415,902,1651,2230 son of William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville and Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN, was born about 1050 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Domesday Lord Of Sibton, Yorkshire, England.
General Notes: Notes under Reginald de Peyton son of Walter:
The first of the family on record by the name of Peyton was Reginald de Peyton, second son of Walter, Lord of Sibton, younger brother of Mallet, sheriff of Yorkshire. This Reginald held the lordships of Peyton Hall, in Ramshold, and Boxford, in Suffolk, of Hugh de Bigod; he was stewerd to Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, and gave lands to the monks of Thetford, to pray for the soul of Hugh Bigod. He had two sons, William, who held certain lands in Boxford, of the fee of the abbey of St. Edmundsbury, as appears by charter of his nephew John, and John de Peyton. [John Burke & John Bernard Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Second Edition, Scott, Webster, & Geary, London, 1841, p. 408, Peyton, of Isleham]
The Domesday book states that Walter de Caen was Lord of Sibton, given to him by Robert Malet's mother (William Malet's widow).
The giving of Sibton to Walter de Caen by William Malet's widow implies some relationship, possibly brother (but most likeley bastard son--see below). See Domesday Book for history of Sibton.
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The following quotation from the "Butler Family History" indicates that Walter is son of William Malet, which would explain the age difference between Walter & William (ie. they weren't brothers as indicated above.}:
Theobald Blake Butler, a leading authority on the history of the family, who died only this year [1965] and whose works are now available to scholars in the National Library, Dublin, the British Museum and the Irish Genealogical Research Society, laboriously traced back to Domesday the lands which this family subsequently held in East Anglia and Lancashire and discovered that at least nine of the sixteen or more holdings which our Hervey was believed to have owned in Norfolk and Suffolk were entered in Domesday Book under the ownership of Walter de Caen. The discovery led him to surmise that the paternal ancestor of the Butlers was Walter de Caen (son of William Malet who accompanied the Conqueror and, being half Saxon, was entrusted with the burial of King Harold after the Battle of Hastings).
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Based on the "Butler Family History" and the approximate birth dates, I am making Walter de Caen son of William Malet. I think, however, that the name may imply an illegitmate birth (or he was simply born in Caen), so he may not be the son of Walter's wife, even though her giving him Sibton would imply blood relationship. Perhap he was son of her, but not William Malet?
Walter married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert FITZWALTER Of Horsford was born about 1080 in Horsford, St. Faith's, Norfolk, England and died after 1130 2231.
ii. Reginald De PEYTON was born about 1100 in Peyton Hall, Ramshold, Suffolk, England.
16088729297 iii. Daughter Of Walter De CAEN (born about 1110 in Horsford, St. Faith's, Norfolk, England)
32177458596. Hamo De VALENIS Domesday Tenant Of Parham 415,1955 was born before 1070 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England.
Hamo married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088729298 i. Theobald De VALOINES Lord Of Parham (born about 1100 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England - died after 1135)
32177458610. Geoffrey De CLINTON Chamberlain Of Henry I,415,1402 son of Renebault Sire De TANKERVILLE and Agnes STIGAND, was born about 1105 in St Pierre-DE-Semily, St Lo, Manche, Normandy, France.
32177458632. Engenulf Or William De FERRIERS,415,1341 son of Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir and Bertha De L' AIGLE, was born about 1060 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Engenulf was Engenulf De FERRERS.
General Notes: Engenulf was the eldest son & William was the 2nd eldest (Robert being 3rd). One of the eldest was father of Henry. The other may well have died without issue. I don't know how to represent the relationship in my file, as they are two people, one of whom was father of Henry, the heir of the Normandy properites, being in the senior line.
Engenulf married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177458660. Reginald (Rainald) II De ST. VALERY Of Beckley,415,1659,1958,1959 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born in 1094 in Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England and died in 1166 in Horton, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England 1659 at age 72.
General Notes: The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by John Ravilious:
From: John Ravilious ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002
Reynold of St. Valery supported Empress Maud against King Stephen in the civil wars, and in 1158 went on crusade. He died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded by his eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine for livery of Beckley and Horton.
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The following was given in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
A little more:
of Tetbury, co. Glocs; seneschal of Normandy, 1146- 1153; lands forfeit under King Stephen due to support of Matilda; restored by King Henry II, as the honour of St. Valery; benefactor of nunnery at Fontevraud with son Bernard before 1154 [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]
he received a grant of Beckley, co. Oxon. and other lands of the d'Ivry family (escheated to the crown) from King Henry I, before 1135 [Ref: Sanders p9-10]
Reynold of St. Valery supported Empress Maud against King Stephen in the civil wars, and in 1158 went on crusade. He died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded by his eldest son Bernard... [Ref: A History of Horon Cum Studley http://oxford-consultants.tripod.com/a_history_of_horton_cum_studley.htm]
made a gift of the church of Northleigh ['Legis'], co. Oxon. to the monks of St. Mary of Eynsham '...pro salute Henrici regis & A. regine & liberorum suorum, & pro mea & Bernardi filii mei salute & pro animabus patris & matris mee & antecessorum & benefactorum meorum...', ca. 1154-61 [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003 citing: Salter I:131]
a crusader; fought at the siege of Caesarea, 1158 given custody of the castle of Harenc by King Baldwin [Ref: Keats-Rohan Domesday Desc. p698, citing Robert de Torigni]
he d. shortly after 1164, acc. to K. Keats-Rohan (his son Bernard fined for having livery of his father's lands in Horton and Beckley, 1167/8) [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]
said by Hollister to have supported William II ('Rufus'), King of England against his brother Robert, 1091 - either very young at the time, or confusion for a near relation [using his name instead of his father's, perhaps] (p. 69) [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]
Regards,
Curt
Reginald married about 1116 in Isleworth, Middlesex, England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553680. Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois,415,588,1120,1666,1704,1968,1973,2232,2233,2234 son of Hugues De MONTGOMERY and Joscelina De ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE, was born about 1000 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1968,1973 died after 1040 in Exiled To Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1968,1973,2232, and was buried in Vicompte D' Heimois (Exemes) 1031-32..1973,2232
General Notes:
1022 founded Troarn Abbey.
Note: Turton has Roger as son of Hugh & Josceline, rather than Roger being married to Josceline. After reading the evidence for CP's ancestry in note (c) below, I can see Turton's point. It seems that Turton's interpretation is just as valid as CP's. Turton goes by the "fact" that Josceline married a Hugh de Montgomery and had a son Roger, while CP goes by the "fact" that Josecline was mother of Roger II. One of the "fact"s is wrong. But I think the dates favor Josceline being a grandmother of Roger II, rather than a mother; so I am going with Turton.
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ROGER I DE MONTGOMERY, seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Hiesmois, witnessed in 1031 or 1032 a charter of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, for the abbey of St. Wandrille. Between 1028 and 1035 he restored to the abbey of Jumièges a market at Vimoutiers, near Montgomery, of which he had deprived the monks. During the troubles of Duke William's minority he was exiled and went to Paris on account of the murder of Osbern, son of Herfast, the steward, by his son William de Montgomery. At some date unknown he founded a collegiate church for twelve secular canons at Troarn. He married Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor (c). The date of his death is uncertain. [Complete Peerage XI:682-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Robert de Torigny in his continuation of William de Jumieges (bk. viii, chapter 35--ed. Marx, p. 321) makes the mother of Roger II de Montgomery to be Josceline, daughter of Wevie, a sister of Gunnor; in chapter 37 he states Wevie's husband Hugh de Montgomery, but the father of Roger II was undoubtedly named Roger. The mistake in these genealogical chapters, 35-37, as to which see G. H. White's article on "The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy" in 'Genealogist', N.S., vol. xxxvii, pp. 57-65, 128-132, are too numerous to make it possible to trust them in default of corroboration, but the statement as to Josceline is in part corroborated by Ives, bishop of Chartres. In a letter of the year 1114 to Henry I ('Rec. des Hist. de France', vol. xv, p. 167) he points out that a projected marriage between a natural daughter of the King and Hugh, son of Gervase de Chateauneuf, would be invalid on the ground of consanguinity. He traces Hugh's pedigree as follows: Senfrie, sister of Gunnor, had a daughter, Josceline, the mother of Roger de Montgomery, who had a daughter Mabel married to Gervase de Chateauneuf, by whom the daughter of Senfrie or Sainfrie, who according to Robert de Torigny (loc. cit.) was Gunnor's sister; the name of Josceline's husband is not given. The bishop seems to be writing with due sense of responsibility, for the letter contains this remarkable passage: " Quod enim dicimus, non ex conjecturis facimus, quia prae manibus habemus scriptam genealogiam, quam scribi fecerunt nobiles viri de eadem tribu progeniti, et parati sunt ante judices ecclesiasticos eandem genealogiam in tuto loco computare et secundum legum instituta probare." Moreover the protest was successful, since Hugh did not marry the King's daughter but a daughter of Waleran, Count of Meulan. If however another of these genealogies of Robert de Torigny be accepted, Hugh nevertheless married within the prohibited degrees, since his bride descended from another of Gunnor's sisters (see 'ante', vol. vii, p. 521, note "c"). Taken as a whole the evidence seems to show that Rober I's wife was Josceline, a niece of Gunnor.
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973,2232 Exiled to Paris 1037.
• Fact 3: Fact 3. 1973 Vicomte de la Hiesmois.
• Graduation: 1973 Known as "Roger the Great" de Montgomery Vicomte de Heimois (Exemes).
Roger married Emma 1968,2234 1372.,1375 Emma was born about 1005 in France and died after 1067 1968.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553681. Emma 415,1968,2234 was born about 1005 in France and died after 1067 1968.
Emma married Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois 588,1120,1666,1704,1968,1973,2232,2233,2234 1372.,1375 Roger was born about 1000 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1968,1973 died after 1040 in Exiled To Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1968,1973,2232, and was buried in Vicompte D' Heimois (Exemes) 1031-32..1973,2232
32177553682. William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme,415,1120,1372,1375,1664,1965,2235 son of William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon and Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU, was born about 988 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France,1375 died in 1070 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France 1270,1372,1375,1965 about age 82, and was buried in Count Of Alençon-Bellême..1375 Another name for William was William II Talvas Seigneur D'alencon & BELLEME.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1048. 1120
William married Hildeburg De ALENÇON 1120,1372,1375 in 1st Wife 1120,1372.,1375 Hildeburg was born in 995 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 1375 and died about 1067 1372,1375 about age 72. The cause of her death was strangled. Another name for Hildeburg was Hildeburge De BEAUMONT-MAINE.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:49536
The child from this marriage was:
32177553683. Hildeburg De ALENÇON,415,1120,1372,1375 daughter of Raoul II De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Maine and Godehilde (Godehelt) De BELLEME, was born in 995 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 1375 and died about 1067 1372,1375 about age 72. The cause of her death was strangled. Another name for Hildeburg was Hildeburge De BEAUMONT-MAINE.
Hildeburg married William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme 1120,1372,1375,1664,1965,2235 in 1st Wife 1120,1372.,1375 William was born about 988 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France,1375 died in 1070 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France 1270,1372,1375,1965 about age 82, and was buried in Count Of Alençon-Bellême..1375 Another name for William was William II Talvas Seigneur D'alencon & BELLEME.
32177553684. Hugues II Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120,2052,2236 son of Enguerrand I Comte De PONTHIEU and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1008 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 20 November 1052 2052 about age 44.
Hugues married Bertha Of AUMALE 1120.,2052 Bertha was born about 1010 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Sire D'aumale Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & PONTHIEU was born about 1030 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 25 October 1053 in Slain At The Siege Of Arque (Dspm) 2052,2056 about age 23.
32177553685. Bertha Of AUMALE,415,1120,2052 daughter of Guerinfroi Seigneur D' AUMALE and Hermengarde, was born about 1010 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Bertha married Hugues II Comte De PONTHIEU 1120,2052.,2236 Hugues was born about 1008 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 20 November 1052 2052 about age 44.
32177553688. Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2237,2238 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.
Robert married Helie (Ella) De SEMUR 1601,2238,2239 about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Helie was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.
Children from this marriage were:
16088776844 i. Henry Of BURGUNDY (born in 1035 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France - died about 27 January 1073-1074 in (Dvp))
ii. Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY was born about 1044 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France and died after 1104 2240.
iii. Constance Of BURGUNDY was born about 1046 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died from about January 1092 to 1093 2241 about age 46.
Robert next married Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois] 1601,2242 about 1048 in France. Ermengarde was born in 1018 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2243 at age 57.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Hildegarde, Princess Of FRANCE was born about 1049 in Of, , Burgundy, France and died after 1104.
32177553689. Helie (Ella) De SEMUR,415,1601,1746,2238,2239 daughter of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1028. 2238
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1109. 2238
Helie married Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY 1601,2237,2238 about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Robert was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.
32177553690. Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA,415,2244 son of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, was born in 1005 in Barcelona, Spain, died on 26 May 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1980,2244 at age 30, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.
Berenguer married Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, in 1021. Sancha was born in 1006 in Castille, Spain, died on 26 June 1026 at age 20, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA was born between 1023 and 1024 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 and died on 26 May 1076 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 about age 52.
Berenguer next married Guisle D' AMPURIAS 1980 after 1026 in 3rd Wife. Guisle was born about 1005 in Balsareny, Spain.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776845 i. Sibylle Of BARCELONA (born in 1035 in Barcelona, Spain - died after 6 July 1074)
32177553691. Guisle D' AMPURIAS 415,1980 was born about 1005 in Balsareny, Spain.
Guisle married Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA 2244 after 1026 in 3rd Wife. Berenguer was born in 1005 in Barcelona, Spain, died on 26 May 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1980,2244 at age 30, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.
32177553692. Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2246,2247,2248 son of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 2248 and died on 4 September 1057 in France 1447,1986,2246,2248,2249 about age 67. Other names for Rainald were Renaud I, and Renaud I Count Of PALATINE.
Rainald married Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY 1601,2246,2247,2250 in 1023 in -, Bourgogne, France.2246 Adelais was born in 996 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1986 and died after 27 July 1037 in , , France 2250.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1 September 1016. 2248
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1 September 1016. 2248
Children from this marriage were:
32177553693. Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2246,2247,2250 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, was born in 996 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1986 and died after 27 July 1037 in , , France 2250.
Adelais married Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY 1601,2246,2247,2248 in 1023 in -, Bourgogne, France.2246 Rainald was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 2248 and died on 4 September 1057 in France 1447,1986,2246,2248,2249 about age 67. Other names for Rainald were Renaud I, and Renaud I Count Of PALATINE.
32177553694. Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine,415,1988,2251 son of Gerhard II Count Of METZ and Gisella Of ALSACE, was born about 1012 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1048 1988 about age 36.
Adalbert married Clemence De FOIX.1988 Clemence was born about 1015 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ermesinde De LONGWY was born about 1033 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1058 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147.
16088776847 ii. Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY (born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France - died on 30 June 1109)
32177553695. Clemence De FOIX,415,1988 daughter of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, was born about 1015 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France.
General Notes:
In a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, Todd Farmerie reports that Clemence Foix does not even exist. I am keeping her as a place holder until further research indicates a possible replacement. @@check ancestry.
From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Etiennette of Longwy - NOT!!!
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-25 23:30:18 PST
I just got in the mail the latest publication of the Unit for Prosopographical Research - Prosopographica et Genealogica, vol.3, Onomastioque et Parente dans l'Occident medieval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and C. Settipani, eds. (2000). I have not had a chance to read beyond the first couple of articles, but even the first one will be of interest to many in this group. Szabolcs de Vajay here contributes a reevaluation of his elegant work on Etiennette/Estefania/Stephanie, wife of William, Count of Burgundy.
In a 1960 article appearing in Annales de Bourgogne, he evaluated the surviving sources, and focussed particularly on two contemporary ones that appeared to illuminate the question. One of these indicated that Pope Callixte (son of Etiennette) was of mixed parentage, one parent being Burgundian, and the other from Lorraine. The second source mentioned a Countess Ermesende of Longwy - taken to be the mother of Clemence, Countess of Luxembourg, and wife of William VII of Aquitaine. Vajay was led to conclude that these two women, apparently both of Lorraine but with Mediteranean names, represented a single family group. At about this time Longwy was held by an Adelbert, identified with the Duke of Lorraine, who was then tapped as father. At the same time, the names Ermesende and Etiennette appeared in the family of Bernard Roger, Count of Foix (another sibling was Raimond, a name which Etiennette of Burgundy would give a son), so the mother of the Lorraine Ermesende and Etiennette was hypothesized as another sibling in this family, provisionally named Clemence (the name of daughters of both Ermesende and Etiennette). Thus the question has stood for four decades (with only a few historians dissenting). (Thus it has likewise appeared in secondary sources which failed to indicate the hypothetical nature of the solution, from which it has entered innumerable personal and public databases.)
In his new analysis, entitled "Parlons encore d'Etiennette" (pp. 2-6), Vajay goes through his previous proof, and step by step he destroys it.
The first source, describing the parentage of Callixte, is now known not to refer to the son of Etiennette, but to her grandson of the same name, who was son of Louis of Montbeliard and Ermesende of Burgundy - parentage that matches his described mixed origins. The other source can now be shown to refer not to the mother of Clemence Countess of Luxembourg, but to her daughter Ermesende who married Adelbert de Dabo - the Adelbert of Longwy mistakenly associated with the Duke of Lorraine. Taken together, there is no longer any support for a connection with Lorraine (and no reason to think that Duke Adelbert married or had any issue at all). More critically, it becomes clear that with these two pieces of evidence removed from relevance, there is no contemporary source that bears dierctly on the question.
One recent author, A. Beau, approached the question by returning to the work of Pere Anselme, who wrote that Etiennette was daughter of Raimond II of Barcelona and his wife Sancha of Navarre. With minor modifications, this possibility is attractive. The man Anselme appears to have had in mind was Count Berenger I Raimond II, who married Sancha Sanchez of Castile. This Berenger is now thought to have had a sister Etiennette (for whom he might have named a daughter), while in his fourth wife (who Beau would make mother of our Etiennette) we have Guisla of Lluca, for whom Etiennette would have named her daughter Gisela, and this solution would also explain the use of Raimond.
Vajay is, however, not entirely enthusiastic about this solution. First of all, Beau's reasoning that Anselme's account was likely based on an accurate tradition/source is belied by the fact that Beau then gives her a father Berenger and mother Guisla (with Berenger's first wife, Sancha, being from Castile), while Anselme had named them Raimond and Sancha of Navarre. Likewise, this solution fails to explain the appearance of the name Clemence (unknown among the Barcelona Counts, although Guisla's ancestry is not fully characterized), while finally, there is the problem of the relationship between Henry, Count of Portugal and Raimond, Count of Galicia (Etiennette's son).
The word "congermanus" is used to describe the relationship between Henry and Raymond. This word is usually used to refer to what we would now call second cousins or even more distant relations, the children (or descendants) of first cousins. By Vajay's old solution, this would be the case, both being grandchildren's-grandchildren of Count Roger of Carcassonne, with Henry's mother postulated as daughter of Berenger and Guisla. Moving Raimond's mother to the same family renders the two Counts first cousins, which is too close. (Vajay would now instead place Henry's mother as sister of Berenger, but the problem remains.) This can not be simply dismissed by suggesting that "congermanus" is being used somewhat atypically here to refer to first cousins, since Raimond's sister Sybil married Henry's brother Eudes and a marriage of first cousins (? once removed) certainly would have been considered too close. In light of this, Vajay tends to dismiss this solution as well.
He concludes by stating that the fate of his earlier theory should serve as a warning about the uncertain nature of such arguments based more on onomastics and hypothesis than direct proof. This is perhaps a good warning with which to start this book, as the articles that follow derive from a group of researchers that uses just such methods to reconstruct relationships among family groups.
Clemence married Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine 1988.,2251 Adalbert was born about 1012 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1048 1988 about age 36.
32177553700. Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE,415,891,1601,1746,2252,2253 son of Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn and Unknown, was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
Harlevin married Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE 891,1062,1601,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Herleve was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Emma De CONTEVILLE was born about 1029 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
ii. Odo Bishop Of BAYEUX 1st Earl Of Kent was born about 1030 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France,2261,2262 died from February 1096 to 1097 in Palermo, Sicily On 1St Crusade (Dsp Legit) 2262 about age 66, and was buried in Cathedral At Palermo, Sicily. Another name for Odo was 01st Earl Of KENT Eudes Bishop Of Bayeux.
iv. Muriel De CONTEVILLE was born about 1032 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
v. Miss De CONTEVILLE was born in 1042 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
32177553701. Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE,415,891,1062,1601,1746,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 daughter of Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE and Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND, was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
General Notes:
Said to have m. Gilbert, count of Brionne, and to be the mother of his sons, Richard and Baldwin. [Falaise Roll, p. 81]
Liaison with Robert I of Normandy produced William I, Duke of Normandy, and Adelheid. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 269-70]
Sister and heiress of the Earl of Brion. [Magna Charta Barons, p. 85]
b. 1003, d. 1050. [Judy Martin]
Herleve married Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY 891,1601,2079,2263,2264 in 1023 in No Marriage. Robert was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Godiva NORMANDY was born in 1026 in , Normandy, France and died in Y.
16088777615 iii. Countess Of Aumale & Pont Adélaïde De NORMANDY Countess Of Aumale (born before 1030 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died before 1090)
Herleve next married Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE 891,1601,2252,2253 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Harlevin was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
32177553702. Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 son of Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois and Emma, was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
General Notes:
Shrewsbury, Earldom of: In early December 1074 Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury. As with other medieval earldoms, little distinction was then made between the county town and county proper when designating a specific name for a title, chiefly because an earl, who was then more or less and official, albeit often hereditary, was inconceivable except as earl of a county.
Roger was son of another Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of the Norman places (St Germain-de-Montgomery and Ste-Foy-de-Montgomery) of that name in the Calvados region. He was a prominent member of the nobles grouped around William (later William I of England, The Conqueror) of Normandy well before the 1066 invasion of England but stayed behind in Normandy during the actual enterprise. The year after Hastings he went to England and received land grants in Sussex. He is thought to have constructed the Castle of Montgomery (now in Powys, but formerly named Mongomeryshire after his family), doing so shortly before the Domesday Survey. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]
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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (I) 1074
EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (I) 1067
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY (who, in right of his 1st wife, Mabel de Bellême, daughter of William TALVAS, was LORD OF ALENCON, SEEZ, &c., in Normandy), having during the invasion of England, remained, as REGENT, in Normandy, came over thence, for the first time, with King William, in December 1067, and, at the Christmas festival, was created an EARL, receiving, among other large grants from the Conqueror, about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the CASTLE OF ARUNDEL.(a) By this last grant he may be considered to have become EARL OF ARUNDEL, according to the remarkable admission(b) in 1433 on the claim to that Earldom. At all events he was frequently so styled, though, occasionally, he is styled EARL OF CHICHESTER. Dugdale and many later writers consider him to have been EARL OF SUSSEX. On the dismemberment of Mercia, in 1070, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire (with, apparently, Palatine authority), together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as EARL OF SHREWSBURY, though occasionally (according to modern views, more correctly) as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE. He is the "COMES ROGIERUS " of the Domesday survey, where, of course, no local designation is attributed to him. He died 27 July 1094.
(a)This formed the Honour of Arundel, which consisted of the rapes of Arundel and Chichester, being two out of the six rapes into which Sussex is divided. It contained, besides the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel (as abovenamed), 84 1/2 knights' fees, ten hundreds (with their forests, woods and chases), three lordships (Halnaker, Petworth and Midhurst) eighteen parks and seventy-seven manors. See Tierney's Hist. of Arundel, p. 12. G.E.C.
It is pointed out however to the Editor by J. H. Round that, according to the latest view of archeologists, the castle may have been erected by Roger of Montgomery himself, after obtaining possession of the Honour. V.G.
(b)The claim to the Earldom as being one by tenure of the Castle of Arundel was made by John Arundel, who had been sum. to Parl. in 1429, the writ being directed "Johanni ArundeIl' de Arundell' Chivaler." In I433 (II Hen. VI) he petitioned [as Earl of Arundel] to be sum. to Parl. and considered as Earl of Arundel, a dignity or name united and annexed to the Castle and Lordship of Arundel, for time whereof memory of man was not to the contrary--a peculiar and distinct claim (as stated in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 406), " not connected with any general, but asserting a special right, and which being founded on prescription, was to be supported by evidence of constant and immemorial enjoyment of the asserted right, which right if not shown to have been so constantly enjoyed, the title by prescription failed. This claim, though opposed by John (Mowbray), Duke of Norfolk, was admitted by the Crown, notwithstanding that the assertion of the constant annexation of the title to the Castle of Arundel could not have been sustained, had it been (which it was not) made the subject of an enquiry." (Courthope, p. 30).
The claim then of 1433 was, as is stated above, "admitted by the Crown, or so far admitted as that the assertion in the petition is made the consideration (with others not connected with the question) for the King's acceding to it, with a saving, nevertheless, of the right of the King, of the Duke of Norfolk (who, being a coheir of the Earls of Arundel, had opposed the Earl's claim) and of every other person; which saving clause, as is remarked in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, was that species of saving which is deemed in law illusory operating nothing.' (Courthope, p. xx). See also Tierney's Historv of Arundel (vol. i, p. 106), where the judgment is set out, reciting "that Richard Fitz Alan was seized of the Castle, Honour and Lordship [of Arundel] in fee; that, by reason of his possession thereof, he was, without other reason or creation, EARL oF ARUNDEL, - &c."; and stating also, that "the King, contemplating the person of the present claimant, now Earl of Arundel, &c., has, with the advice and assent of the Prelates, Dukes, Earls and Barons in this present Parl. assembled, admitted John, now Earl of Arundel, to the place and seat anciently belonging to the Earls of Arundel in Parl. and council."
Almost similar words are used in the Act of Parl. obtained in 1627, which, in form of a petition to the King recites that the Earldom of Arundel had been real and local from the time whereof the memory of man was not to the contrary, and had, from the time aforesaid, been used and enjoyed bv the petitioner and such of his ancestors as had possessed the Castle of Arundel, &c. Now it is to be noted that the claimant of 1433 alleged that his ancestors, the possessors of Arundel, were Earls of Arundel, both bs(ore, as well as after, the Conquest. Fortunately, however King Harold and his father, Earl Godwin, have not to be included, and still less a long shadowy race of Earls extending upwards towards (even if not including) primeval man. The words "memory of man " must, of course, be read in their strict legal significance, as indicating the reign of Richard I, so that the Act of 1627 (and, possibly, the admission of 1433 also) would not apply to any Earl of Arundel, prior to I I 89.
The Redesdale Committee remarks on these proceedings that they "ought to be considered as an anomaly influenced by political views, and decided apparently without much discussion, and without the assistance of the judges." Moreover the assertion of fact by the claimant as to the Earldom having always depended on possession of the Castle in the past "seems not to have been true, and not to have been made the subject of enquiry when the question was decided." For a similar case of a charter creating a peerage, and setting out, as facts, unfounded statements of the grantee, see the Barony of LISLE, cr. 1444, in the same reign.
[Complete Peerage I:230-33, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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He [Roger de Montgomery, probably 3rd but 1st surviving son and heir of Roger I de Montgomery by Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. He m. 2ndly, Adelaide, daughter of Everard de Puiset. Roger d. 27 July 1094 at Shrewsbury and having been clothed as a monk three days before his death was buried there in the abbey which he had founded. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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The following additional information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI:683]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester, Earl of Shropshire or Salop, called Earl of Montgomery, Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney p696]
Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Heismois, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty p44]
Viscount of the Hiemois, Lord of the West Marches, Earl of Chichester, Shropshire, and Sussex [Ref: Turton]
1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI:683]
1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI:683]
Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI:683]
1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney p696]
1st Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: Doug Smith <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 27 Apr 2002]
Roger Earl of Shrewsbury. Also Roger of Montgomery. From Saint Germain de Montgomery, near Lisieux. Lord of Sussex rape of Arundel, with castle there; Earl of Shrewsbury from 1071-74 to death in 1094. Holdings in 12 counties in south, east and west. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086:
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as Earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the young Duke Robert as Duke William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothers, Hugh, Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osberne de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Continuing, Roger de Montgomery had four sons. Eldest was Robert, Count of Alencon, and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. He was followed by second son, Hugh, who inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury, the life custodian of the main Montgomery family domains granted in England. These would eventually go to Robert in 1098, purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds. Next youngest was Count Roger de Poitou who was made the first Earl of Lancaster by Duke William of Normandy, a less maganamious grant which befitted the third youngest son. Philip, the youngest, remained in Normandy and accompanied Duke Robert on the first crusade to the Holy land, and died there in 1094.
Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chief architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry. His son, Robert, described at the Conquest as a 'novice in arms', but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. Roger, the father, became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul (Kings of Scotland), Belmeis (Beaumais), Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. [found this online but didn't cite URL, sorry. Try google: keywords: (title above)]
Earl Roger's Shropshire Land Holdings
Alveley, Baschurch, Berwick (Shrewsbury), Cheney Longville, Chetton, Chirbury, Claverley, Corfham, Culmington, Donington, Dudston, Eardington, Edenhope, Edgmond, Ellesmere, Fenemere, Ford, High Ercall, Hockleton, Hodnet, Kingsmordley, Leebotwood, Loppington, Lydham, Minsterley, Montford, Morville, Netley, Oswestry, Poynton, Pulley, Quatford, Quatt, Rhiston, Romsley, Rorrington, Rowton, Rudge, Ruyton, Shavington, Shawbury, Shifnall, Shipley, Shrewsbury, Siefton, Smethcott, Spoonley, Stottesdon, Stretton, The Marsh, Tong Tuange, Walcot, Wellington, Whittingslow, Whittington, Wilderley, Wistanstow, Withington, Woodcote(Newport), Wotherton, Wrockwardine, Ackley, Aston, Basley, Churchstoke
[Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Shropshire.htm]
Regards,
Curt
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1375,1664 Lord of Alençon in Normandy via his marriage.
• Fact 3: Fact 3, 1066. 1372,1375,1664 Regent of Normandy when William the Conqueror invaded England.
• Fact 5: Fact 5. 1375,1664 Created Earl of Shrewsbury 1070 in the Welsh Marches at dismemberment of Mercia.
• Fact 6: Fact 6. 1372,1375,1966 Vicomte de Heimois.
• Fact 7: Fact 7. 1372,1375 Earl of Chicester, Seigneur de Montgoemry.
• Graduation: 1375,1664 Joined William in England in 1067 & was created Earl of Arundel.
Roger married Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON 1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Mabel was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44687
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962 1st wife
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962
Roger next married Adelaide De PUISET 1962 after 1079 in 2ND Wife.1962 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Le Puiset, Rochefort, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
32177553703. Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON,415,1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 daughter of William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme and Hildeburg De ALENÇON, was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
General Notes:
He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:
aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)
...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield <[email protected]> 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]
died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]
buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/
Mabel married Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury 588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Roger was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
32177553720. Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY,415,2002,2266 son of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, was born about 980 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 and died on 20 November 1008 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 2002,2266 about age 28.
General Notes: GEOFFREY, DUKE OF BRITTANY, married Hawise, daughter of Richard I, DUKE OFNORMANDY, and died in 1008, leaving two sons, Alan and Eudon. During their mother's lifetime the two brothers seem to have been joint rulers of Brittany, but on her death, on 21 February 1034, dissensions broke out between them; peace was restored by a settlement under which Eudon received a territory corresponding roughly to the dioceses of Dol, St. Mialo, St. Brieuc and Tréguier, reduced in the hands of his successors to the two last-named dioceses, while Alan retained the rest of Brittany. After the death of Alan in 1040 Eudon seized the government of Brittany to the exclusion of his nephew Conan, who recovered it in 1057. Eudon died 7 January 1079. He married Orguen, whose parentage is unknown. [Complete Peerage X:779-81, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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I will have to research where I picked up that Geoffrey died in Nantes (maybe he was one his way to the Holy Lands or on his way back). The following information, indicating that Geoffrey died on pilgrimage, came from Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Not sure whether you are saying that Weis & CP give the date & place or just the date & that your source of the place is from elsewhere, but please consider:
... in 1008, Geoffrey of Brittany had likewise set forth on pilgrimage to the Holy Land. [Ref: Wm Conqueror p35]
On Geoffrey's departure in 1008 on the pilgrimage during which he died, his two sons Alan III and Eudo, then of tender age, were left under the tutelage of their Norman mother... [Ref: Wm Conqueror p29]
Prof. Douglas indcates that Geoffrey died either on his way to/from or in the Holy Land. I am interested to know your source for his place of death. Thanks.
Other info:
Geoffrey of Rennes, who was subsequently count of Brittany [Ref: Wm Conqueror p29]
Count of Bretagne, Rennes [Ref: Turton]
Duke of Brittany [Ref: CP X:779-81, Weis AR7 39:22]
Duke of Brittany 992-1008 [Ref: Tapsell p203]
Regards,
Curt
Geoffrey married Hawise Of NORMANDY 2266 in 996.2267 Hawise was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died from 21 February 1033 to 1034 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 about age 58.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Alan III Duke Of BRITTANY was born in 997 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 1040 2268 at age 43.
16088776860 ii. Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY (born about 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France - died on 7 January 1078-1079)
iii. Geoffrey II Of BRITTANY was born about 1003 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
32177553721. Hawise Of NORMANDY,415,2266 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died from 21 February 1033 to 1034 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 about age 58.
Hawise married Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY 2002,2266 in 996.2267 Geoffrey was born about 980 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 and died on 20 November 1008 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 2002,2266 about age 28.
32177553824. Ranulph Vicomte Of BESSIN,415,2269 son of Ancitel Vicomte Of BESSIN and Unknown, was born about 1017 in Bessin, Calvados, Normandy, France.
General Notes: The following was given in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Ranulph Viscount of the Bessin [Ref: ES II:79, Michael Call 444:16]
Viscount De Bayeux [Ref: Holloway p5]
Vicomte of the Bessin [Ref: Weis AR7 132a:24]
1047 fought at the Battle of Val-es-Dunes [Ref: Weis AR7 132a:24]
The Bessin, too, produced an outstanding dynasty of vicomtes. At the beginning of Duke William's reign the vicomte of the Bessin was Rannulf, who was the son of a vicomte named Anschitil [6]. He married a daughter of Duke Richard III [7] and was among the defeated rebels at Val-ès-Dunes. None the less, the office continued in the family, for he was succeeded by another Rannulf (II) who was established at Avranches before the Norman conquest, and who survived until after April 1089 [8].
[6] R.A.D.N., no. 111. The career of Anschitil is illustrated in many other charters of an early date, particularly in those of Saint-Wandrille (e.g. Lot, op. cit., nos. 13, 14).
[7] Gall. Christ., vol. XI; Instrumenta, col. 70; Robert of Torigny (ed. Delisle), vol. I, p. 34.
[8] Cart. Bayeux, no. IV. [Ref: David C. Douglas "William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England", University of California Press, 1964]
R.A.D.N. = Recueil des Actes des Ducs de 911 a 1066, ed. M. Fauroux (1961).
Lot = Lot, F., Etudes critiques sur l'abbaye de Saint-Wandrille (1913).
Gall. Christ. = Gallia Christiana, vol. XI, (Paris, 1759).
Cart. Bayeux = Bayeux, Antiquus cartularius ecclesiae Baiocensis (Livre Noir), ed. V. Bourrienne, 2 vols. Societe de l'Histoire de Normandie, 1902, 1903.
Regards,
Curt
Ranulph married Alice Of NORMANDY 2269 in France. Alice was born about 1021 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553825. Alice Of NORMANDY,415,2269 daughter of Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE and Unknown MISTRESS, was born about 1021 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Alice married Ranulph Vicomte Of BESSIN 2269 in France. Ranulph was born about 1017 in Bessin, Calvados, Normandy, France.
32177553826. Richard Le GOZ Viscount D'avranches,415,2009,2079,2270,2271 son of Thurstan (Toustein) Le GOZ Viscount Of Hiemes and Judith (Turuvia?) De MONTANOLIER, was born about 1014 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1084 2009. Another name for Richard was Richard Le Goz Viscount D' AVRANCHES.
General Notes: HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.
Richard Goz, Vicomte d'Avranches, or more properly of the Avranchin, was one of the sons of the aforesaid Turstain, by his wife Judith de Montanolier, and appears not only to have avoided being implicated in the rebellion of his father, but obtained his pardon and restoration to the Vicomté of the Hiemois, to which at his death he succeeded, and to have strengthened his position at court by securing the hand of Emma de Conteville, one of the daughters of Herluin and Herleve, and half-sister of his sovereign. By this fortunate marriage he naturally recovered the lands forfeited by his father and bestowed on his mother-in-law, and acquired also much property in the Avranchin, of which he obtained the Vicomté, in addition to that of the Hiemois.
There was every reason, therefore, that he should follow his three brothers-in-law in the expedition to England, if not prevented by illness or imperative circumstances. He must have been their senior by some twenty years, but still scarcely past the prime of life, and his son Hugh a stripling under age, as his mother, if even older than her brothers Odo and Robert, could not have been born before 1030, and if married at sixteen, her son in 1066 would not be more than nineteen at the utmost. Mr. Freeman, who places the marriage of Herleve with Herluin after the death of Duke Robert in 1035, would reduce this calculation by at least six years, rendering the presence of her grandson Hugh at Senlac more than problematical.
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Crispin, M 1969 (pp. 79-80) is no doubt incorrect in showing Emma de Conteville as Richard's wife. Moriarty, 1985 (p. 11) says the marriage is probably unfounded. However Todd A. Farmerie cited the marriage, 7 July 2000, based upon an article by Keats-Rohan. But Todd says the mother was "Turuvai".
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1066. 2253
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After November 1074. 1270
Richard married Emma De CONTEVILLE 2009,2079,2270.,2271 Emma was born about 1029 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Hugh "Lupus" D' AVRANCHES 1st Earl Of Chester was born about 1047 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France 2272,2273 and died on 27 July 1101 in St Werburg's Abbey, Cheshire, England (As A Monk) 2272,2273 about age 54. Other names for Hugh were 02nd\1St Earl Of CHESTER Hugh D'avranches, and Hugh LUPUS 1st Earl Of Chester.
ii. Judith D' AVRANCHES was born about 1048 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France.
iii. Albert De GRESLET Lord Of Manchester was born about 1050 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1100 in Manchester, Lancashire, England about age 50.
iv. Turstin Of CREULLY & Presles was born about 1053 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Presles, Calvados, Normandy, France.
16088776913 v. Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester (born about 1054 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France)
Richard next married Unknown Wife Or MISTRESS. Unknown was born about 1015 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Albreda Le GOZ D'avranches was born about 1032 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France and died in Okehampton, Devonshire, England. Another name for Albreda was Albreda Le Goz D' AVRANCHES.
32177553827. Emma De CONTEVILLE,415,2009,2079,2270,2271 daughter of Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, was born about 1029 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
General Notes: Emma, daughter of Herluin de Conteville and Herleve (or Harlotte) his wife, who (by Robert, Duke of Normandy) was mother of William "the Conqueror". [Complete Peerage]
Emma married Richard Le GOZ Viscount D'avranches 2009,2079,2270.,2271 Richard was born about 1014 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1084 2009. Another name for Richard was Richard Le Goz Viscount D' AVRANCHES.
32177553828. Thorold Of COVENTRY 415,505 was born about 985 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia).
Thorold married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva was born about 1010 in Buckinghamshire, England 2010 and died on 10 September 1067 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) about age 57. Another name for Godiva was Godiva Of BUCKINGHAM Lady Godiva.
16088776914 ii. Turold Sheriff Of LINCOLN (born about 1015 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) - died before 1079 in Buckinghamshire, England)
32177553830. William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville,415,1651,2274,2275 son of Mr. MALET Sire De \Graville\ and Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA, was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
General Notes:
William Malet, of Granville, Normandy; also held lands in Lincs before 1066 (possibly by virtue of his mother's putative status of Englishwoman); granted the feudal Barony of Eye, Suffolk, following the Conquest, in which he was one of William I's chief lieutenants, being allegedly given the task by William of burying Harold's body after Hastings; Sheriff of Yorks 1068; married Hesilia Crispin (living 1086), gggdau of Rollo The Dane, Duke of Normandy, and died c1071. [Burke's Peerage]
According to Crispin and Macary, "William (Guillaume) Malet de Graville stands out as one of the most imposing figures at the Conquest. There can be no doubt about his presence there, which is subscribed to by William of Poitiers, Guy of Amiens, Orderic Vital, and all the historians of this epoch. So much has been placed on record concerning him that just a few facts of his life will be recited here. He was probably descended from Gerard, a Scandinavian prince and companion of Duke Rollo, which gave the name of the fief of Gerardville or Graville, near Havre. Robert, the eldest son, occurs in a document of about 990 in Normandy. On his mother's side William Malet was of Anglo-Saxon origin, for she was probably the daughter of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and Godwa or Godgifu, the supposed sister of Thorold the Sheriff in the time of Edward the Confessor, and therefore the aunt of Edwin and Morcar, Earls of Northumberland. He was nearly killed in the battle of Hastings but was rescued by the sire de Montfort and William of Vieuxpont, and was appointed by William the Conqueror to take charge of the body of Harold, a statement that has been disputed. The consensus of opinion favors it, and it is most logical if William Malet's mother was as stated the sister of Algar II., 7th Earl of Mercia, who was the father of Alditha, wife of Harold. He accompanied King William at the reduction of Nottingham and York in 1068, for which he was rewarded with the shreivalty of land in that county. Gilbert de Gand and Robert Fitz Richard were also commanders in this expedition. The following year he was besieged in the castle of York by Edgar, the Saxon prince, and was only saved from surrender by the timely arrival of the Conqueror. In the same year he was attacked by the Danes, who captured the city of York with great slaughter and took William Malet, his wife and children, prisoners, but their lives were spared, as was that of Gilbert de Gand, for the sake of their ransoms. There is evidence that he was slain in this year, but it is uncertain and the date of his death is unknown. An entry in Domesday that "William Malet was seized of this place (Cidestan, Co. Suffolk), where he proceeded on the King's service where he died," would indicate that his death occurred during the compilation of that book. He was witness to a charter of King William to the church of St. Martin-le-Grand, in London, and is there styled "princeps," which title, however, was honorary and not hereditary, having ceased with his death."
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William Malet, or Guillaume, as he may have been called, "Sire de Graville", came from Graville Sainte Honorine between Le Havre and Harfleur, in what is today the French province of Normandy. He is said to have had a Norman father and a Saxon (read English) mother, and had some sort of association with King Harold of England before the conquest. William, through his Saxon mother, may actually have been related to King Harold, and also to the well known Lady Godiva. It is also possible that William and Harold were both God fathers of Duke William of Normandy's daughter, Abela.
The Malet Castle at Graville Sainte Honorine had an important strategic location, at the mouth of the Seine. It has now fallen into the sea, though some remnants of it may still be visible. A large section of wall with large iron rings attached was still there just over 100 years ago. The Abbey church, in which some of the Malets are buried, is now in the town of Le Havre. Though William Malet had connections to both sides in the conflict to come, his main allegiance was to Duke William of Normandy.
William fought with distinction at Hastings, as the following Excerpt from Wace's "Roman de Rou" attests:
William whom they call Mallet,
Boldly throws himself among them;
With his flashing sword
Against the English he makes furious onset;
But his shield they clove,
And his horse beneath him killed,
And himself they would have slain,
When came the Sire de Montfort
And Lord William de Vez-Pont
With the great force which they had,
Him they bravely rescued.
There many of their men they lost;
Mallet they remounted on the field
On a fresh war-horse.
When the battle was over, Duke William entrusted William Malet to attend to the burial of the dead English king. The body was buried under a heap of stones on top of a cliff at Hastings overlooking the shore that Harold had so bravely defended. William placed a stone on the grave with the epitaph:
"By command of the Duke, you rest here a King, O Harold, that you may be guardian still of the shore and sea". This burial of Harold was only temporary and the body was later re-buried at Harold's Abbey at Waltham.
William and his brother Durand held lands in Lincolnshire, England, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, and through the reign of Harold right up to the conquest, in addition to those in Normandy. These Lincolnshire holdings, all in the Danelaw, probably came from William and Durand's mother. After the conquest William's English holdings were greatly increased, again, principally in the Danelaw, as English lands were taken from their Saxon owners and handed over to Norman Barons. It is likely that Duke William conferred these estates on William, partly because of his loyalty and skill in battle, but also because of his prior connections with his Danish "cousins" there. Perhaps the Duke felt that William was the best man to bring these proud, warlike and independent settlers under the control of their new King.
William was dead at the time of the Domesday survey in 1086, but the holdings at that time of his son Robert, and of his wife, give a good indication of the extent of his estates. He held large parts of what are today Suffolk and Norfolk, with smaller amounts of land in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Eye, in Suffolk appears to have been William's stronghold. Here he built a Motte and Bailey castle, after the Norman fashion. Nothing remains of the Norman fortifications, but the outline of the baileys and "Castle Mound", are still evident. There is even a slight indication of where the Market, founded by William Malet under Royal License would have been held.
William married Hesilia Crispin, by whom he had two sons, Robert and Gilbert, and one daughter, Beatrice. Robert and possibly Gilbert, along with their uncle Durand, accompanied their father at the battle of Hastings. The arms shown at the top of the page, likely carried by the Malets at Hastings, were used by many generations of the Malet family, both in England and in France, and can be seen on the Bayeux tapestry.
William was made Sheriff of York and granted considerable lands in Yorkshire following the building of the first Norman castle there (the mound now supports 'Clifford's Tower') in 1068. He and his fellow captains, Robert Fitz-Richard and William of Ghent, with 500 picked knights had to fight off a local revolt, headed by Edgar the Atheling; this in or shortly after January 1069. Robert Fitz-Richard and many of his men were killed and it was only by the timely arrival of King William that the City was saved. The natives remained restless and had another, token go, as soon as King William left but were quickly put down. The troops were strengthened and another castle built on the other side of the river from the original but, notwithstanding, in September 1069, William, his wife and two of his children were captured by a combined force of Danes and English under Sweyn of Denmark supported by Earls Waltheof and Gospatric and the Northumbrians, when York fell to them after a terrible fight. This led to King William ordering the burning and killing of everything in the north and Domesday, even 16 years later, records most of northern England as still being waste and uninhabited.
William, his wife and two children must have been released some time later and William retained most of his lands apart from those in Yorkshire, which will have come with the office of Sheriff, which had been taken from him. At some point the King awarded William the appellation of "Princep", and in the Chart granted by the King to the church of St. Martin le Grand, his signature appears as "Wilielmus Malet Princep". In the context of the times, Princep would likely have been interpreted as "leader, or chief". William is believed to have died fighting "Hereward the Wake" in the Fens near Ely Cathedral, which lies between South Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk (and in the middle of the Malet holdings), in 1071. The Domesday book records that "...He went into the marsh", and that "...he went on the King's service, where he died".
William is generally accepted to be the progenitor of many of the various branches of the Malet family (those that can trace their lines back that far), both in England and in France. The descendants of Durand continued to hold lands in Lincolnshire, and are recorded in Irby on Humber up to the 16th century.
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NORMAN SHERIFFS
By 1066, when William the Conqueror seized power, he replaced all of the existing sheriffs with his own loyal comrades in arms. When William conveyed the offices of sheriff to his Normans, he also bestowed to them the title "Vicomte," which added nobility to their positions. He allowed Vicomte sheriffs to build castles, a powerful symbol of privilege and a far greater honor than had ever been granted to prior Anglo-Saxon sheriffs. The castles were a sign of aggressive force. This fortification symbolism helped identify William as the incomparable authority in the newly conquered land.
The most famous William the Conqueror sheriff was a man named William Malet, a ferocious warrior. During the Battle of Hasting his horse was killed from under him. Mounting a fresh horse, he continued leading the charge, killing the enemy along the way, to a Norman victory. William continued to use Malet to crush insurgent forces within his reign.. . . As a reward, William named Malet the sheriff of Yorkshire.
King William sought aggressive types for the office of sheriff whose ambitions were consistent with his. Those willing to squeeze the peasants to their maximum were the best qualified in William's eyes. He instituted the practice of selling the office to the highest bidder. This brought forth evil men willing to pay exorbitant prices for the office and then willing to do whatever it took to recoup their investment. . . No one spoke out for the peasantry because their only representative to the king was the very sheriffs embezzling them. The most notorious was Picot, Sheriff of Cambridgeshire. . . . Monks describe him as:
a hungry lion, a prowling wolf, a crafty fox, a filthy swine, a dog without shame, who stuffed his belly like an insatiable beast as though the whole country were a single corpse.
If events reduced production within the shires and thereby reduced the prosperity of King William, the sheriff was then forced to press the peasants even more to make up for the deficiency. In 1083, William levied the highest tax assessment of his reign to make up for the previous year's famine and low production. . . . To enhance their income, sheriffs commonly pillaged Church properties. . . .
The only coin in circulation in twelfth century England was the silver penny. It was the responsibility of the sheriff to police the silver content in the coinage. If the sheriff failed to see that the tender did not meet quality assurance in the amount of silver content versus the alloy percentage, he was held personally liable for the shortage. Because this burden was placed on the sheriffs in the area that effected them the most, their pocketbooks. . . .Enforcement of the matter was particularly unkind under the reign of King Henry II to punish offenders that circulated "bastard" coins. The first offense routinely resulted in the severing of a hand or castration. . . .
The coming of King John in 1199 brought about one of the most stirring periods in the history of the medieval sheriff. . . . As King John waged war against the Welsh, the French, and the Irish, he placed the emphasis upon the sheriffs to finance his wars. . . . Because of the sheriff's authority and ability to raise funds, the 13th century saw the sheriff as the most powerful administrative force in medieval England. . . .
King John personally knew every one of the 100 or so sheriffs that he appointed between 1199 and 1216. Some were his intimate friends and most trusted advisors. In contrast to the prior practice of King Richard, he appointed only two members of the Church to the post. He instead chose to select intense, secular men, with strong military backgrounds. . . . His deliberate selection of men of harsh demeanor . . . was considered by people of his time as a substantive answer for the difficult issues of the day . . . tough men for tough times. . .
William married Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN 2275.,2276 Hesilia was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert MALET Lord Of Eye was born about 1046 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1106 in Battle Of Tinchebrai 2275 about age 60.
16088776915 ii. Alvarissa MALET (born about 1048 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France)
32177458594 iii. Walter De CAEN Lord Of Sibton (born about 1050 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France - died in Domesday Lord Of Sibton, Yorkshire, England)
iv. Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET was born about 1052 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
v. Gilbert MALET Of Curry Mallet was born in 1057 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1105 in Curry Mallet, Langport, Somerset, England at age 48.
32177553831. Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN,415,2275,2276 daughter of Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec and Gunnora D' AUNOU, was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
Hesilia married William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville 1651,2274.,2275 William was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
32177553834. Robert Fitz CORBET,2277 son of Hugh Le CORBEAU and Unknown, was born about 1042 in Pays DE Caux, Normandy, France 2277 and died after 1121 in Longden, Of Alcester, Warwickshire, England 2277.
General Notes:
Son of Corbet le Normand; present at the Conquest with his brother Roger and father Corbet. Granted 14 lordships in Shropshire. Assisted Roger de Montgomery in the government of his earldom of Shrewsbury. Robert held Longden and Alcester in Warwickshire, but his male line died out in the following generation. From him descended through the female line the Herberts, earls of Pembroke, Finches, earls of Winchelsea, and the earls of Huntingdon. Annora, sister of Alice, co-heir of Robert, m. William Boterill and was the mother of Reginald, earl of Cornwall, by Henry I. [Falaise Roll, pp. 11-12]
Accompanied his father to England at the Norman invasion and received large estates in Shropshire and elsewhere. He m. and had issue, Robert, Sibil and Alice. [Burke's, p. 641]
Son of Hugh le Corbet; father of Sybil. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]
Father of Matilda who m. John Esterling. [WFT Vol 3 Ped 2073]
Son of Hugh Corbeau; father of Sybilla who m. Herbert FitzHerbert and had children with Henry I Beauclerc, King of England.
Robert married in 1096 in , , France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553836. Hamon De LORD THORINGNI & TEWKESBURY 1372.,1375
Hamon married.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44657
The child from this marriage was:
32177553838. Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 son of Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois and Emma, was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
General Notes:
Shrewsbury, Earldom of: In early December 1074 Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury. As with other medieval earldoms, little distinction was then made between the county town and county proper when designating a specific name for a title, chiefly because an earl, who was then more or less and official, albeit often hereditary, was inconceivable except as earl of a county.
Roger was son of another Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of the Norman places (St Germain-de-Montgomery and Ste-Foy-de-Montgomery) of that name in the Calvados region. He was a prominent member of the nobles grouped around William (later William I of England, The Conqueror) of Normandy well before the 1066 invasion of England but stayed behind in Normandy during the actual enterprise. The year after Hastings he went to England and received land grants in Sussex. He is thought to have constructed the Castle of Montgomery (now in Powys, but formerly named Mongomeryshire after his family), doing so shortly before the Domesday Survey. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]
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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (I) 1074
EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (I) 1067
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY (who, in right of his 1st wife, Mabel de Bellême, daughter of William TALVAS, was LORD OF ALENCON, SEEZ, &c., in Normandy), having during the invasion of England, remained, as REGENT, in Normandy, came over thence, for the first time, with King William, in December 1067, and, at the Christmas festival, was created an EARL, receiving, among other large grants from the Conqueror, about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the CASTLE OF ARUNDEL.(a) By this last grant he may be considered to have become EARL OF ARUNDEL, according to the remarkable admission(b) in 1433 on the claim to that Earldom. At all events he was frequently so styled, though, occasionally, he is styled EARL OF CHICHESTER. Dugdale and many later writers consider him to have been EARL OF SUSSEX. On the dismemberment of Mercia, in 1070, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire (with, apparently, Palatine authority), together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as EARL OF SHREWSBURY, though occasionally (according to modern views, more correctly) as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE. He is the "COMES ROGIERUS " of the Domesday survey, where, of course, no local designation is attributed to him. He died 27 July 1094.
(a)This formed the Honour of Arundel, which consisted of the rapes of Arundel and Chichester, being two out of the six rapes into which Sussex is divided. It contained, besides the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel (as abovenamed), 84 1/2 knights' fees, ten hundreds (with their forests, woods and chases), three lordships (Halnaker, Petworth and Midhurst) eighteen parks and seventy-seven manors. See Tierney's Hist. of Arundel, p. 12. G.E.C.
It is pointed out however to the Editor by J. H. Round that, according to the latest view of archeologists, the castle may have been erected by Roger of Montgomery himself, after obtaining possession of the Honour. V.G.
(b)The claim to the Earldom as being one by tenure of the Castle of Arundel was made by John Arundel, who had been sum. to Parl. in 1429, the writ being directed "Johanni ArundeIl' de Arundell' Chivaler." In I433 (II Hen. VI) he petitioned [as Earl of Arundel] to be sum. to Parl. and considered as Earl of Arundel, a dignity or name united and annexed to the Castle and Lordship of Arundel, for time whereof memory of man was not to the contrary--a peculiar and distinct claim (as stated in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 406), " not connected with any general, but asserting a special right, and which being founded on prescription, was to be supported by evidence of constant and immemorial enjoyment of the asserted right, which right if not shown to have been so constantly enjoyed, the title by prescription failed. This claim, though opposed by John (Mowbray), Duke of Norfolk, was admitted by the Crown, notwithstanding that the assertion of the constant annexation of the title to the Castle of Arundel could not have been sustained, had it been (which it was not) made the subject of an enquiry." (Courthope, p. 30).
The claim then of 1433 was, as is stated above, "admitted by the Crown, or so far admitted as that the assertion in the petition is made the consideration (with others not connected with the question) for the King's acceding to it, with a saving, nevertheless, of the right of the King, of the Duke of Norfolk (who, being a coheir of the Earls of Arundel, had opposed the Earl's claim) and of every other person; which saving clause, as is remarked in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, was that species of saving which is deemed in law illusory operating nothing.' (Courthope, p. xx). See also Tierney's Historv of Arundel (vol. i, p. 106), where the judgment is set out, reciting "that Richard Fitz Alan was seized of the Castle, Honour and Lordship [of Arundel] in fee; that, by reason of his possession thereof, he was, without other reason or creation, EARL oF ARUNDEL, - &c."; and stating also, that "the King, contemplating the person of the present claimant, now Earl of Arundel, &c., has, with the advice and assent of the Prelates, Dukes, Earls and Barons in this present Parl. assembled, admitted John, now Earl of Arundel, to the place and seat anciently belonging to the Earls of Arundel in Parl. and council."
Almost similar words are used in the Act of Parl. obtained in 1627, which, in form of a petition to the King recites that the Earldom of Arundel had been real and local from the time whereof the memory of man was not to the contrary, and had, from the time aforesaid, been used and enjoyed bv the petitioner and such of his ancestors as had possessed the Castle of Arundel, &c. Now it is to be noted that the claimant of 1433 alleged that his ancestors, the possessors of Arundel, were Earls of Arundel, both bs(ore, as well as after, the Conquest. Fortunately, however King Harold and his father, Earl Godwin, have not to be included, and still less a long shadowy race of Earls extending upwards towards (even if not including) primeval man. The words "memory of man " must, of course, be read in their strict legal significance, as indicating the reign of Richard I, so that the Act of 1627 (and, possibly, the admission of 1433 also) would not apply to any Earl of Arundel, prior to I I 89.
The Redesdale Committee remarks on these proceedings that they "ought to be considered as an anomaly influenced by political views, and decided apparently without much discussion, and without the assistance of the judges." Moreover the assertion of fact by the claimant as to the Earldom having always depended on possession of the Castle in the past "seems not to have been true, and not to have been made the subject of enquiry when the question was decided." For a similar case of a charter creating a peerage, and setting out, as facts, unfounded statements of the grantee, see the Barony of LISLE, cr. 1444, in the same reign.
