Ancestors of Caden Michael Norquist

Ancestors of Caden Michael Norquist


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514839164904. Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV,415,3019 son of Igor I Duke Of KIEV and St. Olga, was born about 920 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 973 in Berestova, Kiev, Ukraine 3019 about age 53. Another name for Svatislav was Svyatoslav I Igor'yevich.2842

General Notes:
He was the son of Igor I Rurikovich, prince of Kyiv and Olga, princess from Pskov. He married Predslava. Their sons were Yaropolk, prince of Kyiv; Oleg, prince of the Drevlyani. He had a mistress, Malysha, with whom he had son, Vladimir I, prince of Kyiv.

With his mother controling Kyiv, Svyatoslav began his campaigns to expand Rus control over a wider tribute area, to defeat the rival Khazars and even to attack the Byzantines. His first efforts were directed along the Oka River in the Vyatichian lands. Learning that this tribe paid tribute to the Khazars, he then mounted a remarkable campaign clear to the Crimea, Volga and Kuban regions, defeating the Khazars in battle in 965 and sacking their cities. But then he sought bigger prizes in the Balkans. In 967 he campaigned to the Danube to attack the Bulgarians. The Chronicle notes that he captured 80 towns along the Danube and established residence at Peryeaslavets. The following year, while he was campaigning in the Balkans the Pecheneg attacked and besieged Kyiv. Olga defended the city and called for reenforcments from the north. The Pecheneg were bought off before Svyatoslav returned. Then he launched a campaign to drive them back into the Steppe. At that point he told his mother that he intended to move to Peryeaslavets. Apparently he considered it would be a better base of operations against Byzantium. She remonstrated and he delayed. Svyatoslav waited until the death of his mother, Olga, in 969, to move to Pereyaslavets. He entrusted Kiev to his son Yaropolk and to his other son Oleg gave the conquered lands of the Drevliane which had been knuckled under by Olga in punishment for her slain husband. The teenage brothers were easily manipulated by the Warlord, Svenel'd, once the trusted druzhina captain of Prince Igor' who sought revenge on Oleg for murdering his son Lyuta when the lad had ventured onto the princes' land while hunting. He pitted one against the other and convinced Yaropolk to mount a campaign against Oleg and unite the Drevliane lands with that of Kiev. Fleeing his brother, Oleg was killed when he fell from the draw bridge at the gates of Ovruch. The intrigues continued resulting in Yaropolk's demise due to the third brother Vladimir's ascent to power. Vladimir had been sent with his uncle to be the prince at Novgorod. This enabled him to escape Yaropolk and obtain his own Varangian troops.

But Svyatoslav's life at Peryeaslavets turned out badly. On his next campaign in the Balkans he found the Byzantines much reenforced and the Bulgarians also. The Bulgarians had retaken Pereyaslavets, so Svyatoslav had to besiege it. After initial setbacks Svyatoslav stormed the city. From there he marched against the Byzantines. The Emperor, John Tsimiskes, marched against him. They then signed a treaty in 971 in which Svyatoslav promised also not to attack Crimea or Bulgaria. On his return journey to Kyiv by boat up the Dnieper, Svyatoslav found that the Pecheneg controled the passage of the rapids. He waited over the winter and then, against good advice, tried to continue in 972. The Pecheneg ambushed him, killing him and most of his druzhina. Kurya, the Pecheneg ruler made a drinking cup out of Svyatoslav's skull. 2842

Svatislav married Maloucha Of LUBECH,3019 daughter of Malk Of LUBECH and Unknown. Maloucha was born about 935 in Kiev, Ukraine.

The child from this marriage was:

257419582452       i.  St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV (born about 955 in Kiev, Ukraine - died on 15 July 1015 in Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine)


514839164905. Maloucha Of LUBECH,415,3019 daughter of Malk Of LUBECH and Unknown, was born about 935 in Kiev, Ukraine.

Maloucha married Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV,3019 son of Igor I Duke Of KIEV and St. Olga. Svatislav was born about 920 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 973 in Berestova, Kiev, Ukraine 3019 about age 53. Another name for Svatislav was Svyatoslav I Igor'yevich.2842

514839164906. Ragnvald OLAFSSON Of West Gotland & Polotsk,415,2859 son of Olaf HARALDSSON and Unknown, was born about 925 in Oslo, Norway and died in 970 in Polotsk, Byelorussia (Killed) 2859 about age 45. Another name for Ragnvald was Rogvolod I Prince Of POLOTSK.

Ragnvald married Ingelborge. Ingelborge was born about 930 in Oslo, Norway.

The child from this marriage was:

257419582453       i.  Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK (born about 958 in Polotsk, Byelorussia - died in 1000 in (As A Nun Named Anastasia))


514839164907. Ingelborge 415 was born about 930 in Oslo, Norway.

Ingelborge married Ragnvald OLAFSSON Of West Gotland & Polotsk,2859 son of Olaf HARALDSSON and Unknown. Ragnvald was born about 925 in Oslo, Norway and died in 970 in Polotsk, Byelorussia (Killed) 2859 about age 45. Another name for Ragnvald was Rogvolod I Prince Of POLOTSK.

514839164908. Erik IV "Victorious" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,415,2921,3020,3021,3022,3023 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg, was born about 930 in Sweden 3021,3024,3025 and died from 994 to 995 in Uppsala, Sweden 2649,3021 about age 64. Other names for Erik were Erik VI Bjornsson Sejrsael, and Erik BJORNSSON King Of Sweden.

General Notes:
Met his nephew Styrbioern on the battlefield at the Fyrisvols and fought a battle which was said to have lasted for 3 days. Syrbiorern fell and with him the larger part of his army. Eric was thereafter called "the Victorious". After the battle the king ascended a high mound, promising a great compensation to the one who could compose a song in praise of the victory. The Icelander Thorvald Hialte, who never previously or afterward appeared as a scald, came forth and recited two strophes which are preserved, receiving a costly armlet of gold as reward. This battle -- next to the one at Brovols, the most famous in the heathen North -- was fought in 988. [WBH - Sweden]

King Eric invaded Denmark and took possession of the country, making the son of Harald Bluetooth an exile. In Denmark Eric was baptized, the first Swedish king about whom this is said. But upon his return to Sweden he also returned to the old gods. Eric Segersaell was king of Sweden and Denmark until his death in 994. Sigrid Storrada was his first consort. They were separated. [WBH - Sweden]

Several runic stones from Skane, the Danish part of Sweden, commemorate men who did not flee at Uppsala, but fought so long as they held weapon in hand, and refer to the battle with his nephew Styrbjorn Starki, where Eric earned his nickname,
the Victorious'. [A History of the Vikings, p. 128]

Eric VIII Segersall (Victorious), King of Sweden c. 950, King of Denmark 987; b.c. 987, son of Bjorn a Haugi, King of Sweden; m. Sigrid Storrada; father of Olaf III Skotkonung, King of Sweden. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 3333]

King of Sweden; son of Bjorn the Old (a Haugi), king of Uppsala; m. Sigrid Storrada; father of Olaf III Skottkonung, king of Sweden. [WFT Vol 5 Ped 650]

Erik Bjornsson - son of Bjorn; m. Gunhild(?) and was father of Olaf Ericsson III who m. Edla and Estrid. [Leo Akershoek <[email protected]]

Erik VI Segersall (victorious), b. latest 945, d. 994/5, the first commonly acknowledged King of Sweden. Father not known, however, most likely not Emund, the previous king. He is supposed to have founded Sigtuna in the 970s; best know for his victory over a horde of Vikings outside Uppsala c. 985. He is then said to have thrown Sven I of Denmark from his throne, and thus ruled in the south parts of Sweden, and then ruled in Denmark until his death. He possibly converted to Christianity c. 990 for awhile. He is also believed to have been married for awhile to Sigrid Storrada, was for certain m. to Gunhild of Poland, dau. of Mieszko of Poland and sister of Boleslav I, the first king of Poland. [Yvonne Korn <[email protected]]

Sven Forkbeard is said to have suffered divine punishment for his rebellion by being taken captive by his father's friends in Jumne in Pomerania and ransomed at a high price by the Danes, and then being driven from his ill-gotten kingdom by the Swedish king Erik the Victorious, and forced to spend 14 years in exile in Scotland, among other places, having been denied refuge in England. [The Oxford Illustrated History of the Vikings, p. 165, 167]

First King of all Sweden who reigned from 970-994. He was on many warring expeditions and increased the dominion of the Swedes and defended it valiantly. He was easy to approach for advice.

Erik married Oda HAKONSDOTTIR 2864 after 985 in 2ND Wife.2864 Oda was born about 960 in Norway.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Holmfrid ERIKSDOTTIR was born about 987 in Sweden.

Erik next married Gunnhild Of POLAND 2303,3026 after 990 in 3rd Wife.3020 Gunnhild was born about 967 in Poznan, Poland and died in 1014 in Denmark about age 47. Another name for Gunnhild was Gunnhild Von POLEN.

Erik next married Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA,2649,2864 daughter of Skoglar TOSTI and Unknown, in 1st Wife - Divorced After 985.2864 Sigrid was born about 952 in Vastergotland, Sweden 3027 and died from after 2 February 1013 to 1014. Another name for Sigrid was Sigrid TOSTE.

The child from this marriage was:

257419582454       i.  Olaf III Eriksson King Of SWEDEN (born about 969 in Sweden - died about 1022)


514839164909. Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA,415,2649,2864 daughter of Skoglar TOSTI and Unknown, was born about 952 in Vastergotland, Sweden 3027 and died from after 2 February 1013 to 1014. Another name for Sigrid was Sigrid TOSTE.

General Notes: c995-Killed Harald "The Greenlander" King of Norway. [Ancestral Roots]

According to Ancestral Roots, Sigrid is not the daughter of the King of Poland. That was Gunnhild von Polen, who survived Erik and married Sven Forkbeard, following in Sigrid's footsteps, but Sigrid "divorced" (Viking style) Erik.

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Erik the Victorious was married several times. One of his wives is said to have been Sigrid Storrada ("great ruler'), the daughter of Skoglar Toste, a famous Viking from Vastergotland. According to Snorri, she was mother of Erik's son Olof.

About 985, according to the ancient tales, Erik fought a great battle against his still-rebellious nephew Stybjorn on the great plains of Fyrisvall, near Uppsala. . . .

Erik found it hard to get along with his wife Sigrid, due to her imperious temperament. After a while they went their separate ways. She retired to her estates in Vastergotland, where we are told that she ruled in great splendor and refused many suitors who were hungry for both her beauty and her lands. Among others, she is said to have refused Harald Granske of Norway and King Vifavald of Russia (a petty king of whom we know nothing further). Sigrid has been called "the Haughty" and she seems to have truly earned this surname. [Royal Families of Medieval Scandinavia, Flanders, & Kiev]

Note: From the above I assume that Sigrid "divorced" Erik a short while after the battle in 985.

Sigrid married Sven (Sweyn) "Forkbeard" King Denmark & ENGLAND 3028,3029 after 985 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Sven was born about 948 in Denmark and died from 3 February 1013 to 1014 in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England 3030 about age 65. Another name for Sven was Sweyn "Forkbeard" King Of DENMARK.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Thyra SVENDSDOTTIR was born about 988 in Denmark.

                  ii.  Astrid (Margaret) Princess Of DENMARK was born about 990 in Denmark and died about 1024 about age 34.

Sigrid next married Erik IV "Victorious" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,2921,3020,3021,3022,3023 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg, in 1st Wife - Divorced After 985.2864 Erik was born about 930 in Sweden 3021,3024,3025 and died from 994 to 995 in Uppsala, Sweden 2649,3021 about age 64. Other names for Erik were Erik VI Bjornsson Sejrsael, and Erik BJORNSSON King Of Sweden.

514839164910. Mieceslas Prince Of OBOTRITES,415 son of Mistui II OBOTRITES and Unknown, was born about 929 in Sweden and died in 999 about age 70.

Mieceslas married Sophia. Sophia was born about 941 in Sweden.

The child from this marriage was:

257419582455       i.  Astrid Of OBOTRITES (born in 979 in Sweden)


514839164911. Sophia 415 was born about 941 in Sweden.

Sophia married Mieceslas Prince Of OBOTRITES, son of Mistui II OBOTRITES and Unknown. Mieceslas was born about 929 in Sweden and died in 999 about age 70.

514839164912. Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2906,3031 son of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2906 died on 8 September 987 in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France 2547,2906,3032 about age 67, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Albert was Albert I The Pious, Count Of Vermandois And Abbe Of ST. QUINTIN.

Albert married Gerberga Of LORRAINE,1601,2906 daughter of Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, about 941 in , , , France. Gerberga was born about 921 in Lorraine, , France.2908

Children from this marriage were:

257419582456       i.  Herbert III Count Of VERMANDOIS (born about 955 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died about 1000 in France)

                  ii.  Gui De Vermandois Count Of SOISSONS was born about 957 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 13 June 989 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France.

Albert next married Gerberga, Princess Of FRANCE, daughter of Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame. Gerberga, was born about 937. Another name for Gerberga, was Gerberga Of LORRAINE.


514839164913. Gerberga Of LORRAINE,415,1601,1746,2906 daughter of Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born about 921 in Lorraine, , France.2908

Gerberga married Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS,1601,2906 son of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, about 941 in , , , France. Albert was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2906 died on 8 September 987 in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France 2547,2906,3032 about age 67, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Albert was Albert I The Pious, Count Of Vermandois And Abbe Of ST. QUINTIN.

514839164914. Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,415,1444,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 980. 2492

Alberic married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS 2069,2485,2489 in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

514839164915. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489

Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins 2069,2491,2492 in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY 2485,2486,2487 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

514839164920. Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS,415,2445,2879,2880,2881,2882 son of Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele D' ANJOU, was born about 952 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died between 1017 and 1024 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2879 about age 65. Another name for Walter was Gautier II Count Of VEXIN.

General Notes: Walter II, "The White", Count of Vexin, Valois, and Amiens; built the Castle of Crespy in Valois, founder of Monastery of St Arunulf, Valois, 1008; married Adela and died 1017-24. [Burke's Peerage]

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Gautier II Count of Valois. Count of Amiens, Valois, and the Vexin. [Alan B. Wilson]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1027. 1011

Walter married Adele De SENLIS,1011,2445,2879,2883 daughter of Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS and Unknown. Adele was born about 954 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

514839164921. Adele De SENLIS,415,1011,2445,2879,2883 daughter of Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS and Unknown, was born about 954 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Adele married Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS,2445,2879,2880,2881,2882 son of Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele D' ANJOU. Walter was born about 952 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died between 1017 and 1024 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2879 about age 65. Another name for Walter was Gautier II Count Of VEXIN.

514839164922. Hildouin (Gilduin) Comte De BRETEUIL,415,2889,3033 son of Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU and Hersende De MONTREUIL, was born in 970 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 18 May 1060 2889 at age 90, and was buried in St Vannes Monastery, Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France.

Hildouin married Emmeline De CHARTRES,3033,3034 daughter of Fouche I Vicomte De CHARTRES and Unknown. Emmeline was born in 974 in Chartres, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France. Another name for Emmeline was Emmeline De CHATEAUDUN.

Children from this marriage were:

257419582461       i.  Adele De BRETEUIL (born in 992 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France - died on 11 September 1051)

                  ii.  Eberhard (Evrard) I Comte De BRETEUIL was born about 1005 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died from 12 February 1061 to 1062 in Chartres, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France 3035 about age 56. Another name for Eberhard was Everard De PUISET.


514839164923. Emmeline De CHARTRES,3033,3034 daughter of Fouche I Vicomte De CHARTRES and Unknown, was born in 974 in Chartres, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France. Another name for Emmeline was Emmeline De CHATEAUDUN.

Emmeline married Hildouin (Gilduin) Comte De BRETEUIL,2889,3033 son of Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU and Hersende De MONTREUIL. Hildouin was born in 970 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 18 May 1060 2889 at age 90, and was buried in St Vannes Monastery, Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France.

514839164924. Nocher II Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE,3036 son of Nocher I Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE and Unknown, was born about 965 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died after 1019.

General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, only has the one wife (Adelis Comtesse de Soissons) for Nocher. Leo alos has only the one son Nocher III. The way I have the wives explains why the second son Renaud was Comte de Soissons (inherited from his mother), while Nocher III was Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.

Nocher married Adelaide D' ANJOU, daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, in 1st Wife. Adelaide was born about 968 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 999.

The child from this marriage was:

257419582462       i.  Nocher III Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE (born about 992 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France - died about 1040)

Nocher next married Adelise (Aelis) Comtesse De SOISSONS,3037 daughter of Gui De Vermandois Count Of SOISSONS and Unknown, before 999 in 2ND Wife. Adelise was born about 981 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in 1047 about age 66.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Renaud Count Of SOISSONS was born about 1000 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died in 1057 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France about age 57.


514839164925. Adelaide D' ANJOU,415 daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 968 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 999.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1047.

Adelaide married Nocher II Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE,3036 son of Nocher I Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Nocher was born about 965 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died after 1019.

514839287368. Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES,415,1444,1784,2593,2754 son of Wigeric De La Troesgau, Count Palatine Of AACHEN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 910 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 2754 and died on 18 October 943 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France 1784,2520,2754 about age 33. Other names for Gonzelon were Gozelin I, ARDENNERGAU, Gozelo Von ARDENNES, Gozelin, Graf Von BIDGAU, Gozelon, and Count Of VERDUN.

Gonzelon married Uda Von METZ 1784.,3038 Uda was born about 911 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 7 April 963 1784,2520,3038. Another name for Uda was Oda Of METZ.

Children from this marriage were:

257419643684       i.  Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp (born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France - died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France)

                  ii.  Henry, Count Of VERDUN.

                 iii.  Reginar was born living 943/65.

                  iv.  Gerberga Von BIDGAU died about 995. Another name for Gerberga was Gerberga De LORRAINE.

                   v.  Adalberto, Archbishop Of REIMS died in 989 2520.


514839287369. Uda Von METZ,415,1444,1784,3038 daughter of Gerhard I Count Von METZ and Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY, was born about 911 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 7 April 963 1784,2520,3038. Another name for Uda was Oda Of METZ.

Uda married Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES 1784,2593.,2754 Gonzelon was born about 910 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 2754 and died on 18 October 943 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France 1784,2520,2754 about age 33. Other names for Gonzelon were Gozelin I, ARDENNERGAU, Gozelo Von ARDENNES, Gozelin, Graf Von BIDGAU, Gozelon, and Count Of VERDUN.

514839287372. Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA,415,1444,2232,2400,3039 son of Anscar II Count Of Orcheret Marquis Of IVREA and Giselle, was born about 880 in Turin, Italy and died in 923 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy 3039 about age 43.

Adalbert married Gisele Of Fruili Princess Of ITALY 3039 about 900 in 1st Wife. Gisele was born about 885 in Fruili, Italy and died on 13 June 910 3039 about age 25. Other names for Gisele were Gisela Of FRIAUL, Gisela Di FRIULI, and Gisele Of FRUILI Princess Of Italy.

Children from this marriage were:

257419643686       i.  Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea (born about 919 in Italy - died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg)

                  ii.  Anskar, Duke Of SPOLETO AND CAMERINO.

Adalbert next married Ermengarde Di TUSCANY, daughter of Adalbert II "The Rich" Duke Di Lucca & TUSCANY and Bertha Princess Of LORRAINE Abbess Of Avenay, after 910 in 2ND Wife. Ermengarde was born about 898 in Lucca, Tuscany, Italy and died from 29 feb 0931 to 932 about age 33.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Anscar III Of Camerino & SPOLETO was born about 915 in Camerino, Umbria, Italy and died in 940 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy about age 25.


514839287373. Gisele Of Fruili Princess Of ITALY,415,1444,3039 daughter of Emperor Berengar I King Of Italy HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Bertila Of SPOLETTO, was born about 885 in Fruili, Italy and died on 13 June 910 3039 about age 25. Other names for Gisele were Gisela Of FRIAUL, Gisela Di FRIULI, and Gisele Of FRUILI Princess Of Italy.

Gisele married Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA 2232,2400,3039 about 900 in 1st Wife. Adalbert was born about 880 in Turin, Italy and died in 923 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy 3039 about age 43.

514839287374. Boso Of Arles, Margrave Of TUSCANY,415,1444,1601,1746,3040 son of Theobald I Count Of ARLES and Bertha Princess Of LORRAINE Abbess Of Avenay, was born in 885 in Tuscany, Italy 1447,3040,3041 and died in 936 in Beheaded 1447,3040,3041 at age 51. Other names for Boso were Boso, Count Of ARLES, Boso, Marchese Di TOSCANA, Boson D'arles, Marquis De TOSCANE, Bozon, and Marchio Di TUSCANY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Title: 926-931. 1447,3041

• Title: 913-936. 1447,3041

• Title: 911-931. 1447

Boso married Willa Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601,3040 in 912 in <Of, , Tuscany, Italy>.1447 Willa was born in 906 in Bourgogne, France and died in 936 at age 30. Other names for Willa were Willa D' ARLES, Willa II De BOURGOGNE, and Willa Of TUSCANY.

Children from this marriage were:

257419643687       i.  Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY (born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy - died after 974)

                  ii.  Bertha Of TUSCANY was born about 925 in Tuscany, Italy and died in 965 1447 about age 40.

Boso next married N. N. about 905.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Rotbald I D' ARLES was born about 907 and died about 950 about age 43. Other names for Rotbald were Rotbolde I, and Rotbaude De Venaissin Of AVIGNON.


514839287375. Willa Princess Of BURGUNDY,415,505,1444,1601,1746,3040 daughter of Rudolph I King Of BURGUNDY and Willa Of VIENNE, was born in 906 in Bourgogne, France and died in 936 at age 30. Other names for Willa were Willa D' ARLES, Willa II De BOURGOGNE, and Willa Of TUSCANY.

Willa married Boso Of Arles, Margrave Of TUSCANY 1601,3040 in 912 in <Of, , Tuscany, Italy>.1447 Boso was born in 885 in Tuscany, Italy 1447,3040,3041 and died in 936 in Beheaded 1447,3040,3041 at age 51. Other names for Boso were Boso, Count Of ARLES, Boso, Marchese Di TOSCANA, Boson D'arles, Marquis De TOSCANE, Bozon, and Marchio Di TUSCANY.

514839287392. Otto I Comte De Warcq & CHINY,3042 son of Arnold I Comte De CHINY and Mathilde Comtesse De CHINY, was born about 975 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died in 1013 3042 about age 38.

Otto married Ermengarde De NAMUR,3042 daughter of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE. Ermengarde was born about 978 in Namur, Belgium.

The child from this marriage was:

257419643696       i.  Louis I Comte De CHINY (born about 995 in Chiny, Luxemburg - died on 28 September 1025 in (Murdered))


514839287393. Ermengarde De NAMUR,415,3042 daughter of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 978 in Namur, Belgium.

Ermengarde married Otto I Comte De Warcq & CHINY,3042 son of Arnold I Comte De CHINY and Mathilde Comtesse De CHINY. Otto was born about 975 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died in 1013 3042 about age 38.

514839287396. Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp,415,1444,1447,1601,1746,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 son of Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES and Uda Von METZ, was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

Godefroy married Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,1601,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Mathilde was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

514839287397. Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,415,1601,1746,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother of Arnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife of Baldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died before his father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton & other early researchers.

Mathilde married Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS,1601,2711 son of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Baudouin was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

Mathilde next married Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp,1601,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 son of Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES and Uda Von METZ, in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Godefroy was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

514839302648. Alberic II Comte De DAMMARTIN,415,670,1120,2877 son of Alberic I Comte De DAMMARTIN Lord Of Norton and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1138 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 19 September 1200 in London, Middlesex, England 1120,2877 about age 62.