[Complete Peerage I:230-33, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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He [Roger de Montgomery, probably 3rd but 1st surviving son and heir of Roger I de Montgomery by Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. He m. 2ndly, Adelaide, daughter of Everard de Puiset. Roger d. 27 July 1094 at Shrewsbury and having been clothed as a monk three days before his death was buried there in the abbey which he had founded. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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The following additional information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI:683]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester, Earl of Shropshire or Salop, called Earl of Montgomery, Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney p696]
Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Heismois, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty p44]
Viscount of the Hiemois, Lord of the West Marches, Earl of Chichester, Shropshire, and Sussex [Ref: Turton]
1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI:683]
1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI:683]
Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI:683]
1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney p696]
1st Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: Doug Smith <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 27 Apr 2002]
Roger Earl of Shrewsbury. Also Roger of Montgomery. From Saint Germain de Montgomery, near Lisieux. Lord of Sussex rape of Arundel, with castle there; Earl of Shrewsbury from 1071-74 to death in 1094. Holdings in 12 counties in south, east and west. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086:
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as Earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the young Duke Robert as Duke William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothers, Hugh, Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osberne de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Continuing, Roger de Montgomery had four sons. Eldest was Robert, Count of Alencon, and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. He was followed by second son, Hugh, who inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury, the life custodian of the main Montgomery family domains granted in England. These would eventually go to Robert in 1098, purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds. Next youngest was Count Roger de Poitou who was made the first Earl of Lancaster by Duke William of Normandy, a less maganamious grant which befitted the third youngest son. Philip, the youngest, remained in Normandy and accompanied Duke Robert on the first crusade to the Holy land, and died there in 1094.
Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chief architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry. His son, Robert, described at the Conquest as a 'novice in arms', but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. Roger, the father, became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul (Kings of Scotland), Belmeis (Beaumais), Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. [found this online but didn't cite URL, sorry. Try google: keywords: (title above)]
Earl Roger's Shropshire Land Holdings
Alveley, Baschurch, Berwick (Shrewsbury), Cheney Longville, Chetton, Chirbury, Claverley, Corfham, Culmington, Donington, Dudston, Eardington, Edenhope, Edgmond, Ellesmere, Fenemere, Ford, High Ercall, Hockleton, Hodnet, Kingsmordley, Leebotwood, Loppington, Lydham, Minsterley, Montford, Morville, Netley, Oswestry, Poynton, Pulley, Quatford, Quatt, Rhiston, Romsley, Rorrington, Rowton, Rudge, Ruyton, Shavington, Shawbury, Shifnall, Shipley, Shrewsbury, Siefton, Smethcott, Spoonley, Stottesdon, Stretton, The Marsh, Tong Tuange, Walcot, Wellington, Whittingslow, Whittington, Wilderley, Wistanstow, Withington, Woodcote(Newport), Wotherton, Wrockwardine, Ackley, Aston, Basley, Churchstoke
[Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Shropshire.htm]
Regards,
Curt
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1375,1664 Lord of Alençon in Normandy via his marriage.
• Fact 3: Fact 3, 1066. 1372,1375,1664 Regent of Normandy when William the Conqueror invaded England.
• Fact 5: Fact 5. 1375,1664 Created Earl of Shrewsbury 1070 in the Welsh Marches at dismemberment of Mercia.
• Fact 6: Fact 6. 1372,1375,1966 Vicomte de Heimois.
• Fact 7: Fact 7. 1372,1375 Earl of Chicester, Seigneur de Montgoemry.
• Graduation: 1375,1664 Joined William in England in 1067 & was created Earl of Arundel.
Roger married Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON 1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Mabel was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44687
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962 1st wife
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962
Roger next married Adelaide De PUISET 1962 after 1079 in 2ND Wife.1962 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Le Puiset, Rochefort, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
32177553839. Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON,415,1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 daughter of William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme and Hildeburg De ALENÇON, was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
General Notes:
He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:
aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)
...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield <[email protected]> 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]
died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]
buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/
Mabel married Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury 588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Roger was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
32177553840. Amaury II Seigneur De MONTFORT,1377,1379,1382,2278 son of Guillaume Comte De MONTFORT and Miss De NOGENT, was born about 1000 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 and died from after 4 February 1052 to 1053 1377,1379,1382.
General Notes:
THE ANCESTORS OF SIMON DE MONTFORT EARL OF LEICESTER (I)
Amauri de Montfort attested charters of Robert I of France in 1022, 1028, and 4 Feb 1031. He is said to have been son of a William of Hainault, who is not otherwise known. He appears to have begun the building of Montfort, described as a "castrum" which was completed by his son Simon. He is said to have m. Bertrade. The date of his death is unknown. He left two sons, Simon, his successor, and Mainer; and probably a daughter Eve who m. William Crispin. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:708]
Note: Leo van de Plas, citing "Les seize quartiers des Reines et Imperatrices Francaises", 1977, Jacques Saillot, takes the ancestry two more generations back at Montfort (not Hainault).
Amaury married Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ 1382,2278 in 1028 in Ile DE France, France.1382 Bertrade was born about 1010 in Gometz, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1053 1379.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Eva De MONTFORT was born about 1045 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.
32177553841. Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ,415,1382,2278 daughter of Guillaume De GOMETZ De Bures and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Gometz, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1053 1379.
Bertrade married Amaury II Seigneur De MONTFORT 1377,1379,1382,2278 in 1028 in Ile DE France, France.1382 Amaury was born about 1000 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 and died from after 4 February 1052 to 1053 1377,1379,1382.
32177553842. Richard Comte D' EVREUX,415,1449,2279 son of Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen and Havlive De ROUEN, was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.
Richard married.
Richard married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 990 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779888 i. William Comte D' EVREUX (born about 1010 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France)
Richard next married Godheut 1449,2279 after 1038 in 2ND Husband 1449.,2279 Godheut was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776921 i. Agnes D' EVREUX (born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France)
32177553843. Godheut 415,1449,2279 was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
Godheut married Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI 1449,2280 before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Roger was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ralph III De TOENI De Conches was born between 1025 and 1030 in Conches, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2281 and died from 24 March 1101 to 1102 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1449,2281 about age 75. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De CONCHES.
ii. Alice (Adelise) De TOENI was born in 1033 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 5 October 1070 in Abbey Of Lire, Anjou, France 2282 at age 37.
iii. Robert De STAFFORD Sheriff Of Stafford, Sir was born about 1035 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France, died about 1088 in Stafford, Staffordshire, England 1449,2283 about age 53, and was buried in Abbey, Evesham, Worcester, England.
Godheut next married Richard Comte D' EVREUX 1449,2279 after 1038 in 2ND Husband 1449.,2279 Richard was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.
32177553872. Ivo Vicomte De COTENTIN,415,2021,2284 son of Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1023 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France.
General Notes: Kay Allen, probably giving the "classic" view of Ivo's issue, states that Ivo was father of Nigel and alleged father of Odard. There are a lot of people that do not accept this due to a lack of evidence.
Ivo married Emma De BRITTANY. Emma was born about 1025 in Bretagne, France.
Children from this marriage were:
16088776936 i. Neel (Nigel) Constable Of CHESTER (born about 1043 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France - died in 1092 in Chester, Cheshire, England)
ii. Odard Lord Of DUTTON was born in 1046 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in Dutton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England.
iii. Wolfaith De HATTON was born about 1054 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in Hatton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England.
32177553873. Emma De BRITTANY,415 daughter of Geoffrey II Of BRITTANY and Kadwidge De NORMANDY, was born about 1025 in Bretagne, France.
Emma married Ivo Vicomte De COTENTIN 2021.,2284 Ivo was born about 1023 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France.
32177553880. Adalbert Count De GAND,415,1601,1746,2285 son of Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 994 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died about 1032 2286 about age 38.
Adalbert married Ermengarde De FLANDERS 1601,2285 about 1021 in Gand, Flanders Now Belgium. Ermengarde was born in 1005 in Flanders Now Belgium.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Reingot De GAND was born about 1025 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium.
32177553881. Ermengarde De FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2285 daughter of Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG, was born in 1005 in Flanders Now Belgium.
Ermengarde married Adalbert Count De GAND 1601,2285 about 1021 in Gand, Flanders Now Belgium. Adalbert was born about 994 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died about 1032 2286 about age 38.
32177553882. Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2287,2288 son of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.
General Notes: Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. c 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm and Luxembourg; m. before 995, Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]
Frederick married Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG 1601,2287,2289,2290 before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Irmtrud was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 988 in Luxemburg and died from 21 February 1029 to 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium 2291 about age 41.
ii. Ermengarde (Judith) Countess Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 990 in Limburg, Belgium 2292 and died in 1055 2292 about age 65.
iii. Otgina was born in 988 in <Of, Limburg, Limburg, Belgium> and died in Y.
v. Irmtrud Countess Of LUXEMBURG was born in 990 in <Of, Limburg, Limburg, Belgium> and died in 1055 at age 65.
vi. Frederick II Count Of LUXEMBOURG was born in 1006 in Luxembourg, died on 28 August 1065 2293 at age 59, and was buried in Duke Of Lower Lotharingia.2293
16088776941 vii. Gisele Of LUXEMBOURG (born about 1010 in Luxemburg - died after 1058 in Chapel Of St Lawrence, Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium)
viii. Hermann I Von GLEIBURG was born about 1012 in Gleiburg, Germany and died after 1075.
ix. Jutta Countess Of LUXEMBOURG was born in 1000 in <Of, Limburg, Limburg, Belgium> and died on 21 August 1057 at age 57.
Frederick next married Countess Of Luxembourg ERMENTRUDE.1601 Countess was born in <Of, , Moselgau, France> and died in Y.
32177553883. Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG,415,1601,1746,2287,2289,2290 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.
General Notes: Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]
Note: Turton has Ermentrude (no last name) as daughter of Mengasus, d. 1001, by Gerberge, daughter of Godfrey (no last names). Mengasus & Gerberge look to be her maternal grandparetns. I am following AR above.
Irmtrud married Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG 1601,2287,2288 before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Frederick was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.
32177553884. Hugh I De MONTFORT,415,905 son of Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg De MONTFORT and Unknown, was born in 975 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1037 in Normandy, France 905 about age 62.
General Notes: Hugh de Montfort, commonly called Hugh with a Beard, son of Thurstan de Bastenburgh, accompanied William the Conqueror into England and aided that prince's triumph at Hastings, for which eminent service he obtained divers fair lordships and, at the time of the General Survey, was possessor of twenty-eight in Kent, with a large portion of Romney Marsh; sixteen in Essex; fifty-one in Suffolk; and nineteen in Norfolk. This gallant soldier eventually lost his life in a duel with Walcheline de Ferrers, and was s. by his son, Hugh de Montford. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 377, Montfort, Barons Montfort]
Note: According to Turton, Hugh d. in 1037, and his son Hugh d. about 1066 (maybe at the battle of Hastings?); so the above statement is not necessarily true.
Hugh married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776942 i. Hugh II Count De MONTFORT (born in 1020 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France - died about 1066)
32177553886. Richard De BEAUFFOU,415,905 son of Raoul De BEAUFFOU and Unknown, was born in 1016 in Beauffou, Normandy, France and died about 1081 905 about age 65.
Richard married Emme De BAYEUX.905 902 Emme was born in 1017 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776943 i. Alice De BEAUFFOU (born in 1033 in Beauffou, Normandy, France)
32177553887. Emme De BAYEUX,415,905 daughter of Ancitel Vicomte De BAYEUX and Poppa De SENLIS, was born in 1017 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.
General Notes: The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 88, has Emme's parents as Raoul & Erneburge, whom I have as her grandparents.
Emme married Richard De BEAUFFOU.905 902 Richard was born in 1016 in Beauffou, Normandy, France and died about 1081 905 about age 65.
32177554176. Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys,505,1034 son of Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys and Nest Verch CADELL, was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
General Notes:
All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Little is known of Cynfyn. His fame, like that of many of his descendants, was only the reflection of the fame of his distinguished wife. There is no evidence that he ever attempted to rule in the right of his wife as did her first husband. The sons of Cynfyn and Angharad were Bleddyn and Rhiwallon. The pedigree of Cynfyn which appears in Vol 1, p 63 of the Historical Manuscripts Commission, London, 1898, extends back through twenty-two generations to Beli Mawr and Anna through their son Llud. Prof Lloyd thinks that it is mythical. It is certainly incomplete. It would require many more thatn twenty-two generation to cover the period of more than one thousand years. In the History of Radnorshire it is stated that Cynfyn was the son of Gwerstan and the grandson of Gwaethfoed Fawr. [The Weave Genealogy]
Cynfyn married Angharad Verch MAREDUDD 1034,2294 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Angharad was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
i. Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
16088777088 ii. Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys (born about 1025 in Powis, Montgomeryshire, Wales - died in 1075)
iii. Rhiwallon Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys was born in 1026 in Powys, Wales 1034 and died in 1070 in Battle Of Mechain 1034 at age 44.
iv. Ferch Cynfyn was born about 1012 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177554177. Angharad Verch MAREDUDD,505,1034,2294 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Miss Verch LLANDILO, was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Angharad married Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales,1034,2294 son of Seisyll Ap EDNYWAIN and Prawst Verch ELISE, about 994 in 1st Husband.2294 Llywelyn was born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2294 and died in 1023 1034,2294 at age 43.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Gruffudd Ap LLEWELYN Prince Of Wales was born in 1011 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died on 5 August 1063 in Slain 1034,2295,2296 at age 52.
Angharad next married Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys 1034 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Cynfyn was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177554178. Cynillin Ap Y Blaidd RYDD,505,1034 son of Blaidd "Rhudd" CYLLYN and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died about 1024 in Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034 about age 24.
Cynillin married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777089 i. Haer Verch CYNILLIN (born about 1025 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales - died after 1050 in Caernarvonshire, Wales)
32177554180. Morien Ap MORGENEU,505,1034 son of Morgeneu Ap ELYSTAN and Unknown, was born about 1012 in Powys, Wales.1034
Morien married Gwenllian Verch RHYS.1034 Gwenllian was born about 1012 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
16088777090 i. Einudd Ap MORIEN (born about 1052 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales)
32177554181. Gwenllian Verch RHYS,505,1034 daughter of Rhys Ap MARCHAN and Unknown, was born about 1012 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Gwenllian married Morien Ap MORGENEU.1034 Morien was born about 1012 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177554182. Llywelyn Ap Dolffyn,1034 son of Dolffyn Ap Iorwerth and Unknown, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Llywelyn married Tangwystl Ferch Iorwerth.1034 Tangwystl was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
16088777091 i. Efa Verch LLEWELYN (born about 1060 in Denbighshire, Wales)
32177554183. Tangwystl Ferch Iorwerth,1034 daughter of Iorwerth "Swdrgrin" Ap Gronwy and Unknown, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Tangwystl married Llywelyn Ap Dolffyn.1034 Llywelyn was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
32177554184. Ieuaf Ap Cadwgon,1034 son of Cadwgon Ap Elystan and Angharad Ferch Llawr, was born about 1004 in Radnorshire, Wales.1034
Ieuaf married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777092 i. Hywel Ap Ieuaf (born est 1040 in Radnorshire, Wales)
32177554188. Tewdwr "Mawr-The Great" Ap CADELL King S. Wales,505,2297 son of Cadell Ab EINION and Elinor Verch GWERYSTAN, was born about 1000 in Deheubarth, Wales.
Tewdwr married.
The child from this marriage was:
Tewdwr married Gwenllian Verch GWYN. Gwenllian was born in 1020 in Dyvet, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Elen Verch TEWDWR was born in 1050 in Dynevor Castle, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
ii. Rhydderch Ap TEWDWR was born in 1055 in Derllys, Gwarthaf, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
32177554190. Rhiwallon Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys,505,1034,2028 son of Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, was born in 1026 in Powys, Wales 1034 and died in 1070 in Battle Of Mechain 1034 at age 44.
General Notes:
The following was given to me in an e-mail by Betty Knoche:
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 9/13/03 12:26 PM
Subject: Bits & pieces -
Hi Jim
Came across some bits of info from British Kings and Queens by Mark Ashley and thought would pass them on to you.
Rhiwallon ap Cynfyn died 1070 - page 353
("The battle of Mechain in 1070 was decisive, for there Maredudd, Idwal and Rhiwallon fell, leaving Bleddyn the sole ruler of Gwynedd and Powys.")
Rhiwallon married Rhiwallon Ap Cynfyn.1034 Rhiwallon was born about 1015 in Powys, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
i. Gwladus Ferch Rhiwallon was born about 1026 in Powys, Wales.1034
Rhiwallon next married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Janet Verch RHIWALLON was born about 1048 in Powys, Wales.
16088777095 ii. Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON (born about 1060 in Powys, Wales)
32177554192. Iago Ab IDWAL,505,1034,1386 son of Idwal Ap MEURIG and Unknown, was born about 964 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 1039 1034 about age 75.
Iago married Afandreg Verch GWAIR.1034 Afandreg was born about 964 in Aberffro, Anglesey, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
16088777096 i. Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales (born about 1004 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales)
ii. Crisli Verch IAGO was born in 983 in Gwynedd, Wales.
32177554193. Afandreg Verch GWAIR,505,1034 daughter of Gwair Ap PILL and Unknown, was born about 964 in Aberffro, Anglesey, Wales.1034
Afandreg married Iago Ab IDWAL 1034.,1386 Iago was born about 964 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 1039 1034 about age 75.
32177554194. Olaf Sitricsson King Of DUBLIN,505,2298 son of Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of DUBLIN & York and Slani O'BRIEN, was born about 1000 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 1034 in Slain By "Saxons" Enroute To Rome On Pilgrimage 2298 about age 34.
Olaf married Maelcorcre Of LEINSTER.2298 Maelcorcre was born about 1000 in Leinster, Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777097 i. Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN (born about 1031 in Dublin, Ireland)
32177554195. Maelcorcre Of LEINSTER,505,2298 daughter of Dunlaing King Of LEINSTER and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Leinster, Ireland.
Maelcorcre married Olaf Sitricsson King Of DUBLIN.2298 Olaf was born about 1000 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 1034 in Slain By "Saxons" Enroute To Rome On Pilgrimage 2298 about age 34.
32177554196. Edwin Ap GRONWY,247,505,1034 son of Gronwy Ab EINION and Ethelfleda Verch EDWIN, was born in 1020 in Tegeingl, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1073 in Northop, Flintshire, Wales 1034 at age 53.
Edwin married Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN 1034 after 1040 in 2ND Husband. Iwerydd was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
16088777098 i. Owain Ap EDWIN (born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1105)
ii. Uchdrud Ap EDWIN was born about 1050 in Tegeingl, Flintshire, Wales.
32177554197. Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN,505,1034 daughter of Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
Iwerydd married Owain Ap EDWIN,1034,2031 son of Edwin Ap GRONWY and Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN. Owain was born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1105 1034 about age 61.
Iwerydd next married Gwrgan Ab ITHEL Of Morgannwg, Lord Of Glamorgan, son of Ithel Ab IDWALLON Of Morgannwg and Unknown, before 1039 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife. Gwrgan was born about 978 in Morgannwg, Wales and died after 1045.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Iestyn (Jestyn) Ap GWRGAN Lord Of Glamorgan was born about 1040 in Glamorganshire, Wales and died after 1093 in Monastery, Llangenyw, Denbighshire, Wales.
ii. Myfanwy Verch GWRGAN was born about 1045 in Morgannwg, Wales.
Iwerydd next married Edwin Ap GRONWY 247,1034 after 1040 in 2ND Husband. Edwin was born in 1020 in Tegeingl, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1073 in Northop, Flintshire, Wales 1034 at age 53.
32177554198. Ednywain I Ap NEINIAD,505,1034 son of Neiniad Ap GWAETHFOED and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1079 1034.
Ednywain married Gwerful Verch LLUDDICA.1034 Gwerful was born about 1000 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1070 1034.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777099 i. Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN (born about 1044 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales)
32177554199. Gwerful Verch LLUDDICA,505,1034 daughter of Lluddica Ap TEWDWR Lord Of Chirk and Angharad Verch IAGO, was born about 1000 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1070 1034.
Gwerful married Ednywain I Ap NEINIAD.1034 Ednywain was born about 1000 in Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1079 1034.
32177554200. Caradog Ap GWYN,505,1034 son of Gwyn Ap Gollwyn and Unknown, was born in 1014 in Powys, Wales.1034
Caradog married Ferch Gwerystan.1034 Ferch was born about 974 in Powys, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
32177554201. Ferch Gwerystan,1034 daughter of Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys and Nest Verch CADELL, was born about 974 in Powys, Wales.1034
Ferch married Caradog Ap GWYN.1034 Caradog was born in 1014 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177554202. Gruffudd Ap LLEWELYN Prince Of Wales,505,1034,2034,2295,2299 son of Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, was born in 1011 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died on 5 August 1063 in Slain 1034,2295,2296 at age 52.
General Notes: King of Gwynedd & Powys (1039), and Deheubarth (1055)
Gruffudd married Edith (Aldgyth) Of MERCIA 1034,2299 about 1057.2296 Edith was born about 1041 in Saxe, Mercia, England 1034 and died after 1086 1034,2300.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777101 i. Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD (born about 1057 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1153)
ii. Ann Verch GRUFFUDD was born about 1058 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales.
32177554203. Edith (Aldgyth) Of MERCIA,505,1034,2299 daughter of Aelfgar III Earl Of East Anglia & MERCIA and Aelfgifu Of The Seven BOROUGHS, was born about 1041 in Saxe, Mercia, England 1034 and died after 1086 1034,2300.
Edith married Gruffudd Ap LLEWELYN Prince Of Wales 1034,2034,2295,2299 about 1057.2296 Gruffudd was born in 1011 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died on 5 August 1063 in Slain 1034,2295,2296 at age 52.
Edith next married Harold II Godwinson "The Saxon" King Of ENGLAND 1411,2301,2302 about 1064 in 2ND Husband 2ND "Wife".2300 Harold was born about 1022 in Sussex, England 2301 and died on 14 October 1066 in Battle Of Hastings, Sussex, England 2301 about age 44.
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1066-1066. 2303
32177554204. Cadwgon Ap ELYSTAN Of Buillth,505 son of Elystan Glodryd Ap CUHELYN Of Buillth and Gwenllian Verch EINION, was born about 985 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales.
Cadwgon married Efa Verch GWRGAN. Efa was born about 1000 in Glamorgan, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777102 i. Iorwerth Ap CADWGON (born about 1020 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales)
ii. Joan Verch CADWGON was born about 1022 in Radnorshire, Wales.
Cadwgon next married Angharad Verch LLAWR, daughter of Unknown and Lleucu Verch MAREDUDD. Angharad was born in 1020 in Deheubarth, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Idnerth Ap CADWGON was born in 1044 in Radnorshire, Wales.
ii. Constance "Wen" Verch CADWGON was born about 1065 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales.
32177554205. Efa Verch GWRGAN,505 daughter of Gwrgan Ab ITHEL Of Morgannwg, Lord Of Glamorgan and Nest Verch GWYN, was born about 1000 in Glamorgan, Wales.
Efa married Cadwgon Ap ELYSTAN Of Buillth. Cadwgon was born about 985 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales.
32177554206. Aaron Ap PAEN 505 was born in 1021 in Cwm Aron, Ceri, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
Aaron married.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777103 i. Gwenllian Verch ARON (born about 1042 in Cwm Aron, Ceri, Montgomeryshire, Wales)
ii. Dyddgu Verch ARON was born in 1052 in Cwm Aron, Ceri, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
32177554208. Roger CORBET Lord Of Worthen,415 son of Hugh Le CORBET and Unknown, was born about 1050 in Pays D'auge, Calvados, Normandy, France and died from after January 1121 to 1122 in Worthen, Forden, Shropshire, England.
General Notes: Roger Corbet. Alive at least between 1080 & 1122. May have fought at the Battle of Hastings. Held 24 manors in Shropshire in 1086 (Domesday Survey).
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The following material was excerpted from The Corbet Study Group, J.C. Nobel, online at
http://website.lineone.net/~corbett_group/First/people.htm:
The Anglo Norman Corbets by Barbara Coulton
Roger fitz Corbet's largest manor was Worthen, north of Rea Brook: its 14½ hides supported men-at-arms as well as villagers. His other twenty-four manors included Yockleton, Westbury and Wattlesborough to the north and Pontesbury to the east of Worthen; further east lay his brother's chief manor of Longden. The site which later became the caput of the Corbet barony is not mentioned in early records, but it will be as well to review at this point what has been written of Cause - the first known reference to which occurs some fifty years after the Domesday Survey. It has already been pointed out that Corbet was probably associated with the Pays d'Auge. Later documents testify to the presence of the family in that area: holding land at Crocy in Calvados; donating land to the abbey of St-Martin and Ste Barbara at Ste-Barbe-en-Auge.12 Most accounts of the family follow R.W.Eyton in locating the family in another part of Normandy, the Pays de Caux. Eyton asserts this as a fact, without citing original sources. He was following an idea of J.B.Blakeway, but Blakeway was by no means so definite: "what seems nearly certain is, that the family settled in the Pais de Caux." He gives no references for this supposition. The source he uses for an early Corbet lineage, the Histoire du Cambray et du Cambresis par Jean le Carpentier, Leyden 1664, deals with another branch of the family, and there is no reference to the Pays de Caux.13 What seems to be at work is a wish to derive the place-name Caus/Cause from Caux, without any good evidence.
Note: In order to play it safe, I have the father Hugh of both Pays de Caux and Pays d'Auge.
Roger married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554288. Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,1784,2304,2305 son of Count Of Orleans Robert "Fortis\The Strong" Duke Of FRANCE and Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in 870 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France 2263,2306,2307,2308 and died on 15 June 923 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle) 1436,1524,1784,2263,2308,2309 at age 53. Other names for Robert were Robert I Robertien, Roi De FRANCE, Robert I Count Of PARIS, Robert I, and King De PARIS.2308
General Notes:
French king (922–23), son of Count Robert the Strong and younger brother of King Eudes. He inherited from Eudes the territory between the Seine and the Loire rivers. In 922, Robert led a rebellion against King Charles III (Charles the Simple) and was crowned king by a party of nobles and clergy, but he was soon killed in battle. His son-in-law, Raoul of Burgundy, succeeded him. His son was Hugh the Great.
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 922-923.
Robert married Adelaide D' ALSACE,1784,2310 daughter of Hugh Comte De BOURGES and Unknown, in 1st Wife.2307 Adelaide was born about 870 in France and died before 894. Other names for Adelaide were Aelis Of ALSACE, and2042 Adele De FRANCE.2308
Children from this marriage were:
i. Richilde Of The WEST FRANKS was born in 892.
ii. Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.
Robert next married Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS 1524,1601,2309 before 894 in 2ND Wife 1436,2309.,2312 Béatrice was born about 880 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 1436,1447 and died after March 930-31 1436,2313. Another name for Béatrice was Béatrix.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Amaury I Seigneur De MONTFORT was born about 920 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1382 and died in 983 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 about age 63.
iii. Emma, Princess Of FRANCE was born about 898 in , , , France 2042 and died from 934 to 935 about age 36.
Robert next married Adèle Queen Of FRANCE.1601 Adèle was born in <Bourgogne, Marneogne, France> and died before 890.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Adela Of NEUSTRIA was born in 890.
32177554289. Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2309 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born about 880 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 1436,1447 and died after March 930-31 1436,2313. Another name for Béatrice was Béatrix.
Béatrice married Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE 1524,1601,1784,2304,2305 before 894 in 2ND Wife 1436,2309.,2312 Robert was born in 870 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France 2263,2306,2307,2308 and died on 15 June 923 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle) 1436,1524,1784,2263,2308,2309 at age 53. Other names for Robert were Robert I Robertien, Roi De FRANCE, Robert I Count Of PARIS, Robert I, and King De PARIS.2308
32177554290. Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1598,1601,1746,2314,2315,2316 son of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 919-936.
Heinrich married Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM 1601,2316,2319,2320 in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Matilda, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777145 i. Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY (born in 910 in Saxony, Germany - died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia)
ii. King Of The Germans Otto I "The Great" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born on 23 November 912 in Saxony, Germany 1436,2322 and died on 7 May 973 in Memleben, Saxony, Germany 1436,2322,2323 at age 60. Other names for Otto were Otto The Illustrious, Otto I The Great, and King Of GERMANY.
iii. Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame was born about 913 in Nordhausen, Saxony, Prussia,2324 died on 5 May 984 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 2314,2325,2326,2327,2328 about age 71, and was buried in Reims, Champagne, France. Other names for Gerberga were Gerberge Of The GERMANS, Gerberga Of GERMANY, Gerberge Von SACHSEN, and Gerberge Of SAXONY.
iv. Henry I Duke Of BAVARIA was born about 914 in Saxony and died on 1 November 955 in Bavaria 2329,2330 about age 41. Another name for Henry was Heinrich I Count Of BAYERN.
v. Adelheid Or Hatwide GERMANY was born in 917 in <, Saxony, Germany> and died in Y.
vi. Henrich II (I) SAXONY was born in 919 in , Saxony, Germany 1436 and died on 1 November 955 in Bavaria 1436,2329,2330 at age 36. Another name for Henrich was Heinrich I Count Of BAYERN.
vii. Kanzler Of The Holy Roman Bruno I Archbishop Of KOLN was born about 925 in , , Saxony, Germany, died on 11 October 965 about age 40, and was buried in St Pantaleon, Koln, Rheinland, Germany. Another name for Bruno was Brunon I, Count Of BRUNSWICK.