Alberic married Maud (Mathilde) Of CLERMONT,1120,3043 daughter of Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT and Clemence De BAR-LE-DUC. Maud was born about 1145 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in October 1200 in London, Middlesex, England 3044 about age 55. Another name for Maud was Mathilda De PONTHIEU.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Llywarch Ap TRAHAEARN was born about 1070 in Arwystli, Powys, Wales 1034 and died about 1129 in Wales 1034,1727 about age 59.

                  ii.  Juliane De DAMMARTIN was born about 1165 in Ashby, Leicestershire, England 3045 and died in 1238 about age 73.

                 iii.  Owain Ap TRAHAEARN was born in 1071 in Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales.

257419651324      iv.  Simon II De DAMMARTIN Count Of Aumale (born about 1172 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died on 21 September 1239 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France)

                   v.  Aelis De DAMMARTIN was born about 1175 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.

                  vi.  Agnes De DAMMARTIN was born about 1177 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.


514839302649. Maud (Mathilde) Of CLERMONT,415,670,1120,3043 daughter of Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT and Clemence De BAR-LE-DUC, was born about 1145 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in October 1200 in London, Middlesex, England 3044 about age 55. Another name for Maud was Mathilda De PONTHIEU.

Maud married Alberic II Comte De DAMMARTIN,1120,2877 son of Alberic I Comte De DAMMARTIN Lord Of Norton and Unknown First WIFE. Alberic was born about 1138 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 19 September 1200 in London, Middlesex, England 1120,2877 about age 62.

514839302650. William (Guillaume) III Count Of PONTHIEU,415,670,1119,1120 son of John (Jean) I Count Of PONTHIEU and Beatrice De ST. POL, was born about 1171 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 3046 and died on 4 October 1221 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France 1119,1120 about age 50.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1179. 1119,1120

William married Alais CAPET Princess Of France,1119,1120,1121 daughter of Louis VII "The Younger" King Of FRANCE King Of France and Constance Of CASTILE, on 20 August 1195 in Meudon, France 1119.,1120 Alais was born on 4 October 1160 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1121 and died on 18 July 1218 in Castile, Spain 1122 at age 57.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651325       i.  Marie Countess Of PONTHIEU (born on 17 April 1199 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died in September 1250 in Normandy, France)


514839302651. Alais CAPET Princess Of France,399,415,505,670,1119,1120,1121 daughter of Louis VII "The Younger" King Of FRANCE King Of France and Constance Of CASTILE, was born on 4 October 1160 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1121 and died on 18 July 1218 in Castile, Spain 1122 at age 57.

General Notes:
The child born when Queen Constance died. Betrothed to Richard Plantagenet when she was 9. [Eleanor of Aquitaine, p. 243]

Betrothed to King Richard the Lionheart of England, but he dumped her and married Princess Berengaria of Navarre. Sister of King Philip II. [Chronicle of the Royal Family, p. 50]

After Rosamond Clifford died, Henry II openly and shamelessly consorted with Alais, then 16, betrothed of his son Richard. Had at least one stillborn child by Henry. [Eleanor, p. 282, 307]

Dau. of Louis VII and Adele of Champagne; m. Guillaume III, Count Ponthieu; mother of Marie Jeanne Ponthieu who m. Simon II Dammartin. [Judy Martin]

Royal Ancestors of Some American Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 #308;

b.c. 1170, dau. of Louis VII, king of France, and Adelaide of Champagne; m. William II, Count of Ponthieu & Montreuil. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2915]

Richard I was only too happy to get rid of Alais. Her mother was Constance of Castile. Alais had one daughter by William II of Ponthieu: Marie, later countess of Ponthieu in her own right, who to judge from two of William's charters was prob. b. late in 1197 or (more likely) in 1198. [John Carmi Parsons <[email protected]]

Dau. of Louis VII of France and his second wife, Constance of Castile. In 1161, when she was still a child, she was betrothed to Richard, duke of Aquitaine (later Richard I of England), son of Henry II of England, and was held in wardship by the English king pending the marriage. Some sources hint that she was involved in a relationship with the king, but that is unlikely to be true. She was handed back to her brother, Philip II of France, in 1189, and Richard rejected her in 1190 in favour of Berengaria of Navarre. Philip then freed Richard from his 20-year oath to marry Alice, but only in return for 10,000 marks. In 1195 Alice was eventually married to William, count of Ponthieu.
[Hallam. The Plantagenet Encyclopedia, p. 17]

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1170. 1119

Alais married Henry II "Curt Mantel" PLANTAGENET King Of England,779,827,831,835,1061,1062,1063,1064,1065,1066,1067,1068,1069,1070,1071,1072,1073,1074,1075,1076,1077,1078,1079,1080,1081,1082,1083,1084,1085,1086,1087 son of Geoffrey V "Le Bon"The Fair PLANTAGENET Count Of Anjou And Maine and Maud "The Empress" Princess Of ENGLAND Queen Of England, about 1180.1118 Henry was born from 5 March 1132 to 1133 in Le Mans, Sarthe, France,389,390,835,1064,1088 was christened on 25 March 1133 in Le Mans, France, died on 6 July 1189 in Chinon Near Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, France 389,390,835,1064,1088 at age 57, and was buried on 8 July 1189 in Fontevrault Abbey, Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, France.389,390 The cause of his death was complications of anal fissure.

Alais next married William (Guillaume) III Count Of PONTHIEU,1119,1120 son of John (Jean) I Count Of PONTHIEU and Beatrice De ST. POL, on 20 August 1195 in Meudon, France 1119.,1120 William was born about 1171 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 3046 and died on 4 October 1221 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France 1119,1120 about age 50.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1179. 1119,1120

514839302912. Bernard "The Dane" De HARCOURT 1454 was born before 912 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France 1454 and died in 955.

Bernard married Sprota Of BURGUNDY 1375.,1454 Sprota was born about 912 in Normandy, France 1375 and died about 908 1375 about age -4.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651456       i.  Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT (born about 930 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France)


514839302913. Sprota Of BURGUNDY 1375,1454 was born about 912 in Normandy, France 1375 and died about 908 1375 about age -4.

Sprota married Bernard "The Dane" De HARCOURT.1454 Bernard was born before 912 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France 1454 and died in 955.

Sprota next married Bernard "The Dane" De HARCOURT Of Saxony 1973 about 899.1375 Bernard was born about 860,1973 died about 955 of Normandy, France 1973 about age 95, and was buried in The Most Powerful Feudal Noble In Normandy During Reign Of William I Longsword..1973

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:67636

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Torf "The Rich" De Harcourt SN DE TORVILLE was born between 900 and 920 of Normandy, France 1973 and was buried in A Great Norman Feudal Baron..1973


514839302914. Amflec De BRIQUEBEC,1454 son of Hugh BARBATUS and Unknown, was born about 909 in Bricquibec, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 955 about age 46. Another name for Amflec was Lancelot De BRICQUEBEC.

Amflec married.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651457       i.  Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC (born about 930 in Bricquibec, Manche, Normandy, France - died about 955)


514839302916. Herfast Of ARQUE,415 son of Harald "Parcus" King Of Sjaelland DENMARK and Elfgifu Princess Of WESSEX, was born about 885 in Sjaelland Island, Denmark and died in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Herfast was Herfast "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes: Note: Many people have Herfast as son of Gorm, but the dates would indicate younger brother. In addition Gorm, according to the Royal Families of Scandinavia, is known to have only two sons: Knut, who died abt 936, & Harald Bluetooth, who possibly killed his older brother.

The general opinion of professional genealogists is that Herfast's ancestry is unknown, but probably the ancestors of Gunnora, wife of Richard I of Normandy were minor nobles, of Danish origin. Gorm was a powerful monarch of a united Denmark, while his father Harald was a minor king of the island of Sjaelland. Thus a younger son of Harald would fit the mold better than a son of Gorm.

Herfast married.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651458       i.  Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE (born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died after 984, buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.")


514839302918. Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,415,2918,3024,3047 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg, was born in 885 in Sweden and died about 964 about age 79. Another name for Olaf was Olaf BJORNSSON.

General Notes:
On the throne in 850 during Ansgar's second visit to Sweden. Died suddenly during a banquet. [WBH - Sweden]

King of Sweden when Anskar made his second visit. Reconquered Kurland and made the Chori pay him tribute. He may not have been the only king in Sweden at this time. [A History of the Vikings, p. 78]

Co-king of Sweden; son of King Emund Erikson; father of:
1. Styrbjorn the Strong who m. Tyre of Denmark

[http://www.genealogy.com/~brigitte/thereoff/sweden.txt]

Received the missionary Ansgar in Birka 854. [Yvonne Korn <[email protected]]

Son of Bjorn'the Old' of Sweden Eriksson and Ingeborg; m. Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; father of:
1. Gyrid (Gunhilda Olafsson who m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson and Herbastus de Crepon
2. Styrbiorn of Sweden Olafsson who m. Thyra Haraldsdottir. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]

Olaf married Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR. Ingeborg was born in 886 in Uppsala, Sweden and died in 932 at age 46.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Styrbjorn "The Strong" Olafsson Prince Of SWEDEN was born about 908 in Sweden and died in 985 in Fyrisval, Sweden 2918 about age 77. Another name for Styrbjorn was Styrbjron OLAFSSON.

257419651459      ii.  Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden (born in 923 in Sweden - died on 13 November 1002)

                 iii.  Chnob Gnupa Chauba OLAFSSON King was born about 920 in Sweden.

                  iv.  Gurd Of Sweden OLAFSSON King was born about 922 in Sweden.

                   v.  Gyrid OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden was born in 905 in Sverige, Sweden. Another name for Gyrid was Gyrithe.

257420429608      vi.  Styr-Bjorn The Strong OLAFSSON Prince Of Sweden (born in 903 in Sweden - died in 988 in Fyrisvols, Uppsala, Sweden)


514839302919. Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR,415 daughter of Thrand Of NORWAY and Unknown, was born in 886 in Uppsala, Sweden and died in 932 at age 46.

Ingeborg married Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,2918,3024,3047 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg. Olaf was born in 885 in Sweden and died about 964 about age 79. Another name for Olaf was Olaf BJORNSSON.

514839302928. Waleran I Count Of MEULAN 415,2445 was born about 902 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 11 November 986 2445 about age 84.

Waleran married Ligardis (Liegarde) Countess Of MEULAN 2975 after 944 in 2ND Husband.2445 Ligardis was born about 902 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 12 November 991 2975 about age 89.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651464       i.  Waleran II (Robert) Count Of MEULAN (born about 945 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 990)


514839302929. Ligardis (Liegarde) Countess Of MEULAN 415,2975 was born about 902 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 12 November 991 2975 about age 89.

Ligardis married Raoul De Cambrai Count Of Valois & VEXIN 2975 in 1st Husband.2445 Raoul was born about 898 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 944 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France (Slain) 2975 about age 46.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS was born about 925 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died between 992 and 998 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France 3048,3049 about age 67. Another name for Walter was Gautier I Count Of VEXIN.

Ligardis next married Waleran I Count Of MEULAN 2445 after 944 in 2ND Husband.2445 Waleran was born about 902 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 11 November 986 2445 about age 84.

514839302932. Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS,415,2880,2975,3048,3049 son of Raoul De Cambrai Count Of Valois & VEXIN and Ligardis (Liegarde) Countess Of MEULAN, was born about 925 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died between 992 and 998 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France 3048,3049 about age 67. Another name for Walter was Gautier I Count Of VEXIN.

General Notes: Walter I, Count of Amiens and probably Vexin and Valois; married Adela, probably daughter of Fulk I, Count of Anjou, and died 992-98. [Burke's Peerage]

Gautier I Count of Valois & Vexin, d. 992/998. [Alan B. Wilson]

Walter married Adele D' ANJOU 2975,3048.,3050 Adele was born about 925 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257419651466       i.  Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS (born about 952 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France - died between 1017 and 1024 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France)

                  ii.  Robert De CROYES was born about 954 in Amiens, Oise, Picardy, France.


514839302933. Adele D' ANJOU,415,2975,3048,3050 daughter of Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Of Anjou Rosalie (Roscille) De LOCHES, was born about 925 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

Adele married Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS 2880,2975,3048.,3049 Walter was born about 925 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died between 992 and 998 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France 3048,3049 about age 67. Another name for Walter was Gautier I Count Of VEXIN.

514839302934. Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS,415,3051 son of Pepin II De Vermandois Comte De SENLIS and Unknown, was born in 919 in Somme, Picardy, France and died after 965 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Bernard married.

Children from this marriage were:

257419651467       i.  Adele De SENLIS (born about 954 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France)

257420431100      ii.  Robert I De PERONNE (born about 965 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France - died after 1034 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France)


514839303472. Hildouin I Comte De MONTDIDIER 415 was born in 930 in Arcisur, Aube, France and died after 960.

Hildouin married Helsinde. Helsinde was born in 934 of Rameru, Aube, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651736       i.  Hildouin II Comte De MONTDIDIER (born in 960 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France - died in 992)


514839303473. Helsinde 415 was born in 934 of Rameru, Aube, France.

Helsinde married Hildouin I Comte De MONTDIDIER. Hildouin was born in 930 in Arcisur, Aube, France and died after 960.

514839303480. Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims,415,1444,1447,1784,2701,2702,2703,2704 son of Renaud De Roucy Comte De SOISSONS and Unknown, was born about 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France,2705 died on 10 May 967 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2703,2704,2705,2706 about age 42, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Remi, Reims, France. Other names for Renaud were Ragenolde, Renaud, Renaud I (Ragnvald) Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, Ragnvald Of ROUCY, Renaud, and Count De ROUCY.

General Notes:
The ancestry of Renaud is questionable. I give below (1) AR, which suggests Herbert II de Vermandois. (2) Peter Stewart, who rejects AR, and finds a claim of "Ragenold the Dane" as father. (3) Christian Settipani (who I am following) who rejects the Dane in favor of an Anjou connection.

Alberade of Lorraine, m. Renaud, d. 15 Mar 973, Count of Rheims and Roucy. (He is called the 8th son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, but is not so given by Pere Anselme; though Anselme does give Hugh, Archbishop of Rheims, as a son of Herbert II). [Ancestral Roots line 151-19]

Note: Alan Wilson names Renaud's father as Rognvald (a Dane) of Burgundy. Leo van de Pas agrees with Alan, giving Ragenold "the Viking" a birth year of c900, which would not agree with Settipani's identification of him nor his ancestry, so I am omitting it.

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The following post to SGM, 30 Nov 2000, by Peter Stewart, refutes Herbert de Vermandois as father of Renaud, and, later, suggests a Danish marauder as father:

From: Stewart, Peter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Renaud de Roucy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000-11-30 19:44:31 PST

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2000 9:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Renaud de Roucy


In researching Renaud de Roucy b. abt 0931, Roucy(or Reims), France; d. 15 March 0973 I have encountered two different parentages as follows:

Ragnvald "the Viking" of Denmark b. abt 0885; d. abt 0925 (I know it appears that the son was born 6 years after the death of the father; but this is from the same source.)

Herbert II de Vermandois b. abt 0884, Vermandois; d. 23 February 0943.

There is also a Hubert of Burgundy which is I would bet is Herbert II, although his father is Hubert/Herbert also.

Does anyone have the correct data on this person.

Of course I hope the correct parentage is Herbert II since his lineage carries me back to Charlemagne.


This one is not going to fall your preferred way: for the children of Heribert II (Renaud not among them) see Christian Settipani, *La préhistoire des Capétiens 481 - 987* (Villeneuve d'Ascq, 1993), pp 223-230 and Michel Bur, *La formation du comté de Champagne v. 950 - v. 1150*, Mémoires des Annales de l'Est 54 (Nancy, 1977), appendix I, pp 507-513. For the origins of Renaud, count of Roucy see the latter, pp 134-139 & table 13, and the sources cited.

According to ES III, 675A (which does not identify his father, & cites Bur along with sources he also used) your Renaud occurs as early as 923, built the château at Roucy in 948, and died on 10 May 967 - where did you find the date 15 March 973? Bur suggests he was son of another Renaud, and either a half-brother of count Waldricus (Gaudry), whose son Guy was count of Soissons from 974 to 995, or related to the counts of Anjou.

Perhaps Todd Farmerie will comment on whether there is any evidence that the elder Renaud came from Denmark.

Peter Stewart

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The claim that the elder Renaud was a Dane depends on identifying him with the Viking raider Ragenold, who according to the annalist Flodoard was invading France at about the same time as Rollo of Normandy. I'm not sure what the most recent opinions are regarding this possible identification.

Stewart Baldwin

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The following post to SGM, 2 Dec 2000, by Christian Settipani (a noted French genealogist) suggests an earlier Renaud, with an Anjou connection, as father of Renaud:

From: Settipani ([email protected])
Subject: Re : Renaud de Roucy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000-12-02 06:58:28 PST

I have examined lenghtly the family of this person in my paper : 'Les comtes d'Anjou et leurs alliances', in Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, ed. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Woodbridge, 1997, p. 211-267, at p. 222-225. I think that the equivalence Renaud of Roucy / Ragenold the Vikink is a false one and that there is no link between the two. Renaud de Roucy is probably the son of another Renaud, named from 924 to 941 in Anjou, and perhaps count of Soissons. This first Renaud could be a nephew of Fulk I of Anjou (+ 942).

CS

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 15 March 972-73. 2702

Renaud married Albérade De LORRAINE 2702,2707 in 945.2704 Albérade was born about 930 in Lorraine, France 2705,2707 and died from 15 March 972 to 973 2705 about age 42. Other names for Albérade were Alberade, Albrada, and Alérade.

514839303481. Albérade De LORRAINE,415,1444,1447,2702,2707 daughter of Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born about 930 in Lorraine, France 2705,2707 and died from 15 March 972 to 973 2705 about age 42. Other names for Albérade were Alberade, Albrada, and Alérade.

General Notes:
Alberade of Lorraine [dau. of Giselbert Duke of Lorraine & Gerberga of Saxony], m. Renaud, d. 15 Mar 973, Count of Rheims and Roucy. (He is called the 8th son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, but is not so given by Pere Anselme; though Anselme does give Hugh, Archbishop of Rheims, as a son of Herbert II). [Ancestral Roots line 151-19]

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 10 May 967. 1784

Albérade married Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims 1784,2702,2703,2704 in 945.2704 Renaud was born about 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France,2705 died on 10 May 967 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2703,2704,2705,2706 about age 42, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Remi, Reims, France. Other names for Renaud were Ragenolde, Renaud, Renaud I (Ragnvald) Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, Ragnvald Of ROUCY, Renaud, and Count De ROUCY.

514839303482. Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,415,1444,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 980. 2492

Alberic married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS 2069,2485,2489 in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

514839303483. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489

Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins 2069,2491,2492 in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY 2485,2486,2487 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

514839303484. Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT,415,1882,2112,2784 son of Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT and Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY, was born about 928 in Hainault, Belgium 2784 and died in 973 in Bohemia, Czech Republic (In Exile) 1882,2112,2784 about age 45.

General Notes: Reginar III, Duke of Upper Lorraine 954, called "Long Neck"; died in exile in Bohemia 973. [Burke's Peerage]

Regnier married Adele Of LOUVAIN,2112,2785 daughter of Lambert Count Of LOUVAIN and Unknown. Adele was born about 929 in Louvaine, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 961 2785 about age 32. Another name for Adele was Adele Of DAGSBOURG.

514839303485. Adele Of LOUVAIN,415,2112,2785 daughter of Lambert Count Of LOUVAIN and Unknown, was born about 929 in Louvaine, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 961 2785 about age 32. Another name for Adele was Adele Of DAGSBOURG.

Adele married Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT,1882,2112,2784 son of Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT and Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY. Regnier was born about 928 in Hainault, Belgium 2784 and died in 973 in Bohemia, Czech Republic (In Exile) 1882,2112,2784 about age 45.

514839303486. Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2048,2674,2675 son of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 938. 2048

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, After 939. 2676

• Ruled: 987-996.

Hugues married Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE 1601,2675,2677 in July 968.2047 Adélaïde was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

Hugues next married Miss De NORMANDY,2680 daughter of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS. Miss was born about 935 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Hugues next married Mrs-Hugh CAPET Concubine Of France.1601 Mrs-Hugh was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

514839303487. Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2675,2677 daughter of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY, was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

General Notes:
Also known as Adèle, she was married to Hugues Capet, and reigned jointly with him, and after his death 996 she also seems to have played a political role during the beginning of the reign of her son, Robert II. She was daughter of Guillaume II and Adèle de Normandie, and lived (ca. 945-1004/06). 1741

Adélaïde married Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE 1601,2048,2674,2675 in July 968.2047 Hugues was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

514839303697. Daughter Of Richard I De NORMANDY,415,2453 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), was born about 949 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Daughter married.

The child from this marriage was:

257419651848       i.  Niel (Nigel) II Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR (born about 964 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France - died in 1045)


514839303700. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

514839303701. Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON,415,1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,1746,2045,2234,2508,2509 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, wrote:

Apparently she was not "de Crepon" & her parentage is unknown:

The name of the father of Gunnor is unknown. Herbastus is derived from the name of her brother Herfast/Arfastus, but is unsupported. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <[email protected]> message to Gen-Medieval 6 Nov 1996]

The greater part of our information about Gunnor and her relations is derived from those additions to the History of William of Jumieges for which Robert de Rotigny is responsible. It is Robert who preserved the story of how Richard I of Normandy became enamoured of the beautiful Senfrie, wife of one of his foresters, and how Senfrie contrived to substitute her sister Gunnor for herself, to the Duke's ultimate satisfaction. [Ref The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by G.H. White in the Genealogist, New Series 1921 v37 p57]

Parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as a daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued, based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statement of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <[email protected]> message to Gen-Medieval 5 Jan 1997]

Gunnora ... was not "de Crepon", nor was she daughter of Herbastus de Crepon of Denmark - her brother Herfastus/Arfast appears to have received Crepon only after Gunnora took up with Richard I, and thus the family was not originally from there. Likewise, while she is said to be of a noble family of Danish ancestry, it is not stated that her father was from Denmark (the family probably arrived with Rollo, in the generation of her (unknown) grandfather. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <[email protected]> message to Gen-Medieval 28 Jul 2000]

Research note 1: Was her father Herfast de CREPON or King Haraldblaafand of DENMARK? There is a lack of consensus on this. -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000020.htm#I239

Research note 2: father: Harald I Blaatand, Bluetooth, King of Denmark [Ref: McBride2 (possibly citing Wurts)]

My notes on Gunnora:
This is the same Gunnora known as Gunnora of Crepon, but both are of little value. Gunnora was NOT of Denmark. Some inventive genealogist somewhere along the line decided to make her daughter of Harald Bluetooth, but there is no basis for this, and what we know of her indicates it is not really a possibility worthy of consideration. Her nephew later was called "of Crepon" but he likely gained his posessions through Gunnora's marriage to the Duke, rather than this representing the original home of the clan.

What can be said of Gunnora's parents? Nothing She was not daughter of Harfast, as (too) often stated. Her family was likely of the minor Norman nobility, since her oldest sister was married to a forester at the time Richard first bumped into the girls. That's it.