Heinrich next married Hatheburg Countess Of MERSEBURG 1601 about 905 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany>. Hatheburg was born in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> and died in Y.
32177554291. Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2316,2319,2320 daughter of Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM and Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.
General Notes:
Daughter of Count Dietrich of Westphalia and Reinhild of Denmark, she was raised by her grandmother, abbess of the Eufurt. In 913, Matilda left the abbey, and married of King Henry the Fowler of Saxony, who had received an annulment from a previous marriage. Mother of Otto, Holy Roman Emporer; Henry the Quarrelsome, Duke of Bavaria; Saint Bruno, Archbishop of Cologne; Gerberga, wife of King Louis IV of France; Hedwig, mother of Hugh Capet. Betrayed by Otto after Henry the Fowler's death when he falsely accused her of financial mismanagement. Founded several Benedictine. Well known throughout the realm for her generosity, she taught the ignorant, comforted the sick, and visited prisoners. 1741
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 14 May 968. 1784
Matilda, married Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1598,1601,2315,2316 in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Heinrich was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.
32177554300. Elias I GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield 415,631,760,2049 was born about 1060 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1130 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England 1389,2049.
General Notes:
In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc. [Complete Peerage V:639 note (c)] 2331
Elias married Ala 1389.,2049 Ala was born in 1065 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Mr. GIFFARD Of Luddesdown was born about 1100 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England and died in Luddesdown, Strood, Kent, England.
32177554301. Ala 415,631,1389,2049 was born in 1065 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England.
Ala married Elias I GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield 760.,2049 Elias was born about 1060 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1130 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England 1389,2049.
32177554302. Richard FITZPONS Lord Of Cantref Bychan 415,631,760,2018,2049,2332 was born about 1078 in Lahnyndhry Castle, Wales and died after 1127 in Leach, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1389,2333. Another name for Richard was Richard FITZPONS Of Frampton.
General Notes:
Lord of Clifford. He was nephew and heir of Drogo and Walter, sons of an earlier Pons. 1389
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1130. 2018
Richard married Maud Fitzwalter De PITRES Heir Of Ullingswick.2333 Maud was born about 1088 in Ullingswick, Bromyard, Herefordshire, England. Another name for Maud was Maud Of GLOUCESTER.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777151 i. Bertha (Berta) FITZPONCE (born about 1112 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England - died after 1167)
ii. Walter I Fitzrichard De CLIFFORD Sir was born about 1115 of Corfham And Culminton, Shropshire, England 760 and died in 1190 in Godstow, Oxfordshire, England 2018 about age 75.
32177554303. Maud Fitzwalter De PITRES Heir Of Ullingswick,415,631,2333 daughter of Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester and Bertha, was born about 1088 in Ullingswick, Bromyard, Herefordshire, England. Another name for Maud was Maud Of GLOUCESTER.
Maud married Richard FITZPONS Lord Of Cantref Bychan 760,2018,2049.,2332 Richard was born about 1078 in Lahnyndhry Castle, Wales and died after 1127 in Leach, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1389,2333. Another name for Richard was Richard FITZPONS Of Frampton.
32177554432. Raoul I Seigneur De TANCARVILLE,415 son of Gerard Seigneur De TANCARVILLE and Helesinde, was born about 1034 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1080 about age 46. Another name for Raoul was Ralph Sire De TANKERVILLE.
Raoul married Helvise De L' ESPINAY. Helvise was born about 1040 in Espinoy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777216 i. Guillaume Seigneur De TANCARVILLE (born about 1062 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died in 1129)
32177554433. Helvise De L' ESPINAY 415 was born about 1040 in Espinoy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.
Helvise married Raoul I Seigneur De TANCARVILLE. Raoul was born about 1034 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1080 about age 46. Another name for Raoul was Ralph Sire De TANKERVILLE.
32177554434. William Vicomte D' ARQUES,415,2334,2335,2336 son of Godfrey Vicomte D' ARQUES and Amelie De ROUEN, was born about 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Thorpe Arche, Yorkshire, England. Other names for William were William De ARCHES, and2275 Guillaume D' ARQUES.
General Notes: From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families":
William of Arques has been the subject of an exhaustive study by Professor D. C. Douglas in the introduction to his edition "The Domesday Monacharum of Christ Church Canterbury", where full references are given to the authorities; and it is unnecessary to go over the ground again. Briefly he held Folkestone, Kent, and was the son of Godfrey Vicomte of Arques. The identity of the tenant of Folkstone is established by the fact that it passed to Nigel de Monville who had married his daughter and coheiress Emma. He must not be confused with William of Arques, a monk of Moleme who was a counsellor of Robert Curthose, and still less with William, count of Arques, the uncle of William the Conqueror. The ruined castle of Arques-la-Bataille is well known.
William married Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET 2275,2335,2336 before 1071 in 2ND Wife. Beatrice was born about 1052 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777217 i. Maud D' ARQUES (born about 1072 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)
ii. Emma D' ARQUES Heiress Of Folkstone was born about 1074 in Folkstone, Kent, England.
William next married Beatrice De BOLBEC in 1st Wife. Beatrice was born about 1035 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1071.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554435. Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET,415,2275,2335,2336 daughter of William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville and Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN, was born about 1052 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
Beatrice married William Vicomte D' ARQUES 2334,2335,2336 before 1071 in 2ND Wife. William was born about 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Thorpe Arche, Yorkshire, England. Other names for William were William De ARCHES, and2275 Guillaume D' ARQUES.
32177555224. Biorn ULFIUSSON Jarl Of Denmark,415,2018 son of Ulfius SHRATLINGUSSON and Unknown, was born about 970 in Denmark and died in 1049 in Murdered In Bosham, Sussex, England about age 79. Another name for Biorn was Biorn ESTRIDSEN Jarl Of Denmark.
Biorn married.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777612 i. Sigurd (Syward) BIORNSSON Jarl Of Northumbria (born about 1005 in Denmark - died in 1055 in York, Yorkshire, England)
ii. Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR Of Northumbria was born about 1010 in Northumbria, England and died in 1040 1416 about age 30. Another name for Sibyl was Sibyl Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
32177555226. Aldred Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA,1732,2018,2051 son of Uchtred I Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA and Ecgfrida Of DURHAM, was born about 983 in Northumbria, England and died in 1038 about age 55. Another name for Aldred was Aldred Of BERNICIA.
Aldred married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777613 i. Aelflaed Of NORTHUMBRIA (born about 1015 in Bernicia, Northumbria, England)
32177555228. Eustace I Count Of BOULOGNE,2053,2337,2338 son of Baudouin II Comte De BOULOGNE and Adele Of HOLLAND, was born about 1004 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1049 2337,2338 about age 45.
Eustace married Mahaut (Maud) De LOUVAIN.2337 Mahaut was born about 1004 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Eustace II Count Of BOULOGNE was born about 1018 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 1080 2339 about age 62.
ii. Gerberge Of BOULOGNE was born about 1020 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 1049 about age 29.
32177555229. Mahaut (Maud) De LOUVAIN,2337 daughter of Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN and Gerberga Of LORRAINE, was born about 1004 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium.
Mahaut married Eustace I Count Of BOULOGNE 2053,2337.,2338 Eustace was born about 1004 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1049 2337,2338 about age 45.
32177555230. Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,891,1601,1746,2079,2263,2264 son of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
General Notes:
Robert I, byname ROBERT The MAGNIFICENT, or The DEVIL, French ROBERT le MAGNIFIQUE, or le DIABLE (d. July 1035, Nicaea), duke of Normandy (1027-35), the younger son of Richard II of Normandy and the father, by his mistress Arlette, of William the Conqueror of England. On the death of his father (1026/27), Robert contested the duchy with his elder brother Richard III, legally the heir, until the latter's opportune death a few years later. A strong ruler, Robert succeeded in exacting the obedience of his vassals. On the death of Robert II the Pious, king of France (1031), a crisis arose over the succession to the French throne. The Duke gave his support to Henry I against the party favouring his younger brother; in reward for his services he demanded and received the Vexin Français, a territory not far north of Paris. A patron of the monastic reform movement, he died while returning from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Robert married Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE 891,1062,1601,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 in 1023 in No Marriage. Herleve was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
Robert next married Herluin De CENTEVILLE in <, Normandy, France>. Herluin was born in <, Normandy, France> and died in Y.
Robert next married Estrid (Margret) Of NORMANDY 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Estrid was born in <, Normandy, France> and died in Y.
Robert next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1028 in <, Normandy, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.
32177555231. Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE,415,891,1062,1601,1746,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 daughter of Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE and Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND, was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
General Notes:
Said to have m. Gilbert, count of Brionne, and to be the mother of his sons, Richard and Baldwin. [Falaise Roll, p. 81]
Liaison with Robert I of Normandy produced William I, Duke of Normandy, and Adelheid. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 269-70]
Sister and heiress of the Earl of Brion. [Magna Charta Barons, p. 85]
b. 1003, d. 1050. [Judy Martin]
Herleve married Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY 891,1601,2079,2263,2264 in 1023 in No Marriage. Robert was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
Herleve next married Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE 891,1601,2252,2253 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Harlevin was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
32177555328. Geoffroy II "Ferreol" Count Of GASTINOIS, son of Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Of, Chateau Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, France and died on 1 April 1046 in , , Anjou, France about age 46.
Geoffroy married Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois] 1601,2242 in 1035 in , , , France. Ermengarde was born in 1018 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2243 at age 57.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Geoffroy III "Le Barbu" Count Of ANJOU was born about 1039 in Of, , Anjou, France and died from 1096 to 1097 about age 57.
iii. Hildegarde De GASTINOIS was born about 1041 in Of, Courtenay, Loiret, France.
32177555329. Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois],415,1601,1746,2242 daughter of Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' ANJOU Count and Hildegarde Countess Of ANJOU, was born in 1018 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2243 at age 57.
Ermengarde married Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY 1601,2237,2238 about 1048 in France. Robert was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.
Ermengarde next married Geoffroy II "Ferreol" Count Of GASTINOIS in 1035 in , , , France. Geoffroy was born about 1000 in Of, Chateau Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, France and died on 1 April 1046 in , , Anjou, France about age 46.
32177555330. Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT,415,1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 son of Amaury II Seigneur De MONTFORT and Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ, was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
General Notes:
THE ANCESTORS OF SIMON DE MONTFORT EARL OF LEICESTER (II)
Simon de Montfort, son and heir. He is styled son of Amauri by Orderic. In 1058 he attested a charter of Henry I to St. Germain-des-Pres. About 1063 he took a leading part in persuading Duke William to recall Ralph de Tosny and Hugh de Grandmesnil from exile. On 13 Apr 1066 he was at Fecamp with William and his court, and attested an Act for the Abbey of Coulumbs. In the same year, at Meulan, Simon and his wife (unnamed) confirmed a gift by Richard FitzHerluin of certain lands in "villa sancti Hilari" to the same abbey, the said lands being part of the inheritance of Simon's wife. In 1067 Simon witnessed, in Paris, a charter of Philip I to St. Martin-des-Champs, and in 1072, with his son Amauri, attested another charter of the same king, confirming the gift to St. Magloire by "quidam miles de castro qui Montefortis vocatur Symon nomine" of the churches of St. Peter and St. Laurence situate "in eodem castro".
Simon married three times. His 1st wife is said to have been Isabel, daughter of Hugh Bardoul, Seigneur of Brozes, and dame de Nogent; the name of the 2nd wife is unknown, and there is no proved issue of the 2nd marriage. By his 1st wife he had a son Amauri, who succeeded him, and a daughter Isabel or Elizabeth, who m. Ralph de Tosny. He m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
(e) He [William] was a clerk, and attested in 1093 as William, son of Simon de Montfort.
(f) She [Bertrade] m. as his 4th wife, Fulk IV, Count of Anjou. She deserted him for Philip I of France.
Simon married Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent,2016,2018 daughter of Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES and Elizabeth De SOURS, about 1055 in 1st Wife 2016.,2018 Isabella was born about 1034 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France. Other names for Isabella were Isabel De BROZES Dame De Nogent-Le-Roi,2015, and2016 Isabella De Broyes Dame De NOGENT.
Simon next married Agnes D' EVREUX 1379,1382,2016,2017 about 1064 in 3rd Wife 1379,1382.,2016 Agnes was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.1382
Simon next married Elizabeth De BROYES. Elizabeth died after 1066.
32177555331. Agnes D' EVREUX,415,1379,1382,2016,2017 daughter of Richard Comte D' EVREUX and Godheut, was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.1382
General Notes:
He [Simon de Montfort] m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
Agnes married Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT 1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 about 1064 in 3rd Wife 1379,1382.,2016 Simon was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
32177555332. Jean De BEAUGENCY Seigneur De La Fleche,2069,2340 son of Lancelin I Seigneur De BEAUGENCY and Paule Du MAINE, was born about 1040 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died before 1097 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2340.
Jean married Paule D'este Du MAINE.2341 Paule was born about 1065 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Another name for Paule was Paule D' ESTE Du Maine.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777666 i. Helias De La Fleche Comte Du MAINE (born about 1080 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 11 July 1110)
32177555333. Paule D'este Du MAINE,2341 daughter of Hugh III D'este Comte Du MAINE and Miss GUISCARD, was born about 1065 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Another name for Paule was Paule D' ESTE Du Maine.
General Notes:
John Yohalem verifies this ancestry in which Jean la Fleche marries his cousin Paule du Maine. However Todd A Farmerie replied that this scenario is now out of favor, with many saying that Jean married the Paule du Main who I have as Jean's mother (wife of his father Lancelin de Beaugency). I am leaving the pedigree as is.
Paule married Jean De BEAUGENCY Seigneur De La Fleche 2069.,2340 Jean was born about 1040 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died before 1097 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2340.
32177555334. Gervase Seigneur De CHATEAU DU LOIRE, son of Robert Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE and Elizabeth, was born about 1030 of Chateau, Eure-Et-Loire, France.
Gervase married Erenburg, Mrs De CHATEAU DU LOIRE. Erenburg, was born about 1030 in Of, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555335. Erenburg, Mrs De CHATEAU DU LOIRE was born about 1030 in Of, France.
Erenburg, married Gervase Seigneur De CHATEAU DU LOIRE. Gervase was born about 1030 of Chateau, Eure-Et-Loire, France.
32177555336. Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,891,1601,1746,2079,2263,2264 son of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
General Notes:
Robert I, byname ROBERT The MAGNIFICENT, or The DEVIL, French ROBERT le MAGNIFIQUE, or le DIABLE (d. July 1035, Nicaea), duke of Normandy (1027-35), the younger son of Richard II of Normandy and the father, by his mistress Arlette, of William the Conqueror of England. On the death of his father (1026/27), Robert contested the duchy with his elder brother Richard III, legally the heir, until the latter's opportune death a few years later. A strong ruler, Robert succeeded in exacting the obedience of his vassals. On the death of Robert II the Pious, king of France (1031), a crisis arose over the succession to the French throne. The Duke gave his support to Henry I against the party favouring his younger brother; in reward for his services he demanded and received the Vexin Français, a territory not far north of Paris. A patron of the monastic reform movement, he died while returning from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Robert married Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE 891,1062,1601,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 in 1023 in No Marriage. Herleve was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
Robert next married Herluin De CENTEVILLE in <, Normandy, France>. Herluin was born in <, Normandy, France> and died in Y.
Robert next married Estrid (Margret) Of NORMANDY 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Estrid was born in <, Normandy, France> and died in Y.
Robert next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1028 in <, Normandy, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.
32177555337. Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE,415,891,1062,1601,1746,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 daughter of Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE and Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND, was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
General Notes:
Said to have m. Gilbert, count of Brionne, and to be the mother of his sons, Richard and Baldwin. [Falaise Roll, p. 81]
Liaison with Robert I of Normandy produced William I, Duke of Normandy, and Adelheid. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 269-70]
Sister and heiress of the Earl of Brion. [Magna Charta Barons, p. 85]
b. 1003, d. 1050. [Judy Martin]
Herleve married Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY 891,1601,2079,2263,2264 in 1023 in No Marriage. Robert was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
Herleve next married Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE 891,1601,2252,2253 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Harlevin was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
32177555338. Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2112,2342,2343,2344 son of Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG, was born in 1012 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2345 died on 1 September 1067 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 2083,2112,2343 at age 55, and was buried in Lille, Nord, France. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin V De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
Baudouin married Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE 1601,2112,2343,2346,2347,2348 in 1028 in , Paris, Seine, France 2112.,2343 Adélaïde was born in 1009 in Of, Nevers, Bourgogne,2348 died from 8 January 1078 to 1079 in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France 2343,2347 at age 69, and was buried in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France. Another name for Adélaïde was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Baudouin VI Count (I Of Hainault) Of FLANDERS was born in 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium,2349 died on 7 July 1070 in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium 2112,2350 at age 40, and was buried in Hasnon Abbey. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin VI Count Of FLANDERS.
16088777669 ii. Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England (born in 1032 in Flanders, France - died on 3 November 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France)
iii. Robert I Le Frison Count Of FLANDERS was born about 1031 in Flanders Now Belgium 2351 and died on 13 October 1093 in Kassel, Germany 2112,2263 about age 62. Another name for Robert was Robert I Le FRISON Count Of Flanders.
iv. Robrecht I "De Fries" Count Of FLANDERS was born about 1033 in Of, , Flandres, Belgium 2351 and died on 13 October 1093 in Kassel, , , Germany 2112,2263 about age 60. Another name for Robrecht was Robert I Le FRISON Count Of Flanders.
v. Alix Of FLANDERS was born about 1040 in Flanders Now Belgium.
vi. Henry Count Of FLANDERS was born about 1035 in , , , Flandres and died in Y.
vii. Countess Judith NORTHUMBRIA was born in 1037 in Flanders, , France and died in 1094 at age 57.
32177555339. Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2112,2343,2346,2347,2348 daughter of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born in 1009 in Of, Nevers, Bourgogne,2348 died from 8 January 1078 to 1079 in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France 2343,2347 at age 69, and was buried in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France. Another name for Adélaïde was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.
General Notes:
Adele (or Aelis) of France, [daughter of Robert II by Constance of Provence], Countess of Contenance, d. Messines, 8 Jan 1079; m. (1) 1027 Richard III, Duke of Normandy, dsp. legit 6 Aug 1027; m. (2) 1028 Baldwin V, Count of Flanders, d. Lille, 1 Sep 1067. [Ancestral Roots, line 128-22]
Note: Contenance does not exist anywhere in France, people on soc.genealogy.medieval (the newgroup) don't know what it means either.
Note: Deborah L. Bay, in an e-mail, pointed out that Adele/Aelis was born about the same time as Adele, who was married to Renaud, Count of Nevers. Even though they were apparently named the same, born about the same time, and to the same parents, they are different sisters, with different death dates, different titles, and they both had children by their different husbands at exactly the same time (1030). I have encountered this situation where children are named the same 3 or 4 other times (more often/commonly when one died young).
Adélaïde married Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE 1601,2352 from January 1026 to 1027 in Contract, Not Married.2343 Richard was born about 997 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died on 6 August 1027 in (Dspl) 2343 about age 30.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Elena Of NORMANDY was born in 1026 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
ii. Helene "Le Bon" De NORMANDY was born about 1027 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Adélaïde next married Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS 1601,2112,2342,2343,2344 in 1028 in , Paris, Seine, France 2112.,2343 Baudouin was born in 1012 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2345 died on 1 September 1067 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 2083,2112,2343 at age 55, and was buried in Lille, Nord, France. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin V De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
32177555340. Duncan I Maccrinan King Of SCOTLAND,415,1416,2353 son of Crinan The Thane Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD and Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess Of SCOTLAND, was born in 1001 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland 1416 and died on 14 August 1040 in Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland (Killed By Macbeth) 1416,2099,2354 at age 39.
General Notes:
Duncan I (d. Aug. 1, 1040, near Elgin, Moray, Scot.), king of the Scots from 1034 to 1040. Duncan was the grandson of King Malcolm II (ruled 1005-34), who irregularly made him ruler of Strathclyde when that region was absorbed into the Scottish kingdom (probably shortly before 1034). Malcolm violated the established system of succession whereby the kingship alternated between two branches of the royal family. Upon Malcolm's death, Duncan succeeded peacefully, but he soon faced the rivalry of Macbeth, Mormaor (subking) of Moray, who probably had a better claim to the throne. Duncan besieged Durham unsuccessfully in 1039 and in the following year was murdered by Macbeth. Duncan's elder son later killed Macbeth and ruled as King Malcolm III Canmore (1058-93).
1038 or 1039: Ealdred, Earl of Northumbria, invaded Strathclyde, perhaps in an attempt to wrest it from the Scots. Duncan responded in 1040 with an attack on Durham. Like his grandfather's attack in 1006, it ended in disaster, with Scottish forces fleeing, and Scottish heads decorating the Durham marketplace. This defeat seems to have weakened his authority so severely that Macbeth of the Cenel Loairn was able to defeat and kill him in battle near Elgin [Ref: Davidson 1995]
Donnchad mac Crínáin (Duncan I), king of Scotland (Alba), 1034-1040. Duncan I succeeded his maternal grandfather Malcolm II as king in 1034, and was made famous in literature as the victim of Shakespeare's Macbeth, based on the historical king Mac Bethad mac Findláech, who killed Duncan in battle in 1040. [Ref: Henry Project]
Duncan I (c. 1010-1040). King of Scots (1034-40), succeeding his grandfather Malcolm II. At his accession Duncan was already king of Stratyclyde, which thus became united to Scotia. In 1040 Duncan unsuccessfully besieged Durham and was twice defeated by Thorfinn, earl of Orkney, before being killed by Macbeth. [Ref: Dict of Brit History]
Duncan, who was not a good old king but a headstrong young one, succeeded in 1034, but, having prejudiced his position by a failure against Durham (1039) was killed by his rival in 1040. [A History of Scotland by J.D. Mackie]
Malcolm II's grandson Duncan became King of Strathclyde, as one of a line of Scottish sub-Kings of the small neighboring kingdom. When Malcolm died in 1034, Duncan succeeded him, and thus the kingdoms of Scotia, Lothian and Strathclyde were at last united.
Duncan was quite young, probably about thirty-three, when he succeeded his grandfather. At the time of his death in 1040 his two sons, Malcolm and Donald Ban (or Donaldbain), were small children.
Macbeth, who was slightly younger than his cousing the King, had, according to the rule of tanistry (any mature male of the royal kindred was eligible for the kingship if he were rigdomnae - 'the stuff of kings'), an equally good claim to the throne by right of birth, though Duncan had apparently succeeded as their grandfather's chosen heir. In 1040 Macbeth asserted his claim by force of arms, slew Duncan in battle and made himself king. [The Kings and Queens of Scotland]
Marriage to Sibyla, a relative of Earl Siward of Northumbria, provided Duncan's son Malcolm a valuable ally in his efforts to wrest the Scottish kingship from Macbeth [Ref: Davidson 1995]
Duncan, son of Bethoc or Beatrice, daughter of Malcolm II, succeeded his grandfather in the year 1033. "In the extreme north, dominions more extensive than any Jarl of the Orkneys had hitherto acquired, were united under the rule of Thorfinn, Sigurd's son, whose character and appearance have been thus described: - 'He was stout and strong, but very ugly, severe and cruel, but a very clever man'. The extensive districts then dependant upon the Moray Maormors were in possession of the celebrated Macbeth". Duncan, in 1033, desiring to extend his dominions southwards, attacked Durham, but was forced to retire with considerable loss. His principal struggles, however, were with his powerful kinsman, Thorfinn, whose success was so great that he extended his conquests as far as the Tay. "His men spread over the whole conquered country", says the Orkneyinga Saga, "and burnt every hamlet and farm, so that not a cot remained. Every man that they found they slew; but the old men and women fled to the deserts and woods, and filled the country with lamentation. Some were driven before the Norwegians and made slaves. After the Earl Thorfinn returned to his ships, subjugating the country everywhere in his progress". Duncan's last battle, in which he was defeated, was in the neighbourhood of Burghead, near the Moray Firth; and shortly after this, on the 14th August, 1040, he was assassinated in Bothgowanan, - which in Gaelic, is said to mean "the smith's hut", - by his kinsman the Maormor Macbeda or Macbeth. Duncan had reigned only five years when he was assassinated by Macbeth, leaving two infant sons, Malcolm and Donal, by a sister of Siward, the Earl of Northumberland. The former fled to Cumberland, and the latter took refuge in the Hebrides, on the death of their father. [Ref: 110 Electric Scotland]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1034-1040
Duncan married Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR Of Northumbria 1416 about 1030.1416 Sibyl was born about 1010 in Northumbria, England and died in 1040 1416 about age 30. Another name for Sibyl was Sibyl Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Donald III Bane King Of SCOTLAND was born about 1033 in Atholl, Perth, Scotland 2099 and died after 1097 in Rescobie, Angus, Scotland 2099.
iii. Duncan Mormaer Of MORAY was born about 1035 in Nithsdale, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
iv. Mael Muire (Melmar) Mormaer Of ATHOLL was born about 1038 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.
v. Beatrix Of SCOTLAND was born about 1040 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.
32177555341. Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR Of Northumbria,415,1416 daughter of Biorn ULFIUSSON Jarl Of Denmark and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Northumbria, England and died in 1040 1416 about age 30. Another name for Sibyl was Sibyl Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
General Notes:
Turton's Plantagenet Ancestry has Sibyl as daughter of Sigurd, but I think it more likely she was his sister. The dates just seem entirely incompatible with her being born that late. Based on the e-mail from Betty Knoche, referring to the Mammoth Book on English Kings & Queens, by Mike Ashley, I am going to make her a sister (I have used slightly different dates, making her a younger sister).
Suthen's name is known only from one of the Scottish king lists ("Regnal List I"), which gives the name of the mother of Malcolm III in an interlined addition [KKES 284]. ESSH 1: 596 cites the late fourteenth century Scottish historian John of Fordun [iv, 44] as stating that Duncan had married a kinswoman of Siward of Northumbria. Given Siward's support of Malcolm, that is plausible enough, but there does not appear to be any justification for attempts to define a more specific relationship between Suthen and Siward.
Bibliography
ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols. (Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990). [Contains English translations of many of the primary records]
KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson, Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland (Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973).
Sibyl married Duncan I Maccrinan King Of SCOTLAND 1416,2353 about 1030.1416 Duncan was born in 1001 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland 1416 and died on 14 August 1040 in Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland (Killed By Macbeth) 1416,2099,2354 at age 39.
32177555342. Edward "The Exile\Aetheling" Prince Of ENGLAND,415,505,1416,2355 son of Edmund II "Ironside" King Of ENGLAND and Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA, was born in 1016 in Wessex, England 1416,2355 and died in 1057 in London, Middlesex, England 1416,2355 at age 41. Another name for Edward was Eward The AETHELING.
Edward married Agatha Of HUNGARY 1416,2355 in 1035. Agatha was born about 1020 in Hungary and died on 13 July 1054 in Scotland about age 34.
The child from this marriage was:
Edward next married in 1035.
32177555343. Agatha Of HUNGARY,415,1416,2355 daughter of Stephen I King Of HUNGARY St. and Gisela Of BAVARIA, was born about 1020 in Hungary and died on 13 July 1054 in Scotland about age 34.
General Notes: Magna Charta Sureties does not give parents for Agatha. There is a lot of doubt as to who her parents are. I have the "classic" ancestry, but others (including Vajay) say it is Liudolf, Margrave of Westfriesland and Gertrudis, daughter of Hugh IV of Egisheim (whom I name Ludwig von Braunschweig, Count of Derlingau & Gertrude von Egisheim).
Cannon and Griffiths, The Oxford Illustrated History of the British Monarchy, describes her as the niece of Henry II, Emperor of Germany (Holy Roman Emperor). As Henry's sister Gisela married Stephen of Hungary, the ancestry that I have would fit that description. Of course Vajay uses the "niece" datum to portray a different ancestry.
Turton has Agatha "of Germany", as daughter of Bruno of Germany (brother of Emperor Henry II), thus making Agatha his niece.
Agatha married Edward "The Exile\Aetheling" Prince Of ENGLAND 1416,2355 in 1035. Edward was born in 1016 in Wessex, England 1416,2355 and died in 1057 in London, Middlesex, England 1416,2355 at age 41. Another name for Edward was Eward The AETHELING.
32177555344. Ralph III De TOENI De Conches,415,1737,2281 son of Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI and Godheut, was born between 1025 and 1030 in Conches, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2281 and died from 24 March 1101 to 1102 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1449,2281 about age 75. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De CONCHES.