Richard I of Normandy first bedded, and later married Gunnora, whose ancestry is entirely unknown. She is sometimes said to be daughter of a King of Denmark, but this is incorrect. [taf]

There are several things going on here. First of all, the father of Gunnora and siblings is not known. Attempts to name him Herbastus probably originated in confusion with her brother. Second, Gunnora had three sisters, Senfria/Senfreda, Wevia, and (Avelina). The first married an otherwise unknown forester. The latter two are confused by our two sources, one claiming that it was Wevia who married Osbern, and the other that Wevia married Turold of Pont Audemer, and by deduction, (Avelina) married Osbern. We know that Osbern married one of them, and a recent analysis suggests that it was Wevia for nomenclatural reasons. (Specifically, Turold and wife had a granddaughter named Duvelina, and it is hyposthesized that she was named for her grandmother, and that Duvelina is the authentic name of the sister, rather than Avelina. Finally, in which generation was Osbern's. This is unambiguous. She was sister of Gunnora and the others. There is no source before recent times that claims otherwise. There are two probable origins for the error that she was niece of Gunnora. First, due to the error in naming her father Herfastus, someone aware that this was the name of Gunnora's brother assumed then that Avelina's father was Gunnora's brother (the name of Gunnora's father being unknown, and probably unknowable). The second possibility is a confusion of uncle and nephew. Harfastus/Arfast had a son Osbern of Crepon, and perhaps someone confused this man with Osbern of Bolbec. Still, we know for certain that Osbern of Bolbec married a sister of Gunnora. [Ref: Dave Utzinger <[email protected]> message to Gen-Medieval 29 Jul 2000]

Gunnora married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

Gunnora next married Hugh Of COUSTANCE Bishop Of Counstance.

514839303712. Hugh De CALVACAMP,976,1449,3052 son of Malahule Ha EYSTEINSSON Jarl Of More and Unknown, was born about 890 near Dieppe, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.976,1449 Another name for Hugh was Hugo De CAVALCAMP.

General Notes: Hugh de Calvacamp; b most likely c890; of French rather than Norman extraction; had, with another elder son (Hugh, b probably by 915, monk at Abbey of St Denis, France, Archbishop Rouen, Normandy, 942, had issue (probably illegitimate), made over that part of the archiepiscopal lands consisting of the feudal territory of Toeni (modern Tosny, on the Seine southeast of Rouen) to his brother Ralph and died 10 Nov 989 or 990). [Burke's Peerage]

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Hugh de Calvacamp, a Frenchman, was b. probably about 890. Nothing is know of him except that he was the father of two sons, whose names follow. [Complete Peerage XII/1:753]

Hugh married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hugh De TOENI A Monk was born before 915 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 3053 and died on 10 November 989 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieue, Normandy, France 3053. Another name for Hugh was Hugo De CAVALCAMP Archbishop Of Rouen.

257419651856      ii.  Ralph I Seigneur De TOENI (born about 930 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France)


514840858916. Roger (Rotgaire) Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120 son of Herlouin II Comte De PONTHIEU and Unknown, was born about 894 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died about 957 1120 about age 63.

Roger married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429458       i.  Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU (born about 914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France - died in 965)


514840858918. Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE,415,2561 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 893 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died on 13 November 933 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 40. Another name for Adaloff was Adaloff Sur Mer De THEROUANNE.

Adaloff married Mahaut De CREQUY. Mahaut was born about 895 in Crequy, Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429459       i.  Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE (born about 918 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France)

257420441824      ii.  Arnulf I Comte De BOULOGNE (born about 922 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died in 971)


514840858919. Mahaut De CREQUY 415 was born about 895 in Crequy, Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Mahaut married Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE.2561 Adaloff was born about 893 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died on 13 November 933 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 40. Another name for Adaloff was Adaloff Sur Mer De THEROUANNE.

514840858944. Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120 son of Roger (Rotgaire) Comte De PONTHIEU and Unknown, was born about 914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 965 1120 about age 51.

Guillaume married Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE. Maude was born about 918 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

514840858945. Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE,415 daughter of Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE and Mahaut De CREQUY, was born about 918 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Maude married Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU.1120 Guillaume was born about 914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 965 1120 about age 51.

514840859012. Duke Of Aquitaine Ebles Mancer Count Of POITOU,415,1444,1601,1746,3054,3055 son of Ranulph II Count Of POITOU and Nun Adélaïde Princess Of FRANCE, was born in 890 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 932 3055,3056 at age 42. Other names for Ebles were Manzer=The Bastard, Ebles, Duke D' AQUITAINE, Ebles, Count D' AUVERGNE, Ebalus The BASTARD, Ebles MANCER, Ebalus Mancer Af POITOU, Ebalus, and Count De POITOU.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: 934.

Ebles married Emliane Aelgiva Princess Of ENGLAND 1601,3055 about 911 in 2ND Wife 3055.,3056 Emliane was born in 902 in Wessex, England and died on 28 October. Other names for Emliane were Edgifa,2323 Edgifu, and Emiliane.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429506       i.  Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE (born about 929 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 3 April 963)

                  ii.  Ebles Abbot Of SAINT MARTIN was born about 931 in Of, Poitiers, Aquitaine and died in 975 about age 44.

                 iii.  Ebalus, Bishop Of LIMOGES.

Ebles next married Countess Aremburge 1601 on 10 October 891 in <Of Poitiers, Aquitaine>. Aremburge was born in 890 in <Of Poitiers, Aquitaine> and died before 931 in Y. Other names for Aremburge were Eremburg, and Ermburge.

Ebles next married Emiliane 1601 in <Of Poitiers, Aquitaine>. Emiliane was born in <Of Poitiers, Aquitaine> and died in Y.


514840859013. Emliane Aelgiva Princess Of ENGLAND,415,505,1444,1601,1746,3055 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, was born in 902 in Wessex, England and died on 28 October. Other names for Emliane were Edgifa,2323 Edgifu, and Emiliane.

Emliane married Duke Of Aquitaine Ebles Mancer Count Of POITOU 1601,3055 about 911 in 2ND Wife 3055.,3056 Ebles was born in 890 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 932 3055,3056 at age 42. Other names for Ebles were Manzer=The Bastard, Ebles, Duke D' AQUITAINE, Ebles, Count D' AUVERGNE, Ebalus The BASTARD, Ebles MANCER, Ebalus Mancer Af POITOU, Ebalus, and Count De POITOU.

Emliane next married Louis Of Aquitaine, King Of ARLES, son of Rudolph I King Of BURGUNDY and Willa Of VIENNE. Another name for Louis was Ludwig, Count Im THURGAU.2323


514840859014. Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2778,2892,2933,2934 son of Rognvald "The Wise" Eysteinsson , Jarl Of MORE Jarl Of More and Countess Of More Hilda (Ragnhild) Hrolfsdatter NORWAY, was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

General Notes:
Rollo, also called ROLF, or ROU, French ROLLON (b. c. 860--d. c. 932), Scandinavian rover who founded the duchy of Normandy.

911-Under treaty of St Claire received Normandy from Charles III King of France

Making himself independent of King Harald I of Norway, Rollo sailed off to raid Scotland, England, Flanders, and France on pirating expeditions and, about 911, established himself in an area along the Seine River. Charles III the Simple of France held off his siege of Paris, battled him near Chartres, and negotiated the treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, giving him the part of Neustria that came to be called Normandy; Rollo in return agreed to end his brigandage. He gave his son, William I Longsword, governance of the dukedom (927) before his death. Rollo was baptized in 912 but is said to have died a pagan. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1997, ROLLO]

Banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 876.

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The following information, arguing against Rollo's ancestry as I have it (certainly putting it to question), is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected] (Note: I am still sticking with my ancestry, which is based on information in CP, considered a very reliable source, though no source is perfect. I tend to want to stick up for the Norse "legends" contained in the sagas, believing that because they are easy targets, living in a time when there was no writing, many people deny their existence, holding them to the same standard as say "Charlemagne" or other historic figures who were written about by contemporaries.):

I apologize in advance for the length of this.

Rollo "the Ganger" 1st Duke of NORMANDY
911: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Paget p135]
properly Hrolf; known from his stature as Gongu-Hrolf, 'Rolf the walker' because no horse could carry him [Ref: Watney p740]
name: Rolf the Ganger [Ref: Tapsell p202]
911-932: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Tapsell p202]

born: 846 [Ref: Moriarty p10] abt 846 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p11, Watney #740], parents: [Ref: Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11, Paget p135, Watney #740]

married Poppa 886: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

married Gisele of France 912: [Ref: ES II:79, Paget p135]

died: 933 [Ref: ES II:75new] 927 [Ref: Watney 740] 931 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11] 932 [Ref: Paget p135, Tapsell p202] 931 [Ref: Wurts p422]

Rolf, known to his Frankish posterity as Rollo, was probably born of Norwegian stock, being the son of Rognvald, Earl of More, and before his formal establishment in Gaul he had a long career as a Viking, raiding not only in France but also, as it seems, in Scotland and Ireland. In 911, having entered Gaul afresh, perhaps by way of the Loire valley, he was defeated in a pitched battle outside the walls of of Chartres, and it was after this that he and his followers were given lands by the emperor in the valley of the lower Seine. Whether this famous grant of lands and recognition was made (as tradition later asserted) after a formal interview between Charles [King Charles III the Simple of France] and Rolf at Saint-Claire-sur Epte is questionable, and the application of the term 'treaty' to these arrangements is undoubtedly too precise. What, however, is certain is that before 918 Rolf and his followers already held considerable lands in this region, and that they had been formally confirmed in possession of them by the emperor. Equally certain is that in token of the new position he was henceforth to occupy in Gaul, Rolf accepted baptism at the hands of the archbishop of Rouen. [Ref: Wm Conqueror p17]

Rollo (later Robert) "of Normandy" Viking leader in France, d. 928×933. Although he is often referred to as the first duke of Normandy, that title is an anachronism. Probably about 911 [see Douglas 426-31], king Charles the Simple of France ceded a district around the city of Rouen to Rollo, which eventually evolved into the duchy of Normandy. He is said to have been baptized in 912, assuming the Christian name Robert [Dudo ii, 30 (p. 50)]. He was still living in 928, when he was holding Eudes, son of Heribert of Vermandois, as a captive [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 928, see PL 135: 439, van Houts 45], and was probably dead by 933, when his son William was mentioned as leading the Normans [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 933, see PL 135: 445, van Houts 45]. [Ref: Henry Project] note: the citations Douglas, Dudo, Flodoard, PL & van Houts are further identified in the Bibliography at the bottom of this page...Curt

Since the article by Duglas (sic) [Duglas (sic), David, English Historical review 1942, p417-36] seems to be one of the main secondary sources used by many who support the alleged Norwegian origin of Rollo, a brief discussion of Douglas's article is in order.

I agree with Duglas (sic) that the reference to Rollo as "filio Catilli" by Richer of Rheims can be dismissed. Richer used the generally reliable chronicle of Floodoard as a framework, which he then expanded with much legendary material of dubious value. This Catillus is a significant figure in Richer, but is apparently unknown from other sources, and his legendary nature is evident. The statement that Rollo was the son of Catillus is apparently an attempt by Richer to amplify the fame of Catillus (whose existence is doubful) by giving him a famous son.

Duglas (sic) then outlines the well known saga statements regarding Rollo's supposed identification with Ganger-Rolf, son of Rognvald. To support his claim that "Rollo" is an acceptable Latin form for "Hrolfr", Duglas (sic) brings forward a single charter [a charter of Richard II for St. Quen, which predated Dudo and the other later sources, mentions the _atavus Ralphus_ of the Duke] which reads "atavus Rolphus" (not Ralphus) which appears to be referring to Rollo (p.421). However, as Duglas (sic) admits, the charter itself is not above suspicion. Another example mentioned in a footnote is a certain Turstinus fillius Rolv who was apparently the same person as a Turstinus filius Rollonis. This is a very small sample to make the claim that Rollo was a Latin form for Rolf. Just as likely is the possibility that the names Rollo and Ralph were confused in a couple of manuscripts. Since Ralph was such a common name in Normandy and England, we should see a large number of examples of "Rollo" and "Ralph" being used as the same name, if they were in fact the same. Since the number of examples which Douglas was able to produce is so small, it is more likely that some sort of copying mistake was made on the above examples, in which the uncommon name Rollo was accidently replaced by the extremely common (and similar) Ralph. Important negative evidence is not given, for Douglas never mentions that there is a Norse name "Hrollaug" for which "Rollo" is an obvious Latinized form. Since the sagas give Rognvald of More two clearly different sons named Hrollaug and Hrolf, it would be difficult to argue that Hrollaug and Hrolf are supposed to be the same name. The main other piece of evidence Douglas gives for accepting the saga account is the supposed confirmation of a saga statement about Granger-Rolf in the contemporary records. The following statement by Ari is quoted: "Another son of Othere (he says) was Helge. He harried in Scotland and won there as his booty Nithbeorg, daughter of King Beolan and of Kathleen, daughter of Ganger-Rolf." Duglas (sic) then reads between the lines, and states that since Kathleen is a Celtin name, her mother would almost certainly be a Christian. He then turns to the nearly contemporary "Lament for the Death of William Longsword", which states that William was born outside France of a Christian mother at a time when his father was still pagan. He then states: "The suggestion of the Landnamabok is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century. The fact would seem to be a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf." The first sentence in the above quote is completely false. There is not a single detail in the quote from Ari which is confirmed by the statement in "Lament for the death ..." This argument used by Duglas (sic), in which he deduces an additional statement not in the original, so that there is something which can be "confirmed" is unacceptable. The fact that Douglas would refer to such an argument as "powerful" only serves to emphasize how weak his argument really is. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 7 Dec 1996] (Note: "Duglas" referred to above is actually spelled Douglas. David C. Douglas, Fellow of the British Academy, Emeritus Professor of History, University of Bristol, Ford's Lecturer to the University of Oxford & editor of a series of studies of the English monarchs...Curt)

According to the Orkneying Saga (late twelfth century), Rognvald, jarl of More in Norway, was the father (among others) of a certain Hrolf, who became the first duke of Normandy, and is therefore intended to be identified with the historical Viking Rollo, who appears in the contemporary Frankish annals of the tenth century. Those who accept this view base their argument on these late Icelandic sources. In my opinion, the Icelandic sources are worthless for early Norman history, and should be rejected as a source for Rollo's parentage. Some of the basic reasons for this opinion are as follows:

1. The Icelandic sources are both late and foreign when it comes to Norman history. Other than the very well known fact that William the Conqueror was descended from the dukes of Normandy, the Icelandic sources do not offer a single fact about early Norman history which can be corroborated in the contemporary continental sources. In fact, the Icelandic sources say remarkably little about early Norman history, which is suspicious for a source which supposedly knows the origin of Rollo.

2. The Norman sources, which are both native and considerably earlier than the Icelandic sources, tell a completely different story about the origin of Rollo, who is said to be of Danish origin. Even though some of the early Norman sources (such as Dudo) have been criticized for their innacuracy (and for deliberate embellishment), it is still reasonable to suppose that early native sources would be more reliable on the matter of Rollo's origin than late foreign sources.

3. Unfortunately, the early tenth century is not well covered by the Frankish sources. However, even though the Norman sources have clearly embellished and romanticized the material on Rollo, the story of a Danish origin for Rollo fits quite well with what the Frankish sources for the late ninth century (a better covered period) say about the Danish invasions during that earlier period.

4. Contrary to what has been frequently claimed, the names Hrolf and Rollo do not appear to be the same. The Norse name Hrollaug, which is a different name (see #5), is the name which would have "Rollo" as a reasonable Latinization. The claim that "Hrolf" was Latinized as "Rollo" by mistake is unlikely, because the Franks were quite familiar with the name, and a different Viking raider named Hrolf from the ninth century has his name correctly Latinized as "Rodulf" in the contemporary ninth century sources.

5. Fifth, and most important, the Icelandic sources give Rognvald of More several sons two of whom are Hrolf, allegedly the same as the founder of Normandy, and Hrollaug, an early Icelandic settler. First, this shows that Hrolf and Hrollaug were regarded as different names. However, it also causes a big problem in the Icelandic story. If we are to believe the Icelandic account, Hrolf went to Normandy, where he was then known as Rollo/Hrollaug, i.e., the name of Hrolf's brother. If the Icelandic story were true, why would both the Frankish and Norman sources both refer to "Hrolf" by the name of his brother Hrollaug? (Claiming that the Icelandic sources were almost right, and that Rollo of Normandy was the same as Hrollaug son of Rognvald, is not feasible, because Hrollaug's role as an early settler of Iceland clearly marks him as a different person from Rollo of Normandy.) I would like to see this problem explained away by someone supporting position that Rollo was Rognvald's son. By the way, this last point (#5) has, to my knowledge, not been mentioned before (except by me in previous postings on the same subject), and I therefore have an obvious personal interest in knowing if this particular point has been mentioned by others. If point #5 has already been made somewhere else in the literature, I would be interested in having the reference.

Thus, in my opinion, for the reasons given above, Rollo of Normandy was was probably not the son of Rognvald of More, and his parentage should be
regarded as unknown. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 1998]

also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess.

It is more likely that the title "Duke" is a tenth or eleventh century construct, as even the title count was not introduced until later documents, usually refered as count of Rouen. Neither Rollo or his son William Longsword issued many written instruments - certainly none that survive in the original.

Rollo the Dane, also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert. Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess. In the reign of Charles II, the Bald, he sailed up the Seine River and took Rouen, which he kept as a base of operations. He gained a number of victories over the Franks, and extorted the cession of the province since called Normandy. By the famous treaty which Charles the Bald and Rollo signed the latter agreed to adopt Christianity. He was born in 846 and died in 932, and was buried in the Cathedral at Rouen. He married (1) Gisla, daughter of Charles the Simple, King of France, no issue; (2) Lady Poppa de Valois, (means puppet or little doll), daughter of Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berenger (Berenarius) of Bretagne, Count of Bayeux, and sister of Bernard of St. Liz (Senlis), also recorded as Berenger, Count of Bayeux. Rollo lived with her for some time before the marriage. [Ref: McBride2]

Dudo (contemporary with Rollo's grandson Richard I and informed by Richard's half-brother) states that Rollo was a Dane and had a brother whose name (I forget the form Dudo used) can be interpreted as Gorm or Guthorm. He portrays him as an extremely active individual rampaging, sacking, looting, and then being bought off by the French king to stop other vikings from doing the same, being baptized as Robert.

The Orkneyinga saga, which dates from a good bit after the time of William the Conqueror (great-grandson of Richard I and great-great-great-grandson of Rollo) says that the Jarl of Orkney had a brother Hrolf the Walker, who conquered Normandy and was ancestor of the Norman kings of England. It explains the nickname as indicating that he was so fat he could not ride a horse. He is a Norwegian, and had numerous brothers (including, oddly enough, one named Rollo), but none named Gorm or Guthorm.

Now there are no absolute answers here, but one thing is clear. The accounts of Dudo and of the Orkneyinga saga are completely incompatable. Every single detail, other than that the man conquered Normandy, - name, ethnicity, physical characteristics, siblings, are all different. Obviously one of these sources is in error. Both contain material which is demonstrably false, and which has been used in the past to discredit them. However, Dudo probably actually knew people who knew Rollo, and it is difficult to come up with a motive for falsification of these details (why bother substituting danish for norwegian, for example) while the Orkneyinga saga author had no such direct connection, and furthermore had motive to invent such an ancient connection, to further glorify the family are the center of his tale. Still, nothing of this sort is certain, but given what each of the sources have to say, you have to give the nod to Dudo, which would mean that Rollo would not be identical to the Hrolf of the saga, and the claim that he was the founder of Normandy must rest on some sort of mistaken identity or intentional forgery. [Ref: TAF 27 Feb 2002]

Hrólfr (son of Rognvaldr) is, often (but dubiously) identified with Rollo of Normandy [Ref: Henry Project]
Below is from the Henry Project, compiled by Stewart Baldwin at http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rollo000.htm
Commentary
Supposed father: Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre.
Supposed mother: Ragnhildr or Hildr.

The origin of Rollo is contraversial. There are several medieval sources which claim to give information about the origin of Rollo, the most widely repeated of which would make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre by Ragnhildr or Hildr. As can be seen from the following brief notices, the various primary sources offer very contradictory information about Rollo's origin.

The earliest author to attribute an explicit origin to Rollo was Richer of Rheims, writing between 996 and 998, who called Rollo the son of another Viking invader of France named Catillus (presumably representing the Norse name Ketil) [Richer i, 28 (see PL 138: 35)]. Since Catillus appears to be a legendary individual, this account has generally been discredited, probably correctly [see Douglas 420-1].

According to Dudo of St. Quentin (writing early 11th century), author of the earliest history of the Normans, Rollo had a younger brother named Gurim, presumed to be the familiar name Gorm. Dudo states that Rollo and Gurim were sons of a man who held many lands in "Dacia" (Dudo's word for Denmark, following other authors), and that after the death of the (unnamed) father of Rollo and Gurim, the king of Dacia fought against the sons, killing Gurim and driving Rollo out [Dudo ii, 2-4 (pp. 26-7)]. Dudo later refers to duke Richard I as being related to a "king of Dacia" named Haigrold [Dudo iv, 84-88 (pp. 114-20 passim)], who must have been the Viking raider of France of that name [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 945, see PL 135: 463-4, van Houts 51], and not king Harald "Bluetooth" of Denmark. Note that Gurim cannot be the famous Gorm "the Old" of Denmark, who survived Rollo by many years.
William of Malmesbury (early 12th century) appears to be the earliest author to attribute a Norwegian origin to Rollo [WM ii, 5 (p. 125)].

As is well known, the Orkneyinga Saga (late twelfth century) [OrkS 4 (pp. 29-30)], followed by other Icelandic sources (such as the well known Heimskringla and Landnámabók), gives Rollo the name Hrólfr, and make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre, and brother of (among others) jarl Torf-Einarr of the Orkneys [OI 1: 187]. Earlier sources, such as Ari's Íslendingabók (early to middle 12th century), mention Rognvald of Møre and his son Hrollaugr who settled in Iceland, but not the supposed connection to the dukes of Normandy [Ari 49, 61]. A poem allegedly written by Einar mentions his brothers, including a Hrólfr, but does not connect Hrólfr to Normandy, and does not name a Gorm among the brothers. (See ...Rognvaldr for more on this poem.)

Historia Gruffud vab Kenan (ca. 1250), apparently a Welsh translation and/or revision of an earlier Latin life of Gruffudd ap Cynan, gives Haraldr Hárfagri of Norway ("Harald Harfagyr") a brother named Rodulf (i.e., the Latin form of Hrólfr) who is called the founder of Normandy [HGK, 3-4]. However, this is evidently a corrupt version of the Scandinavian version, and the suggestion that Rollo was a brother of Haraldr Hárfagri need not be given any credence.

The most prominent argument of the case for accepting the Scandinavian account that Rollo was the same person as Hrólfr, son of Rognvaldr of Møre, was given by D. C. Douglas [Douglas 419-23], and those who accept this identification have generally followed the same arguments. On the other side, arguments against the identification were given by Viggo Starcke in his book Denmark in World History [Starcke 222-7].