General Notes: Ralph [de Toeni], usually called Ralph de Conches; participated in Norman invasion of England 1066; being accordingly granted lands in Berks, Essex, Glos, Herefs, Herts, Norfolk, and Worcs; married Elizabeth/Isabel, daughter of Simon de Montfort, Seigneur of Montfort l'Amaury, and died 24 March, probably 1101/2. [Burke's Peerage]
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RALPH DE TOENI III, styled more usually DE CONCHES, son and heir, by Godeheut, was born probably about 1025-30. He was banner-bearer of the Normans. In 1050 he was at the Duke's Court. In 1054 he took part in William's victory over the French at Mortemer and was sent by the Duke to alarm the King of France with the news. About 1060 Ralph, Hugh de Grandmesnil and Ernald d'Echauffour were deprived of their inheritance by the Duke and banished. In revenge Ernald and Ralph made incursions into Normandy and burnt the town of St. Evroul; but in 1063 they were recalled and their lands were restored. Ralph was one of the nobles summoned to a council when the Duke heard of the death of Edward the Confessor and the coronation of Harold; and he took part in the invasion of England and fought at the Battle of Hastings. At some time between the battle and the Domesday survey in 1086 the Conqueror gave him estates in the counties of Berks, Essex, Gloucester, Hereford, Herts, Norfolk and Worcester, with the castle of Clifford, co. Hereford, which had been built on waste land by William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford; but his caput baroniae was at Flamstead, Herts. Before 30 November 1074 he assented to the Bishop of Bayeux's purchase of land from his tenant Herbert de Agnellis. About 1078 he supported Robert Courtheuse against the King. Probably about 1080 he went on a pilgrimage to Spain; and on his safe return, as he had promised, he made gifts to the abbey of St. Evroul, in recompense for having helped Ernald d'Echauffour to burn the town. In 1081 he was with the King at Winchester. After William's death in 1087 he was one of the Norman nobles who expelled the royal garrisons from their castles. In 1088 he served under Duke Robert in the war against Maine. His wife Isabel having angered her sister-in-law Hawise, wife of her brother William, Count of Evreux, the Countess induced her husband to attack Ralph. He appealed in vain to the Duke for help; he then sent envoys to William Rufus, who ordered his adherents in Normandy to go to Ralph's aid. In Nov. the Count of Evreux besieged Conches, but his forces were defeated soon afterwards; and after 3 years of fighting peace was concluded. When Rufus and his brother made peace in 1091, the Duke granted to the King all the land of Gerard de Gournay and Ralph de Conches; after which Ralph remained one of the King's strongest supporters. After the death of Rufus, Ralph and the Count of Evreux invaded the Count of Meulan's barony of Beaumont in Aug 1100, in revenge for his having prejudiced the late King against them. Ralph was a benefactor to the abbeys of St. Evroul, l'Estree, Conches, Croix-Saint-Leufroi, Lire, Jumieges, Bec, and St. Taurin, Evreux.
He m. Isabel or Elizabeth, daughter of Simon de Montfort, Seigneur of MONTFORT L'AMAURY (France) (a), by his 1st wife, said to be Isabel, daughter of Hugh BARDOUL, SEIGNEUR OF BROZES. He died 24 March, probably in 1101/2, and was buried at Conches. Isabel, after a long widowhood, repenting of the fatal wantonness to which she had been too much addicted in her youth, took the veil at the priory of Haute-Bruyère and lived praiseworthily in the fear of the Lord. [Complete Peerage XII/1:758-60, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger & myself)]
[a] Ralph obtained her as a reward for kidnapping by night his half-sister Agnes, daughter of Richard, Count of Evreux, and giving her in marriage to Simon.
Ralph married Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTFORT 1449,1737,2018,2020 about 1076 in Ile DE France, France. Elizabeth was born about 1058 in Montfort-L'amaury Castle, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1102 in As A Nun 2020.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555345. Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTFORT,415,1449,1737,2018,2020 daughter of Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT and Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent, was born about 1058 in Montfort-L'amaury Castle, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1102 in As A Nun 2020.
General Notes: Elizabeth/Isabel, daughter of Simon de Montfort, Seigneur of Montfort l'Amaury. [Burke's Peerage]
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He [Ralph de Toeni] m. Isabel or Elizabeth, daughter of Simon de Montfort, Seigneur of MONTFORT L'AMAURY (France) (a), by his 1st wife, said to be Isabel, daughter of Hugh BARDOUL, SEIGNEUR OF BROZES. He died 24 March, probably in 1101/2, and was buried at Conches. Isabel, after a long widowhood, repenting of the fatal wantonness to which she had been too much addicted in her youth, took the veil at the priory of Haute-Bruyère and lived praiseworthily in the fear of the Lord. [Complete Peerage XII/1:758-60, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger & myself)]
[a] Ralph obtained her as a reward for kidnapping by night his half-sister Agnes, daughter of Richard, Count of Evreux, and giving her in marriage to Simon
Elizabeth married Ralph III De TOENI De Conches 1737,2281 about 1076 in Ile DE France, France. Ralph was born between 1025 and 1030 in Conches, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2281 and died from 24 March 1101 to 1102 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1449,2281 about age 75. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De CONCHES.
32177555346. Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon & NORTHUMBERLAND,415,1411,1416,1732,1733,1734 son of Sigurd (Syward) BIORNSSON Jarl Of Northumbria and Aelflaed Of NORTHUMBRIA, was born about 1036 in Northumberland, England, died on 31 May 1076 in Beheaded At Winchester, Hampshire, England 1732,1734 about age 40, and was buried in Crowland, Lincolnshire, England. Another name for Waltheof was Waltheof II Earl Of HUNTINGDON & Northumberland.
General Notes: on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:
The first post-Conquest Earl of Huntingdon appears to have been Waltheof, son of Siward Earl of Northumberland and indeed Siward's successor in the latter Earldom as well. Waltheof was later beheaded for conspiring against William the Conqueror. [Burke's Peerage]
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EARLDOM OF NORTHAMPTON (I)
EARLDOM OF HUNTINGDON (I)
WALTHEOF, son of SIWARD, EARL OF NORTHUMBERLAND, by Ælfled, daughter of ALDRED of Bernicia, became EARL OF HUNTINGDON and EARL OF NORTHAMPTON when Tostig was banished in October 1065. He is not known to have opposed the Conqueror in 1066, but was taken to Normandy the following year. In 1069 he joined the Danes in their descent on Yorkshire, distinguishing himself in the attack on the city of York. When the Danes left England he submitted himself to William, in January 1070, and was restored to his Earldom, and to his father's Earldom of Northumberland in 1072. While attending the wedding of Ralph de Gael, Earl of Norfolk, at Exning in the spring or summer of 1075, he was enticed to join the conspiracy of the Earls of Norfolk and Hereford to seize England for themselves. He quickly repented, and by Lanfranc's advice went to Normandy and asked pardon of the King, who treated the matter lightly at the time; but at Christmas Waltheof was brought to trial at Westmminster, his wife Judith being a witness. He was imprisoned at Winchester, where on the resumption of the trial in May he was condemned and beheaded on St. Giles's Hill, 31 May 1076, and hastily buried .
He married, in 1070, Judith, daughter of Lambert, COUNT OF LENS, by Adelaide or Adeliz, sister of the Conqueror. He died as aforesaid, 31 May 1076, and a fortnight later the Abbot Ulfketel, at Judith's request and by the King's permission, removed his body to Crowland, where it was honourably entombed.(g) His widow, who as "Judith the Countess" is recorded in Domesday Book to have held estates in many counties in 1086, most of them apparently gifts from the King, her uncle, held Huntingdon in dower. She founded the Nunnery of Elstow, near Bedford. [Complete Peerage VI:638-40, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
[g] Many miracles are recorded, for Waltheof was by many regarded as a saint. An epitaph was written for the tomb by Orderic. Other epitaphs are in the Vita. He is described as strong in person and of great repute as a warrior, pious had learnt the psalter in his youth, was liberal to the clergy and the poor, and a benefactor in particular to Jarrow and Crowland. To the former he gave Tynemouth. The chief stain on his memory is his part in a family bloodfeud, for he ordered the murder of the sons of one Carl, who had killed Earl Ealdrcd, Walthcof's grandfather.
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The county which gives designation to this earldom of Huntingdon was, according to Dr. Heylin, a thickly wooded forest until the reign of the 2nd Henry, when the timber was first cleared away; the chief town, from the celebrity of the forest as a chase, was called Huntingtown, which soon became abbreviated into Huntington, or Huntingdon. The Earldom of Huntingdom was conferred by William the Conqueror upon Waltheof (son of Syward, the Saxon Earl of Northumberland), who had m. the dau. of that monarch's sister, by the mother's side, Judith. He was also Earl of Northampton, and of Northumberland, but conspiring against the Normans, he was beheaded in 1073 at Winchester, leaving issue, Maud and Judith. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 467-8, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
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Waltheof was the last of the Old English earls to survive under William I, his execution for treason in 1076 marking a significant stage in the aristocratic and tenurial revolution which followed 1066. Younger son of Siward, the Danish earl of Northumbria (1041-55) and Aelflaed, daughter of Aldred, earl of Northumbria, Waltheof received an earldom consisting of the shires of Huntingdon, Bedford, Northampton, Rutland, and Cambridge in 1065. As one of the few English magnates not from the Godwin faction, he accepted and was accepted by William I, witnessing royal charters and remaining loyal to the new regime until 1069 when he joined with the Danes in their invasion of Northumbria. He was prominent in their capture of York, hoping, no doubt, to be restored to his father's position. This opportunism is perhaps more characteristic of English magnate reactions to the political turmoil of 1065-70 than any supposed national feeling. However, the revolt and invasion were defeated by William's winter campaign of 1069-70. It is a measure of William's insecurity that when Waltheof submitted in 1070 he was restored to royal favour and, in 1072, added the earldom of Northumbria to his holdings. To bind him more tightly to the Norman dispensation, William gave him his niece Judith in marriage. But in 1075, Waltheof was implicated in the largely French revolt led by Ralph, earl of Norfolk, and Roger, earl of Hereford. Despite his lack of military action, his confession, apparent contrition and the support of Archbishop Lanfranc, Waltheof was executed on 31 May 1076.
The king's motives are obscure. Waltheof was the only prominent Englishman to be executed in the reign. Perhaps his removal was part of William's justifiably nervous response to the problem of controlling Northumbria. It may have made sense to take the chance to remove a potential --- and proven --- focus of northern discontent. Yet Waltheof's heirs were not harried, one daughter, Matilda, marrying David I of Scotland (1042-53), and another Ralph IV of Tosny, a leading Norman baron.
Waltheof is a significant reminder that the period around 1066 was transitional, with no necessarily definite beginnings or endings. Waltheof adapted to the new order, falling foul, it seems, of the ambitions and schemes of others, not least of parvenus Frenchmen. He married into the new elite, yet embodied the old. Heir to both English and Anglo-Danish traditions, it was he who completed one of the most celebrated of Anglo-Saxon blood-feuds. In 1016, Uchtred, earl of Northumbria was murdered by a northern nobleman called Thurbrand. He was, in turn, killed by Uchtred's son and successor, Ealdred, who was himself slain by Thurbrand's son, Carl. Waltheof's mother was Ealdred's daughter and he avenged his great-grandfather and grandfather by massacring a number of Carl's sons.
Waltheof was buried at Crowland Abbey where, as did many martyrs to royal policy in the middle ages, he found posthumous fame in a cult which, by the mid-twelfth century, was venerating him as a saint. Yet his career in the north shows that not far beneath the measured tones of Norman propagandists or the efficient gloss of English bureaucratic procedures simmered the violence of Dark Age epic. [Who's Who in Early Medieval England, Christopher Tyerman, Shepheard-Walwyn, Ltd., London, 1996; Encyclopædia Britannica CD, 1997]
Waltheof married Judith Of LENS 1416,1732,1733,1735 in 1070 in 1st Husband 1732.,1735 Judith was born in 1054 in Lens, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 1736 and died after 1086 1732,1735.
32177555347. Judith Of LENS,415,1416,1732,1733,1735 daughter of Lambert De BOULOGNE Count Of Lens and Countess Of Aumale & Pont Adélaïde De NORMANDY Countess Of Aumale, was born in 1054 in Lens, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 1736 and died after 1086 1732,1735.
General Notes: He [Waltheof] married, in 1070, Judith, daughter of Lambert, COUNT OF LENS, by Adelaide or Adeliz, sister of the Conqueror. He died as aforesaid, 31 May 1076, and a fortnight later the Abbot Ulfketel, at Judith's request and by the King's permission, removed his body to Crowland, where it was honourably entombed.(g) His widow, who as "Judith the Countess" is recorded in Domesday Book to have held estates in many counties in 1086, most of them apparently gifts from the King, her uncle, held Huntingdon in dower. She founded the Nunnery of Elstow, near Bedford. [Complete Peerage VI:638-40, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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After the execution of Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon, King William offered Judith, his niece, the deceased earl's widow, in marriage to Simon St. Liz, a noble Norman, but the lady peremptorily rejected the alliance, owing, Dugdale says, to St. Liz's halting in one leg, which refusal so displeased the Conqueror that he immediately seized upon the castle and honour of Huntingdon, which the countess held in dower, exposing herself and her dau. to a state of privation and obscurity in the Isle of Ely and other places, while he bestowed upon the said Simon St. Liz the town of Northampton and the whole hundred of Falkeley, then valued at £40 per annum, to provide shoes for his horses. St. Liz thus disappointed in obtaining the hand of the Countess of Huntingdon, made his addresses with greater success to her elder dau., the Lady Maud, who became his wife, when William conferred upon the said Simon de St. Liz, the Earldoms of Huntingdon and Northampton. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 467-8, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
NOTE: The parentage of Judith of Lens has come under critical study since the early 1970's, when Enguerrand II was thought by some to be her father. The currently acceptable parentage among most scholars is as stated, i.e., Lambert of Boulogne. [Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, 3rd ed., Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore MD, 1998]
Judith married Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon & NORTHUMBERLAND 1411,1416,1732,1733,1734 in 1070 in 1st Husband 1732.,1735 Waltheof was born about 1036 in Northumberland, England, died on 31 May 1076 in Beheaded At Winchester, Hampshire, England 1732,1734 about age 40, and was buried in Crowland, Lincolnshire, England. Another name for Waltheof was Waltheof II Earl Of HUNTINGDON & Northumberland.
Judith next married Ives (Ivo) De TAILLEBOIS 1st Baron Of Kendal 1022,1694,1695 after 1076 in 2ND Husband. Ives was born about 1036 in Cristot, Calvados, Normandy, France 1696 and died in 1094 in Kendal, Cambria, England 1697 about age 58. Another name for Ives was Ivo TAILBOYS.
32177555348. Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT,415,2124,2198 son of Baudouin VI Count (I Of Hainault) Of FLANDERS and Richilde Countess Von EGISHEIM, was born in 1056 in Hainault, Belgium and died in 1099 in Holy Land 2112,2198 at age 43.
Baudouin married Ida De LOUVAIN 2124,2198 in 1084.2198 Ida was born in 1063 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 1139 2112,2198 at age 76. Another name for Ida was Ida De BRABANT.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Aleidis De HAINAULT was born about 1084 in Hainault, Belgium and died after 1153.
ii. Ida De HAINAULT was born about 1085 in Hainault, Belgium.
iii. Yolande (Ida) De HAINAULT was born in 1086 in Hainault, Belgium and died after 1101 2356.
16088777674 iv. Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT (born about 1087 in Hainault, Belgium - died in 1120)
v. Arnold (Arnulph) De HAINAULT was born about 1088 in Hainault, Belgium.
vi. Alix (Alice\Aleidis) De HAINAULT was born about 1090 in Hainault, Belgium and died after 1153 2357.
vii. Richeude (Richilde) De HAINAULT was born about 1095 in Hainault, Belgium.
32177555349. Ida De LOUVAIN,415,2124,2198 daughter of Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN and Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA, was born in 1063 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 1139 2112,2198 at age 76. Another name for Ida was Ida De BRABANT.
Ida married Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT 2124,2198 in 1084.2198 Baudouin was born in 1056 in Hainault, Belgium and died in 1099 in Holy Land 2112,2198 at age 43.
32177555350. Gerard III Von WASSENBURG Count Of Guelders,415,670,1769,2113 son of Heinrich Von WASSENBERG and Unknown, was born about 1053 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1125 in Zutphen, Guelders/Gelderland, Netherlands about age 72. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I Von Wassenburg Count Of GUELDERS.
General Notes: 1085-built Wassenburg Castle between Rhine & Meuse.
Gerard married Clemence De POITOU 2147 after 1086 in 2ND Husband. Clemence was born about 1050 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died after 1129 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2147.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Gerard II Count Of GUELDERS was born about 1087 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died before 1134 in Zutphen, Guelders/Gelderland, Netherlands 2358. Another name for Gerard was Gerard IV Count Von WASSENBERG.
ii. Jutta Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders was born about 1090 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died on 26 June 1151 in Limburg, Belgium about age 61. Another name for Jutta was Judith Of GUELDERS.
16088777675 iii. Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders (born about 1092 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany)
32177555351. Clemence De POITOU,415,670,2147 daughter of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Ermesinde De LONGWY, was born about 1050 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died after 1129 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2147.
Clemence married Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG,2115,2147 son of Giselbert I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg and Unknown, in 1st Husband. Conrad was born about 1040 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany 2147 and died on 8 August 1086 2115,2147 about age 46.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Mathilde Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 1065 in Luxemburg.
ii. William (Wilhelm) Count Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 1075 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg and died from 23 January 1130 to 1131 2359 about age 55.
iii. Ermesinde Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 1082 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany and died on 24 June 1143 2115 about age 61.
Clemence next married Gerard III Von WASSENBURG Count Of Guelders 1769,2113 after 1086 in 2ND Husband. Gerard was born about 1053 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1125 in Zutphen, Guelders/Gelderland, Netherlands about age 72. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I Von Wassenburg Count Of GUELDERS.
32177555352. Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer,415,1778,1874,2214,2215,2216,2217 son of Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER Seigneur De Vieilles and Aubreye De LA HAYE Heir Of Forest Of Brotonne, was born about 1022 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,2215 died about 1094 in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk) 2214 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France.
General Notes: Roger de Beaumont; Seigneur (feudal Lord) of Beaumont, Pontaudemer, Brionne and Vatteville, Normandy; married Adeline, sister of Hugh Count of Meulan and daughter by his 1st wife of Waleran Count of Meulan. [Burke's Peerage]
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The well-known Roger de Beaumont held Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, in 1086; it descended to the counts of Meulan through Roger's eldest son, Robert count of Meulan. That Roger took his name from Beaumont is a part of the general history of Normandy. It follows that Roger's descendants, the counts of Meulan, the Earls of Leicester, and the Earls of Warwick, all derive from Beaumont-le-Roger. [The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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ROGER DE BEAUMONT (de Bello Monte), SEIGNEUR of BEAUMONT AND PONT-AUDEMER, was eldest son of Humphrey. He appears to have remained faithful to the young Duke William during the disturbances of the earlier part of his reign, in the course of which he defeated and slew Roger de Tosny. He is said to have furnished 60 ships for the invasion of England. He did not accompany the expedition, but remained in Normandy as the principal adviser of the Duchess Maud, to whom the government of the duchy was entrusted. In 1071 the King committed Morcar as a prisoner to his custody. Up to the year 1082 he constantly appears as a witness to the charters of William the Conqueror. At the -time of the Domesday Survey, 1086, he held land in Dorset and co. Gloucester. About 1088 he founded the collegiate church of the Holy Trinity at Beaumont-le-Roger for canons of St. Frideswide of Oxford. He was a benefactor of St. Pierre-de-Préaux and of St. Wandrille.
He married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter of Waleran, COUNTS OF MEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at the Abbey of Préaux. He died some years later, and was buried there with his father. [Complete Peerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Roger married Adeline De MEULAN 1874,2214,2216,2217 in 1040 in Ile DE France, France. Adeline was born about 1014 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1081 in Sturminster Marshal, Dorsetshire, England about age 67. Another name for Adeline was Adeline De MEULLANT.
32177555353. Adeline De MEULAN,415,1874,2214,2216,2217 daughter of Waleran III Count Of MEULAN and Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE, was born about 1014 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1081 in Sturminster Marshal, Dorsetshire, England about age 67. Another name for Adeline was Adeline De MEULLANT.
General Notes: He [Roger de Beaumont] married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter of Waleran, COUNTS OF MEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at the Abbey of Préaux. He died some years later, and was buried there with his father. [Complete Peerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeline married Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer 1778,1874,2214,2215,2216,2217 in 1040 in Ile DE France, France. Roger was born about 1022 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,2215 died about 1094 in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk) 2214 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France.
32177555356. Ralph De GAEL Earl Norfolk\Suffolk\Cambridge,1774,2116 son of Ralph "The Staller" 1St Earl Of NORFOLK and Unknown, was born in 1040 in Gael, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 1095 in Exning, Cambridgeshire, England at age 55.
General Notes: Suffolk, other creations: Shortly after the Norman Conquest an Earldom combining Norfolk and Suffolk was conferred on one Ralph the Staller [Staller was a functionary of some sort in the Saxon Royal Court]. At that time, and seemingly for nearly three centuries afterwards, no distinction was made between Norfolk and Suffolk for the purpose of conferring titles based on county names, the two areas being conflated as the land of the East Angles. In any case, with Ralph's death a few years after he was created Earl the title apparently passed back into the possession of the Crown, though within another year it seems to have been conferred on Ralph's son, called Ralph de Gael from a fief he held in Britanny. The second Ralph, Earl of this somewhat shadowy creation, rebelled against William I (The Conqueror) in 1075 and was stripped of his titles and lands. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2761]
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Ralph de Gael, 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk, and Cambridge, Seigneur of Montford de Gael in Brittany. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: I think Ralph was 2nd Earl of Norfolk, after his father.
Ralph married Emma FITZOSBERN 1774 in 1075 in Exning, Cambridgeshire, England. Emma was born in 1059 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1095 at age 36. Another name for Emma was Emma FITZOSBORNE.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777678 i. Ralph Seigneur De Gael De MONTFORD (born in 1078 in Breal-Sous-Montfort, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France)
32177555357. Emma FITZOSBERN,1774 daughter of William FITZOSBERN 1st Earl Of Hereford and Alice (Adelise) De TOENI, was born in 1059 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1095 at age 36. Another name for Emma was Emma FITZOSBORNE.
General Notes: Emma, daughter of William Fitz Osbern, a Companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, 1066, Earl of Hereford. [Ancestral Roots]
Emma married Ralph De GAEL Earl Norfolk\Suffolk\Cambridge 1774,2116 in 1075 in Exning, Cambridgeshire, England. Ralph was born in 1040 in Gael, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 1095 in Exning, Cambridgeshire, England at age 55.
32177555358. Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy,415,1869,2190,2191 son of Henry I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV, was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
General Notes: Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois
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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems to have the better source, which he gives below in response to a request from Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:
From: Chris Phillips ([email protected])
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST
Runciman on that page, in a chapter on "The Crusades of 1101", describes the Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh: "Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem."
Runciman's sources for this section are "Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp. 579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2". If you'd like to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallica website, in the "Recueil des historiens des croisades series" - put these numbers into the "Recherche libre" field on the search page: N051574 for Albert; N051575 for Ekkehard.
Chris Phillips
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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the story behind the battle which caused Hugh's death:
Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his _History of the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101." On the battle at Heraklea, he says:
"Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time to reform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legends said that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."
Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.
Nat Taylor
Hugh married Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1869,2192,2194 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Adelaide was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
32177555359. Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,670,1869,2192,2194 daughter of Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS and Adela De VEXIN, was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
General Notes: Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
Adelaide married Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT,1824,2192 son of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, in 1103 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2192.,2194 Reinald was born about 1080 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France 1824 and died in 1162 1824,2192 about age 82.
Adelaide next married Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy 1869,2190,2191 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Hugh was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
32177555394. Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire 415,741,899,1929,2223,2224 was born before 1040 in Ver, Manche, Normandy, France,741,2223,2224 died in 1112 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England 741,2224, and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
General Notes: In 1086 Aubrey de Ver, the ancestor of the Earls of Oxford, in addtion to his tenancies-in-chief in several counties, was an under-tenant of Geoffrey bishop of Coutances in Kensington, Middlesex, and two places in Northamptonshire. This indicates that his place of origin was Ver (as indicated), which is 18 kil. South of Coutances and not Ver in the Bessin. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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Alberic/Aubrey de Ver (a place in the Cotentin Peninsula, Normandy), probably himself a Norman; b. by 1040; by the Domesday Survey held numerous manors, chiefly in Cambs, Essex, and Suffolk--Hedingham, Essex being the chief one, but also in Hunts, Middx (including Cheniston, now Kensington) and Northants; references to him as Chamberlain occur c1110; founded Earl's Colne Priory, Essex, where he and many of his descendants are burried; Sheriff Berks by 1106; married Beatrice and died probably 1112. [Burke's Peerage]
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AUBREY DE VERE I was almost certainly a Norman who derived his name from Ver in the Côtentin and probably had connexions with the adjoining duchy of Brittany. He was born probably before 1040. The Conqueror granted him, with other lands, the great estates of an English thegn named Wulfwine in Essex, Suffolk, and Cambridge. In 1084 he attested a royal charter for Lessay as Aubrey the Chamberlain. In 1086 he held in chief 14 estates in Essex, with 2 houses and 3 acres in Colchester, 9 estates Suffolk, 7 in Cambs, and 2 in Hunts. He also held Kensington in Middlesex and two properties in Northants of the Bishop of Coutances, land in Hunts of the Abbey of Ramseyand land in two places in Essex of Count Alan of Brittany. The head of his barony was at (Castle) Hedingham in Essex, where he had planted a vineyard. It is usually assumed that he is identical with, and not the father of, the Aubrey de Vere who attested a writ at Westminster (September 1102 to Easter 1103 and a charter for Abingdon (1101-06). Not later than 1106 he was acting as sheriff of Berkshire, being styled simply Aubrey. Within the next few years he was acting as a justice in Northants, being styled Aubrey the Chamberhiln, and as sheriff of Berkshire, being styled Aubrey de Berkshire. At the dying request of his eldest son, not later than 1106, he gave Abingdon Abbey his church of Kensington with its appurtenances and 2 hides and 1 yardland; but as he resided mostly in Essex, he founded a priory at Earls Colne as a cell of Abingdon. He seems to have held 1 1/2 knights' fees of the Abbey of St. Edmund. He married Beatrice, whose parentage is unknown. He died before 1113 (almost certainly in 1112), at Colne Priory, and was buried with his wife in the church there. [Complete Peerage X:194-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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The following post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected], certainly puts doubts as to the validity of the ancestry I have for Alberic/Aubrey.
At present I am starting this line with Aubrey de Vere I (d. 1088) & Beatrice. Appendix J in vol. x of "Complete Peerage" even more conservatively indicates that there is no proof that this Aubrey of the Conquest is father of the great chamberlain. There may have been one or more intervening Aubreys. [Ref: Alan B. Wilson <[email protected]> 14 Mar 1996 message to soc.genealogy.medival]
The parentage of Alberic/Aubrey de Vere is unknown. He was not son of Alfonso de Ghesnes, the confusion coming from a later Vere/Ghesnes marriage. [Ref: TAF 19 Apr 1998]
FWIW, the following is from Paul McBride's website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f042.htm
The first mention of the De Veres is in the General Survey of England, made by William the Conqueror, wherein the name of Alberic de Vere is stated.
Alberic (Aubrey I.) de Vere, Count Aubrey, "Sanglier," married before 1139 (sic) Beatrix of Ghisnes, Countess of Ghisnes in her own right, and daughter of Henry, Count of Ghisnes, and his wife Sibylla. Alberic possessed numerous lordships in different shires, of which Cheniston (now Kensington), co. Middlesex, was one, and Hedingham, co. Essex, where his castle was situated, and where he chiefly resided, another. The first mention of the De Veres is in the General Survey of England, made by William the Conqueror, wherein the name of Alberic de Vere is stated. He and his wife had five sons: 1. Alberic de Vere, 2. Geoffrey de Vere, 3. Roger de Vere, 4. Robert de Vere, 5. William de Vere. Alberic assumed the cowl in his later days, and died a monk in 1088; he was buried in the church of Colne Priory, which he founded. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Alberic.
McBride cites: Burke's p549-550, CP X:193-219, Wurts, p127-132. Note, he does not identify which of the numerous Burke's publications he cited.
Regards,
Curt
Note: The marriage between Aubrey/Alberic & Beatrix of Ghisnes noted above is the grandson Aubrey III who married Beatrice de Gand. These people are in my file.
Aubrey married Beatrice 741,1929.,2224 Beatrice was born about 1045 in Bourboucy, France and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
32177555395. Beatrice 415,741,1929,2224 was born about 1045 in Bourboucy, France and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
Beatrice married Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire 741,899,1929,2223.,2224 Aubrey was born before 1040 in Ver, Manche, Normandy, France,741,2223,2224 died in 1112 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England 741,2224, and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
32177555402. Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse,415,1946,2360,2361 son of Milon De MONTELEHERICO Seigneur De La Ferte and Miss De MONTLHERY, was born in 1009 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France,1719,2361 died in 1095 in Chevreuse, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2120,2361 at age 86, and was buried in Abbaye DE Longpont, Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France.
General Notes: The following information was provided in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur de Montlhery & de Bray [Ref: McBride, Moriarty p63, Watne p276]
Seigneur de Monthlery [Ref: ES III:659]
seigneur of Montlhéry & castellan of Rochefort-en-Yvelines [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
Seigneur de Chevreuse, Lord of Chateaufort [Ref: McBride] note: is not "seigneur de" & "lord of" the same thing?... Curt
Count of Corbeil [Ref: Weis AR7 103a:24]
founded the abbey of Lamport* [Ref: Moriarty p63]
b. ca 1009 [Ref: McBride]
Jim, info conflicting yours:
parents: Milon I Seigneur de la Ferte & dau of Thibaud Seigneur de Montlhery & Chevrouse (sic) [Ref: Moriarty p265] Milan & dau Thibard [Ref: Moriarty p63]
d. 1095 [Ref: ES III:624, Moriarty p63 & 265], as a monk at Lampoint* [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval] as a monk at Lamport* [Ref: Moriarty p63]
*Research note: Lampoint or Lamport... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Guy married Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte 1946.,2120 Hodierne was born in 1014 in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1 December 1074 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 2362. Another name for Hodierne was Hodierne De LA FERTE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Milon I Seigneur De MONTLHERY was born about 1035 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 1719 and died in 1118 1719 about age 83.
ii. Guy II De MONTLHERY Comte De Rochefort was born in 1037 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1108 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1719,2363 at age 71. Another name for Guy was Guy De CRECY Comte De Rochefort Sur Yvelin.
16088777701 iii. Melisende De MONTLHERY (born about 1040 in Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France - died after 1097)
iv. Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTLHERY was born in 1040 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.1659
v. Adele De MONTLHERY was born about 1044 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
32177555403. Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte,415,1946,2120 daughter of Guillaume De GOMETZ De Bures and Unknown, was born in 1014 in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1 December 1074 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 2362. Another name for Hodierne was Hodierne De LA FERTE.
General Notes: The following information was provided by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
aka: Hodierna de la Ferte/Fort/Forte-Alais
Dame de Gometz et de la Forte-Alais [Ref: ES III:659]
sister of William de la Ferte, alias Seigneur de Gometz, Seneschal of France [Ref: Moriarty p63]
dame of Bures [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
d. Dec 1 after 1074 [Ref: Moriarty p63] Dec 7 after 1074 [Ref: Moriarty p265] occ (living) 1074 [Ref: ES III:624]
Regards,
Curt
Hodierne married Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse 1946,2360.,2361 Guy was born in 1009 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France,1719,2361 died in 1095 in Chevreuse, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2120,2361 at age 86, and was buried in Abbaye DE Longpont, Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France.
32177555404. Albert III Comte De NAMUR,670,1886,2364 son of Albert II Comte De NAMUR and Regilinde Of Lower LORRAINE, was born about 1030 in Namur, Belgium 2293 and died on 22 June 1102 2293 about age 72.
Albert married Ida Billung Of SAXONY 2364 about 1067.2293 Ida was born about 1035 in Saxony, Germany and died on 31 July 1102 2293 about age 67. Another name for Ida was Ida BILLUNG.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777702 i. Godfrey Comte De NAMUR (born in 1067 in Namur, Belgium - died on 19 August 1139 in Abbey Of Florette, France)
32177455463 ii. Adelaide (Adelheid\Alix) De NAMUR (born in 1068 in Oizy, Namur, Belgium - died after 30 September 1124)
iii. Raoul III De LA ROCHE-TESSON was born about 1070 in Namur, Belgium and died in 1096 in Roche, Vienne, Poitou, France about age 26.
iv. Henry I Comte De LA ROCHE was born about 1080 in La Roche, Walloon Region, Belgium and died in 1137 about age 57.
32177555405. Ida Billung Of SAXONY,415,670,2364 daughter of Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY and Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT, was born about 1035 in Saxony, Germany and died on 31 July 1102 2293 about age 67. Another name for Ida was Ida BILLUNG.
Ida married Frederick II Count Of LUXEMBOURG,2293 son of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG. Frederick was born in 1006 in Luxembourg, died on 28 August 1065 2293 at age 59, and was buried in Duke Of Lower Lotharingia.2293
Ida next married Albert III Comte De NAMUR 1886,2364 about 1067.2293 Albert was born about 1030 in Namur, Belgium 2293 and died on 22 June 1102 2293 about age 72.
32177555418. William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham 415,2130,2365 was born in 1050 in Normandy, France and died from 28 January 1113 to 1114 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2365 at age 63.
General Notes: Complete Peerage, IV Appendix I.
Of William Peverel of Nottingham, the elder, very little is known. He is usually said to have been an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, but as this statement cannot be traced farther back than to the time of the Tudors, it is worth little, or nothing. His wife's name was Adeline, and he had at least four children -- William, who dvp., another William, who succeeded him, and two daughters, Maud, and Adelise, wife of Richard de Reviers. The Conqueror gave him extensive possessions, afterwards known as the honour of Peverel, consisting of about 100 lordships in cos. Notts and Northants, 14 in co. Derby, and some 20 in cos. Bucks, Leicester, Oxford, Beds, Berks, and Essex. He founded the Priory of St. James at Nottingham and that of Lenton in the same county. In the foundation chater of the latter he stated that it was founded. . . He died 28 Jan 1113/4. [Complete Peerage IV:Appendix I, pp. 761-2]
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The following information was excerpted from a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
The claim has been made that William Peverel was a bastard son of William the Conqueror. The source for this is an old pedigree in which Peverel appears to have been added to the family of William. There is no other documentation which presents a relationship supporting Peverel's placement as a royal bastard (there are a few grants from the king, but there is no indication that these represent anything special). In addition, William had no other documented bastards, which suggests that if he did have any, he didn't bother keeping track of them. The more recent authors that I have seen have tended not to favor such a relationship as being accurate. [Ref: TAF 15 Nov 1996]
Derbyshire and the Domesday Book in 1086
William de Peverel, the next major land holder in Derbyshire, was somewhat of a mystery. There are strong claims he was the bastard son of Duke William of Normandy in a relationship with Maud, daughter of a Saxon noble, Ingleric. Whether this lady was married to Ranulph? before or after the relationship is uncertain. The difficulty in the argument is one of timing. If he, William Peveral, appears in 1068 in charge of Nottingham Castle, he must have been at least twenty years old. That makes this liaison between Duke William and Maud somewhere around 1046 and must have been in Normandy. This is supported by both William and his half brother, Ranulf, both being of age, were recorded at the Battle of Hastings. Nevertheless, William Peveral became the holder of Nottingham Castle, and a further 162 lordships and manors throughout England and Wales, including the Peak Castle in Derbyshire, all granted by Duke William of Normandy. The grant almost blended the distinction of the two counties, Nottingham and Derby and courts of assize were held alternately between the two jurisdictions. The royal relationship of William Peveral was further clouded by Ranulph Peverel, legitmate son of Maud and Ranulph, half brother of William, possibly treated (theoretically) as a stepson? of the Duke, who, surprisingly, was granted 64 manors, almost as many as William Peverel (69 manors) in Nottingham. From Ranulph is descended the distinguished baronial family of Peverel and its many branches. William Peverel, on the other hand, married Adelina, daughter of Roger de Poitou (see Earl of Lancaster, and Lancashire and the Domesday, on this Web Site) and acquired, through her, many lordships in Lancashire, probably a few years after the Domesday around 1094 or soon after. when Roger died. William was succeeded by his second son, William Peverel.
This Peverel mystery could all be wrapped up with some small conjecture. Maud could have been a Saxon lady who was in the train of Edward the Confessor in his thirty year exile in Normandy, and, after the liaison with the Duke, Maud later married Ranulph, a Norman noble in Normandy. This latter's background is unclear, but he must obviously have made the grade at the Norman Court. Hence, both half brothers were of age, and at the Battle of Hastings with the Duke. The Duke was not without favour to both.
William Peverel Holdings; Derbyshire 1086: Abney, Bolsover Bradwell, Codnor, Glapwell, Hazlebadge, Heanor, Hucklow, Langley, Litton, Shirland, South Normanton, South Wingfield, Uftonfields [Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Derbyshire.htm]
In 1086 the Doomsday book was produced and a publication on this book was produced (edited) by Thomas Hinde and published by Hutchinson, ISBN 09 161830 4... From page 338 it gives a list of major landholders and, on page 341
are two very intriguing entries :
Ranulf Peverel, married former mistress of William I (the Conqueror).
Holdings in Berks., Norfolk, Oxon. and Suffolk.
William Peverel. Perhaps illegitimate son of William I by his mistress; took name of Peverel from stepfather, who married her. Large holdings in Notts. and Derbys. Also in six other counties. [Ref: Leo van de Pas 1 Jan 2001]
William Peverel is shown in Domesday People by Keats-Rohan as Willelm Peurel de Nottingeham, where it says of him, that there is no direct evidence of any relationship with Ranulf Peverel... but it is highly likely they were related and possibly quite closely. They both held lordships in west Normandy, Ranuld at Vengeons, Manche, Sourdeval, and William at "Turgistorp". He had a brother, Robert, and by his wife Adeline, he had issue two sons named William, of whom one predeceased him, and a daughter Adeliz who married Richard I de Redvers. He died 28 Jan 1113/14.
Ranulf Peuerel was from Vengeons. His wife Athelida was a confrater of St Albans. Keats-Rohan refers to the "spurious account of this marriage, with Ranulf's wife converted into an Ingelrica, mistress of William I, as printed in Mon. Ang. iii, is unworthy of repetition". His successor was his son William, died before 1129/30. [Ref: Renia Simmonds 2 Jan 2001]
"William the Conqueror" by David C Douglas, Yale University Press, New Haven and London 1964, reprinted 1999 makes no mention of any mistress or bastard children of William the Conqueror. Neither are the Peverels mentioned.
In case anyone is still curious about the legend, a discussion of William Peverel's parentage by the Victorian herald, J.R.Planche, is on Pat Patterson's site at:
http://patpnyc.com/reading.shtml
Planche actually defends the story that William Peverel was an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, despite its having already been rejected by "Eaton" (Eyton?), and by Freeman, "with contempt and indignation". The only sources cited for the story are post-medieval, and Planche's least tenuous piece of corroborative evidence seems to be that William Peverel, when founding a priory, made no provision for his parents' souls, but did so for the souls of King William and Queen Matilda, with other members of the royal family. (If anything, this seems to be an argument in favour of his being a "legitimate" son of the Conqueror!) [Ref: Chris Phillips 2 Jan 2001]
William married Adeline 2130,2365 in 1071. Adeline was born in 1054 in Normandy, France and died from 19 January 1118 to 1119 in England at age 64.
Children from this marriage were:
16088777709 i. Adelise PEVEREL (born about 1072 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England - died on 27 May 1156)
iii. Maud PEVEREL was born about 1085 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England and died after 1133 in Cemmaes, Machynlleth, Powys, Wales.
32177555419. Adeline 415,2130,2365 was born in 1054 in Normandy, France and died from 19 January 1118 to 1119 in England at age 64.
Adeline married William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham 2130,2365 in 1071. William was born in 1050 in Normandy, France and died from 28 January 1113 to 1114 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2365 at age 63.
32177555440. Joscelin I (Jocelin) Sire De COURTENAY,415,1463,2136 son of Athon De COURTENAY Castellan Chateau-Renard and Unknown, was born in 1034 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died in 1079 at age 45.
Joscelin married Hildegarde De GATINAIS 1463 in 1st Wife.1463 Hildegarde was born about 1038 in Gatinais, Loiret, Centre, France.
Joscelin next married Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTLHERY 1463,1959,2136,2366 in 1065 in 2ND Husband.1463 Elizabeth was born in 1040 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.1659
Children from this marriage were:
i. Hermengard (Vaindelmonde) De COURTENAY was born about 1068 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France.
16088777720 ii. Miles (Milo) Sire De COURTENAY (born about 1075 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France - died after 1127 in France)
iii. Josselin II De COURTENAY Prince Of Galilee was born about 1078 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died in 1131 in Galilee, Syria 1463 about age 53.
32177555441. Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTLHERY,415,1463,1959,2136,2366 daughter of Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse and Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte, was born in 1040 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.1659
General Notes: Originally Elizabeth/Isabel (apparently the names are the same in Medieval English/Latin) was married to Walter de St. Valery, d. 1061, and then she married Joscelin Courtenay. However Walter apparently lived until after 1086, and possibly after 1097; so I don't know if they got a divorce, or if two sisters married the two gentlemen - and Isabel and Elizabeth are not the same person. There are sources for both marriages.
Elizabeth married Walter (Gauthier) De ST. VALERY Of Tetbury 1659,1959,2366 in 1st Husband. Walter was born in 1035 in St Valery-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England 1959.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1061. 1659
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1097. 2366 Holy Land
The child from this marriage was:
i. Bernard III De ST. VALERY Of Tetbury was born in 1061 in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England and died after 1115.
Elizabeth next married Joscelin I (Jocelin) Sire De COURTENAY 1463,2136 in 1065 in 2ND Husband.1463 Joscelin was born in 1034 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died in 1079 at age 45.
32177555442. Renaud II Comte De Auxerre & NEVERS,415,2367,2368 son of William I (Guillaume) Comte De NEVERS and Ermengarde De TONNERRE, was born in 1047 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 5 August 1089 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2367,2368 at age 42. Another name for Renaud was Renaud II Comte De AUXERRE & Nevers.
Renaud married Agnes De BEAUGENCY 2369 in 1st Wife.2368 Agnes was born about 1053 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died before 1081.
The child from this marriage was:
i. William II Comte De NEVERS & Auxerre was born about 1070 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2370 and died on 20 August 1147 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2370 about age 77. Another name for William was Guillaume II Comte De Nevers & AUXERRE.
Renaud next married Ida Comtesse De FOREZ 2367,2371 before 1081 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife. Ida was born about 1066 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1092. Another name for Ida was Ita-Raimonde De LYON.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777721 i. Ermengarde De NEVERS (born about 1082 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France - died in 1100 in France)
32177555443. Ida Comtesse De FOREZ,415,2367,2371 daughter of Artald V Comte De FOREZ & Lyon and Ida, was born about 1066 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1092. Another name for Ida was Ita-Raimonde De LYON.
Ida married Renaud II Comte De Auxerre & NEVERS 2367,2368 before 1081 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife. Renaud was born in 1047 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 5 August 1089 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2367,2368 at age 42. Another name for Renaud was Renaud II Comte De AUXERRE & Nevers.
Ida next married Guigues Raymond Comte De FOREZ,2176,2372 son of Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON and Agnes (Inez) Of BARCELONA, after 1089 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Guigues was born about 1071 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1095 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France. Another name for Guigues was Guigues Dit Raimond D' ALBON.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Guy I D'albon Comte De Lyon & FOREZ was born about 1092 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 27 October 1138 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 2373 about age 46.
32177555444. Everard De DONJON 415 was born in 1050 in Donjon Castle, Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France and died in 1083 at age 33.
Everard married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555449. Matilda De BRITTANY,415,2003 daughter of Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY and Orguen, was born about 1043 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 3 Oct 2002, by Rosie Bevan, which identifies Matilda as a descendant of the Dukes of Brittany, based on her holdings. In a previous post to this thread Rosie had suggested her as daughter of Ribald & Beatrice de Taillebois, but I believe that chronology would make her more likely his sister. Rosie suggests that possibly Walter was a 2nd husband for Matilda, and that she had a son & heir by her 1st husband, because none of her properties descended in the Deincourt family. Some genealogists (Fowlds for one) have suggested that Matilda was a daughter of William I the Conqueror.
From: "Rosie Bevan" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Walter Deincourt of Blankney, co. Lincoln: a Royal Kinsman
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-10-03 02:12:42 PST
Dear John
Just a few comments. . . .
Looking at the Henry II's confirmation charter of 1156/57, Farrer's identification of the placenames looks sound. I should have included it in my previous post to clarify the information so here is the relevant passage which is found amongst a long list of grants to St Mary's York.
"Matildis uxor ejus i carucatam terre que fuit Brictive in Corebi et silvam que pertinet ad eandem terram. Decimam de dominio de Abingtuna et de Lins et de Tudenham et decimam Ribaldi de Pychenham et altera Lins et decimam Hervi de Thorp, decimam Normanni de Flittaburn, decimam Gerardi in Appelbi et Gainestorp et terram que vocatur Northwda juxta Britonam in Lincoln scira" [EYC v.1 p.275]
Translation:
"Matilda his [Walter's] wife one carucate of land which was of Brictive in Coreby [Lincs. - D'Aincourt held of the Bishop of Lincoln] and the wood pertaining to that land. Tithes of the demesne of Abington, [Cambs. Count Alan held land here] and of Lyng and of Tuddenham [Suffolk- Count Alan] and the tithes of Ribald of Pickenham [South Pickenham, Norfolk - Count Alan], Lyng [Norfolk - Count Alan] and the tithes of Hervey of Honingham Thorp [Norfolk- Count Alan], the tithes of Norman of Flixborough [Lincs. - Norman d'Arcy], the tithes of Gerard in Appleby [Lincs.- and Gainesthorpe [Lincs. - Ivo de Taillebois] and land called Northwood next to Burton in Lincolnshire."
The latter identification of Northwood and Burton Coggles is Fowlds' as Farrer was unable to identify it. However it seems to me that it could also refer to Burton near Lincoln which was held by the Bishop of Lincoln. Norton Disney is some 21 miles away from Burton Coggles and 10 miles from Burton near Lincoln, so is improbable.
There can be no doubt that the main holdings are of Count Alan - and Ribald is actually mentioned in reference to Pickenham. It seems to me that the case for Matilda's relationship with the house of Brittany is very strong. Also interesting is the D'Ayncourt holding (and possibly two) of the bishop of Lincoln. A gift by Remigius perhaps?
Cheers
Rosie
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This is excerpted from Rosie's previous post in the same thread:
If the D'Aincourt connection was via the house of Brittany as perhaps suggested by Matilda's holdings (which incidentally did not pass to the Deincourts) the blood relationship to the royal house may be explained by descent from Geoffrey, Duke of Brittany and Hawise da. of Richard I of Normandy. As I understand it Ivo Taillebois' (d.c 1093) daughter Beatrice (d. 1112) was the wife of Ribald d.1121, illegitimate brother of Count Alan. [K-R, DP p.283]. Ribaud was a tenant of the Count Alan in Middleham, Yorkshire and Lincolnshire in 1086.[K-R DP, 314].
Could Matilda have been a daughter of Ribaud and Beatrice?
Cheers
Rosie
Matilda married in 2ND Husband ?.2003
The child from this marriage was:
16088777724 i. Ralph DEINCOURT 2nd Lord D'eyncourt (born about 1072 in Blankney, Lincolnshire, England - died before 1158)
32177557676. William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey,415,505,531,670,1416,1585,1868 son of William De WARENNE 1st Earl Of Surrey and Gundred Of FLANDERS, was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
General Notes: EARLDOM OF SURREY (II) 1088
WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) II, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir by 1st wife, usually styled EARL DE WARENNE. In 1090 he fought in Normandy against Robert de Belléme (afterwards 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury), who was supported by Duke Robert. Shortly after 1093 he sought unsuccessfully to marry Maud, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland. He was with Henry I at Windsor on 3 September 1101, but later in that autumn he went with Duke Robert to Normandy and supported him against the King, who confiscated his inheritance in England; however, in 1103 the Duke induced Henry to restore his English Earldom. In 1106 he commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was at a Great Council at Nottingharn; and in 1110 he was a surety for the performance of the treaty with the Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the nobles sitting in judgement in Normandy. He commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Brémule in 1119 (l). In 1131 he attended the Council at Northampton. He was present at the death of Henry I on 1 December 1135 at Lyons-la-Foret; after which the councillors put him in charge of the district of Rouen and the pays de Caux. Later he went to England, and he was at Westminster with Stephen at Easter 1136. He was probably still living in June 1137. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous benefactions, to the abbeys of St. Evroul and St. Amand (Rouen), and the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Wymondham, Longueville and Bellencombre. Henry I had proposed to marry William to one of his illegitimate daughters, but on Archbishop Anselm's objection this match was abandoned on the ground of affinity. William eventually married Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118) (c), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. He died probably 11 May 1138 and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory (g). She died probably before July 1147 (h). [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
(l) He had encouraged Henry to fight when William (de Tancarville) the Chamberlain urged him to retreat. His alleged speech to the King before the battle is given in "Chron. Men de Hida", pp. 316-7.
(c) According to Henry of Huntingdon [their daughter Ada's husband], the death of Isabel's 1st husband was hastened by an (unnamed) Earl carrying her off, by force or fraud. The truth of this is open to question.
(g) He left 3 sons: William - 3rd Earl, Ralph, and Rainald, ancestor of the Warennes of Wormegay; and 2 daughters: (1) Gundred, who m. 1st Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick; 2ndly, (as his 2nd wife), William de Lancaster; (2) Ada, who m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, s. of David I, King of Scotland, by whom she was mother of Malcolm IV and William the Lion, Kings of Scotland.
(h) Before her son William, 3rd Earl, went on crusade in June 1147.
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This nobleman, William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 2nd Earl of Surrey, joined Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, in favour of Robert Curthose against Henry I, and in consequence forfeited his English earldom and estates, but those were subsequently restored to him and he was ever afterwards a good and faithful subject to King Henry. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, by whom he had issue, William, Reginald, Ralph, Gundred, and Adeline. The earl d. 11 May, 1138, and was s. by his eldest son, William de Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
William married Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS 531,1869,1871,1872,1873 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 Isabel was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
32177557677. Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS,415,505,531,670,1869,1871,1872,1873 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
General Notes: Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef July 1147, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. 1869
Isabel married Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester,905,1873,1874,1877 son of Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer and Adeline De MEULAN, in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Robert was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
Isabel next married William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey 531,1416,1585,1868 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 William was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
32177558076. Osbern De ARCHES Of Thorp Arches,415,2374 son of William Vicomte D' ARQUES and Beatrice De BOLBEC, was born about 1059 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1116 in Thorp Arch, West Riding Yorkshire, England about age 57. Another name for Osbern was Osbern D' ARQUES.
General Notes: Domesday Tenant of Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
Osbern married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Agnes De ARCHES Lady Appleton was born about 1086 in York, Yorkshire, England.
32177558784. Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE,415,417,670,1169,1524,2066,2067 son of Henry I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV, was born before 23 May 1052 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,389,390,2066 died on 29 July 1108 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390,1524,2066,2067, and was buried in Abbaye St-Benoit-Sur-Loire, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.389,390
General Notes:
The following was excerpted from a post to SGM, 3 Jan 1999, by Leo van de Pas:
Philippe I, King of France
At age twenty, Philippe I, King of France, married Bertha of Holland, the step-daughter of his first cousin. This marriage had been arranged to seal the reconciliation between the king and his first cousin, the Count of Flanders. However, it took Bertha about six years before she produced a daughter, Constance, which was not the hoped-for heir. Arnoul, a holy hermit of Saint-Medard in Soissons who was always consulted on family problems, prayed to heaven; however, it still took another three years before the heir, the future King Louis VI, was born. He was followed by three more sons.
Twenty years after the marriage, Philippe imprisoned Bertha in comfort in the chateau at Montreuil-sur-Mer. He then wed the still-married Bertrade de Montfort l'Amauri, wife of the Count of Anjou, and they produced four children. It is lost in time whether she seduced him or he her, but most likely Philippe had an understanding with the Count of Anjou. In any case Bertrade was more than willing as she did not want to be "sent away like a whore," as her husband had done to her predecessors.
Philippe's remarriage caused a sensation but not disapproval. The only one who caused problems was Yves, bishop of Chartres, who had been appointed by Pope Urban II without consultations with Philippe and this had been resented by the latter.
The King had invited all bishops to his second wedding but Yves declined, referring to Philippe as committing bigamy. Although Philippe had married with the blessing of the Archbishop of Reims as well as the Papal legate, Yves wrote to the Pope who then forbade the bishops to crown Bertrade and told Philippe to cease all relations with her or else be excommunicated. Next, Bertha, his first wife, died and Philippe gathered two archbishops and eight bishops in Reims who all confirmed the royal second marriage. The Pope also put pressure on the womanising Count of Anjou who then obediently complained about the king's committing adultery with his wife. In 1096 Philippe pretended to have broken with Bertrade and consequently the excommunication was lifted.
However, when it became obvious in 1099 that Bertrade was still with him, the excommunication was renewed. It took until 1105 before peace was restored and from then on Philippe and Bertrade remained together till Philippe died in 1108.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1053. 1524,2067
• Ruled: 1060-1108.
Philip married Bertrade (Bertrada\Beatrice) De MONTFORT [Queen Of France],2017,2066 daughter of Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT and Agnes D' EVREUX, in 1093 in Scandalous--Bertrada Was Married To Another 1382.,2066 Bertrade was born about 1073 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390 and died from 14 February 1116 to 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 about age 43.
Philip next married Bertha Of HOLLAND 1524,2066,2067 in 1072 1524.,2067 Bertha was born about 1055 in Vlaardingen, Holland 2067 and died in 1094 in Montreuil-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2067 about age 39. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of West FRIESLAND.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Constance Princess Of FRANCE was born about 1085 in France.
32177558785. Bertha Of HOLLAND,415,670,1524,2066,2067 daughter of Florent (Florens) I Count Of HOLLAND and Gertrud Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 1055 in Vlaardingen, Holland 2067 and died in 1094 in Montreuil-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2067 about age 39. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of West FRIESLAND.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1093. 1524
Bertha married Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE 1524,2066,2067 in 1072 1524.,2067 Philip was born before 23 May 1052 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,389,390,2066 died on 29 July 1108 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390,1524,2066,2067, and was buried in Abbaye St-Benoit-Sur-Loire, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.389,390
32177558786. Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY,415,670,1524,1993,2375 son of Amadeo II De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY and Johanna De GENEVA, was born about 1062 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 18 September 1103 2375 about age 41. Another name for Humbert was Humbert II Comte De MARIENNE & Savoy.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 17 October 1133. 1993
Humbert married Gisela Of BURGUNDY 1994,2376,2377 in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375 Gisela was born about 1073 in Bourgogne, France and died after 1133 1993,1994.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779393 i. Adelaide Of SAVOY (born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 18 November 1154)
16088779448 ii. Amadeo III Comte De SAVOY (born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died before April 1148 in Cyprus)
iii. Agnes Of SAVOY was born before 1104 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1141. Another name for Agnes was Agnes De MAURIENNE.
32177558787. Gisela Of BURGUNDY,415,670,1994,2376,2377 daughter of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, was born about 1073 in Bourgogne, France and died after 1133 1993,1994.
Gisela married in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375
Gisela married Rainier III Marquis Of MONTFERRAT 1984 after 1103 in 2ND Husband.1994 Rainier was born about 1075 in Montferrat, Italy and died before 1167 1994.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Jeanne De MONTFERRAT was born about 1104 in Montferrat, Italy and died after 1118.
ii. William V Margrave Of MONTFERRAT was born about 1110 in Montferrat, Italy and died in 1191 1994 about age 81.
iii. Matilda De MONTFERRAT was born about 1115 in Montferrat, Italy.
Gisela next married Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY 1524,1993,2375 in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375 Humbert was born about 1062 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 18 September 1103 2375 about age 41. Another name for Humbert was Humbert II Comte De MARIENNE & Savoy.
32177558788. Andre Sire De BAUDEMONT Senschal Of Champagne 670,2378,2379 was born about 1070 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 19 July 1142 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France 2378 about age 72. Another name for Andre was Andre Sire De Baudemont & BRAINE.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1130. 668
Andre married Agnes Dame De BRAINE.2380 Agnes was born about 1077 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France and died about 1137 about age 60.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Eustace De BAUDEMONT De Corbeile was born about 1094 in Corbeil, Aube, Champagne, France. Another name for Eustace was Eustace De VAUDEMONT.
16088779394 ii. Gui Seigneur De BAUDEMONT (born in 1098 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France - died before 1144 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France)
iii. Helvide De BAUDEMONT was born in 1105 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France 668 and died in 1165 2381 at age 60.
iv. Humberline De BAUDEMONT was born about 1110 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1135 2382.
32177558789. Agnes Dame De BRAINE 670,2380 was born about 1077 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France and died about 1137 about age 60.
Agnes married Andre Sire De BAUDEMONT Senschal Of Champagne 2378.,2379 Andre was born about 1070 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 19 July 1142 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France 2378 about age 72. Another name for Andre was Andre Sire De Baudemont & BRAINE.