Most of the argument of Douglas consists of accepting the tale of the sagas and rejecting evidence from the Norman sources which contradict the saga version, while explaining away the problems (on which more below). The evidence which Douglas puts forward as "a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf" concerns a passage in Landnáamabók that refers to a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr:
"... Annarr son Óttars vas Helge; hann herjaðe á Skottland, ok feck þar at herfange Niðbiorgo, dóttor Beolans konungs ok Caðlínar, dóttor Gongo-Hrólfs" (Another son of Óttarr was Helge. He harried in Scotland, and won there as his booty Niðbjorg, daughter of king Beolan and Caðlín, daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr.) [OI 1: 66-7]
This passage, which Douglas attributed to "Ari the Learned" (who may or may not have been the author), is then compared with a passage from the nearly contemporary Plaintsong of Rollo's son William "Longsword" which was written soon after William's death:

"Hic in orbe transmarino natus patre
in errore paganorum permanente
matre quoque consignata alma fide
sacra fuit lotus unda"

(Born overseas from a father who stuck to the pagan error and from a mother who was devoted to the sweet religion, he was blessed with the holy chrism.)
[Douglas 422 (Latin); van Houts 41 (English translation)]

After explaining that the two stories are consistent with one another, Douglas then state that "[t]he suggestion of the Landnámabók is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century." While it is true that the two accounts as they stand are consistent with each other and with the claim that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man (ignoring all other evidence), it is surely a gross overstatement to claim that the Plaintsong "confirms" the other account, for there is not a single statement in the passage from Landnámabók that is confirmed by the Plaintsong. This is a clear case of circular reasoning, for without first assuming that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man, there is no evidence that the two passages have any relation whatsoever. Douglas's case is further undermined by the fact that another source [Laxdœla Saga chapter 32, see OI 1: 246] makes Niðbjorg's mother Caðlín a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr, son of Oxna-Þórir, directly contradicting the thesis that Caðlín was supposedly a granddaughter of Rognvaldr of Møre. Yet, Douglas apparently regarded this as the strongest part of his argument.

There are three main strands of evidence (somewhat related to each other) against the identification of Rollo with Hrólfr son of Rognvaldr:

1. The discrepancies between the Norman and Icelandic sources.
Among other contradictions, the Norman sources give Rollo a brother named Gurim, while the Icelandic sources give Hrólfr several brothers, none of them named Gormr (the presumed Old-Norse form for Gurim). Although both of the sources have their problems, earlier native sources would seem to have a higher priority than later foreign sources. While many elements of the Dudo's account are clearly legendary, there appears to be no clear motive on the part of Dudo (writing less than a century after Rollo's death) to invent a younger brother for Rollo who is then immediately killed off.

2. The general unreliability of Norse source for the early tenth century.
For the period under consideration, i.e., the early ninth century, the sagas have a poor record for reliability, even for Scandinavian history. For example, consider the following words of Peter Sawyer (written with regard to a different matter, but true in general), a well known expert on early Viking history: "... These sagas cannot, however, be accepted as reliable sources for the tenth century. The only trustworthy evidence for the tenth century in those sagas are the contemporary verses around which the saga writers wove their tales." [Sawyer 42] None of these verses confirm the identity of Rollo and Hrólfr. The suspicion is made even larger by the fact that the Icelandic sources show no knowledge of Norman history other than the fact (well known throughout Europe at the time) that William the Conqueror was a descendant of the dukes of Normandy.

3. Rollo and Hrólfr appear to be different names.
The natural Latinization of the name Hrólfr would be Radulfus or Rodulfus. Yet, the Frankish and Norman sources consistently refer to the founder of Normandy as Rollo. Since these sources also include numerous individuals named Rodulfus, and consistently separate the two names, it appears that the names were regarded as different. Douglas explained this by suggesting a hypothetical hypochoristic form "Hrolle" of the name "Hroðwulf" as the basis for the name Rollo, and provides a single charter in which Rollo is referred to as "Rolphus" as evidence that the names were the same, acknowledging, however, that the charter itself was "not above suspicion." If the names were really regarded as the same, it would be expected that more convincing evidence to this effect could be offered.

Personally, I am inclined to believe that the identification of Hrólfr and Rollo has no basis in fact, that it was likely to have been invented by a saga writer who wanted to give the jarls of Orkney some famous relatives (i.e., the kings of England), and that whatever the confusing Norman sources say are probably about the closest we are going to get to Rollo's origin. However, based on the surviving evidence, it is not possible to come to any definitive conclusion one way or the other, and Rollo's parentage should be listed as "unknown" unless further evidence becomes available.

Supposed additional child:
Caðlin (Kathleen), said by Norse sources to have married a certain king Beolan, who is otherwise unidentified. As discussed above, the evidence for her is less than satisfactory.]

Bibliography
Ari = Halldór Hermannsson, ed. & trans., The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók) by Ari Thorgilsson (Islandica, vol. 20, Ithaca, 1930).
Dudo = Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998). Citation is by book and chapter of Dudo's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Douglas = D. C. Douglas, "Rollo of Normandy", English Historical Review 57 (1942), 417-36.
Flodoard's Annals = See PL 135 (Latin), and van Houts (2000), 42-51 (English translation of excerpts relating to the Normans).
GJ = Guillaume de Jumièges, Gesta Normannorum Ducum, as edited in Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis and Robert of Torigni, 2 vols., (Oxford, 1992). Citation is by book and chapter of Guillaume's work, with the volume and page number of the edition by van Houts in parentheses.
HGK = D. Simon Evans, ed., Historia Gruffudd vab Kenan (Caerdydd, 1977).
Keats-Rohan = Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204.
OI = Gudbrand Vigfusson and F. York Powell, ed. & trans., Origines Islandicae, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1905).
OrkS = Herman Pálsson & Paul Edwards, ed. & trans., Orkneyinga Saga (London, 1978). Citation is by chapter, with the page number in parentheses.
PL = Migne's Patrologiæ (Latin)
Richer = Richer of Rheims (see PL 138 for the text, in Latin). Citation is by book and chapter of Richer's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Sawyer = Peter Sawyer, 'The Last Scandinavian Kings of York', Northern History 31 (1995), 39-44.
Starcke = Viggo Starcke, Denmark in World History (Philadelphia, 1962, a translation of the Danish edition of 1946 by Frank Noel Stagg, Ingeborg Nixon, and Mrs. Elmer Harp).
van Houts = Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Normans in Europe (Manchester & New York, 2000) [gives English translations of many of the primary sources relevant to early Norman history]
WM = J. A. Giles, ed. & trans., William of Malmesbury's Chronicle of the Kings of England (London, 1889). Citation is by book and chapter of William's work, with the page number in parentheses.

Regards,
Curt

Rollo married Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy 1601,2778 in 891.1447 Papia was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

Rollo next married Gisèle Duchess Of NORMANDY 1601 in 912 in , , , France. Gisèle was born in 895 in , Normandy, France and died in 919 at age 24.

514840859015. Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy,415,1444,1601,1746,2778 daughter of Berenger Count De BAYEUX and Miss De RENNES, was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

General Notes:
The following information is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

Poppa means puppet or little doll [Ref: McBride2]
The name Poppa comes from Dudo, who calls her daughter of Count Berenger. [Ref: TAF 24 Dec 1999]

What I have in mind is her (Katherine Keats-Rohan) article on Poppa, mother of William Longsword of Normandy, which appeared in The American Genealogist a few years back. Basically, she suggested that Juhel/Judicael Berenger was son of a Count Berenger, named by Dudo and William of Juminges, and that both this Count Berenger and William Longsword were maternal grandchildren of an Earlier Frankish Count Berenger. I have seen it speculated (i.e. by Guillotel) that Judicael Berenger's paternal grandfather might have been a son or grandson of King Erispoe, but there was little evidence with which to place him. [Ref: TAF 21 Nov 2000]

parents: [Ref: ES II:75new], father: Berengar Count of Bayeux [Ref: Paget p135] called a dau of Count Berenger of Boyeux [Ref: Moriarty p11] said to be a daughter of count Berengar [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204)

Research note 1: parents: Gui Count of Senlis & dau Pepin de Parmus [Ref: Moriarty p226]

Research note 2: father: Berenger Marquis of Newstria (d.896) [Ref: KeatsRohan Poppa p196]

Research note 3: father: Pepin Count of Senlis [Ref: Wurts p182]

Research note 4: Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berengarius of Bretagne, who was living in 893. Pepin de Senlis de Valois was the father of Lady Poppa, the first wife of Rollo the Dane, 1st Duke of Normandy. [Ref: McBride2]

married Rollo 886: date: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

Regards,
Curt

Papia married Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2778,2934 in 891.1447 Rollo was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

514840859016. Rotbald I D'angelica Count Of ARLES,415,2894 son of Rothold I Count Of ARLES and Unknown, was born about 890 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 949 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France about age 59. Another name for Rotbald was Rotbaud I Comte De PROVENCE.

Rotbald married Miss De AQUITAINE, daughter of William "Le Pieux" Duke Of AQUITAINE and Engelberge De PROVENCE, in 919. Miss was born about 900 in Aquitaine, France. Another name for Miss was Miss Le PIEUX.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429508       i.  Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES (born about 919 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died between 965 and 967 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France)


514840859017. Miss De AQUITAINE,415 daughter of William "Le Pieux" Duke Of AQUITAINE and Engelberge De PROVENCE, was born about 900 in Aquitaine, France. Another name for Miss was Miss Le PIEUX.

Miss married Rotbald I D'angelica Count Of ARLES,2894 son of Rothold I Count Of ARLES and Unknown, in 919. Rotbald was born about 890 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 949 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France about age 59. Another name for Rotbald was Rotbaud I Comte De PROVENCE.

514840859018. Charles Constantine Count De VIENNE,415,1444,3057 son of Emperor Louis III "The Blind" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Anna Princess of BYZANTIUM, was born about 901 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 1447,3057 and died from January 961 to 62 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 1447,3057 about age 60. Another name for Charles was Karl Konstentin.

Charles married Teutberge De TROYES,3057 daughter of Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES and Teutberga De ARLES. Teutberge was born about 900 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died about 960 3057 about age 60. Other names for Teutberge were Thietberge, and Theuberge De SENS.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429509       i.  Constance De PROVENCE (born about 920 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died about 963)

                  ii.  Richard De VIENNE was born about 922 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from after January 961 to 62 3058.

                 iii.  Amédée De PROVENCE.


514840859019. Teutberge De TROYES,415,1444,3057 daughter of Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES and Teutberga De ARLES, was born about 900 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died about 960 3057 about age 60. Other names for Teutberge were Thietberge, and Theuberge De SENS.

Teutberge married.

Teutberge married Charles Constantine Count De VIENNE,3057 son of Emperor Louis III "The Blind" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Anna Princess of BYZANTIUM. Charles was born about 901 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 1447,3057 and died from January 961 to 62 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 1447,3057 about age 60. Another name for Charles was Karl Konstentin.

514840859020. Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,3048 son of Ingelger I Comte D' Orleans & ANJOU Count Of Anjou And Orleans and Countess Of Anjou Adelaide De GASTINOIS, was born about 870 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in 941 2069 about age 71. Another name for Foulques was Fulk I Count D'ANJOU.

Foulques married Countess Of Anjou Rosalie (Roscille) De LOCHES 1601,2069 before 5 July 905. Rosalie was born about 882 in Loches, Touraine, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429510       i.  Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou (born about 909 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 11 November 958 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France)

                  ii.  Ingelger Of Anjou ANJOU Count Of Anjou was born about 898 in Anjou, France and was buried in St. Martin DE Tours.

                 iii.  Roscille D' ANJOU was born about 910 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

                  iv.  Bishop Of Soissom Guy D' ANJOU was born about 902 in Of, , Anjou, France and died before 972.

514839302933       v.  Adele D' ANJOU (born about 925 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)


514840859021. Countess Of Anjou Rosalie (Roscille) De LOCHES,415,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Garnier De Villentrois Seigneur De LOCHES and Toscanda Or Forcanda, was born about 882 in Loches, Touraine, France.

Rosalie married Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte D' ANJOU 1601,3048 before 5 July 905. Foulques was born about 870 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in 941 2069 about age 71. Another name for Foulques was Fulk I Count D'ANJOU.

514840859022. Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS,415,2563 son of Aubri 'Dux' Of GATINAIS Vicount Of Orleans and Unknown, was born in 890 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died about 942 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 about age 52. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey Viscount Of ORLEANS.

Geoffrey married Ava Of ARVERNE,2563 daughter of Hector Of ARVERNE and Ava (Aba) D' AUVERGNE Abbess Of Sauxillanges. Ava was born about 893 in Auvergne, France 2563 and died after 942 2563.

Geoffrey next married.

514840859023. Ava Of ARVERNE,415,2563 daughter of Hector Of ARVERNE and Ava (Aba) D' AUVERGNE Abbess Of Sauxillanges, was born about 893 in Auvergne, France 2563 and died after 942 2563.

Ava married Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS,2563 son of Aubri 'Dux' Of GATINAIS Vicount Of Orleans and Unknown. Geoffrey was born in 890 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died about 942 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 about age 52. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey Viscount Of ORLEANS.

514840859024. Arlebaud I Seigneur De SEMUR was born about 918 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 956 about age 38.

Arlebaud married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429512       i.  Geoffrey I Seigneur De SEMUR (born about 936 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)


514840859028. Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN,415,3059 son of Eliran Comte De DIJON and Unknown, was born in 898 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 960 3059 about age 62.

Robert married Ingeltrude.3059 Ingeltrude was born in 900 in France and died on 19 August 967 at age 67.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429514       i.  Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon (born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died on 22 February 978-979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)


514840859029. Ingeltrude 3059 was born in 900 in France and died on 19 August 967 at age 67.

Ingeltrude married Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN,3059 son of Eliran Comte De DIJON and Unknown. Robert was born in 898 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 960 3059 about age 62.

514840859030. Duke Giselbert Count Of Chalons & BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2716,2898,3060 son of Monassas (Manasses) I Count Of CHALONS and Ermengarde Of PROVENCE, was born in 890 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 8 April 956 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2716,2898 at age 66. Another name for Giselbert was Giselbert D' AUTUN Duke Of Burgundy.

Giselbert married Ermengarde De BURGUNDY,1601,1784,2898,2901,3061 daughter of Eliran Comte De DIJON and Unknown, before 956. Ermengarde was born about 893 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died in 952 about age 59. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De DIJON.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429515       i.  Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY (born about 928 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France - died after 19 August 967)

                  ii.  Countess Adelaide (Adelais) BURGUNDY was born in 916 in Burgundy, , France and died in 942 at age 26.


514840859031. Ermengarde De BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,1784,2898,2901,3061 daughter of Eliran Comte De DIJON and Unknown, was born about 893 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died in 952 about age 59. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De DIJON.

General Notes:
Alan Wilson, in a post to SGM on 27 Apr 1997, states that even though she is usually called a daughter of Richard the Judiciar, Duke of Burgundy, there is no evidence that she was such a daughter. Alan, in a later post, has her as daughter of a Count of Dijon. Alan Bach, naming her Ermengarde de Dijon, states that her husband Giselbert "inherited" (there wasn't true inheritance at that early time) the Dukedom of Burgundy because his mother (Ermengarde de Provence) was a niece of Richard the Justiciar, not because his wife was Richard's daughter. Stated to be sister of Raoul de Dijon, as well as Alan Wilson placing her as daughter of Eliran de Dijon.

Ermengarde married Duke Giselbert Count Of Chalons & BURGUNDY,1601,2716,2898,3060 son of Monassas (Manasses) I Count Of CHALONS and Ermengarde Of PROVENCE, before 956. Giselbert was born in 890 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 8 April 956 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2716,2898 at age 66. Another name for Giselbert was Giselbert D' AUTUN Duke Of Burgundy.

514840859036. Alberic I Vicomte De NARBONNE Count Of Macon,1444,2069,2814 son of Mayeul I Vicomte De NARBONNE and Raimodis (Raymonde), was born about 880 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 945 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 about age 65. Another name for Alberic was Aubrey Comte De MACON & Narbonne.

Alberic married Etolane De MACON,2069 daughter of Raculfe De MACON and Unknown. Etolane was born about 892 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429518       i.  Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON (born about 910 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died on 17 September 965 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)

                  ii.  Adela De SALINS was born about 912 in Salins-Les-Bains, Jura, Franche-Comte, France and died after 975 2491.

                 iii.  Humbert I Seigneur De SALINS was born about 925 in Salins Les Bains, Jura, Franche-Comte, France and died in 958 about age 33.


514840859037. Etolane De MACON,1444,2069 daughter of Raculfe De MACON and Unknown, was born about 892 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Etolane married Alberic I Vicomte De NARBONNE Count Of Macon,2069,2814 son of Mayeul I Vicomte De NARBONNE and Raimodis (Raymonde). Alberic was born about 880 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 945 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 about age 65. Another name for Alberic was Aubrey Comte De MACON & Narbonne.

514840859038. Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES,415,1444,2232,2400 son of Richard Meroving De CHAUNOIS and Unknown, was born in 868 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died on 6 December 925 at age 57.

Garnier married Teutberga De ARLES 2232.,2400 Teutberga was born about 881 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died before 30 September 948. Other names for Teutberga were Thietberge, and Teutberge Of ARLON.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hugh Count Of Palatine & VIENNE was born about 900 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died about 948 about age 48.

514840859019      ii.  Teutberge De TROYES (born about 900 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France - died about 960)

                 iii.  Fromond I Comte De SENS was born about 910 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 951 about age 41.

257420429519      iv.  Berta De TROYES (born about 915 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France - died before 948)


514840859039. Teutberga De ARLES,415,1444,2232,2400 daughter of Theobald I Count Of ARLES and Bertha Princess Of LORRAINE Abbess Of Avenay, was born about 881 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died before 30 September 948. Other names for Teutberga were Thietberge, and Teutberge Of ARLON.

Teutberga married Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES 2232.,2400 Garnier was born in 868 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died on 6 December 925 at age 57.

514840859040. Guifre (Wilfred) The Hairy Count Of Barcelona, son of Sunifred I Of Urgell Count Of Urgell-Cerdanya and Unknown, died in 897 in Battle.

General Notes: Count of Giron-Osona and Urgell-Cerdanya.
He expanded his territory by colinizing adjacent areas. He was killed in
battle with the Moors

Information recieved from John Luddy Burke Jr.

Guifre married Guinidilda De FLANDERS, daughter of Baudouin I "Iron Arm" Count Of FLANDERS and Queen Of England Judith Princess Of FRANCE Princess Of The West Franks.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429520       i.  Sunyer Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona (born about. 878 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain - died on 15 October 950)

                  ii.  Guifre Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona died in 911.


514840859041. Guinidilda De FLANDERS, daughter of Baudouin I "Iron Arm" Count Of FLANDERS and Queen Of England Judith Princess Of FRANCE Princess Of The West Franks.

Guinidilda married Guifre (Wilfred) The Hairy Count Of Barcelona, son of Sunifred I Of Urgell Count Of Urgell-Cerdanya and Unknown. Guifre died in 897 in Battle.

514840859042. Armengol De TOULOUSE died about 937.

Armengol married Adelaide Of TOULOUSE, daughter of Eudes Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Garsinde De ALBI. Adelaide was born about 858.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429521       i.  Adelaide De TOULOUSE (died about November 954)


514840859043. Adelaide Of TOULOUSE, daughter of Eudes Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Garsinde De ALBI, was born about 858.

Adelaide married Armengol De TOULOUSE. Armengol died about 937.

514840859044. Raymond II Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse, son of Eudes Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Garsinde De ALBI, died in 924.

Raymond married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429522       i.  Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse (born in 921 in <Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France> - died in 960)


514840859052. Berenger De MELGUEIL,2700 son of Bernard I Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion and Unknown, was born about 905 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France.

Berenger married Gisele. Gisele was born about 909 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429526       i.  Bernard II Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion (born about 933 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France - died in 989 in Substantion Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France)


514840859053. Gisele was born about 909 in France.

Gisele married Berenger De MELGUEIL,2700 son of Bernard I Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion and Unknown. Berenger was born about 905 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France.

514840859080. Sibling Of Fulk I De ANJOU,415,2905 son of Ingelger I Comte D' Orleans & ANJOU Count Of Anjou And Orleans and Countess Of Anjou Adelaide De GASTINOIS, was born about 875 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

Sibling married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429540       i.  Renaud De Roucy Comte De SOISSONS (born before 901 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died after 941 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle))


514840859084. Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT,415,1444,1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 son of Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU and Irmengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Reginar/Regnier I, Margrave between the Meuse and the Scheldt, also Count of Hainault, the Hesbaye and several other areas in Lotharingia (modern Lorraine); lay Abbot or temporal guardian of the Abbeys of St Servais de Maestricht, St Maximin, Chevremont, Echternach and Stavelot. [Burke's Peerage]

------------

Regnier I, d. aft. 25 Oct 915, bef. 19 Jan 916, Count of Hainault; m. (2) Alberade of Mons; m. (1) Hersent of France, dau. of Charles II. [Ancestral Roots line 140-17]

Note: Stewart Baldwin reports on speculation that Reginar was also married to Erentrude of France. She would probably be his 2nd wife. See notes under Ermentrude.

Note: Turton has Regnier married (apparently as his only wife) to Albreda, who may be Alberade of Mons, his 2nd or 3rd wife.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 916. 2112

Régnier married Hersent, Princess De FRANCE 2943 in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Hersent, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Régnier next married Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,1784,2944,2949 daughter of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, about 890 in 2ND Wife - Possibly.2944 Ermentrude was born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.2949 Other names for Ermentrude were Ermentrude Von FRANCIA, and2950 Ermentrude Of West FRANKS.

Régnier next married Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS 1784,2112,2943 about 896 in 2ND Wife 2945.,2948 Alberade was born about 880 in Mons, Lorraine, France and died in 916 2945,2951 about age 36. Other names for Alberade were Alberade Of LORRAINE, Albreda Of LORRAINE, Alberade Of MONS, and Albrada De MONS.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 919. 1784

514840859085. Hersent, Princess De FRANCE,415,1444,2943,2948,2951,3062 daughter of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Hersent, married Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT 1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Régnier was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

514840859086. Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1598,1601,1746,2314,2315,2316 son of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 919-936.

Heinrich married Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM 1601,2316,2319,2320 in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Matilda, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.

Heinrich next married Hatheburg Countess Of MERSEBURG 1601 about 905 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany>. Hatheburg was born in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> and died in Y.

514840859087. Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2316,2319,2320 daughter of Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM and Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.

General Notes:
Daughter of Count Dietrich of Westphalia and Reinhild of Denmark, she was raised by her grandmother, abbess of the Eufurt. In 913, Matilda left the abbey, and married of King Henry the Fowler of Saxony, who had received an annulment from a previous marriage. Mother of Otto, Holy Roman Emporer; Henry the Quarrelsome, Duke of Bavaria; Saint Bruno, Archbishop of Cologne; Gerberga, wife of King Louis IV of France; Hedwig, mother of Hugh Capet. Betrayed by Otto after Henry the Fowler's death when he falsely accused her of financial mismanagement. Founded several Benedictine. Well known throughout the realm for her generosity, she taught the ignorant, comforted the sick, and visited prisoners. 1741

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 14 May 968. 1784

Matilda, married Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1598,1601,2315,2316 in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Heinrich was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.

514840859104. Gerhard Count Von METZ,415 son of Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE and Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 927 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

Gerhard married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429552       i.  Richard Count Von METZ (born about 948 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died before 986)


514840859200. Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2112,2123,3063 son of Baudouin I "Iron Arm" Count Of FLANDERS and Queen Of England Judith Princess Of FRANCE Princess Of The West Franks, was born about 865 in Flanders, France 3064 and died on 10 September 918 2112,2123,3063 about age 53. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin II Count Of FLANDERS.

Baudouin married Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND 1601,2112,2123,3063 in 884.3064 Aelfthryth was born about 872 in Wessex, England and died on 7 June 929 2112,3064,3065 about age 57. Other names for Aelfthryth were Alfritha, Ælfthryth Of WESSEX, Elfrida, Aelftrud, Ethelswitha Of WESSEX, and Elftrudis Of WESSEX.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429600       i.  Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders (born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium - died on 27 March 964)

514840858918      ii.  Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE (born about 893 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died on 13 November 933 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France)


514840859201. Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2123,3063 daughter of Alfred "The Great" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Elswitha Of Mercia, Queen Of GAINI, was born about 872 in Wessex, England and died on 7 June 929 2112,3064,3065 about age 57. Other names for Aelfthryth were Alfritha, Ælfthryth Of WESSEX, Elfrida, Aelftrud, Ethelswitha Of WESSEX, and Elftrudis Of WESSEX.

Aelfthryth married Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS 1601,2112,2123,3063 in 884.3064 Baudouin was born about 865 in Flanders, France 3064 and died on 10 September 918 2112,2123,3063 about age 53. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin II Count Of FLANDERS.

514840859202. Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,2900,3066 son of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

Herbert married Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE 1526,1601,1784,2546 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Liegarde was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Sprota (Adela) De SENLIS was born about 913 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 945 about age 32.

257420429601      ii.  Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS (born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France)

                 iii.  Odo, Count Of AMIENS was born in 910.1436

                  iv.  Count Of Tours Herbert De VERMANDOIS was born about 911 in Of, Vermandois, Neustria, died on 28 December 993 about age 82, and was buried in Abbaye DE Lagny, France.

514839164912       v.  Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS (born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 8 September 987 in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France)

257420429766      vi.  Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES (born about 920 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died on 29 August 968 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France)

257420435479     vii.  Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS (born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 9 February 978-979, buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France)

                viii.  Eudes Count Of VIENNOIS was born about 916 in Of, Vermandois, Neustria and died after 19 June 946.

                  ix.  Hugues Archbishop Of REIMS was born in 920 in Vermandois, Normandy, France and died in 962 at age 42.

Herbert next married Adela Of NEUSTRIA, daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adèle Queen Of FRANCE. Adela was born in 890.


514840859203. Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1784,2546 daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adelaide D' ALSACE, was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Liegarde married Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS 1526,1601,2900,3066 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Herbert was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

514840859204. Billung Count Of SAXONY 415,1601,1746,1784,2844 was born about 890 in Stubeckshorn, Lower Saxony, Germany and died on 26 May 967 1784,2844 about age 77.

Billung married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Wickmann Count Of ENGERN was born about 910 in Engern, Germany and died on 23 April 944 in (Killed) about age 34. Another name for Wickmann was Wichmann BILLUNG Count Of Engern.

257420429602      ii.  Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony (born about 922 of Saxony, Germany - died on 27 March 973)

                 iii.  Amelung Bishop Of VERDEN was born in 880 in , , , Saxony and died in 962 in , Verden, Hanover, Prussia at age 82.


514840859216. Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,415,2918,3024,3047 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg, was born in 885 in Sweden and died about 964 about age 79. Another name for Olaf was Olaf BJORNSSON.

General Notes:
On the throne in 850 during Ansgar's second visit to Sweden. Died suddenly during a banquet. [WBH - Sweden]

King of Sweden when Anskar made his second visit. Reconquered Kurland and made the Chori pay him tribute. He may not have been the only king in Sweden at this time. [A History of the Vikings, p. 78]

Co-king of Sweden; son of King Emund Erikson; father of:
1. Styrbjorn the Strong who m. Tyre of Denmark

[http://www.genealogy.com/~brigitte/thereoff/sweden.txt]

Received the missionary Ansgar in Birka 854. [Yvonne Korn <[email protected]]

Son of Bjorn'the Old' of Sweden Eriksson and Ingeborg; m. Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; father of:
1. Gyrid (Gunhilda Olafsson who m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson and Herbastus de Crepon
2. Styrbiorn of Sweden Olafsson who m. Thyra Haraldsdottir. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]

Olaf married Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, daughter of Thrand Of NORWAY and Unknown. Ingeborg was born in 886 in Uppsala, Sweden and died in 932 at age 46.

514840859217. Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR,415 daughter of Thrand Of NORWAY and Unknown, was born in 886 in Uppsala, Sweden and died in 932 at age 46.

Ingeborg married Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN,2918,3024,3047 son of Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg. Olaf was born in 885 in Sweden and died about 964 about age 79. Another name for Olaf was Olaf BJORNSSON.

514840859218. Harold VII Bluetooth GORMSON King Of Denmark,1062,2721 son of Gorm "The Old" Haraldsson King Of DENMARK and Thyra "Ornament Of Denmark" DANEBOD Queen Of Denmark, was born in 910 in Blauzahn, Germany, died on 1 November 986 in Jomsborg, Denmark at age 76, and was buried in Roskilde, Denmark. Another name for Harold was Harald III 'Bluetooth'.

General Notes:
King of Denmark, 940-85, who consolidated the Danish realm as a unitary kingdom. Temporarily (974-83) lost southern Jutland to Holy Roman Emperor Otto II. Harold secured all Denmark under his control and extended his rule to much of Norway. Baptized in 960 and thus introducing Christianity into Denmark, he
had the famous Jelling rune stone erected in his parents' memory. Harold was fatally wounded during a rebellion by his son and successor, Sweyn I. [Funk & Wagnalls]

Father of Thyra. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5]

When Harald Gormson, king of Denmark, had adopte dChristianity, he sent a message over all his kingdom that all people should be baptized, and converted to the true faith. He himself followed his message, and used power and violence where nothing else would do. He sent two erls, Urguthrjot and Brimilskjar, with many peopel to Norway, to proclaim Christianity there. In Viken, which stood directly under the king's power, this succeeded, and many were baptized of the country folk. But when Svein Forkedbeard, immediately after his father King Harald's death, went out on war expeditions in Saxland, Frisland, and at last in England, the Northmen who had taken up Christianity returned back to heathen sacrifices, jsut as before; and the people in the north of the ocuntry did the same. . [Heimskringla: The Chronicle of the Kings of Norway - King Olaf Trygvason's Saga: Part II, chap. 59]

b. 910, Denmark, d. 1 Nov 987, Denmark; son of Gorm Del Gammel Haraldsson and Sida; m.c. 934 Gunhild; m.c. 938 Thora of the Obotrites; m.c. 947 Gyrithe Olafsdottir; m.c. 965 Cyrid. [Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

Harold married Gunhild about 934 in Denmark. Gunhild was born about 917 in Denmark.

Harold next married Cynthia De CREPON. Cynthia was born in 914 in Normandy, France.

Harold next married Thora Of The OBOTRITES about 938 in Denmark. Thora was born about 920. Another name for Thora was Tove.

Harold next married Gyrid OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, about 947 in Denmark. Gyrid was born in 905 in Sverige, Sweden. Another name for Gyrid was Gyrithe.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429609       i.  Thyra HARALDSDOTTIR Queen Of Norway (born in 927 in Denmark - died on 18 September 1000 in Norway)

                  ii.  Erik 'Hring' HARALDSSON was born about 952 in Denmark.

                 iii.  Sweyn I The Forkbeard TJUGUSKEG King Of Denmark was born in 958 in Denmark,3022 died from 2 February 1013 to 1014 in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England 3067 at age 55, and was buried in Roskilde Cathedral, Roskilde, Denmark. Another name for Sweyn was Svend I Gabelbart König Von Dänemark.


514840859219. Gyrid OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 905 in Sverige, Sweden. Another name for Gyrid was Gyrithe.

General Notes: Dau. of Olaf Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon and Harald III Bluetooth. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 Dec 2001] THIS SOURCE SAYS THE SAME WOMAN, GYRID/GUNHILDA MARRIED BOTH HERBASTUS AND BLUETOOTH; I THINK THEY ARE TWO WOMEN AS THEY ARE HAVING BABIES WITH BOTH MEN AT THE SAME TIME.

Dau. of Olaf II Bjornsson and Ingeborg Thrandsdottir; m.c. 947, Harald II Gormsson. [Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

b. 905; dau of Ingeberg Thrandsdottir and Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden; m. Harald I 'Blue Tooth' Gormsson, King of Denmark. [Larry Overmire <[email protected], 2 Apr 2003]

Gyrid married Harold VII Bluetooth GORMSON King Of Denmark,1062,2721 son of Gorm "The Old" Haraldsson King Of DENMARK and Thyra "Ornament Of Denmark" DANEBOD Queen Of Denmark, about 947 in Denmark. Harold was born in 910 in Blauzahn, Germany, died on 1 November 986 in Jomsborg, Denmark at age 76, and was buried in Roskilde, Denmark. Another name for Harold was Harald III 'Bluetooth'.


514840859224. Malcolm (Mael-Coluim) I King Of SCOTS,415,1416,3068 son of Domnall II (Donald II) King Of SCOTS and Unknown, was born in 897 in Scotland and died in 954 in Fetteresson, Kincardineshire, Scotland (Killed By Men Of Moray) 1416,3068 at age 57. Another name for Malcolm was Malcolm I King Of SCOTLAND.

General Notes:
Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill), the son of Donald I of Scotland, became the King of Scotland in 942 or 943 after his cousin King Constantine II of Scotland abdicated and became a monk.

Malcolm was a prince of great abilities and prudence, and Edmund I of England courted his alliance by ceding Cumbria, the consisting of Cumberland and part of Westmorland, to him, in the year 945, on condition that he would defend that northern county, and become an ally of Edmund. This, therefore, required Scotland to send military support if England was attacked by either the Danes of Northumbria or the Norwegians of Ireland. The alliance between England and Scotland remained after the death of both kings.

Edred of England, the brother and successor of Edmund, accordingly applied for, and obtained, the aid of Malcolm against Anlaf, king of Northumberland, whose country, according to the barbarous practice of the times, he wasted, and carried off the people with their cattle.

Later, when Norsemen again invaded the land, the Scots sent raids against the English and, in 954, Edred reunited the northern counties to his dominions.

In this same year, after putting down an insurrection of the Moray-men under Cellach, their Maormor (chief), whom he killed, Malcolm was slain, probably at Ulurn or Auldearn in Moray, by one of these men, in revenge for the death of his chief. He was buried on the Isle of Iona.

At some point in his life, he married. But as was the case with many monarchs in this period, the details are no longer known. A son from this marriage would later succeed to the throne as Kenneth II of Scotland. 3069

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 943-954

Malcolm married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Dub (Dubh\Duff) King Of SCOTS was born in 930 in Scotland and died in 966 in Scotland at age 36. Another name for Dub was Duff King Of SCOTLAND.

257420429612      ii.  Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS (born in 932 in Scotland - died in 995 in Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland (Killed By His Men))


514840859520. Judicael (Juhel) I Comte De RENNES,415 son of Erispoe Duke Of BRITTANY and Unknown, was born about 845 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 888 about age 43.

Judicael married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420429760       i.  Berenger Comte De RENNES (born about 875 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France - died in 930)


514840859522. Berenger Count De BAYEUX,415,1444,1601,1746,2556,2778,3070 son of Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland and Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI, was born in 847 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 886 in Viking Attack At Bayeaux, Normandy, France 1447,2778 at age 39. Other names for Berenger were Berenger De Senlis, Count Of BAYEUX, Pépin III Bérenger De Senlis, Comte De BAYEUX, and Berenguer De RENNES.

General Notes: killed by Rollo of Normandy & daughter Poppa taken as wife.

Berenger married Mrs-Bérenger De BAYEUX 1601 in <Evreux, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Bérenger was born about 852 of Bayeux, Neustria and died in Y.

Berenger next married Miss De RENNES. Miss was born about 855 in Rennes, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429769       i.  Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy (born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France - died about 938 in France)

257420429761      ii.  Daughter Of Berenger De BAYEUX (born about 880 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France)

Berenger next married Adela De VERMANDOIS, daughter of Guy De SENLIS and Adela De VERMANDOIS.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Judith Of BAYEUX. Another name for Judith was Judith Av RENNES.

Berenger next married.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  De RENNES was born about 880.


514840859523. Miss De RENNES,415 daughter of Gurwant De RENNES and Miss De BRITTANY, was born about 855 in Rennes, France.

Miss married Berenger Count De BAYEUX 1601.,2778 Berenger was born in 847 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 886 in Viking Attack At Bayeaux, Normandy, France 1447,2778 at age 39. Other names for Berenger were Berenger De Senlis, Count Of BAYEUX, Pépin III Bérenger De Senlis, Comte De BAYEUX, and Berenguer De RENNES.

514840859532. Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,2900,3066 son of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

Herbert married Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE 1526,1601,1784,2546 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Liegarde was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Herbert next married Adela Of NEUSTRIA, daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adèle Queen Of FRANCE. Adela was born in 890.

514840859533. Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1784,2546 daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adelaide D' ALSACE, was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Liegarde married Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS 1526,1601,2900,3066 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Herbert was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

514840859536. Rognvald "The Wise" Eysteinsson , Jarl Of MORE Jarl Of More,415,1444,1601,1746,2253,3071,3072,3073 son of Eystein "The Chatterer" Ivarsson NORWAY Jarl Of The Upplands and Countess Of Uppland Ascrida (Aseda) Rognvaldsdatter NORWAY, was born about 840 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738 died in 890 in (Burned Alive With His Bodyguards In His Hall) 2738,3071,3072 about age 50, and was buried in Sydero, Dornoch Firth, Caithness, Scotland. Other names for Rognvald were Jarl=Earl, Malahulcius [Latinized], Malahultis, MAEREN AND ROMSDAL, Rognwald, Earl Of MORE [In Norway], 01st Jarl Of ORKNEY Rognvald "Wise" Eysteinsson, and 02nd Jarl Of ORKNEY Sigurd I Riki Eysteinsson.

General Notes:
NORSE PREDECESSORS of the EARLS of ORKNEY - subject to King of Norway until after 1379

RAGNVALD I the Wise, called the Morejarl, son of Eystein Glumra, Jarl of the Uplanders in Norway, grandson of Ivar son of Halfdan the Old, was made Jarl of North and South More and of Raumsdal in Norway by King Harald Haarfagri after his victory of Solskiel circa 869 over Hunthiof, King of More, and Nokve, King of Raumsdal. In that year he surprised Vermund, King of Fiordeland, at Notsdal and burned him in his hall with 90 men. Later King Harald married his sister Swanhilda and had issue, In (?) 874 King Harald made an expedition to the Nordreys (Orkney and Shetland) to enforce his authority over those who had fled thither in order to escape from it in Norway. Either during this expedition or previously at the battle of Hafrsfiord circa 872 Ivar, the eldest son of Ragnvald, was killed and the King gave the Orkneys and Shetlands to Ragnvald as compensation. When the King started home for Norway, (?) Spring 875, Ragnvald, who went with him, gave the islands to his brother Sigurd, and the King confirmed the transfer, Ragnvald was surprised in his hall and burned alive circa 894 by Halfdan Haaleg and Gudred Liomi, King Harald's sons by Snaefrid, dau. of Swasi.

By his wife Ragnhild, dau. of Hrolf Nefia, he had 3 sons: Ivar, who was killed in battle ut supra, Rolf the Ganger, afterwards 1st Duke of Normandy, and Thori the Silent, who was made Jarl of More in succession to his father by King Harald Haarfagri circa 894, after Gudred Liomi, who had seized More on the death of Jarl Ragnvald, had been dispossessed by the King. By an earlier union with a nameless girl, whose kindred were all slave-born, Ragnvald had 3 sons, described as bastards: Hallad, 4th Earl of Orkney, Turf-Einar, 5th Earl of Orkney, and Hrollaug, an unwarlike man, who settled at Eyiafiord in Iceland and had issue. [Complete Peerage, X:Appendix A:3-4]

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Rogenwald was a supporter of King Harold Harfagr, and assisted him in obtaining the mastery over the other independent Norwegian chiefs, and in establishing himself as King of all Norway. He was Earl of More and Raumdahl in Norway, and in 888, he obtained from King Harold a grant of the Orkney and Shetland islands. One of his sons, Rollo, conquered Neustria, founded the line of sovereign Dukes of Normandy, and was ancestor to William the Conqueror. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 492, Sinclair, Earl of Orkney]

Rognvald married Countess Of More Hilda (Ragnhild) Hrolfsdatter NORWAY 1601,3071,3074 about 858 in , Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway.2738 Hilda was born about 848 in Orkney, Orkney Islands, Scotland.2738 Other names for Hilda were Hilda, Hildir, Hildr, Ragnhild, and Rognhild.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Ivar ROGNVALDSSON was born about 859 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and died in 874 in Orkney Islands, Scotland (Dsp) 3074 about age 15.

                  ii.  Earl Of Orkney Einar "Turf" Rognvaldsson NORWAY was born about 852 in Of, Maer, More Og Romsdal, Norway and died in 910 in , Orkney, Orkney Islands, Scotland about age 58.

257420429768     iii.  Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY (born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway - died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

                  iv.  Thorir "The Silent" Rognvaldsson NORWAY Jarl Of More was born about 872 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. Other names for Thorir were Thori, Thorer, and Jarl Of MOERE.

                   v.  Hallad ROGNVALDSSON Jarl Of Orkney was born about 857 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and died after 893 in Norway (Abandoned His Jarldom Of Orkney) 3072. Another name for Hallad was 04th Jarl Of ORKNEY Hallad Rognvaldsson.

                  vi.  Hrollager (Hrollaug) NORWAY was born in 860 in Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway and died in Y.

                 vii.  Thordis NORWAY was born in 862 in Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway and died in Y.

                viii.  Aseda Of JUTLAND.

Rognvald next married Early MISTRESS 3072 in No Marriage.3072 Early was born about 840 in Norway.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hallad ROGNVALDSSON Jarl Of Orkney was born about 857 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and died after 893 in Norway (Abandoned His Jarldom Of Orkney) 3072. Another name for Hallad was 04th Jarl Of ORKNEY Hallad Rognvaldsson.

                  ii.  Einar I "Turf" ROGNVALDSSON Jarl Of Orkney was born about 858 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and died in 920 in Orkney Islands, Scotland about age 62. Another name for Einar was 05th Jarl Of ORKNEY Einar "Turf" Rognvaldsson.

                 iii.  Hrollaug (Hrollager) ROGNVALDSSON Of Eyiafiord was born about 859 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and died in Eyiafiord, Iceland 3072.

Rognvald next married Concubine #1 Miss Rognvald EYSTEINSSON.1601 Miss was born in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.

Rognvald next married Miss Rognvald EYSTEINSSON. Miss was born about 834 in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.

Rognvald next married Concubine #3 Of Orkney Miss Rognvald EYSTEINSSON.1601 Miss was born in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.

Rognvald next married Concubine #4 Of Orkney Miss Rognvald EYSTEINSSON.1601 Miss was born in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.

Rognvald next married Ermina.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Turf Einar Rognvaldsson Turf, Earl Of ORKNEY was born in 852.

                  ii.  Hrollager Rongvaldsson Of MAER was born about 860. Another name for Hrollager was Hrollaug.

Rognvald next married Groa Princess Of TRONDHEIM 1601 about 877 in Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway. Groa was born in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.


514840859537. Countess Of More Hilda (Ragnhild) Hrolfsdatter NORWAY,415,1444,1601,1746,3071,3074 daughter of Hrolf NEFJA (NEFIA) Sea King and Mrs-Hrolf NEFJA, was born about 848 in Orkney, Orkney Islands, Scotland.2738 Other names for Hilda were Hilda, Hildir, Hildr, Ragnhild, and Rognhild.

Hilda married Rognvald "The Wise" Eysteinsson , Jarl Of MORE Jarl Of More 1601,2253,3071,3072,3073 about 858 in , Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway.2738 Rognvald was born about 840 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738 died in 890 in (Burned Alive With His Bodyguards In His Hall) 2738,3071,3072 about age 50, and was buried in Sydero, Dornoch Firth, Caithness, Scotland. Other names for Rognvald were Jarl=Earl, Malahulcius [Latinized], Malahultis, MAEREN AND ROMSDAL, Rognwald, Earl Of MORE [In Norway], 01st Jarl Of ORKNEY Rognvald "Wise" Eysteinsson, and 02nd Jarl Of ORKNEY Sigurd I Riki Eysteinsson.

514840859538. Berenger Count De BAYEUX,415,1444,1601,1746,2556,2778,3070 son of Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland and Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI, was born in 847 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 886 in Viking Attack At Bayeaux, Normandy, France 1447,2778 at age 39. Other names for Berenger were Berenger De Senlis, Count Of BAYEUX, Pépin III Bérenger De Senlis, Comte De BAYEUX, and Berenguer De RENNES.

General Notes: killed by Rollo of Normandy & daughter Poppa taken as wife.

Berenger married Mrs-Bérenger De BAYEUX 1601 in <Evreux, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Bérenger was born about 852 of Bayeux, Neustria and died in Y.

Berenger next married Miss De RENNES. Miss was born about 855 in Rennes, France.

Berenger next married Adela De VERMANDOIS, daughter of Guy De SENLIS and Adela De VERMANDOIS.

Berenger next married.

514840859539. Miss De RENNES,415 daughter of Gurwant De RENNES and Miss De BRITTANY, was born about 855 in Rennes, France.

Miss married Berenger Count De BAYEUX 1601.,2778 Berenger was born in 847 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 886 in Viking Attack At Bayeaux, Normandy, France 1447,2778 at age 39. Other names for Berenger were Berenger De Senlis, Count Of BAYEUX, Pépin III Bérenger De Senlis, Comte De BAYEUX, and Berenguer De RENNES.

514840859540. Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne],415,1011,1601,1746 son of Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE and Perrone Of VERMANDOIS, was born about 846 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died from after 28 January 892 to 893 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France 1011. Another name for Pépin was Pepin I De VERMANDOIS Comte De Senlis.

Pépin married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelaide De VERMANDOIS was born about 862 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.

                  ii.  Pepin II De Vermandois Comte De SENLIS was born about 876 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died about 922 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France 1011 about age 46. Another name for Pepin was Pepin II De VERMANDOIS Comte De Senlis.

257420429770     iii.  Hubert Comte De SENLIS (born about 880 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France - died about 912)




514840861216. Rollo (Thurstan) Of MORE,415,2253 son of Hrollaug (Hrollager) ROGNVALDSSON Of Eyiafiord and Emina, was born about 885 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. Other names for Rollo were Bigod, and Rollo (Thurstan) HROLLAUGSSON.

General Notes:
HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.

Rongwald, like the majority of his countrymen and kinsmen, had several children by a favourite slave, whom he had married "more Danico," and Hrolf Turstain, the son of one of them [I have Hrollaug Rognvaldson as father of Hrolf], having followed his uncle Rollo into Normandy, managed to secure the hand of Gerlotte de Blois, daughter of Thibaut Count of Blois and Chartres, which seems to have been the foundation of this branch of the great Norse family in Normandy, and the stock from which descended the Lords of Briquebec, of Bec-Crispin, of Montfort-sur-Risle, and others who figure as companions of the Conqueror.

Rollo married Gerlotte Of BLOIS,2253 daughter of Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS and Richilde Of BOURGES. Gerlotte was born about 913 in Tillieres, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420430608       i.  Ansfred The DANE (born about 937 in Tillieres, Normandy, France - died about 963)


514840861217. Gerlotte Of BLOIS,415,1444,2253 daughter of Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS and Richilde Of BOURGES, was born about 913 in Tillieres, Normandy, France.

Gerlotte married.



Gerlotte married Rollo (Thurstan) Of MORE,2253 son of Hrollaug (Hrollager) ROGNVALDSSON Of Eyiafiord and Emina. Rollo was born about 885 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. Other names for Rollo were Bigod, and Rollo (Thurstan) HROLLAUGSSON.

514840861218. Godfrey Count Of BEULAC 415 was born about 921 of Tillieres, Normandy, France.

Godfrey married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420430609       i.  Helloe Countess Of BEULAC (born about 942 in Tillieres, Normandy, France)


514840861288. Edulph Of MERCIA,415,505 son of Leofric II Of MERCIA and Unknown, was born about 905 in Mercia, England.

General Notes: This generation is indicated as possible/probable by Turton, in The Plantagenet Ancestry, but is not named.