32177558792. Thomas De COUCY Comte D'amiens 670,2383 was born about 1073 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2383 and died before 1130 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France 2383. Other names for Thomas were Thomas De Coucy & Marle Comte D' AMIENS, and Thomas Seigneur De Coucy & MARLE Comte D'amiens.
Thomas married Yolande (Ida) De HAINAULT,2356 daughter of Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT and Ida De LOUVAIN, in 1st Wife.2383 Yolande was born in 1086 in Hainault, Belgium and died after 1101 2356.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Beatrix (Basilie) De COUCY was born about 1101 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1156 2384.
Thomas next married Ermengarde De MONTAIGU,2385 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, before 1108 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2385 Ermengarde was born about 1073 in Montaigu, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 1109.
Thomas next married Melisende De MONTLHERY 2386 before 1109 in 3rd Wife.2383 Melisende was born about 1090 in Crecy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died after 1147 2386. Another name for Melisende was Melisende De CRECY.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779396 i. Enguerrand II Sire De COUCY & Marle (born about 1110 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France - died in 1148 in Nazareth, Palestine)
ii. Melesinde De COUCY was born in 1120 in Crecy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died after 1181 in Caistor Next Yarmouth, Flegg, Norfolk, England 2195.
iii. Robert I De Coucy Seigneur De BOVES was born about 1125 in Boves, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 19 July 1191 2387 about age 66. Another name for Robert was Robert De COUCY Seigneur De Boves.
32177558793. Melisende De MONTLHERY 670,2386 was born about 1090 in Crecy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died after 1147 2386. Another name for Melisende was Melisende De CRECY.
Melisende married Thomas De COUCY Comte D'amiens 2383 before 1109 in 3rd Wife.2383 Thomas was born about 1073 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2383 and died before 1130 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France 2383. Other names for Thomas were Thomas De Coucy & Marle Comte D' AMIENS, and Thomas Seigneur De Coucy & MARLE Comte D'amiens.
32177558794. Raoul I Sire De BEAUGENCY,670,2388 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1070 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in 1130 about age 60.
Raoul married Maud (Matilda) De VERMANDOIS 2388 in 1090.2388 Maud was born in 1080 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779397 i. Agnes De BEAUGENCY (born about 1108 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France)
32177558795. Maud (Matilda) De VERMANDOIS,415,670,2388 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born in 1080 in France.
Maud married Raoul I Sire De BEAUGENCY 2388 in 1090.2388 Raoul was born about 1070 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in 1130 about age 60.
32177558796. Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT,415,670,1767,1769,2111,2112 son of Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT and Ida De LOUVAIN, was born about 1087 in Hainault, Belgium 2111 and died in 1120 2111,2112,2113 about age 33.
Baudouin married Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders 1767,1769,2112,2114 in 1107 1770.,2111 Yolande was born about 1092 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.2114 Another name for Yolande was Yolande De GUELDERS.
32177558797. Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders,415,670,1767,1769,2112,2114 daughter of Gerard III Von WASSENBURG Count Of Guelders and Clemence De POITOU, was born about 1092 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.2114 Another name for Yolande was Yolande De GUELDERS.
General Notes: Turton has Yolanthe as daughter of Gerard & Ermengarde of Zutphen. I have that Gerard as her brother, based on the birth date & ancestry given in Leo's Data Base.
Yolande married Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT 1767,1769,2111,2112 in 1107 1770.,2111 Baudouin was born about 1087 in Hainault, Belgium 2111 and died in 1120 2111,2112,2113 about age 33.
32177558798. Godfrey Comte De NAMUR,415,670,2115,2124 son of Albert III Comte De NAMUR and Ida Billung Of SAXONY, was born in 1067 in Namur, Belgium 2125 and died on 19 August 1139 in Abbey Of Florette, France 2125 at age 72.
Godfrey married Sibylle De CHATEAU-PORCIEN 1783,1784,2125 about 1087.2125 Sibylle was born about 1075 in Chateau Porcien, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France. Another name for Sibylle was Sibil De PORCEAN.
Godfrey next married Ermesinde Of LUXEMBOURG 2112,2115 before 1105 in 3rd Husband. Ermesinde was born about 1082 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany and died on 24 June 1143 2115 about age 61.
32177558799. Ermesinde Of LUXEMBOURG,415,670,2112,2115 daughter of Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Clemence De POITOU, was born about 1082 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany and died on 24 June 1143 2115 about age 61.
Ermesinde married Albert Of MOHA after 1089 in 2ND Husband. Albert was born in 1083 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany.
Ermesinde next married Godfrey Comte De NAMUR 2115,2124 before 1105 in 3rd Husband. Godfrey was born in 1067 in Namur, Belgium 2125 and died on 19 August 1139 in Abbey Of Florette, France 2125 at age 72.
Ermesinde next married Adalbert II Von EGISHEIM in 1st Husband. Adalbert was born about 1060 in Eguisheim, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France and died on 24 August 1098 about age 38. Another name for Adalbert was Adalbert I Count Of DAGSBURG.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Mathilda Von EGISHEIM was born about 1098 in Eguisheim, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France and died after 1135.
ii. Hugo IX Count Of DAGSBURG was born about 1100 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France.
32177558800. Geoffrey III Vicomte De THOUARS,415,2148 son of Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS and Aurengarde De MAULEON, was born about 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died after 1123 2148.
Geoffrey married Ameline. Ameline was born about 1075 in France and died between 1106 and 1123 about age 31.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779400 i. Aimery VI Vicomte de THOUARS (born about 1095 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died in 1127)
32177558801. Ameline was born about 1075 in France and died between 1106 and 1123 about age 31.
Ameline married Geoffrey III Vicomte De THOUARS.2148 Geoffrey was born about 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died after 1123 2148.
32177558802. William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine,415,670,2149,2150,2151 son of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY, was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
General Notes: Crusader 1101, "le Troubadour", 1st known singer/poet in the vernacular. [Ancestral Roots]
William married Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne,2004,2152,2153 daughter of Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency, in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1090.2152 Ermangarde was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
William next married Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE 2151,2155,2156 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 Philippa was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
William next married Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD,2157,2158 daughter of Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD and Gerberge, after 1116 in Late Mistress (No Marriage).2157 Dangereuse was born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 1119. Another name for Dangereuse was Dangereuse MAUBERGEONNE.
32177558803. Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE,415,670,2151,2155,2156 daughter of William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne and Emma De MORTAIGNE, was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
General Notes:
Philippa (Matilda or Maud) of Toulouse, b. ca. 1073, divorced 1115/6, d. 28 Nov 1117; m. (1) Sancho Ramiros, King of Aragon; m. (2) 1094, William VII of Poitou (IX of Aquitaine), Count of Poitou, Duke of Aquitaine, b. ca. 22 Oct 1071, d. 10 Feb 1126/7, crusader 1101. [Ancestral Roots]
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The following post to SGM, 6 Mar 2003, by Thierry Stasser in response to my query, dispells the marriage of Philippa & Sancho Ramirez, as well as AR's "ca. 1073" birth date:
From: Thierry Stasser ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Phillipa de Toulouse, granddaughter of Maud de Montgomery & Robert de Mortain
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-06 12:42:53 PST
William IV of Toulouse married Emma, dau of Robert of Mortain, before June 16, 1080 (Histoire Générale de Languedoc, vol V, col 649- 652: ego Guillelmus Tolosanensium...comes et dux...me simul cum uxore mea nomine Emma...facta carta hujus donationis anno millesimo LXXX incarnationis Christi regnante Philippo rege...; and col 652-654: ego guillelmus dei gratia Tolosanorum ..;comes et dux et ego Emma uxor eius... facta carta donationis hujus anno Incarnatione Domini M LXXX regnante Philippo rege Francorum feria II , XVI kalendas julii...). William IV had been previously married to a lady Mantilis, mentioned in 1067 (Ibidem, vol V, col 544: ipse et Mantilis comitissa eius uxor). William IV of Toulouse's second marriage is then dated 1068/1080, but most probably about 1079, as Emma was not born before 1064/1065.
Contrary to previous assumptions, Philippa had not been married to the king of Aragon Sancho Ramirez (S de VAJAY, Ramire II le Moine, roi d'Aragon et Agnes de poitou dans l'histoire et la légende, in Mélanges offerts à René crozet, 2 vol, Poitiers, 1966, vol 2, p 727-750; R E Harvey, The wives of the first troubadour Duke William IX of Aquitaine, in Journal of Medieval History, vol 19, 1993, p 315). Philippa married William IX of Aquitaine in 1094 (La chronique de Saint Maixent, ed. J Verdon, Paris, 1979, p 170). Sancho Ramirez of Aragon had been married 1st to Elisabeth of Urgell, and then by 1076 to Felicia of Roucy (J de Salarrullana de Dios, Documentos correspondientes al reinado de Sancho ramirez, Saragossa, 1907, vol 1, nr 12, p 25-26: ego Sancius gratia Dei rex et laudo hoc quod donavit regina domna Felicia mea uxor...facta carta in era MCXIIII...; this document is dated of Hispanic era). Queen Felicia was still alive in january 1094 (ibidem, vol I, nr 51, p 204-207: dono ego Sancius gratia Dei Aragonensium rex ...and ego felicia regina...facta carta era MCXXXII...) and died on May 3, 1123 (Necrologio del monasterio de San Victorian, in Espana sagrada, ed. H Florez, vol 46, p 278: V non. maii obiit Felicia regina anno MCXXIII). King sancho ramirez died on June 6 1094. So he cannot have married Philippa of Toulouse
I hope this helps
Thierry
dans l'article [email protected], Jim Weber à
[email protected] a écrit le 5/03/03 17:52 :
I ran into a problem with a date given by AR for the approximate birth year of
Philippa de Toulouse, as it relates with the marriage dates given for her
parents and grandparents by CP. I find that all of the dates involved are
questionable and could use the newsgroup's expertise in determining the better
dates.
According to Weis' Ancestral Roots (AR), line 185-3, Phillipa (Maud or
Matilda), daughter of William IV de Toulouse and Emma de Mortain, m. (1)
Sancho Ramirez King of Aragon; (2) in 1094, William VII of Poitou &
Aquitaine. The birth year "ca. 1073" given by AR for Philippa does not fit
with the marriage date given by CP for Emma's parents Robert de Mortain & Maud
de Montgomery. CP III:428 (Cornwall) states that Robert & Maud m. "bef
1066". Nor does the 1073 date fit with marriage date given by CP for the
parents of Maud de Montgomery: CP XI:686 (Shrewsbury) states that Roger II de
Montgomery and Mabel, daughter of William Talvas d'Alencon, were
married "between 1050 and 1054". For the latter marriage date, CP refers to
White, "The First House of Belleme" in Trans. R. Hist. Soc., 4th Ser., vol
xxii, pp. 67-99.
The above dates lead to:
1. Roger II de Montgomery m. bet. 1050-1054, Mabel de Talvas d'Alencon.
2. Maud de Montgomery, b. 1050/4, m. bef. 1066, Robert de Mortain.
3. Emma de Mortain, b. c. 1066, m. William IV of Toulouse.
4. Philippa (Maud or Matilda) de Toulouse, b. c. 1073 (Ouch)
In the article on Hugh de Montgomery, son of Roger II & Mabel, CP XI:688
note "b" states that "According to a Welsh annalist, he [Hugh] was fighting in
Wales in 1072 (Annales Cambriae, Rolls Ser., p. 26); but this seems impossibly
early." I think that this implies that the birth of Hugh may have been
earlier than CP XI:688's "between 1053 and 1059", and that the marriage date
of Hugh's parents may have been earlier as well.
As I stated above I think that both the birth date and the two marriage dates
are off. But I would appreciate any other sources that the newsgroup could
use to determine what the appropriate dates might be.
Jim Weber
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The following e-mail from Peter Stewart, based on the above post to SGM, adds more info:
Jim,
In the article I mentioned Ruth Harvey discusses the evidence for when Philippa died, but not for the date of her birth.
Here are some bits of information from other sources that may be useful:
The alleged marriage of Philippa to Sancho Ramirez of Aragon is false - there's no room for it chronologically, since he was married in 1076 to Felicia de Roucy, who survived him & was not divorced. I suspect this misunderstanding came about from the relationships of Sancho's granddaughter Petronilla, queen of Aragon, whose father was Sancho's son Ramiro II, while her mother Agnes of Poitou was most likely Philippa's daughter.
Philippa was definitely the daughter of her father's second wife, Emma de Mortain - there is a charter of hers in _Histoire général de Languedoc_, vol V p 845: "Ego Philippa, Emae filia", leaving no doubt on this point.
Emma had been married to Guilhem IV, count of Toulouse before 16 June 1080 when she appeared in two of his charters: "uxore mea nomine Emma", _HGL_ vol V p 649, and another of the same date on p 652.
Philippa's marriage to Guilhem is firmly dated to 1094, according to the chronicle of Saint-Maixent: "Anno MXCIIII...Guillelmus duxit uxorem Philippam nomine, filiam Willelmi comitis Tholosani". She may have been already of child-bearing age. Her eldest son was not born until 1099, but it's recorded that she had daughters too and we don't know if one or more of them might have been born before him.
Regards
Peter
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1073. 2150
Philippa married William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine 2149,2150,2151 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 William was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
32177558804. Hugh VI "Le Diable" Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1948 son of Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN and Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE, was born about 1039 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died in 1102 1948 about age 63.
Hugh married Ildegarde (Hildegarde) De THOUARS.1948 Ildegarde was born about 1058 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France 1948 and died after 7 December 1099 1948.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779402 i. Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN (born about 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died after 2 February 1150-1151)
32177558805. Ildegarde (Hildegarde) De THOUARS,415,1948 daughter of Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS and Aurengarde De MAULEON, was born about 1058 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France 1948 and died after 7 December 1099 1948.
Ildegarde married Hugh VI "Le Diable" Sire De LUSIGNAN.1948 Hugh was born about 1039 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died in 1102 1948 about age 63.
32177558808. Stephen Count Of BRITTANY Baron Of Richmond,415,1682,1683,1684 son of Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY and Agnes Canhiart Of CORNOUAILLE, was born in 1065 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France and died before 21 April 1136 in St Marys, York, Yorkshire, England 1684,1685. Another name for Stephen was Etienne De PENTHIEVRE.
General Notes: Founder (1110) Augustinian Abbey of St. Croix at Guincamp, Brittany, France.
Founder Cistercian Abbey of Begard, Brittany, France.
Held Honour of Richmond in England.
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STEPHEN, a count of Brittany, youngest son of Eudon,[a] succeeded his eldest brother, Geoffrey Boterel I, or Geoffrey's son Conan in the Breton lands, and his brother Alan the Black in the honor of Richmond in England, thus uniting all the possessions of the family, but he appears to have been out of possession of the honor of Richmond for a time during the reign of William II. In March 1101, he was a surety for Henry I for the observance of an alliance with Robert, Count of Flanders, and on 3 September 1101 at Windsor he witnessed charters of the King for Herbert, Bishop of Norwich, and for St. Peter's, Bath. On 30 October 1107 he executed at Lamballe a charter for the abbey of SS. Sergius and Bacchus at Angers, and in 1123 at Guingamp one for the abbey of St. Melaine at Rennes. He was a benefactor of the abbey of St. Mary, York, and in the period 1125-35 confirmed to that house gifts of churches, tithes and lands in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, and Norfolk, which formed part of the honor of Richmond. About the year 1110 he and his, wife founded the Augustinian abbey of Ste. Croix at Guingamp, and In 1130 he founded the Cistercian abbey of Bégard.
He married Hawise, whose parentage is unknown (e). He died 21 April, probably in 1135 or I 136. His tomb was in the quire of St. Mary's, York. [Complete Peerage X:786-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
[a] The filiation of Stephen has been a matter of dispute since the lives of him and his father cover about 135 years, and those of the two and Stephen's youngest son, Count Henry, about 180. The descent, however, is beyond doubt, since in a charter for St. Edmund's he describes himself as "Stephanus comes Britanniae Eudonis comitis filius" and refers to his brother Alan the Red and to his sons Geoffrey, Alan and Henry, and this is borne out by other charters, in particular that of Duke Conan. There is no express evidence that Stephen was the son of Eudon's wife Orguen, and he may have been the issue of a second marriage.
(e) She was living in 1135, when, as "comitissa Hadewisa" she witnessed her husband's charter for St. Edmunds. In the first edition of the present work it is stated that she was Countess of Guingamp and that Stephen became Count of Guingamp in her right. For this there seems to be insufficient foundation: Guingamp in the diocese of Treguier would be a part of the lands of Count Eudon.
Stephen married Hawise de SOURDEVAL Countess of Guingamp 1686,1687 on 24 April 1087 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loire, France. Hawise was born in 1066 in Guingamp, Cotes-Du-Nord, Bretagne, France, died on 14 October 1153 in Richmond, Yorkshire, England 1688 at age 87, and was buried on 17 October 1153 in Killburn Abbey Cemetery, London, Middlesex, England. Other names for Hawise were Hawise de GUINCAMP, and Havoise De GUINGAMP.
32177558809. Hawise de SOURDEVAL Countess of Guingamp 415,1686,1687 was born in 1066 in Guingamp, Cotes-Du-Nord, Bretagne, France, died on 14 October 1153 in Richmond, Yorkshire, England 1688 at age 87, and was buried on 17 October 1153 in Killburn Abbey Cemetery, London, Middlesex, England. Other names for Hawise were Hawise de GUINCAMP, and Havoise De GUINGAMP.
General Notes:
He [Stephen, Count of Brittany] married Hawise, whose parentage is unknown (e). He died 21 April, probably in 1135 or I 136. His tomb was in the quire of St. Mary's, York. [Complete Peerage X:786-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(e) She was living in 1135, when, as "comitissa Hadewisa" she witnessed her husband's charter for St. Edmunds. In the first edition of the present work it is stated that she was Countess of Guingamp and that Stephen became Count of Guingamp in her right. For this there seems to be insufficient foundation: Guingamp in the diocese of Treguier would be a part of the lands of Count Eudon.
Hawise married Stephen Count Of BRITTANY Baron Of Richmond 1682,1683,1684 on 24 April 1087 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loire, France. Stephen was born in 1065 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France and died before 21 April 1136 in St Marys, York, Yorkshire, England 1684,1685. Another name for Stephen was Etienne De PENTHIEVRE.
32177558810. Conan III "Le Gross" Duke Of BRITTANY,415,2389 son of Alan IV Fergant Duke Of BRITTANY and Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne, was born about 1091 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died on 17 September 1148 2389 about age 57. Another name for Conan was Conan III Of BRETAGNE.
Conan married Maud Of ENGLAND.2389 Maud was born about 1099 in England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558811. Maud Of ENGLAND,415,670,2389 daughter of Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND and Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew, was born about 1099 in England.
Maud married Conan III "Le Gross" Duke Of BRITTANY.2389 Conan was born about 1091 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died on 17 September 1148 2389 about age 57. Another name for Conan was Conan III Of BRETAGNE.
32177558856. William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine,415,670,2240,2390 son of William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine and Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1024 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147,2240 and died on 25 September 1086 in Aquitaine, France 2147,2240 about age 62. Other names for William were William V Of Poitou VII Duke Of AQUITAINE, and William VI Of Poitou VIII Duke Of AQUITAINE.
General Notes: This William was originally named Guy-Geoffrey.
William married Garsenda Of PERIGORD 2390 in 1044 in 1st Wife.2390 Garsenda was born about 1025 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France.
William next married Matilda De LA MARCHE,2390 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ, before 1052 in 2ND Wife.2390 Matilda was born about 1028 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died before 1068.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Agnes De POITOU was born before 1068 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died before 1092.
William next married Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY 2240,2390 about January 1068-1069 in 3rd Wife 2240.,2390 Hildegarde was born about 1044 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France and died after 1104 2240.
The child from this marriage was:
William next married Ermesinde De LONGWY 2390 about 1047. Ermesinde was born about 1033 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1058 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558857. Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY,415,670,2240,2390 daughter of Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Helie (Ella) De SEMUR, was born about 1044 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France and died after 1104 2240.
Hildegarde married William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine 2240,2390 from about January 1068 to 1069 in 3rd Wife 2240.,2390 William was born about 1024 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147,2240 and died on 25 September 1086 in Aquitaine, France 2147,2240 about age 62. Other names for William were William V Of Poitou VII Duke Of AQUITAINE, and William VI Of Poitou VIII Duke Of AQUITAINE.
32177558858. William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne,415,670,1997,2150,2156 son of Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE and Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE, was born about 1040 in Huesca, Spain 1997 and died in 1093 in Holy Land, Palestine 1997 about age 53.
General Notes: From: Thierry Stasser ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Phillipa de Toulouse, granddaughter of Maud de Montgomery & Robert de Mortain
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-06 12:42:53 PST
William IV of Toulouse married Emma, dau of Robert of Mortain, before June 16, 1080 (Histoire Générale de Languedoc, vol V, col 649- 652: ego Guillelmus Tolosanensium...comes et dux...me simul cum uxore mea nomine Emma...facta carta hujus donationis anno millesimo LXXX incarnationis Christi regnante Philippo rege...; and col 652-654: ego guillelmus dei gratia Tolosanorum ..;comes et dux et ego Emma uxor eius... facta carta donationis hujus anno Incarnatione Domini M LXXX regnante Philippo rege Francorum feria II , XVI kalendas julii...). William IV had been previously married to a lady Mantilis, mentioned in 1067 (Ibidem, vol V, col 544: ipse et Mantilis comitissa eius uxor). William IV of Toulouse's second marriage is then dated 1068/1080, but most probably about 1079, as Emma was not born before 1064/1065.
William married Mantilis 2156 in 1st Wife.2156 Mantilis was born about 1044 in France Or Spain and died after 1067 2156.
William next married Emma De MORTAIGNE 1997,2156 before 16 June 1080 in 2ND Wife 2151.,2156 Emma was born about 1065 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1080 in Huesca, Spain 1997,1998. Another name for Emma was Emma De MORTAIN.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779429 i. Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE (born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died on 28 November 1117)
32177558859. Emma De MORTAIGNE,415,670,1997,2156 daughter of Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall and Maud De MONTGOMERY, was born about 1065 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1080 in Huesca, Spain 1997,1998. Another name for Emma was Emma De MORTAIN.
General Notes: Ancestral Roots, line 185-2, states that Emma "d. 1080", referring to Moriarty's "Plantagenet Ancestry", p. 42 & 46, as a source for the information. Todd Farmerie looked up the reference in Moriarty at my request and found on p. 42 "occ. 1080", and on p. 44 (not 46), "1080" without any indication of what it represents. There is a big difference between "d. 1080" and "living 1080", especially when your marriage date is "bef. 16 June 1080", because "d. 1080" might well mean you didn't have any children. Thanks to Todd Farmerie I can correct AR to "aft. 1080" for her death date.
Emma married William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne 1997,2150,2156 before 16 June 1080 in 2ND Wife 2151.,2156 William was born about 1040 in Huesca, Spain 1997 and died in 1093 in Holy Land, Palestine 1997 about age 53.
32177558860. Boson II Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT,415,670,2158,2391 son of Hugues Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT & Roche and Gerberge De LA ROCHEFOUCAULD, was born about 1055 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2392 and died in 1092 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2158,2391 about age 37.
Boson married Eleanor De THOUARS 2158,2391 in 1075 2158.,2391 Eleanor was born between 1055 and 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France.2392
Children from this marriage were:
i. Sybille De CHATELLERAULT was born about 1075 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died before 1103.
32177558861. Eleanor De THOUARS,415,670,2158,2391 daughter of Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS and Aurengarde De MAULEON, was born between 1055 and 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France.2392
Eleanor married Boson II Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT 2158,2391 in 1075 2158.,2391 Boson was born about 1055 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2392 and died in 1092 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2158,2391 about age 37.
32177558862. Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD,415,670,2157 son of Archimbaud BOREL and Agnes Dame De LISLE BOUCHARD, was born in 1049 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.
Bartholomew married Gerberge. Gerberge was born in 1053 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779431 i. Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD (born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France - died after 1119)
32177558863. Gerberge 415,670 was born in 1053 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.
Gerberge married Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD.2157 Bartholomew was born in 1049 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.
32177558864. Guillaume III Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,415,670,1529,1831 son of Foulque I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Condohe (Cundo) VAGENA, was born about 1065 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 16 April 1118 1529,2393 about age 53. Another name for Guillaume was William III TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
General Notes:
Some people have Guillaume b. 1084, but not if the son Vulgrin was born in 1089
Part of the reason for the later dates may also have been Guillaume III's gg-granddaughter, Matilda, b. around 1165, who m. Hugh IX de Lusignan. Most people have her as a daughter of Guillaume IV, but she is one generation further, being daughter of Vulgrin III, Guillaume IV's son.
Guillaume married Vitapay De BENAUGES 1529.,1831 Vitapay was born about 1073 in Benauge, Gironde, Aquitaine, France.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779432 i. Wulgrim II Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME (born about 1089 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France - died on 16 June 1140)
ii. Graule Taillefer De ANGOULEME was born about 1103 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Another name for Graule was Graule TAILLEFER De \Angouleme\.
32177558865. Vitapay De BENAUGES,415,670,1529,1831 daughter of Amanjeu Seigneur De BENAUGES and Unknown, was born about 1073 in Benauge, Gironde, Aquitaine, France.
Vitapay married Guillaume III Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME 1529.,1831 Guillaume was born about 1065 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 16 April 1118 1529,2393 about age 53. Another name for Guillaume was William III TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
32177558866. Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche,415,670,1529,1900 son of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1123 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England 1529 at age 65.
Roger married Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE 1529,1900 in 1083 of Poitou, France. Adelmode was born in 1062 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1116 1529 at age 54.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, After 1079.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adam De BETHAM was born about 1085 in Beetham, Kendal, Westmorland, England.
32177456411 ii. Avice De LANCASTER (born in 1088 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England - died in 1149)
16088779433 iii. Ponce De MONTGOMERY (born in 1091 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France)
32177558867. Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE,415,670,1529,1900 daughter of Alberic III Comte De LA MARCHE and Ponce, was born in 1062 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1116 1529 at age 54.
Adelmode married Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche 1529,1900 in 1083 of Poitou, France. Roger was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1123 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England 1529 at age 65.
32177558868. Boso I Vicomte De TURENNE,415,670,1529,1669 son of Guillaume I Vicomte De TURENNE and Matilde, was born about 1050 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 1091 in Jerusalem, Palestine 1529 about age 41.
Boso married Gerberge De TERRASSON 1529 in 2ND Wife.1529 Gerberge was born about 1070 in Terrasson, Guyenne, Aquitaine, France and died in 1103 1529 about age 33.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779434 i. Raymond I Vicomte De TURENNE (born about 1090 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France - died about 1122)
ii. Mathilda De TURENNE was born about 1092 in Loches, France and died after 1162 in Beaume, France 1669.
32177558869. Gerberge De TERRASSON,415,670,1529 daughter of Pierre I Comte De TERRASSON and Unknown, was born about 1070 in Terrasson, Guyenne, Aquitaine, France and died in 1103 1529 about age 33.
Gerberge married Boso I Vicomte De TURENNE 1529,1669 in 2ND Wife.1529 Boso was born about 1050 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 1091 in Jerusalem, Palestine 1529 about age 41.
32177558870. Rotrou II Count Of PERCHE,415,670,1750,1756 son of Geoffery II Count De Mortagne & Du PERCHE and Beatrice De MONTDIDIER, was born about 1080 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in April 1144 in Seige Of Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1750,2394 about age 64.
Rotrou married Hawise De EVREUX,1246,1750 daughter of Walter D'evereux SALISBURY Sheriff Of Wiltshire and Sibyl De CHAWORTH Countess Of Salisbury, before 1144 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife.1750 Hawise was born in 1123 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England 389,390 and died in 1152 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France 389,390 at age 29. Another name for Hawise was Harvoise D'evreux.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Countess of Dreux, , Dreux, Eure-Et-Loir, France. 390
• Unknown: Countess of Évreux, Évreux, Rouen, Seine-Et-Maritime, France. 390
The child from this marriage was:
i. Robert PECCHE Bishop Of Coventry was born about 1144 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Another name for Robert was Robert PECHE.
Rotrou next married Matilda Of ENGLAND 1750,1756 in 1103.1920 Matilda was born in 1086 in England 1756 and died on 25 November 1120 in Drowned In Wreck Of The White Ship Along With Prince William 1750,1756 at age 34.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779435 i. Mathilde (Maud) Du PERCHE (born in 1105 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France - died in 1143)
ii. Philippa Du PERCHE was born about 1115 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France.
32177558871. Matilda Of ENGLAND,415,670,1750,1756 daughter of Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND and Edith, was born in 1086 in England 1756 and died on 25 November 1120 in Drowned In Wreck Of The White Ship Along With Prince William 1750,1756 at age 34.