Edulph married Elfwina Of MERCIA, daughter of Ethelred Duke Of MERCIA and Aethelflaed Of WESSEX Queen Of Mercia. Elfwina was born in 905 in Mercia, England.

The child from this marriage was:

257420430644       i.  Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA (born in 946 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) - died before 1032 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia))


514840861289. Elfwina Of MERCIA,415,505 daughter of Ethelred Duke Of MERCIA and Aethelflaed Of WESSEX Queen Of Mercia, was born in 905 in Mercia, England.

Elfwina married Edulph Of MERCIA, son of Leofric II Of MERCIA and Unknown. Edulph was born about 905 in Mercia, England.

514840861290. Athelstan MANNESSON 415,505,2939 was born in 925 in Mercia, England.

Athelstan married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420430645       i.  Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR (born in 955 in Mercia, England)


514840861298. Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2778,2892,2933,2934 son of Rognvald "The Wise" Eysteinsson , Jarl Of MORE Jarl Of More and Countess Of More Hilda (Ragnhild) Hrolfsdatter NORWAY, was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

General Notes:
Rollo, also called ROLF, or ROU, French ROLLON (b. c. 860--d. c. 932), Scandinavian rover who founded the duchy of Normandy.

911-Under treaty of St Claire received Normandy from Charles III King of France

Making himself independent of King Harald I of Norway, Rollo sailed off to raid Scotland, England, Flanders, and France on pirating expeditions and, about 911, established himself in an area along the Seine River. Charles III the Simple of France held off his siege of Paris, battled him near Chartres, and negotiated the treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, giving him the part of Neustria that came to be called Normandy; Rollo in return agreed to end his brigandage. He gave his son, William I Longsword, governance of the dukedom (927) before his death. Rollo was baptized in 912 but is said to have died a pagan. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1997, ROLLO]

Banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 876.

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The following information, arguing against Rollo's ancestry as I have it (certainly putting it to question), is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected] (Note: I am still sticking with my ancestry, which is based on information in CP, considered a very reliable source, though no source is perfect. I tend to want to stick up for the Norse "legends" contained in the sagas, believing that because they are easy targets, living in a time when there was no writing, many people deny their existence, holding them to the same standard as say "Charlemagne" or other historic figures who were written about by contemporaries.):

I apologize in advance for the length of this.

Rollo "the Ganger" 1st Duke of NORMANDY
911: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Paget p135]
properly Hrolf; known from his stature as Gongu-Hrolf, 'Rolf the walker' because no horse could carry him [Ref: Watney p740]
name: Rolf the Ganger [Ref: Tapsell p202]
911-932: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Tapsell p202]

born: 846 [Ref: Moriarty p10] abt 846 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p11, Watney #740], parents: [Ref: Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11, Paget p135, Watney #740]

married Poppa 886: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

married Gisele of France 912: [Ref: ES II:79, Paget p135]

died: 933 [Ref: ES II:75new] 927 [Ref: Watney 740] 931 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11] 932 [Ref: Paget p135, Tapsell p202] 931 [Ref: Wurts p422]

Rolf, known to his Frankish posterity as Rollo, was probably born of Norwegian stock, being the son of Rognvald, Earl of More, and before his formal establishment in Gaul he had a long career as a Viking, raiding not only in France but also, as it seems, in Scotland and Ireland. In 911, having entered Gaul afresh, perhaps by way of the Loire valley, he was defeated in a pitched battle outside the walls of of Chartres, and it was after this that he and his followers were given lands by the emperor in the valley of the lower Seine. Whether this famous grant of lands and recognition was made (as tradition later asserted) after a formal interview between Charles [King Charles III the Simple of France] and Rolf at Saint-Claire-sur Epte is questionable, and the application of the term 'treaty' to these arrangements is undoubtedly too precise. What, however, is certain is that before 918 Rolf and his followers already held considerable lands in this region, and that they had been formally confirmed in possession of them by the emperor. Equally certain is that in token of the new position he was henceforth to occupy in Gaul, Rolf accepted baptism at the hands of the archbishop of Rouen. [Ref: Wm Conqueror p17]

Rollo (later Robert) "of Normandy" Viking leader in France, d. 928×933. Although he is often referred to as the first duke of Normandy, that title is an anachronism. Probably about 911 [see Douglas 426-31], king Charles the Simple of France ceded a district around the city of Rouen to Rollo, which eventually evolved into the duchy of Normandy. He is said to have been baptized in 912, assuming the Christian name Robert [Dudo ii, 30 (p. 50)]. He was still living in 928, when he was holding Eudes, son of Heribert of Vermandois, as a captive [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 928, see PL 135: 439, van Houts 45], and was probably dead by 933, when his son William was mentioned as leading the Normans [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 933, see PL 135: 445, van Houts 45]. [Ref: Henry Project] note: the citations Douglas, Dudo, Flodoard, PL & van Houts are further identified in the Bibliography at the bottom of this page...Curt

Since the article by Duglas (sic) [Duglas (sic), David, English Historical review 1942, p417-36] seems to be one of the main secondary sources used by many who support the alleged Norwegian origin of Rollo, a brief discussion of Douglas's article is in order.

I agree with Duglas (sic) that the reference to Rollo as "filio Catilli" by Richer of Rheims can be dismissed. Richer used the generally reliable chronicle of Floodoard as a framework, which he then expanded with much legendary material of dubious value. This Catillus is a significant figure in Richer, but is apparently unknown from other sources, and his legendary nature is evident. The statement that Rollo was the son of Catillus is apparently an attempt by Richer to amplify the fame of Catillus (whose existence is doubful) by giving him a famous son.

Duglas (sic) then outlines the well known saga statements regarding Rollo's supposed identification with Ganger-Rolf, son of Rognvald. To support his claim that "Rollo" is an acceptable Latin form for "Hrolfr", Duglas (sic) brings forward a single charter [a charter of Richard II for St. Quen, which predated Dudo and the other later sources, mentions the _atavus Ralphus_ of the Duke] which reads "atavus Rolphus" (not Ralphus) which appears to be referring to Rollo (p.421). However, as Duglas (sic) admits, the charter itself is not above suspicion. Another example mentioned in a footnote is a certain Turstinus fillius Rolv who was apparently the same person as a Turstinus filius Rollonis. This is a very small sample to make the claim that Rollo was a Latin form for Rolf. Just as likely is the possibility that the names Rollo and Ralph were confused in a couple of manuscripts. Since Ralph was such a common name in Normandy and England, we should see a large number of examples of "Rollo" and "Ralph" being used as the same name, if they were in fact the same. Since the number of examples which Douglas was able to produce is so small, it is more likely that some sort of copying mistake was made on the above examples, in which the uncommon name Rollo was accidently replaced by the extremely common (and similar) Ralph. Important negative evidence is not given, for Douglas never mentions that there is a Norse name "Hrollaug" for which "Rollo" is an obvious Latinized form. Since the sagas give Rognvald of More two clearly different sons named Hrollaug and Hrolf, it would be difficult to argue that Hrollaug and Hrolf are supposed to be the same name. The main other piece of evidence Douglas gives for accepting the saga account is the supposed confirmation of a saga statement about Granger-Rolf in the contemporary records. The following statement by Ari is quoted: "Another son of Othere (he says) was Helge. He harried in Scotland and won there as his booty Nithbeorg, daughter of King Beolan and of Kathleen, daughter of Ganger-Rolf." Duglas (sic) then reads between the lines, and states that since Kathleen is a Celtin name, her mother would almost certainly be a Christian. He then turns to the nearly contemporary "Lament for the Death of William Longsword", which states that William was born outside France of a Christian mother at a time when his father was still pagan. He then states: "The suggestion of the Landnamabok is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century. The fact would seem to be a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf." The first sentence in the above quote is completely false. There is not a single detail in the quote from Ari which is confirmed by the statement in "Lament for the death ..." This argument used by Duglas (sic), in which he deduces an additional statement not in the original, so that there is something which can be "confirmed" is unacceptable. The fact that Douglas would refer to such an argument as "powerful" only serves to emphasize how weak his argument really is. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 7 Dec 1996] (Note: "Duglas" referred to above is actually spelled Douglas. David C. Douglas, Fellow of the British Academy, Emeritus Professor of History, University of Bristol, Ford's Lecturer to the University of Oxford & editor of a series of studies of the English monarchs...Curt)

According to the Orkneying Saga (late twelfth century), Rognvald, jarl of More in Norway, was the father (among others) of a certain Hrolf, who became the first duke of Normandy, and is therefore intended to be identified with the historical Viking Rollo, who appears in the contemporary Frankish annals of the tenth century. Those who accept this view base their argument on these late Icelandic sources. In my opinion, the Icelandic sources are worthless for early Norman history, and should be rejected as a source for Rollo's parentage. Some of the basic reasons for this opinion are as follows:

1. The Icelandic sources are both late and foreign when it comes to Norman history. Other than the very well known fact that William the Conqueror was descended from the dukes of Normandy, the Icelandic sources do not offer a single fact about early Norman history which can be corroborated in the contemporary continental sources. In fact, the Icelandic sources say remarkably little about early Norman history, which is suspicious for a source which supposedly knows the origin of Rollo.

2. The Norman sources, which are both native and considerably earlier than the Icelandic sources, tell a completely different story about the origin of Rollo, who is said to be of Danish origin. Even though some of the early Norman sources (such as Dudo) have been criticized for their innacuracy (and for deliberate embellishment), it is still reasonable to suppose that early native sources would be more reliable on the matter of Rollo's origin than late foreign sources.

3. Unfortunately, the early tenth century is not well covered by the Frankish sources. However, even though the Norman sources have clearly embellished and romanticized the material on Rollo, the story of a Danish origin for Rollo fits quite well with what the Frankish sources for the late ninth century (a better covered period) say about the Danish invasions during that earlier period.

4. Contrary to what has been frequently claimed, the names Hrolf and Rollo do not appear to be the same. The Norse name Hrollaug, which is a different name (see #5), is the name which would have "Rollo" as a reasonable Latinization. The claim that "Hrolf" was Latinized as "Rollo" by mistake is unlikely, because the Franks were quite familiar with the name, and a different Viking raider named Hrolf from the ninth century has his name correctly Latinized as "Rodulf" in the contemporary ninth century sources.

5. Fifth, and most important, the Icelandic sources give Rognvald of More several sons two of whom are Hrolf, allegedly the same as the founder of Normandy, and Hrollaug, an early Icelandic settler. First, this shows that Hrolf and Hrollaug were regarded as different names. However, it also causes a big problem in the Icelandic story. If we are to believe the Icelandic account, Hrolf went to Normandy, where he was then known as Rollo/Hrollaug, i.e., the name of Hrolf's brother. If the Icelandic story were true, why would both the Frankish and Norman sources both refer to "Hrolf" by the name of his brother Hrollaug? (Claiming that the Icelandic sources were almost right, and that Rollo of Normandy was the same as Hrollaug son of Rognvald, is not feasible, because Hrollaug's role as an early settler of Iceland clearly marks him as a different person from Rollo of Normandy.) I would like to see this problem explained away by someone supporting position that Rollo was Rognvald's son. By the way, this last point (#5) has, to my knowledge, not been mentioned before (except by me in previous postings on the same subject), and I therefore have an obvious personal interest in knowing if this particular point has been mentioned by others. If point #5 has already been made somewhere else in the literature, I would be interested in having the reference.

Thus, in my opinion, for the reasons given above, Rollo of Normandy was was probably not the son of Rognvald of More, and his parentage should be
regarded as unknown. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 1998]

also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess.

It is more likely that the title "Duke" is a tenth or eleventh century construct, as even the title count was not introduced until later documents, usually refered as count of Rouen. Neither Rollo or his son William Longsword issued many written instruments - certainly none that survive in the original.

Rollo the Dane, also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert. Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess. In the reign of Charles II, the Bald, he sailed up the Seine River and took Rouen, which he kept as a base of operations. He gained a number of victories over the Franks, and extorted the cession of the province since called Normandy. By the famous treaty which Charles the Bald and Rollo signed the latter agreed to adopt Christianity. He was born in 846 and died in 932, and was buried in the Cathedral at Rouen. He married (1) Gisla, daughter of Charles the Simple, King of France, no issue; (2) Lady Poppa de Valois, (means puppet or little doll), daughter of Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berenger (Berenarius) of Bretagne, Count of Bayeux, and sister of Bernard of St. Liz (Senlis), also recorded as Berenger, Count of Bayeux. Rollo lived with her for some time before the marriage. [Ref: McBride2]

Dudo (contemporary with Rollo's grandson Richard I and informed by Richard's half-brother) states that Rollo was a Dane and had a brother whose name (I forget the form Dudo used) can be interpreted as Gorm or Guthorm. He portrays him as an extremely active individual rampaging, sacking, looting, and then being bought off by the French king to stop other vikings from doing the same, being baptized as Robert.

The Orkneyinga saga, which dates from a good bit after the time of William the Conqueror (great-grandson of Richard I and great-great-great-grandson of Rollo) says that the Jarl of Orkney had a brother Hrolf the Walker, who conquered Normandy and was ancestor of the Norman kings of England. It explains the nickname as indicating that he was so fat he could not ride a horse. He is a Norwegian, and had numerous brothers (including, oddly enough, one named Rollo), but none named Gorm or Guthorm.

Now there are no absolute answers here, but one thing is clear. The accounts of Dudo and of the Orkneyinga saga are completely incompatable. Every single detail, other than that the man conquered Normandy, - name, ethnicity, physical characteristics, siblings, are all different. Obviously one of these sources is in error. Both contain material which is demonstrably false, and which has been used in the past to discredit them. However, Dudo probably actually knew people who knew Rollo, and it is difficult to come up with a motive for falsification of these details (why bother substituting danish for norwegian, for example) while the Orkneyinga saga author had no such direct connection, and furthermore had motive to invent such an ancient connection, to further glorify the family are the center of his tale. Still, nothing of this sort is certain, but given what each of the sources have to say, you have to give the nod to Dudo, which would mean that Rollo would not be identical to the Hrolf of the saga, and the claim that he was the founder of Normandy must rest on some sort of mistaken identity or intentional forgery. [Ref: TAF 27 Feb 2002]

Hrólfr (son of Rognvaldr) is, often (but dubiously) identified with Rollo of Normandy [Ref: Henry Project]
Below is from the Henry Project, compiled by Stewart Baldwin at http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rollo000.htm
Commentary
Supposed father: Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre.
Supposed mother: Ragnhildr or Hildr.

The origin of Rollo is contraversial. There are several medieval sources which claim to give information about the origin of Rollo, the most widely repeated of which would make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre by Ragnhildr or Hildr. As can be seen from the following brief notices, the various primary sources offer very contradictory information about Rollo's origin.

The earliest author to attribute an explicit origin to Rollo was Richer of Rheims, writing between 996 and 998, who called Rollo the son of another Viking invader of France named Catillus (presumably representing the Norse name Ketil) [Richer i, 28 (see PL 138: 35)]. Since Catillus appears to be a legendary individual, this account has generally been discredited, probably correctly [see Douglas 420-1].

According to Dudo of St. Quentin (writing early 11th century), author of the earliest history of the Normans, Rollo had a younger brother named Gurim, presumed to be the familiar name Gorm. Dudo states that Rollo and Gurim were sons of a man who held many lands in "Dacia" (Dudo's word for Denmark, following other authors), and that after the death of the (unnamed) father of Rollo and Gurim, the king of Dacia fought against the sons, killing Gurim and driving Rollo out [Dudo ii, 2-4 (pp. 26-7)]. Dudo later refers to duke Richard I as being related to a "king of Dacia" named Haigrold [Dudo iv, 84-88 (pp. 114-20 passim)], who must have been the Viking raider of France of that name [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 945, see PL 135: 463-4, van Houts 51], and not king Harald "Bluetooth" of Denmark. Note that Gurim cannot be the famous Gorm "the Old" of Denmark, who survived Rollo by many years.
William of Malmesbury (early 12th century) appears to be the earliest author to attribute a Norwegian origin to Rollo [WM ii, 5 (p. 125)].

As is well known, the Orkneyinga Saga (late twelfth century) [OrkS 4 (pp. 29-30)], followed by other Icelandic sources (such as the well known Heimskringla and Landnámabók), gives Rollo the name Hrólfr, and make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre, and brother of (among others) jarl Torf-Einarr of the Orkneys [OI 1: 187]. Earlier sources, such as Ari's Íslendingabók (early to middle 12th century), mention Rognvald of Møre and his son Hrollaugr who settled in Iceland, but not the supposed connection to the dukes of Normandy [Ari 49, 61]. A poem allegedly written by Einar mentions his brothers, including a Hrólfr, but does not connect Hrólfr to Normandy, and does not name a Gorm among the brothers. (See ...Rognvaldr for more on this poem.)

Historia Gruffud vab Kenan (ca. 1250), apparently a Welsh translation and/or revision of an earlier Latin life of Gruffudd ap Cynan, gives Haraldr Hárfagri of Norway ("Harald Harfagyr") a brother named Rodulf (i.e., the Latin form of Hrólfr) who is called the founder of Normandy [HGK, 3-4]. However, this is evidently a corrupt version of the Scandinavian version, and the suggestion that Rollo was a brother of Haraldr Hárfagri need not be given any credence.

The most prominent argument of the case for accepting the Scandinavian account that Rollo was the same person as Hrólfr, son of Rognvaldr of Møre, was given by D. C. Douglas [Douglas 419-23], and those who accept this identification have generally followed the same arguments. On the other side, arguments against the identification were given by Viggo Starcke in his book Denmark in World History [Starcke 222-7].

Most of the argument of Douglas consists of accepting the tale of the sagas and rejecting evidence from the Norman sources which contradict the saga version, while explaining away the problems (on which more below). The evidence which Douglas puts forward as "a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf" concerns a passage in Landnáamabók that refers to a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr:
"... Annarr son Óttars vas Helge; hann herjaðe á Skottland, ok feck þar at herfange Niðbiorgo, dóttor Beolans konungs ok Caðlínar, dóttor Gongo-Hrólfs" (Another son of Óttarr was Helge. He harried in Scotland, and won there as his booty Niðbjorg, daughter of king Beolan and Caðlín, daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr.) [OI 1: 66-7]
This passage, which Douglas attributed to "Ari the Learned" (who may or may not have been the author), is then compared with a passage from the nearly contemporary Plaintsong of Rollo's son William "Longsword" which was written soon after William's death:

"Hic in orbe transmarino natus patre
in errore paganorum permanente
matre quoque consignata alma fide
sacra fuit lotus unda"

(Born overseas from a father who stuck to the pagan error and from a mother who was devoted to the sweet religion, he was blessed with the holy chrism.)
[Douglas 422 (Latin); van Houts 41 (English translation)]

After explaining that the two stories are consistent with one another, Douglas then state that "[t]he suggestion of the Landnámabók is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century." While it is true that the two accounts as they stand are consistent with each other and with the claim that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man (ignoring all other evidence), it is surely a gross overstatement to claim that the Plaintsong "confirms" the other account, for there is not a single statement in the passage from Landnámabók that is confirmed by the Plaintsong. This is a clear case of circular reasoning, for without first assuming that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man, there is no evidence that the two passages have any relation whatsoever. Douglas's case is further undermined by the fact that another source [Laxdœla Saga chapter 32, see OI 1: 246] makes Niðbjorg's mother Caðlín a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr, son of Oxna-Þórir, directly contradicting the thesis that Caðlín was supposedly a granddaughter of Rognvaldr of Møre. Yet, Douglas apparently regarded this as the strongest part of his argument.

There are three main strands of evidence (somewhat related to each other) against the identification of Rollo with Hrólfr son of Rognvaldr:

1. The discrepancies between the Norman and Icelandic sources.
Among other contradictions, the Norman sources give Rollo a brother named Gurim, while the Icelandic sources give Hrólfr several brothers, none of them named Gormr (the presumed Old-Norse form for Gurim). Although both of the sources have their problems, earlier native sources would seem to have a higher priority than later foreign sources. While many elements of the Dudo's account are clearly legendary, there appears to be no clear motive on the part of Dudo (writing less than a century after Rollo's death) to invent a younger brother for Rollo who is then immediately killed off.

2. The general unreliability of Norse source for the early tenth century.
For the period under consideration, i.e., the early ninth century, the sagas have a poor record for reliability, even for Scandinavian history. For example, consider the following words of Peter Sawyer (written with regard to a different matter, but true in general), a well known expert on early Viking history: "... These sagas cannot, however, be accepted as reliable sources for the tenth century. The only trustworthy evidence for the tenth century in those sagas are the contemporary verses around which the saga writers wove their tales." [Sawyer 42] None of these verses confirm the identity of Rollo and Hrólfr. The suspicion is made even larger by the fact that the Icelandic sources show no knowledge of Norman history other than the fact (well known throughout Europe at the time) that William the Conqueror was a descendant of the dukes of Normandy.

3. Rollo and Hrólfr appear to be different names.
The natural Latinization of the name Hrólfr would be Radulfus or Rodulfus. Yet, the Frankish and Norman sources consistently refer to the founder of Normandy as Rollo. Since these sources also include numerous individuals named Rodulfus, and consistently separate the two names, it appears that the names were regarded as different. Douglas explained this by suggesting a hypothetical hypochoristic form "Hrolle" of the name "Hroðwulf" as the basis for the name Rollo, and provides a single charter in which Rollo is referred to as "Rolphus" as evidence that the names were the same, acknowledging, however, that the charter itself was "not above suspicion." If the names were really regarded as the same, it would be expected that more convincing evidence to this effect could be offered.

Personally, I am inclined to believe that the identification of Hrólfr and Rollo has no basis in fact, that it was likely to have been invented by a saga writer who wanted to give the jarls of Orkney some famous relatives (i.e., the kings of England), and that whatever the confusing Norman sources say are probably about the closest we are going to get to Rollo's origin. However, based on the surviving evidence, it is not possible to come to any definitive conclusion one way or the other, and Rollo's parentage should be listed as "unknown" unless further evidence becomes available.

Supposed additional child:
Caðlin (Kathleen), said by Norse sources to have married a certain king Beolan, who is otherwise unidentified. As discussed above, the evidence for her is less than satisfactory.]

Bibliography
Ari = Halldór Hermannsson, ed. & trans., The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók) by Ari Thorgilsson (Islandica, vol. 20, Ithaca, 1930).
Dudo = Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998). Citation is by book and chapter of Dudo's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Douglas = D. C. Douglas, "Rollo of Normandy", English Historical Review 57 (1942), 417-36.
Flodoard's Annals = See PL 135 (Latin), and van Houts (2000), 42-51 (English translation of excerpts relating to the Normans).
GJ = Guillaume de Jumièges, Gesta Normannorum Ducum, as edited in Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis and Robert of Torigni, 2 vols., (Oxford, 1992). Citation is by book and chapter of Guillaume's work, with the volume and page number of the edition by van Houts in parentheses.
HGK = D. Simon Evans, ed., Historia Gruffudd vab Kenan (Caerdydd, 1977).
Keats-Rohan = Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204.
OI = Gudbrand Vigfusson and F. York Powell, ed. & trans., Origines Islandicae, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1905).
OrkS = Herman Pálsson & Paul Edwards, ed. & trans., Orkneyinga Saga (London, 1978). Citation is by chapter, with the page number in parentheses.
PL = Migne's Patrologiæ (Latin)
Richer = Richer of Rheims (see PL 138 for the text, in Latin). Citation is by book and chapter of Richer's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Sawyer = Peter Sawyer, 'The Last Scandinavian Kings of York', Northern History 31 (1995), 39-44.
Starcke = Viggo Starcke, Denmark in World History (Philadelphia, 1962, a translation of the Danish edition of 1946 by Frank Noel Stagg, Ingeborg Nixon, and Mrs. Elmer Harp).
van Houts = Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Normans in Europe (Manchester & New York, 2000) [gives English translations of many of the primary sources relevant to early Norman history]
WM = J. A. Giles, ed. & trans., William of Malmesbury's Chronicle of the Kings of England (London, 1889). Citation is by book and chapter of William's work, with the page number in parentheses.

Regards,
Curt

Rollo married Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy 1601,2778 in 891.1447 Papia was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

Rollo next married Gisèle Duchess Of NORMANDY 1601 in 912 in , , , France. Gisèle was born in 895 in , Normandy, France and died in 919 at age 24.

514840861299. Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy,415,1444,1601,1746,2778 daughter of Berenger Count De BAYEUX and Miss De RENNES, was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

General Notes:
The following information is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

Poppa means puppet or little doll [Ref: McBride2]
The name Poppa comes from Dudo, who calls her daughter of Count Berenger. [Ref: TAF 24 Dec 1999]

What I have in mind is her (Katherine Keats-Rohan) article on Poppa, mother of William Longsword of Normandy, which appeared in The American Genealogist a few years back. Basically, she suggested that Juhel/Judicael Berenger was son of a Count Berenger, named by Dudo and William of Juminges, and that both this Count Berenger and William Longsword were maternal grandchildren of an Earlier Frankish Count Berenger. I have seen it speculated (i.e. by Guillotel) that Judicael Berenger's paternal grandfather might have been a son or grandson of King Erispoe, but there was little evidence with which to place him. [Ref: TAF 21 Nov 2000]

parents: [Ref: ES II:75new], father: Berengar Count of Bayeux [Ref: Paget p135] called a dau of Count Berenger of Boyeux [Ref: Moriarty p11] said to be a daughter of count Berengar [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204)

Research note 1: parents: Gui Count of Senlis & dau Pepin de Parmus [Ref: Moriarty p226]

Research note 2: father: Berenger Marquis of Newstria (d.896) [Ref: KeatsRohan Poppa p196]

Research note 3: father: Pepin Count of Senlis [Ref: Wurts p182]

Research note 4: Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berengarius of Bretagne, who was living in 893. Pepin de Senlis de Valois was the father of Lady Poppa, the first wife of Rollo the Dane, 1st Duke of Normandy. [Ref: McBride2]

married Rollo 886: date: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

Regards,
Curt

Papia married Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2778,2934 in 891.1447 Rollo was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

514840861302. Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,415,1601,1746,2112,2914 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 873. 2112

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 965. 2112

Arnold married Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS,1601,2914 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Alce was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

514840861303. Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2914 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

Alce married Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,1601,2112,2914 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Arnold was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

514840861304. Wigelius De COURCY,415 son of Charles De COURCY and Unknown, was born in 952 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France.

Wigelius married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420430652       i.  Baldric The TEUTON Seigneur De \Courcy\ (born about 969 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France - died)


514840861306. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

514840861307. Concubine(S) 415 was born in 935.

Concubine(S) married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 in No Marriage. Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

514840861446. Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT,415,1444,1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 son of Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU and Irmengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Reginar/Regnier I, Margrave between the Meuse and the Scheldt, also Count of Hainault, the Hesbaye and several other areas in Lotharingia (modern Lorraine); lay Abbot or temporal guardian of the Abbeys of St Servais de Maestricht, St Maximin, Chevremont, Echternach and Stavelot. [Burke's Peerage]

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Regnier I, d. aft. 25 Oct 915, bef. 19 Jan 916, Count of Hainault; m. (2) Alberade of Mons; m. (1) Hersent of France, dau. of Charles II. [Ancestral Roots line 140-17]

Note: Stewart Baldwin reports on speculation that Reginar was also married to Erentrude of France. She would probably be his 2nd wife. See notes under Ermentrude.

Note: Turton has Regnier married (apparently as his only wife) to Albreda, who may be Alberade of Mons, his 2nd or 3rd wife.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 916. 2112

Régnier married Hersent, Princess De FRANCE 2943 in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Hersent, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Régnier next married Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,1784,2944,2949 daughter of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, about 890 in 2ND Wife - Possibly.2944 Ermentrude was born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.2949 Other names for Ermentrude were Ermentrude Von FRANCIA, and2950 Ermentrude Of West FRANKS.

Régnier next married Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS 1784,2112,2943 about 896 in 2ND Wife 2945.,2948 Alberade was born about 880 in Mons, Lorraine, France and died in 916 2945,2951 about age 36. Other names for Alberade were Alberade Of LORRAINE, Albreda Of LORRAINE, Alberade Of MONS, and Albrada De MONS.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 919. 1784

514840861447. Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS 415,1444,1784,2112,2943,2948 was born about 880 in Mons, Lorraine, France and died in 916 2945,2951 about age 36. Other names for Alberade were Alberade Of LORRAINE, Albreda Of LORRAINE, Alberade Of MONS, and Albrada De MONS.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 919. 1784

Alberade married Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT 1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 about 896 in 2ND Wife 2945.,2948 Régnier was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

514840862116. Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU,415,1444,1784,1882,2112,3075 son of Giselbert I Count Of MAASGAU and Bertswinda De HESBAYE, was born about 830 in Maasgau, Meuse Valley, Austrasia Now Belgium 3076 and died after 885 1784,3076. Other names for Giselbert were Giselbert II Count Of DARNAU,3077 Giselbert II Of LORRAINE, Giselbert, Count Von MAASGAU, and Giselbert I Count Of MOSELLE.

General Notes: Giselbert, Count in the valley of the Meuse, ruling Masau/Maasgau in what is now Belgium; married 846 Irmgard, daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor Lothair (grandson of Charlemagne), who granted his son-in-law the Countship of Darnau 863. [Burke's Peerage]

846-863 Count of Darnau. [Ancestral Roots]

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The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

A little flw-up info:
Gislebert II von TOXANDRIEN, Count in the Maasgau & Scheldegau. This is translated from the flwg (well researched) website:

Graf im Maas- und Scheldegau [Ref: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/d0009/g0000902.html#I7898 citing Mittelalterliche Genealogie im Deutschen Reich bis zum Ende der Staufer, Url: http://www.genealogie-mittelalter.de/] Research note: where or what is Toxandrien?

Comte de Mansurie [Ref: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/d0009/g0000902.html#I7898 citing Deux Mille Ans D'Histoire, Edition: Editions Universitaires ( Deux Mille ) publication: Les Presses de Belgique, 163, Rue du Trone, Bruxelles, 1946] Note: is Mansurie French for Maasgau or somewhere else?

Regards,
Curt

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 863. 3078

Giselbert married Irmengarde De LORRAINE 1784,2112,3075,3077 in 846 2321,2777.,3079 Irmengarde was born about 827 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died in 864 1447 about age 37. Other names for Irmengarde were Helletrude, Irmengarde De GERMANIE, Ermengarde, Princess Of ITALY, Hellentrude Of LORRAINE, Helletrude (Ermengarde) Of LORRAINE, and Ermengarde Of The MOSELLE.

Children from this marriage were:

257420431058       i.  Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT (born about 850 in Lorraine, France - died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine)

                  ii.  Adalbert I De MAASGAU.


514840862117. Irmengarde De LORRAINE,415,1444,1784,2112,3075,3077,3080 daughter of King Of Italy Lothaire I Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Ermengarde De TOURS, was born about 827 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died in 864 1447 about age 37. Other names for Irmengarde were Helletrude, Irmengarde De GERMANIE, Ermengarde, Princess Of ITALY, Hellentrude Of LORRAINE, Helletrude (Ermengarde) Of LORRAINE, and Ermengarde Of The MOSELLE.

Irmengarde married Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU 1784,1882,2112 in 846 2321,2777.,3079 Giselbert was born about 830 in Maasgau, Meuse Valley, Austrasia Now Belgium 3076 and died after 885 1784,3076. Other names for Giselbert were Giselbert II Count Of DARNAU,3077 Giselbert II Of LORRAINE, Giselbert, Count Von MAASGAU, and Giselbert I Count Of MOSELLE.


514840862118. Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS,415,1109,1444,1601,1746,3081 son of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, was born on 1 November 846 in France 3081,3082 and died on 10 April 879 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-DE-France, France 3081,3082,3083 at age 32. Another name for Louis was Louis II Le Bègue Carolingien, Roi D' AQUITAINE.

General Notes:
There is a lot of confusion as to the order of Louis' wives; whether they were legitimate marriages; and which was the mother of his various children. For example Ancestral Roots, in line 143-16 states that Adelaide of Paris is the 3rd wife, while in line 148-16, AR states that Adelaide was the 2nd wife. I am following line 143 (3rd wife), which makes her the last wife, and obviously mother of Charles III, since he was born posthumously.

(Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.)
(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-38.)
(Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 258.)
(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Louis II, King de France (the Stammerer) AKA: Louis II, King d'Aquitaine. Also Known As: Louis "Le Begue".

Born: in Nov 846 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-de-France, France, son of Charles II, King de France and Ermentrude d'Orleans . Married in 862: Ansgarde de Bourgogne , daughter of Hardouin, Count de Bourgogne; She was given in marriage to Louis by her brother, Odon, often confused with Odon, Count of Troyes, an older man and one of Louis' detractors (Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 185). Note - between 867 and 879: Louis II was the King of Aquitaine from 867 to 879 and became King of France in 877, crowned at Compiegne by Hincmar, Archbishop of Rheims on 8 October. If the children and grandchildren of Charlemagne had an easy time ascending to the throne by virtue of their parentage, the same is not true for Louis. Louis had to be elected by the Greats - the nobles whose power had been growing steadily - and they conceded only after having received countships and additional powers. Moreover, Louis had to accept the tutelage of his maternal uncle, Hughes, Marquis of Neustria who also received the countship of Tours. He died 16 months later while making preparations to reprimand Bernard, Duke of Septimanie. Upon his death, nobles, looking to enhance their own power saw the kingdom partitioned between Louis III and Carloman, who were both crowned and anointed at Ferrieres in September 879 by Ansegis, Archbishop of Sens. Louis III's portion comprised Francia and Neustria, and Carloman ruled Burgundy, Aquitaine and Gothia.

Married between 868 and 869: Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris, daughter of Adalhard, Count de Paris. [Note: I have differenty ancestry for Adelaide, see notes under Adelaide]

Died: on 11 Apr 879 in France at age 32 Louis II died sooner than expected after having divided his kingdom between his two sons, Louis III and Carloman. To the older son went Francia and Neustria; and to the younger went Bourgogne, Aquitaine and the Marche of Spain. This creation of two kingdoms is highly disputed because the two sons are not viewed by some as legitimate because Charles le Chauve had not officially recognized Louis marriage to Ansgarde. Louis was not favored, and on 15 October 879, Provence and Bourgogne recognize Richilde's (Charles le Chauve's widow) brother, Bozon. Moreover, Louis, son of Louis le Germanique, also lays claim to the throne of France. Thus, to make matters rather complicated there exists three kings of France at this time.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 877-879.

Louis married Luitgarde Of SAXONY, daughter of Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY and Oda Billung Of THURINGIA, in 1st Wife. Luitgarde was born about 848 in Saxony, Germany.

Louis next married Adelaide Judith De PARIS,1784,3084,3085,3086,3087 daughter of Bego (Beggo\Beggen) II Count Of PARIS and Alpaide Princess Of FRANCE, before 870 in 3rd Wife 2321.,3084 Adelaide was born about 850 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 10 November 901 3082,3088 about age 51. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Of AUXERRE, Adélaïde De FRIOUL, and Adalaide Of PARIS.

Children from this marriage were:

257420431059       i.  Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE (born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France)

                  ii.  Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE was born on 17 September 879 in France,3089,3090 died on 7 October 929 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 3089,3090 at age 50, and was buried in St Fursi, Peronne.

Louis next married Queen Of France Adelheide FRANKS 1601 in 875. Adelheide was born between 855 and 860 in Of, Paris, , France and died about 18 October 900 about age 45.

Louis next married Queen Of The Franks Ansgarde Princess Of BURGUNDY,1601,3091,3092 daughter of Hardouin Count Of NEUSTRIA and Unknown, in 862 in 2ND Wife 1109,1436.,3091 Ansgarde was born about 844 in , , Aix-La-Chappelle, Austrasia and died after 2 November 879. Another name for Ansgarde was Ansgarde Of BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Ermengarde (Adelaide) De FRANCE was born about 863 in France.

                  ii.  Nun Adélaïde Princess Of FRANCE was born about 856 in France, died in 935 3093 about age 79, and was buried in St Arnoul Abbey, Metz, , France.

                 iii.  Louis III King Of FRANCE was born about 863 in , , , France 1436 and died on 5 August 882 in St Denis, , France about age 19.

                  iv.  Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE was born about 864 in , , , France and died in Y.

                   v.  Carloman King Of FRANCE was born about 866 in Of, , Aix-La-Chappelle, Austrasia,1436 died on 6 December 884 about age 18, and was buried in Saint Denis, Seine-Saint-Denis, France.


514840862119. Adelaide Judith De PARIS,415,1444,1784,3084,3085,3086,3087,3094 daughter of Bego (Beggo\Beggen) II Count Of PARIS and Alpaide Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 850 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 10 November 901 3082,3088 about age 51. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Of AUXERRE, Adélaïde De FRIOUL, and Adalaide Of PARIS.

General Notes:
Louis II, "the Stammerer", King of the Franks and Emperor; m. (3), 868/70 Adelaide (or Aelis) of Paris, d. c 10 Nov 901, probably (not proven) daughter of Bego, Count of Paris (d. 861) (Brandenburg), or daughter of Count Girard (Saillot, "Sang de Charlemagne 201). [Ancestral Roots, line 143-16]

The other reference in AR (148-16) states that Adelaide is 2nd wife. Who knows?

The parents of Adelaide are not proven. The way that I have it is one of the "prevalent" ancestries for Adeliade. Others exist, as indicated in the two postings to soc.genealogy.medieval by Todd Farmerie (whom I have great respect for), which I have copied below:

----[message #1]---------------

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Adelaide of Paris
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/02/15

[email protected] wrote:

Please, can someone inform me who is the real father (and ancestors) of
Adelaide of Paris, as I have two names (see numbers 6, below).

1 CHARLES III of France, married (2) EADGYFU VAN WESSEX,
2 LOUIS II DER FRANKEN, born in 844 or (November 1, 846 ?),
Louis was married before (in 862) to ANSGARDE of
BOURGONDY, born in the year 840. He married (3) to his
great-aunt EMMA von Altdorf, who died January 31, 876,
d/o WELF III and EDITH. LOUIS married (2) in February 868
3 ADELAIDE de PARIS, born ca 855, died in Compiegne (Fr) on
November 14, 901.

Here I must be wrong. So please help me correct. If ADELAIDE of Paris died
in 901, how could LOUIS marry EMMA, who died in 876.

This confuses two Louis, uncle and nephew. Louis II of France, husband of Adelaide, was married only twice, to Ansgarde and Adelaide. Louis II of Germany, son of Louis the Pious, married Emma, who was daughter of Welf (but his wife's name was not Edith).

6 GERARD II de PARIS, born 830, died in the year 870.
7 EVA BERTHE d' AUXERRE, born in the year 830, died before.

OR?:
6 BEGGO II de PARIS, s/o EBERHARD de Paris
7 NN

Who can tell me how this ahnentafel (and dates) shoud be?
Thank you for your cooperation and help.

Adelaide's parentage is subject to much debate. Most agree she was of Carolingian descent, and IIRC, a couple of brothers are well attested. Likewise, there seems to be agreement that she descended from Bego I, but the intervening generations are guesswork, and the two versions you have are two of the guesses I have seen.

taf

------[message #2]----------

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Adelaide de Palatine & Adelaide de Paris
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-11-11 21:17:05 PST

[email protected] wrote:

For some strange reason I have Adelaide de Palatine b.abt 855 d. abt 901
daughter of Adalhard de Palatine & ?? married to Louis II de France. I also have Adelaide (Aelis) de Paris b. abt 855 d. abt 901 daughter of Gerald II de Paris & Eve d'Auxerre who is not married to anyone! But what I am finding on other web based data bases is that Adelaide de Paris is married to Louis II de France.

Now which one is the correct one?

It is all speculation. There is no source that directly attests to the names of her parents, so there is no right answer (although there are wrong ones).

taf

Adelaide married Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS,1109,1601,3081 son of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, before 870 in 3rd Wife 2321.,3084 Louis was born on 1 November 846 in France 3081,3082 and died on 10 April 879 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-DE-France, France 3081,3082,3083 at age 32. Another name for Louis was Louis II Le Bègue Carolingien, Roi D' AQUITAINE.

514840862120. Eberhard III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE,415,2755 son of Eberhard II Count Of LOWER-ALSACE and Unknown, was born in 853 in Alsace, France 2755 and died in 920 2755 at age 67. Another name for Eberhard was Eberhard III Count Of NORDGAU.

Eberhard married Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,2755 daughter of Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne] and Unknown. Adelaide was born about 862 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420431060       i.  Hugues I Count Of LOWER-ALSACE (born in 880 in Alsace, France - died in 940)


514840862121. Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,2755 daughter of Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne] and Unknown, was born about 862 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.

Adelaide married Eberhard III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE,2755 son of Eberhard II Count Of LOWER-ALSACE and Unknown. Eberhard was born in 853 in Alsace, France 2755 and died in 920 2755 at age 67. Another name for Eberhard was Eberhard III Count Of NORDGAU.

514840862124. Gerhard I Count Von METZ,415,1444,1784,2323,2755 son of Adalbert II (Adalhard) Count Von METZ and Miss Von EIFELGAU, was born about 870 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 24 June 910 in (Slain In Battle) 1784,3095,3096 about age 40. Other names for Gerhard were Gerhard, Gérard, Count Of METZGAU, Gebhard, Count In The NIEDER-LAHNGAU, Gebhard, Count In The WETTERGAU 3095., and3096

Gerhard married Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY 1784,2755 in 902. Uda was born about 874 in Saxony, Germany and died in 910 about age 36. Other names for Uda were Oda Von SACHSEN, Oda De SAXE, Oda Of SAXE, and Udo Of SAXONY.

Children from this marriage were:

257420431062       i.  Adalbert III (Adalhard) Count Von METZ (born about 890 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died in 940)

257420431070      ii.  Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE (born in 937 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died in 1005)

514839287369     iii.  Uda Von METZ (born about 911 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died after 7 April 963)

                  iv.  Wigfred, Archbishop Of COLOGNE died in 952 2323.


514840862125. Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY,415,505,1444,1784,2755 daughter of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 874 in Saxony, Germany and died in 910 about age 36. Other names for Uda were Oda Von SACHSEN, Oda De SAXE, Oda Of SAXE, and Udo Of SAXONY.

Uda married Gerhard I Count Von METZ 1784,2755 in 902. Gerhard was born about 870 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 24 June 910 in (Slain In Battle) 1784,3095,3096 about age 40. Other names for Gerhard were Gerhard, Gérard, Count Of METZGAU, Gebhard, Count In The NIEDER-LAHNGAU, Gebhard, Count In The WETTERGAU 3095., and3096

Uda next married Lothar Count Of STADE.1784 Lothar was born about 840 in Stade, Germany and died from 2 February 879 to 80 in Ebsdorf, Germany (Slain) 1784 about age 39.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Lothar I Of Walbeck, Count Of STADE was born before 880 and died on 5 September 929. Another name for Lothar was Lothar Ii, Count Of WALBECK AND STADE.

Uda next married Zwentibold, King Of The GERMANS in 897. Zwentibold, died on 13 August 900. Another name for Zwentibold, was Zwentibold, Roi De LORRAINE.


514840862126. Voiry Comte D' ARDENNES,415,2539 son of Rainier Comte De SAUNDIS and Unknown, was born about 840 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died in 918 in Aachen (Aix-La-Chapelle), Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2539 about age 78. Another name for Voiry was Wigeric Count Palatine Of AIX-LA-CHAPELLE.

Voiry married Cunigunde 2539 in 2ND Wife.2539 Cunigunde was born about 865 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420431063       i.  Luitgarde D' ARDENNES (born about 890 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France)


514840862127. Cunigunde 415,2539 was born about 865 in France.

Cunigunde married Voiry Comte D' ARDENNES,2539 son of Rainier Comte De SAUNDIS and Unknown, in 2ND Wife.2539 Voiry was born about 840 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died in 918 in Aachen (Aix-La-Chapelle), Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2539 about age 78. Another name for Voiry was Wigeric Count Palatine Of AIX-LA-CHAPELLE.

514840862128. Duke Of Lorraine Gebhard Count Of WETTERAU,415,1601,1746,2952 son of Gebhard Count Of NIEDERLANDGAU and Daughter Of Hunroch Of FRIULI, was born in 866 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died on 22 June 910 2952 at age 44.

Gebhard married.

Children from this marriage were:

257420431064       i.  Udo Count Of WETTERAU (born in 890 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany - died on 2 December 949)

                  ii.  Hermann I Duke Of SWABIA was born in 896 in , , Schwaben, Bavaria and died on 10 December 948 at age 52.


514840862130. Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2541,2542,2543 son of Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE and Perrone Of VERMANDOIS, was born about 840 in Vermandois, Normandy, France,2544 died in 900 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France (Murdered) 1436,1447,2544 about age 60, and was buried in Seigneur Of Senlis, Peronne, And St Quentin. Other names for Hubert were Heribert I,2541 Herbert I, Count Of VERMANDOIS, Herbert Ier, and Comte De VERMANDOIS.

Hubert married Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS 1601,2544 about 879 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Bertha was born about 860 in Morvois, France. Another name for Bertha was Beatrice De MORVOIS.2541

514840862131. Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2541,2544 daughter of Guerri I Comte De MORVOIS and Eve De ROUSSILLON, was born about 860 in Morvois, France. Another name for Bertha was Beatrice De MORVOIS.2541

Bertha married Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS 1524,1601,2543 about 879 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Hubert was born about 840 in Vermandois, Normandy, France,2544 died in 900 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France (Murdered) 1436,1447,2544 about age 60, and was buried in Seigneur Of Senlis, Peronne, And St Quentin. Other names for Hubert were Heribert I,2541 Herbert I, Count Of VERMANDOIS, Herbert Ier, and Comte De VERMANDOIS.

514840862134. Ulrich V Count Of ARGENGAU,415,1784 son of Ulrich IV Count Of Argengau & LINZGAU and Unknown, was born about 870 in Argengau, Switzerland and died after 909 in Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Ulrich was Udalrich V Count In ZURICHGAU.

Ulrich married Wendelgarde Of SAXONY,1784 daughter of Liudolf Of SAXONY and Unknown. Wendelgarde was born about 895 in Saxony, Germany. Another name for Wendelgarde was Wendilgard Von SACHSEN.

Children from this marriage were:

257420431067       i.  Miss Von ZURICHGAU (born about 910 in Zurich, Switzerland)

                  ii.  Ulrich VI Count Of Upper & Lower HATIEN was born about 920 in Hatien, Switzerland and died on 10 August 995 in Lechfield, Switzerland about age 75.


514840862135. Wendelgarde Of SAXONY,415,1784 daughter of Liudolf Of SAXONY and Unknown, was born about 895 in Saxony, Germany. Another name for Wendelgarde was Wendilgard Von SACHSEN.