General Notes: (1) MAUD, whose mother was Edith, of whom nothing is known (b). She m. in 1103, Rotrou, COUNT of Perche, styled the Great, s. and h. of Geoffrey, Count of Perche, by Beatrice, da. of Hilduin, Count of Montdidier and (jure uxoris) Count of Roucy. Rotrou had gone on the 1st Crusade in 1096. In 1105 and 1114 he went to Spain, to help his cousin Alfonso I, King of Navarre and Aragon, against the Moors. In 1114 he assisted Henry I at the siege of Belleme, which he had long before claimed as his hereditary right. The King granted him the Belleme fiefs. He was present at the death of his royal father-in-law in 1135. In 1137 Stephen gave him Moulins; but in 1141 he made terms with Geoffrey Plantagenet. Maud was drowned in the wreck of the White Ship, 25 Nov. 1120, leaving 2 daughters. Rotrou m., 2ndly, before 1127, Hawise, da. of Walter de Salisbury, and sister of Patrick, 1st EARL OF Salisbury. He d. in 1144 at the siege of the Tower of Rouen (20 Jan. to 23 Apr.) by Geoffrey Plantagenet, and his widow m., as his 2nd wife, Robert, 1st Count of Dreux, 3rd s. of Louis VI (Le Gros), King of France; which Robert styled himself Count of Perche and lord of Belleme during the minority of his stepson.
(b) As her daughter married in 1103, she cannot be the daughter of Forn.
[Complete Peerage]
Matilda married Rotrou II Count Of PERCHE 1750,1756 in 1103.1920 Rotrou was born about 1080 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in April 1144 in Seige Of Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1750,2394 about age 64.
32177558880. Ramon Berenguer III Count Of BARCELONA,415,670,2395,2396 son of Berenguer Ramon II "Fratricide" Count BARCELONA and Maud (Matilda) De HAUTEVILLE Of Apulia, was born on 11 November 1082 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain,2395 died on 19 June 1131 in Barcelona, Spain 2395 at age 48, and was buried in Count Of Provence.
General Notes:
Ramon Berenguer III, byname RAMON BERENGUER THE GREAT, Catalan RAMON BERENGUER EL GRAN (b. 1082--d. 1131, Barcelona [Spain]), count of Barcelona during whose reign, (1097-1131) independent Catalonia reached the summit of its historical greatness, spreading its ships over the western Mediterranean and acquiring new lands from the southern Pyrennees to Provence. He was also known as Ramon Berenguer I of Provence.
The son of Ramon Berenguer II, he took the throne on the departure of his uncle, Berenguer Ramon II, on crusade and spent his early years fighting off Almoravid Muslims, whose armies approached the very walls of Barcelona. Thereafter, his expansionist campaigns began. In 1111 he conquered the county of Besalú and, by his marriage to Douce (or Dolça) of Provence in 1112, acquired the county of Provence. In the years 1114-15 he undertook, with the Pisans, a joint expedition against the Balearic Islands, liberating thousands of Christian slaves and destroying the Moors' piratical bases. Commerce thereafter flourished between Barcelona, Marseille, Genoa, and Pisa. The following year (1116) he sailed to Rome in an attempt to gain aid from the Italian states and to acquire a license from the Pope for his crusade in Spain, but the visit was largely unsuccessful. In 1117 he inherited the old county of Cerdaña in the Pyrenees.
On his death, Provence went to his younger son, Berenguer Ramon (as Berenguer Ramon I of Provence, reigning 1131-44); and the rest of the lands, the most important ones, went to the elder son, Ramon Berenguer IV. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Ramon married Marie De VIVAR El Cid's Daughter,2397 daughter of Unknown and Unknown. Marie was born about 1084 in Spain and died before 1110.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Ximene (Christina) Of BARCELONA was born about 1108 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain.
Ramon next married Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD 2395 before 1110. Dulce was born in 1095 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1128 at age 33. Another name for Dulce was Dulce Of GEVAUDAN.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Berenguela Of BARCELONA was born in 1110 in Barcelona, Aragon, Spain and died from 2 February 1148 to 1149 in Palencia, Leon, Spain 2166 at age 38.
16088779440 ii. Ramon Berenguer IV Marquis Of BARCELONA (born about 1113 in Barcelona, Spain - died on 6 August 1162 in Borgo San Dalmazzo, Piedmont, Italy)
32177558881. Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD,415,670,2395 daughter of Gerbert Vicomte De CARLAT Comte De Provence and Gerberge Of ARLES, was born in 1095 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1128 at age 33. Another name for Dulce was Dulce Of GEVAUDAN.
Dulce married Ramon Berenguer III Count Of BARCELONA 2395,2396 before 1110. Ramon was born on 11 November 1082 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain,2395 died on 19 June 1131 in Barcelona, Spain 2395 at age 48, and was buried in Count Of Provence.
32177558882. Ramiro II Sanchez "The Monk" King Of ARAGON,415,670,2398,2399 son of Sancho Ramirez (V Of Navarre) King Of ARAGON and Felice Of MONTDIDIER, was born about 1085 in Aragon, Spain and died on 16 August 1154 2398 about age 69.
Ramiro married Agnes De POITOU 2232,2399,2400 in 1134 in Spain. Agnes was born about 1101 of Poitou, Aquitaine, France. Another name for Agnes was Maud Of AQUITAINE.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779441 i. Petronila I Heiress Of ARAGON (born about 1135 in Huesca, Spain - died on 13 October 1173)
32177558883. Agnes De POITOU,415,670,2232,2399,2400 daughter of William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine and Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE, was born about 1101 of Poitou, Aquitaine, France. Another name for Agnes was Maud Of AQUITAINE.
Agnes married Ramiro II Sanchez "The Monk" King Of ARAGON 2398,2399 in 1134 in Spain. Ramiro was born about 1085 in Aragon, Spain and died on 16 August 1154 2398 about age 69.
32177558884. Raymond Of BURGUNDY Count Of Castile,415,670,1991,2165 son of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, was born about 1060 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France 1991 and died on 26 March 1107 in Grajal Do Campos, Leon, Spain 1991 about age 47.
Raymond married Urraca Princess Of Leon & CASTILE 1991,2401 in 1087 in Toledo, Spain. Urraca was born between 1077 and 1081 in Burgos, Castile, Spain 2402 and died from 8 March 1125 to 1126 in Saldana, Palencia, Spain 2403 about age 47. Another name for Urraca was Urraca Princess Of LEON & Castile.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558885. Urraca Princess Of Leon & CASTILE,415,670,1991,2401 daughter of Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of Leon & CASTILE and Constance Of BURGUNDY, was born between 1077 and 1081 in Burgos, Castile, Spain 2402 and died from 8 March 1125 to 1126 in Saldana, Palencia, Spain 2403 about age 47. Another name for Urraca was Urraca Princess Of LEON & Castile.
General Notes:
Urraca (b. 1077-81--d. March 8, 1126, Saldana, Castile [Spain]), queen of Leon and Castile from 1109 to 1126, daughter of Alfonso VI.
Urraca became her father's heiress when her brother, Sancho, was killed at Uclés (1108). She was the widow of Count Raymond of Burgundy, by whom she had had one son, Alfonso Ramírez (born 1104), the future Alfonso VII. To counterbalance--it was hoped--the dangers of a female succession during the Almoravid crisis, Urraca's marriage to her second cousin, Alfonso I of Aragon, was arranged (1109). This marriage, instead of producing political stability in Urraca's kingdom, led to years of anarchy. Urraca and her husband, according to the marriage settlement, became corulers in each other's lands, and Alfonso thereupon put Aragonese garrisons into many Leonese and Castilian cities. The notion of an Aragonese-Castilian political union was, however, premature, and although Urraca's municipalities tended to accept the Aragonese king, the magnates were hostile. Civil war broke out and continued for years, many supporting the claims of the child Alfonso Ramírez to the throne. Matters were further complicated by the temperamental incompatibility of Urraca and her husband, who soon quarreled. Urraca was tenacious of her right as proprietary queen and had not learnt chastity in the polygamous household of her father. Husband and wife quarrelled with the brutality of the age, and came to open war. Alphonso had the support of one section of the nobles who found their account in the confusion. Being a much better soldier than any of his opponents he gained victories at Sepúlveda and Fuente de la Culebra, but his only trustworthy supporters were his Aragonese who were not numerous enough to keep down Castile and Leon. Pope Paschal II, moreover, declared their marriage canonically invalid. They finally separated in 1114, though the Aragonese king continued for some years thereafter to keep his garrisons in Castile and to use the royal title.
Struggles also continued between nobles and municipalities, between rival bands of magnates, between the archbishops of Santiago and Toledo, and between the former, the bishop Diego Gelmírez, and Urraca herself. Alfonso Ramírez was crowned by Gelmírez in 1111, and his reign in Galicia began effectively -- despite Urraca's intermittent but active opposition--in 1116. Urraca's death in 1126 ended a disastrous episode in the medieval political history of Christian Spain. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Urraca married Raymond Of BURGUNDY Count Of Castile 1991,2165 in 1087 in Toledo, Spain. Raymond was born about 1060 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France 1991 and died on 26 March 1107 in Grajal Do Campos, Leon, Spain 1991 about age 47.
Urraca next married Alfonso I King Of ARAGON 2404 in 1109.2402 Alfonso was born about 1073 in Aragon, Spain 2404 and died in September 1134 in Aragon, Spain 2404 about age 61.
32177558886. Vladislas II King Of POLAND,415,670,2405 son of Boleslas III "The Crooked" King Of POLAND and Zbyslava Of KIEV, was born in 1105 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 30 May 1159 2405 at age 54. Another name for Vladislas was King Ladislaus the Exile POLAND.
General Notes:
Duke Wladislaw II Wygnaniec (the Exiled) was the eldest son of Boleslaw III. After his father's death, Wladislaw became High-Duke of Poland. He controlled the provinces of Cracow and Gniezno, and also his hereditary province of Silesia. He sought foreign allies in his efforts to reunify the country. In 1146, he won the support of the emperor Conrad III and turned against his brothers, but was defeated and exiled. In 1157, he supported the emperor Frederick Barbarossa's expedition against Poland, but he never recovered the throne of the High Duke. He died in Germany in 1159. Silesia was divided among his descendants and successors (up to 17 duchies), until they died out in 1675. 2406
Vladislas married Agnes Margravine Of AUSTRIA 2405 in 1127. Agnes was born about 1111 in Vienna, Austria 2405 and died from 25 January 1156 to 1157 2405 about age 45. Another name for Agnes was Ann Von BABENBERG.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Boleslaw I "The Tall" Prince Of SILESIA was born after 1129 in Wroclaw, Poland and died on 8 December 1201.
16088779443 ii. Richilde Of POLAND (born in 1131 in Wroclaw, Poland - died on 16 June 1175)
iii. Mieszko I Prince Of Upper SILESIA was born about 1145 in Silesia, Germany and died on 16 May 1211 about age 66.
32177558887. Agnes Margravine Of AUSTRIA,415,670,2405 daughter of Leopold III "Saint" Margrave Of AUSTRIA Duke Of Austria and Crusader Agnes, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 1111 in Vienna, Austria 2405 and died from 25 January 1156 to 1157 2405 about age 45. Another name for Agnes was Ann Von BABENBERG.
Agnes married Vladislas II King Of POLAND 2405 in 1127. Vladislas was born in 1105 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 30 May 1159 2405 at age 54. Another name for Vladislas was King Ladislaus the Exile POLAND.
32177558888. Guillaume II Comte De SABRAN,415,670 son of Rostaign III Comte De SABRAN and Constance AMIC, was born about 1110 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died about 1199 about age 89.
Guillaume married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779444 i. Rostaign IV Comte De SABRAN (born about 1133 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France - died on 16 February 1207-1208)
32177558890. Rainon I DECAEN Seigneur Du Caylar,415,670,2173 son of Raymond II DECAEN Seigneur D'uzes & Posquieres and Marie D' UZES, was born about 1110 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died after 1156 in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173. Another name for Rainon was Raines De CAILAR.
Rainon married Beatrix Du CAYLAR.2173 Beatrix was born about 1115 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France. Another name for Beatrix was Beatrix De UZES.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779445 i. Rose Du CAILAR (born about 1140 in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in 1206)
32177558891. Beatrix Du CAYLAR,415,670,2173 daughter of Bremond D' UZES and Rose, was born about 1115 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France. Another name for Beatrix was Beatrix De UZES.
Beatrix married Rainon I DECAEN Seigneur Du Caylar.2173 Rainon was born about 1110 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died after 1156 in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173. Another name for Rainon was Raines De CAILAR.
32177558892. Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER,415,670,1541 son of Guillaume Count Of FORCALQUIER and Gersende D' ALBON, was born about 1109 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1149 1844 about age 40.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1104. 2407
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1120. 1844
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1150. 1541
Bertrand married Josceranne De FLOTTE.1541 Josceranne was born about 1110 in Flotte, Charente-Maritime, France.1844 Another name for Josceranne was Josserande De RAVEL.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779446 i. Guillaume VI Comte De FORCALQUIER (born in 1130 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died in December 1208)
32177558893. Josceranne De FLOTTE,415,670,1541 daughter of Arnaud De FLOTTE and Adelaise De COMPS, was born about 1110 in Flotte, Charente-Maritime, France.1844 Another name for Josceranne was Josserande De RAVEL.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1106. 2407
Josceranne married Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER.1541 Bertrand was born about 1109 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1149 1844 about age 40.
32177558894. Raimond TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Caracassone,415,505,670,2175,2408 son of Bernard-Aton TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Carcassonne and Cecilia De PROVENCE, was born in 1098 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died on 15 October 1167 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France 2408 at age 69.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.
9. Raimond Trencavel I, d. testate, 1167, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Agde & Albi, ? (1) Adalaida; ? (2) Saura; issue:
.... (by 1) Cecilia ? Roger Bernard, c Foix (ES 3:145N-146)
.... (by 2) Adelaida ? Sicard, vc Lautrec
.... Roger V, d. 1194, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Albi, Béziers, who follows.
.... Raimond Trencavel II, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Albi.
.... Beatrix, ? Raimond VI, c Toulouse (ES 3:764).
Note: The lineage I am following has Adelaide as a daughter by the 2nd wife, and m. to Guillaume de Forcalquier.
Note: I keep running into Raimond marrying 1stly Adelaide, who is his niece. I am certainly doubtful, but then these Frenchmen around Carcassonne were heretics about this time.
Raimond married Adelaida (Adelaide) De BEZIERS,2408 daughter of Unknown and Matalina (Mantilne\Metheline) TRENCAVEL, in 1st Wife.2408 Adelaida was born about 1105 in Beziers, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1134.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Cecily TRENCAVEL was born about 1132 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died after 1188.
Raimond next married Saura 2408 before 1134 in 2ND Wife.2408 Saura was born about 1118 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.
Children from this marriage were:
16088779447 i. Adelaide TRENCAVEL (born about 1135 in Beziers, Narbonne, Languedoc, France)
ii. Beatrix TRENCAVEL was born about 1155 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.
32177558895. Saura 415,505,670,2408 was born about 1118 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.
Saura married Raimond TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Caracassone 2175,2408 before 1134 in 2ND Wife.2408 Raimond was born in 1098 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died on 15 October 1167 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France 2408 at age 69.
32177558896. Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY,415,670,1524,1993,2375 son of Amadeo II De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY and Johanna De GENEVA, was born about 1062 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 18 September 1103 2375 about age 41. Another name for Humbert was Humbert II Comte De MARIENNE & Savoy.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 17 October 1133. 1993
Humbert married Gisela Of BURGUNDY 1994,2376,2377 in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375 Gisela was born about 1073 in Bourgogne, France and died after 1133 1993,1994.
32177558897. Gisela Of BURGUNDY,415,670,1994,2376,2377 daughter of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, was born about 1073 in Bourgogne, France and died after 1133 1993,1994.
Gisela married in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375
Gisela married Rainier III Marquis Of MONTFERRAT 1984 after 1103 in 2ND Husband.1994 Rainier was born about 1075 in Montferrat, Italy and died before 1167 1994.
Gisela next married Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY 1524,1993,2375 in 1090 in 1st Husband.2375 Humbert was born about 1062 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 18 September 1103 2375 about age 41. Another name for Humbert was Humbert II Comte De MARIENNE & Savoy.
32177558898. Guigues III Comte D' ALBON,415,670,2176,2409 son of Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON and Petronell De ANNONAY, was born between 1050 and 1060 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 21 December 1125 2409,2410 about age 75.
General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, does no mention any background for his wife Mathilda, nor any prior marriage, which Todd Farmerier gives for her. Leo's marriage date of 1106 or 1110 seems a little late; the dates of the children would seem to make the marriage soon after the death of Mathilda's first husband. Even though Gersende is supposedly a daughter of Mathilda as well, there is no way that she could have been born as late as 1101, so I am making her a daughter of Guigues' first wife.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Between 1132 and 1133. 2176
Guigues married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife.2409 Unknown was born about 1070 in France and died before 1101.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Gersende D' ALBON was born about 1093 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.
Guigues next married Matilda Of SICILY 2176,2409 after 1101 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2247 Matilda was born about 1077 in Sicily, Italy and died after 1130 2409. Another name for Matilda was Mathilda De HAUTEVILLE Of Sicily.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd wife, Between 1106 and 1110. 2409
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1106 and 1110. 2409 2nd wife
Children from this marriage were:
i. Guigues IV Comte D' ALBON Dauphin Viennois was born about 1103 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 28 June 1142 in La Buissiere, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France (In Battle) 2411 about age 39.
16088779449 ii. Mathilda D' ALBON (born about 1107 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in January 1144-1145)
32177558899. Matilda Of SICILY,415,670,2176,2409 daughter of Roger I De Hauteville Count Of SICILY and Erembourge (Eremberga) De MORTAIN, was born about 1077 in Sicily, Italy and died after 1130 2409. Another name for Matilda was Mathilda De HAUTEVILLE Of Sicily.
General Notes: Mathilda was probably daughter of Roger of Italy or of Edgar the Atheling.
Matilda married Conrad, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,2247 son of Henry IV Of Germany, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Bertha Margravine Of TURIN, in 1st Husband.2247 Conrad, was born on 12 February 1074 in Bavaria, Germany 1447 and died on 27 July 1101 in Florence, Tuscany, Italy 1447 at age 27.
Matilda next married Guigues III Comte D' ALBON 2176,2409 after 1101 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2247 Guigues was born between 1050 and 1060 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 21 December 1125 2409,2410 about age 75.
32177558900. William IV Comte De MACON & Auxonne,415,670,1986,2412 son of Stephen (Etienne) "Tete Hardi" Comte De MACON and Beatrice De LORRAINE, was born after 1090 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2412 and died on 27 September 1155 in Auxonne, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France 1986,2412. Another name for William was Guillaume IV Comte De Macon & AUXONNE.
William married Poncia (Ponce\Poncette) De TRAVES 1986,2413,2414 before 1119 in 2ND Husband.2413 Poncia was born about 1090 in Traves, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France 1986 and died after 1155 1986.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Etienne (Stephen) II Comte D' AUXONNE was born about 1120 in Auxonne, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died in April 1173 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1986 about age 53. Another name for Etienne was Etienne (Stephen) II Comte D' AUXERRE.
32177558901. Poncia (Ponce\Poncette) De TRAVES,415,670,1986,2413,2414 daughter of Thibault (Theobald) Seigneur De TRAVES and Alice, was born about 1090 in Traves, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France 1986 and died after 1155 1986.
Poncia married Thiebaut I De ROUGEMONT 2415 in 1st Husband.2413 Thiebaut was born about 1080 in Rougemont, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France and died after 15 April 1107 2415.
Poncia next married William IV Comte De MACON & Auxonne 1986,2412 before 1119 in 2ND Husband.2413 William was born after 1090 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2412 and died on 27 September 1155 in Auxonne, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France 1986,2412. Another name for William was Guillaume IV Comte De Macon & AUXONNE.
32177558902. Gautier III (Gaucher) Seigneur De SALINS,415,670,2416 son of Humbert III Seigneur De SALINS and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.
Gautier married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779451 i. Guyonne (Guigonne\Maurette) De SALINS (born about 1140 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died after 1200)
32177558904. Aimon I Count Of GENEVA,415,670,1849,1850,2417 son of Gerald II Count Of GENEVA and Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY, was born about 1070 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 1850 and died before 1128 1850,2417.
General Notes: Aimon I of Geneva (by the 2nd wife), b. c 1050, d. c 1125/8, Count of Geneva 1091; m. Ida of Glane, daughter of Peter, Count of Glane. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: AR has Aimon born about 1050, the son of Gerald (combining I & II), by Thietburga, the widow of Louis of Faucigny. Turton has Louis d. 1160, which would force Aimon's birth date to be after 1160. Turton also has the order of Thietburga/Tetberge's marriages reversed, but I am following AR on that.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1050. 2417
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, After 1060. 1849
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1130. 1849
Aimon married Ida Of GLANE 1850.,2417 Ida was born about 1075 in Villars-Sur-Glane, Fribourg, Switzerland.1850 Another name for Ida was Itha De FAUCIGNY.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779452 i. Amadeus I (Amadeo) Count Of GENEVA (born in 1100 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died on 26 June 1178)
32177558905. Ida Of GLANE,415,670,1850,2417 daughter of Peter (Pierre) Count Of GLANE and Unknown, was born about 1075 in Villars-Sur-Glane, Fribourg, Switzerland.1850 Another name for Ida was Itha De FAUCIGNY.
General Notes:
Turton has Aimon's wife as Itta de Faucigny, daughter of Louis Seigneur de Faucigny, while AR & Michel Dourneau have his wife as Ida de Glane.
Note: James Dow Allen posted a pedigree to SGM, 18 Dec 2000, which showed Louis de Faucigny marrying either his "half-sister Ida de Faucigny" or "Ida dau. of Pierre Count of Glane". Todd Farmerie critiqued his pedigree but made no mention of that part of it. So who knows?
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The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
ID: I03991 Ida of Glane
ALIA: Itha de /Faucigny/
Note: Turton has Aimon's wife as Itta de Faucigny, daughter of Louis Seigneur de Faucigny.
FWIW:
father possibly Peter of Glane but more probably Louis I Lord of Faucigny [Ref: Moriarty p107]
father NOT Peter Count of Glane [Ref: Moriarty p261]
My notes indicate that ES XI:158 also identifies her as Ita de Faucigny d. before 1090.
Interestingly, Paul McBride at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/rfc/gw126.htm#I9683
(see: Tietburge of Savoy) citing Turton & RfC makes Ita dau of Louis de Faucigny Seigneur de Faucigny and Tietburge of Savoy which would mean that Ita married her half brother!! Not very likely in my opinion. Perhaps a query to SGM/Gen-Medieval would get a definitive answer.
Regards,
Curt
Ida married Aimon I Count Of GENEVA 1849,1850.,2417 Aimon was born about 1070 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 1850 and died before 1128 1850,2417.
32177558906. Pons II (Hugues) Seigneur De CUISEAUX,415,670,1849,1850 son of Pons I Seigneur De CUISEAUX and Unknown, was born about 1080 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.1850 Another name for Pons was Pons I CUSEAU.
Pons married Laura De SENECY. Laura was born in 1088 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779453 i. Matilda De CUISEAUX (born about 1110 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died before 2 July 1137)
32177558907. Laura De SENECY 415,670 was born in 1088 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.
Laura married Pons II (Hugues) Seigneur De CUISEAUX 1849.,1850 Pons was born about 1080 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.1850 Another name for Pons was Pons I CUSEAU.
32177558908. Rodolphe (Rudolph) Count Of FAUCIGNY,415,670,1850 son of William "The White" Count Of FAUCIGNY and Letice (Letitia), was born about 1095 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1131 1850 about age 36.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1078.
Rodolphe married Constance De BEAUVOIR.1850 Constance was born about 1100 in Beauvoir, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.1850
The child from this marriage was:
16088779454 i. Aimon I Comte De FAUCIGNY (born about 1125 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1192)
32177558909. Constance De BEAUVOIR,415,670,1850 daughter of Geoffroy Seigneur De BEAUVOIR and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Beauvoir, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.1850
Constance married Rodolphe (Rudolph) Count Of FAUCIGNY.1850 Rodolphe was born about 1095 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1131 1850 about age 36.
32177559552. Robert I De ESTOUTEVILLE Lord Of Cottingham,415,583,2418 son of Robert D' ESTOUTEVILLE Gov - Ambrieres Castle and Jeanne De TALBOT, was born about 1040 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2419 and died after 1106 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England 583. Another name for Robert was Robert I De STUTEVILLE Lord Of Cottingham.
General Notes: Robert ("Grandboelle") d'Estouteville, Sire d'Estouteville, Normandy, a companion of William I (The Conqueror). [Burke's Peerage]
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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 7 Sep 2002, by Rosie Bevan:
From: "Rosie Bevan" ([email protected])
Subject: Stuteville of Cottingham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-07 03:43:36 PST
The posts on the Stutevilles have generated a few private queries about the main English line. So for those interested, here is what is known of the Stutevilles of Cottingham, derived mainly from C.T.Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters, v.9.
In 1276 and 1282 surveys compiled of the Cottingham estate revealed that it consisted of a capital messuage of a manor, with a double ditch around the court, surrounded by a wall, with a garden, dovecote, fishery, 1455 acres of arable land, 433 acres of meadow, 364 acres of pastures, a park with a circuit of 4 leagues, in which the game were estimated at 500 wild beasts, four woods, three water mills and one wind mill. In addition there were 74 free tenants paying rent, 92 bondsmen and 137 cottars. Three advowsons belonged to the manor - the church of Cottingham worth 200 marcs p.a, the church of Roule worth 100 marcs and the church of Etton at 50 marcs p.a. The total value per annum of the estate was estimated at L435 2s 3d.
1. ROBERT I de Stuteville of Etoutteville, Seine-Maritime, arr. Yvetot, cant. Yerville and Cottingham, Yorks. He was amongst those granted the lands forfeited by Hugh fitz Baldric in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire soon after 1087 but lost them owing to his support of Robert Curthose, and was captured at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 after which he was condemned to be imprisoned for life. The lands were subsequently granted to Nigel d'Aubigny from whom they descended to Roger de Mowbray, but partially recovered by Robert I's grandson, Robert III de Stuteville. He was a benefactor of Durham and an entry in the Liber Vitae makes mention of himself, his wife Beatrice (whose parentage is unknown) and sons Robert, Gradulf and William. In a claim made by his great grandson William, he was described as Robert Grandboeuf. He was also father of Emma, second wife of Robert fitz Hugh de Grandmesnil whose six children are named in the Durham Liber Vitae. Benefactor of St Mary's abbey, York, Durham priory and the church at Lincoln.
Issue:
- Robert II. See below
- Gradulf
- William
- Emma. Married to Robert Grandmesnil.
[Sources: Keats-Rohan, 'Domesday Descendants'. p.723 ; Clay, 'Early Yorkshire Charters' v.8, p.1-2 ; Sanders, 'English Baronies: a study of their origin and descent 1086-1327', p.37]
Robert married Blanche De RIEUX 2418 in 1st Wife. Blanche was born about 1045 in Rieux, Oise, Picardy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
Robert next married Beatrix 583,2420 before 1079 in 2ND Wife. Beatrix was born about 1055.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Emma D' ESTOUTEVILLE was born about 1080 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Emma was Emma De STUTEVILLE.
32177559553. Blanche De RIEUX,415,2418 daughter of Quesnoc De RIEUX and Unknown, was born about 1045 in Rieux, Oise, Picardy, France.
Blanche married Robert I De ESTOUTEVILLE Lord Of Cottingham 583,2418 in 1st Wife. Robert was born about 1040 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2419 and died after 1106 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England 583. Another name for Robert was Robert I De STUTEVILLE Lord Of Cottingham.
32177559554. Hugh FITZBALDRIC Saxon Thane, Of Cowsby 415 was born about 1045 in Cowsby, Thirsk, North Riding Yorkshire, England.
General Notes: Doomesday Lord Tennant in Yorkshire
Hugh married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Miss FITZHUGH was born about 1075 in Cowsby, Thirsk, North Riding Yorkshire, England.
16088779777 ii. Erneberga FITZBALDRIC (born about 1080 in Cowsby, Thirsk, North Riding Yorkshire, England)
32177559556. Ralph MEURDACH Of Deddington, Sir,415 son of Richard FITZMEURDACH Sir and Unknown, was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died in Deddington, Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England.
Ralph married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Geoffrey MURDAC Of Beaudesert, Sir was born about 1088 in Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England.
16088779778 ii. Brother Of Geoffrey MURDAC Of Lazenby (born about 1090 in Lazenby, Cumberland, England)
iii. Ralph MURDAC Of Broughton was born about 1111 in Broughton Poggs, Witney, Oxfordshire, England.
32177559776. Richard Comte D' EVREUX,415,1449,2279 son of Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen and Havlive De ROUEN, was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.
Richard married.
Richard married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 990 in France.
Richard next married Godheut 1449,2279 after 1038 in 2ND Husband 1449.,2279 Godheut was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
32177559777. Unknown First WIFE 415 was born about 990 in France.
Unknown married Richard Comte D' EVREUX 1449.,2279 Richard was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.
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