Wendelgarde married Ulrich V Count Of ARGENGAU,1784 son of Ulrich IV Count Of Argengau & LINZGAU and Unknown. Ulrich was born about 870 in Argengau, Switzerland and died after 909 in Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Ulrich was Udalrich V Count In ZURICHGAU.

514840862140. Gerhard I Count Von METZ,415,1444,1784,2323,2755 son of Adalbert II (Adalhard) Count Von METZ and Miss Von EIFELGAU, was born about 870 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 24 June 910 in (Slain In Battle) 1784,3095,3096 about age 40. Other names for Gerhard were Gerhard, Gérard, Count Of METZGAU, Gebhard, Count In The NIEDER-LAHNGAU, Gebhard, Count In The WETTERGAU 3095., and3096

Gerhard married Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY 1784,2755 in 902. Uda was born about 874 in Saxony, Germany and died in 910 about age 36. Other names for Uda were Oda Von SACHSEN, Oda De SAXE, Oda Of SAXE, and Udo Of SAXONY.

514840862141. Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY,415,505,1444,1784,2755 daughter of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 874 in Saxony, Germany and died in 910 about age 36. Other names for Uda were Oda Von SACHSEN, Oda De SAXE, Oda Of SAXE, and Udo Of SAXONY.

Uda married Gerhard I Count Von METZ 1784,2755 in 902. Gerhard was born about 870 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 24 June 910 in (Slain In Battle) 1784,3095,3096 about age 40. Other names for Gerhard were Gerhard, Gérard, Count Of METZGAU, Gebhard, Count In The NIEDER-LAHNGAU, Gebhard, Count In The WETTERGAU 3095., and3096

Uda next married Lothar Count Of STADE.1784 Lothar was born about 840 in Stade, Germany and died from 2 February 879 to 80 in Ebsdorf, Germany (Slain) 1784 about age 39.

Uda next married Zwentibold, King Of The GERMANS in 897. Zwentibold, died on 13 August 900. Another name for Zwentibold, was Zwentibold, Roi De LORRAINE.


514840862142. Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE,415,1444,1447,3089 son of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, was born on 17 September 879 in France,3089,3090 died on 7 October 929 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 3089,3090 at age 50, and was buried in St Fursi, Peronne.

General Notes:
King of France 893-922, known as "The Simple"

Gave his daughter, Gisella, to Rollo, the Viking, in order to stop the raids on the coast. Gave the coast to Rollo to protect. Rollo thus became the first Duke of Normandy.

SOURCES:
Charles III, King de France
(Andre Roux: Scrolls,191.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 308.)
(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-37.)
(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Also Known As: Charles "Le Simple". Born: on 17 Sep 879 in Clermont, Oise, France, son of Louis II, King de France and Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris . (Or was his mother Judith. If he was born posthumously it would have been by the second wife)

Note - between 893 and 929: Charles III was the posthumous son of Louis "Le Begue", and was crowned King in 893 by Fouques, Archbishop of Reims, with the full support of Odon's brother Robert, Richard of Burgundy, William of the Auvergne and Herbert of Vermandois. Baldwin (Baudouin) of Flanders made his submission later. He was a rival of the effective King, the Count Eudes who, upon Odon's death in 898, recognized Charles' rights. With the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte (911), Charles gave Normandy to the Viking Chief Rollo making him first Duke of Normandy, and pacifying the Seine Vikings. That year, 911, Charles also became King of Lotharingia, which may have been related in part to the fact that his first wife, Frederuna who bore him 6 daughters, was Lotharingian. He revived the title Rex Francorum. In 919, when Charles fought the Magyars, none of the nobles except for Heriveus, the Archbishop of Reims sent him any troops for assistance. In 920, Robert led a revolt against Charles.

Some Lotharingian nobles, led by Gilbert (Gislebert) son of Ragnar Longneck, declared their independence from Charles' authority. Gilbert invoked the aid of the new ruler of the East Franks, a Saxon known as Henry "the Fowler" ("l'Oiseleur"). Charles, after quelling the resistance of the Lotharingian Count Ricoin made a treaty with Henry at Bonn in 921. They met on equal terms as Rex Francorum Occidentalium (Charles) and Rex Francorum Orientalium (Henry). Charles was deposed in 922 by Herbert, Count of Vermandois upon the death of his main supporter, Richard of Burgundy. Charles and his favorite Hagano fled to hide in Lotharingia. During his absence, Robert was elected King and crowned by Walter, Archbishop of Sens under the nose of Heriveus who was on his deathbed (he died 3 days later). Charles met Robert in battle at Soissons on 15 June 923. Robert was killed, but the forces led by his son Hugh and by Herbert of Vermandois defeated the King's army and Charles retreated. On 13 July 923, a new King Ralph, the eldest son of Richard The Justiciar of Burgundy was elected King and anointed in the Church of St. Medard at Soissons by Walter, Archbishop of Sens.

Married between 905 and 929: N. concubines; Charles Le Simple had several concubines throughout his adulthood.
Married in Apr 907: Frederune de Lotharingie, daughter of Dietrich, Count de Lotharingie ; Charles III Le Simple had 6 daughters with Frederune, his first wife.
Married in 917: Eadgifu=Ogive=Hadwige, Princess of England, daughter of Edward I, King of England and Eadgifu=Edgiva of Kent.

Died: on 7 Oct 929 in Peronne, Somme, France, at age 50 Charles was murdered while in captivity at the Tower of Peronne on 7-Oct-929. Charles III is buried at Saint Fursy.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 898-923

Charles married Frédérune HAMALANT, daughter of Dietrich Count Of HAMALAND and Unknown, about April 907 in 2ND Wife. Frédérune was born about 886 in Hamaland, Netherlands and died from 10 February 916 to 917 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France about age 30.

The child from this marriage was:

257420431071       i.  Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE (born about 908 in France)

Charles next married Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND 1601,1784,2910 in 918 in 3rd Wife 3090.,3097 Eadgifu was born in 904 in Wessex, England 2321 and died in 951 3090,3097 at age 47. Other names for Eadgifu were Eadgifu, Edgiva, and Ogive Des ANGLOS-SAXONS.

Children from this marriage were:

257420441836       i.  Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE (born on 10 September 921 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 10 September 954 in St Remy Abbey, Reims, Marne, France)

                  ii.  Charles De COURCY was born about 925 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France.


514840862143. Frédérune HAMALANT,415,1444 daughter of Dietrich Count Of HAMALAND and Unknown, was born about 886 in Hamaland, Netherlands and died from 10 February 916 to 917 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France about age 30.

General Notes:
A number of people have Frederuna as the same person as Frederunda von Ringleheim, wife of Wichmann Billung (aka. Wickmann Count of Engern). I think that Frederunda was born about 20 years later than Frederuna. Frederunda von Ringleheim's mother, Ragnhilde, was the daughter of an 882 marriage, which makes her birth date much too late to be the wife of Charles III and mother of Ermentrude.

Frédérune married Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE 3089 about April 907 in 2ND Wife. Charles was born on 17 September 879 in France,3089,3090 died on 7 October 929 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 3089,3090 at age 50, and was buried in St Fursi, Peronne.

514840862200. Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS,415,3051 son of Pepin II De Vermandois Comte De SENLIS and Unknown, was born in 919 in Somme, Picardy, France and died after 965 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Bernard married.

514840866816. Gwynnog "Farfsych" Ap LLES,505,1034 son of Lles "Llawddeog" Ap Ceidio CEIDIO and Unknown, was born about 880 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gwynnog married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433408       i.  Gwynnan Ap GWYNNOG (born about 900 in Powys, Wales)


514840866820. Dyfnwal Ap EDNYFED Of Dyfed,505 son of Ednyfed Ap ANWN Of Dyfed and Unknown, was born about 870 in Dyfed, Wales.

Dyfnwal married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433410       i.  Ynyr "Ddu" Ap DYFNWAL King Of Gwent (born about 895 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales)


514840866832. Cadell Ap RHODRI Prince Of Deheubarth,505,1034 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG, was born about 861 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 910 1034 about age 49.

Cadell married Rheingar.1034 Rheingar was born about 865 in Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

257420433416       i.  Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales (born in 887 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales - died in 950)


514840866833. Rheingar 505,1034 was born about 865 in Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Rheingar married Cadell Ap RHODRI Prince Of Deheubarth,1034 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG. Cadell was born about 861 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 910 1034 about age 49.

514840866834. Llywarch Ap HYFAIDD King Of Dyfedd,505,1034,2297 son of Hyfaidd Ap BLEIDDIG King Of Dyfed and Hyfaidd Ap Bleiddig, was born in 867 in Dyfed, Wales 1034 and died in 904 1034 at age 37.

Llywarch married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433417       i.  Elen Verch LLYWARCH (born in 890 in Dyfed, Wales - died in 943)


514840866836. Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys,505,1034,1386 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG, was born in 859 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died in 900 1034 at age 41.

Merfyn married.

Children from this marriage were:

257420433418       i.  Llywelyn Ap MERFYN (born in 880 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales)

257420433537      ii.  Afandreg Verch MERFYN (born about 891 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales)


514840866896. Cynddelw "Gam" Ap Elgudy,1034 son of Elgudy Ap Gwrysnad and Unknown, was born about 839 in North Wales.1034

Cynddelw married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433448       i.  Cynwrig Ap Cynddelw (born about 886 in North Wales)


514840866912. Coel Ap Gweirydd,1034 son of Gweirydd Ap Cynwrig and Unknown, was born about 981 in North Wales.1034

Coel married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433456       i.  Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel (born about 1030 in Denbighshire, Wales)


514840866914. Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys,415,505,1034,1117 son of Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, was born about 1025 in Powis, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1075 1034 about age 50. Another name for Bleddyn was Bleddyn Ap MORIEN.

General Notes:
All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:

Bleddyn Cynfyn ruled Powys 1063-1075

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From http://homepages.tesco.net/plk33/plk33/History/KingListBritain:

By 1063, Blethyn (Bleddyn) rules a mostly united Wales, and Powys is detached from Gwynedd & Deheubarth for, or by, his son.

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Bleddyn and his brother Rhiwallon were half-brothers of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn. Their mother, Angharad, married Cynfyn ap Gwerstan o the death of Llywelyn ap Seisyll. Cynfyn ap Bwerstan may have been a Powys nobleman; there is also some suggestion that he may have been half Saxon. Bleddyn remained a strong supporter of the Mercians in their battles against the Normans.

Bleddyn and Rhiwallon also had to contend with internal revolution. The sons of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, Maredudd and Idwal, attempted to reestablish their claim to the throne. However, they were also killed in the Battle of Mechain in 1070; Bleddyn now ruled without internal challenge.

He is reported to having been a generous king, giving to church and populous. He was the first king in over 100 years to revise the laws developed under Hywel Dda.

Unfortunately, in 1073, the Normans began their advance through north Wales, and defeated Bleddyn in a surprise attack. Weakened, he became vurnerable to his southern neighbor, Rhys ab Owain of Deheubarth. In 1075, Rhys betrayed Bleddyn, leading to his murder. However, Bleddyn's descendents became the main ruling family of Powys. [The Welsh Kings]

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During the later years of the reign of his half-brother, Gruffyd, the English had brought Wales into at least nominal subjection. Gruffyd was killed by the English 5 Aug 1063. Bleddyn and his brother Rhiwallon, having submitted to King Edward, were made rules of Gwynedd and Powys. The Normans who came with William the Conqueror soon encroached upon the Welsh who resisted them and Rhiwallon was slain in battle in 1070. Bleddyn was then the sole Ruler. [The Weaver Genealogy]

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In 1075, Bleddyn was killed by Rhys, the brother of Maredudd ab Owain, and Rhys in turn was likeed in 1078 by Caradog ap Gruffudd. Bleddyn's kingdom passed to his cousin, Trahaearn ap Caradog, but Trahaearn was killed, along with Caradog ap Gruffudd, in the battle of Mynydd Carn in 1081. [A History of Wales; John Davies]

Bleddyn married in 1st Wife.

Bleddyn married Haer Verch CYNILLIN,1034 daughter of Cynillin Ap Y Blaidd RYDD and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Haer was born about 1025 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1050 in Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034. Another name for Haer was Haer Verch CYLLYN.

Bleddyn next married.

Bleddyn next married Miss Verch BROCHWEL before 1058 in 2ND Wife. Miss was born about 1040 in Anglesey, Wales.

514840866928. Ithel "Felyn" Ap Llywelyn,1034 son of Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel and Efa Ferch Bleddyn, was born about 1083 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Ithel married Lleucu Ferch Hwfa,1034 daughter of Hwfa Ap Brochwel and Unknown. Lleucu was born about 1085 in Anglesey, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

257420433464       i.  Hwfa Ap Ithel (born in Denbighshire, Wales)


514840866929. Lleucu Ferch Hwfa,1034 daughter of Hwfa Ap Brochwel and Unknown, was born about 1085 in Anglesey, Wales.1034

Lleucu married Ithel "Felyn" Ap Llywelyn,1034 son of Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel and Efa Ferch Bleddyn. Ithel was born about 1083 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

514840866930. Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd,415,505,1034,1388,1392 son of Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales and Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN, was born in 1055 in Dublin, Ireland,1034,1725 died in 1137 in Wales 1034,1388,1392 at age 82, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034

Gruffudd married Angharat Verch OWAIN,1034,1725 daughter of Owain Ap EDWIN and Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN, about 1095.1725 Angharat was born about 1065 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1162 1034 about age 97.

Gruffudd next married Ferch Llychwy,1034 daughter of Llychwy and Unknown. Ferch was born about 1070 in Llanbeulan, Llechylched, Anglesey, Wales.1034

514840866931. Ferch Llychwy,1034 daughter of Llychwy and Unknown, was born about 1070 in Llanbeulan, Llechylched, Anglesey, Wales.1034

Ferch married Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd,1034,1388,1392 son of Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales and Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN. Gruffudd was born in 1055 in Dublin, Ireland,1034,1725 died in 1137 in Wales 1034,1388,1392 at age 82, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034

514840866944. Ifor Ap Seferws,1034 son of Seferws Ap Cadwr and Lleucu Ferch Morgan, was born about 938 in Powys, Wales.1034

Ifor married Isabel Ferch Tryffin,1034 daughter of Tryffin and Unknown. Isabel was born about 939 in Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

257420433472       i.  Cuhelyn Ap Ifor (born about 959 in Powys, Wales)


514840866945. Isabel Ferch Tryffin,1034 daughter of Tryffin and Unknown, was born about 939 in Wales.1034

Isabel married Ifor Ap Seferws,1034 son of Seferws Ap Cadwr and Lleucu Ferch Morgan. Ifor was born about 938 in Powys, Wales.1034

514840866946. Gronwy Ap Tudur,1034 son of Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford and Angharad Verch HYWEL, was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Gronwy married Tangwystl Ferch Dyfnwal,1034 daughter of Dyfnwal and Unknown. Tangwystl was born about 944 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

257420433473       i.  Gwen Ferch Gronwy (born about 962 in Denbighshire, Wales)


514840866947. Tangwystl Ferch Dyfnwal,1034 daughter of Dyfnwal and Unknown, was born about 944 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Tangwystl married Gronwy Ap Tudur,1034 son of Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford and Angharad Verch HYWEL. Gronwy was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

514840867072. Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd,505,1034,2295 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG, was born in 857 in Gwynedd, Wales 1034 and died in 916 1034,2295 at age 59.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 913. 1386

Anarawd married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433618       i.  Elise Ap ANARAWD (born in 885 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales - died in 942 in Wales)

Anarawd married Anarawd Ap Rhodri.1034 Anarawd was born in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

257420433536       i.  Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD (born about 883 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales - died in 940 in (Slain In Battle With Danes))


514840867073. Anarawd Ap Rhodri 1034 was born in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

Anarawd married Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd,1034,2295 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG. Anarawd was born in 857 in Gwynedd, Wales 1034 and died in 916 1034,2295 at age 59.

514840867074. Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys,505,1034,1386 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG, was born in 859 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died in 900 1034 at age 41.

Merfyn married.

514840867104. Sitric (Sygtrygg) King Of DUBLIN 505,2956,2957,3098 was born about 850 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 896 2956,3098 about age 46.

General Notes: Carol (Seejay51) stated that Sitric (she named him "Halfdansson" implying that he was son of Halfdan?) was father of Sitric King of Dublin & York. Todd Farmerie stated that the name of his father was not known, and naming one's son after the father was not common custom. Todd did state that Sitric, King of Dublin & York, was grandson of Inguar of Dublin (who I take to be another name for Ivar the Boneless).

Stewart Baldwin, reviewing a book "Scandinavian Kings in the British Isles, 850-880" by Smyth, stated that Smyth said Sitric's father was also named Sitric (d. 896). Stewart Baldwin did not agree with the name (it was not the practice to name one's son after one's self), but did verify that Sitric King of Dublin & York was grandson of Ivar.

Stewart Baldwin, on his website entitled "The Kings of the Isle of Man", in the notes under "Table 1: Kings of Dublin" states that Ivar had a son Sitric, who died in 896. However he does not connect that Sitric with Sitric King of Dublin & York; EXCEPT to say that Harald King of Limerick, if not son of one Sitric, could be the son of the other Sitric, which seems to imply a relationship between the two Sitrics.

Note: The sources seem to agree that there was one generation between Ivar (the father) & Sitric (the son). Obviously this generation was named something, and "Sitric" is the only name given (although the name is questioned by some), so I am using it, even if possibly/probably wrong.

Sitric married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433552       i.  Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of York & DUBLIN (born about 874 in Dublin, Ireland - died in 927 in York, Yorkshire, England)




514840867106. Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND,415,505,1416,1444,1447,1601,1746,3099,3100 son of Alfred "The Great" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Elswitha Of Mercia, Queen Of GAINI, was born in 875 in Wessex, England,1436,3099 died on 17 July 924 in Farndon On Dee, Farrington, Berkshire, England 378,1416,1436,3099,3100 at age 49, and was buried in 924 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.1436 Other names for Edward were Édouard L'ancien, Roy Des ANGLOS-SAXONS, and WESSEX.

General Notes:
Edward, byname EDWARD THE ELDER (d. 17 July 924, Farndon on Dee, England), Anglo Saxon king in England, the son of Alfred the Great. As ruler of the West Saxons, or Wessex, from 899 to 924, Edward extended his authority over almost all of England by conquering areas that previously had been held by Danish invaders.

Edward ascended the throne upon his father's death in October 899, and in battle in 902 his forces killed a rival claimant, Aethelwald, who had allied with the Danes. After defeating the Northumbrian Danes at Tettenhall, he set out in August 912 to subdue the Danes of the eastern Midlands and East Anglia. From 910 to 916 he constructed a series of fortified enclosures around his Kingdom of Wessex.

At the same time, his sister, the Mercian ruler Aethelflaed, constructed a complementary series of fortresses in the northwest Midlands. In 917 Edward and Aethelflaed launched a massive offensive, quickly overwhelming the entire Danish army of East Anglia. Upon Aethelflaed's death in June 918, Edward assumed control of Mercia, and by the end of the year the last Danish armies in the Midlands had submitted. By that time Edward's kingdom included all the lands south of the Humber estuary; in 920 he pacified Northumbria. Complete political unification of England was achieved during the reign of his son and successor, Athelstan (reigned 924-939). [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

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Well-trained by Alfred, his son Edward 'the Elder' (reigned 899-924) was a bold soldier who defeated the Danes in Northumbria at Tettenhall in 910 and was acknowledged by the Viking kingdom of York. The kings of Strathclyde and the Scots submitted to Edward in 921. By military success and patient planning, Edward spread English influence and control. Much of this was due to his alliance with his formidable sister Aethelflaed, who was married to the ruler of Mercia and seems to have governed that kingdom after her husband's death.

Edward was able to establish an administration for the kingdom of England, whilst obtaining the allegiance of Danes, Scots and Britons. Edward died in 924, and he was buried in the New Minster which he had had completed at Winchester. Edward was twice married, but it is possible that his eldest son Athelstan was the son of a mistress.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 17 July 925. 1784

• Ruled: 3100 899-924

Edward married Ecgwyn 3101 in 893 in 1st Wife 378.,3101 Ecgwyn was born about 877 in Wessex, England.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Thyra "Ornament Of Denmark" DANEBOD Queen Of Denmark was born about 844 in Wessex, England and died in 935 in Jellinge Vejle, Denmark about age 91. Another name for Thyra was Thyri.

                  ii.  Athelstan King Of ENGLAND was born about 895 in Wessex, England 1436,2990 and died on 27 October 939 in (Dsp) 3102 about age 44.

257420433553     iii.  Edith (Edgyth) Princess Of ENGLAND (born about 898 in Wessex, England - died in 937)

                  iv.  Alfred.

Edward next married Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE 1601,1784,3101,3103 before 902 in -, Wessex, England.3101 Aelflaed was born in 852 in Wiltshire, England 378 and died on 5 December 905 378 at age 53. Other names for Aelflaed were Elfleda, Ælflese De BERNICIE, and Aelfflaed Of WILTSHIRE.

Children from this marriage were:

514840859013       i.  Emliane Aelgiva Princess Of ENGLAND (born in 902 in Wessex, England - died on 28 October)

                  ii.  Ethelwerd Or Elfwerd Prince Of ENGLAND was born about 900 in , , Wessex, England and died about 924 about age 24.

                 iii.  Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND was born in 904 in Wessex, England 2321 and died in 951 3090,3097 at age 47. Other names for Eadgifu were Eadgifu, Edgiva, and Ogive Des ANGLOS-SAXONS.

                  iv.  Empress Of Germany Eadgyth (Edith) Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 910 in Wessex, England and died from 26 January 946 to 947 2322,3104 about age 36. Another name for Eadgyth was Edith.

                   v.  Ælfweard, King Of ENGLAND.

                  vi.  Edwin Prince Of ENGLAND was born about 902 in , , Wessex, England and died about 933 about age 31. The cause of his death was Drowned.

                 vii.  Edflaed, The Nun At WILTON.

                viii.  Elfleda Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 904 in , , Wessex, England and died in Died Young.

                  ix.  Ethelhilda Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 906 in , , Wessex, England and died in Y.

                   x.  Ælflaeda, The Nun At WINCHESTER.

                  xi.  Edhilda, Princess Of ENGLAND was born on 26 January 946 in Of, , Wessex, England 1436 and died on 14 September 937 in , , , France at age -8.

                 xii.  Æthelflaeda, Abbess Of ROMSEY.

                xiii.  Æthelhild The Recluse.

                 xiv.  Ælfgifu.

Edward next married Edgiva Meapham Of SAXE-KENT,1416,1601,3099,3101 daughter of Sigehelm I Ealdorman Of KENT and Elfrida, in 919 in 3rd Wife 1416,3099.,3101 Edgiva was born in 896 in Kent County, England,378 died in 961 1416,1436,3099 at age 65, and was buried in Canterbury, Kent, England. Another name for Edgiva was Eadgifu.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 25 August 968.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Edmund I "The Magnificent" King Of ENGLAND was born in 923 in Berkampsted, Suffolk, England,378,1416,1436,3105 died on 26 May 946 in Pucklechurch, Dorset, England 1416,1436,3105 at age 23, and was buried in Glastonbury Abbey, Somerset, England.1436 Another name for Edmund was Edmund I Of Saxe-Wessex, King Of WESSEX AND MERCIA.

                  ii.  Eadred (Edred) King Of ENGLAND was born about 924 in Wessex, England and died on 23 November 955 in Frome, Somerset, England 3106 about age 31.

                 iii.  St. Edburga, Nun At NUNNAMINSTER.

                  iv.  Gregory, Abbot Of EINSIEDLEN.

Edward next married Queen Eggwyn ENGLAND 1601 about 891 in , , Wessex, England. Eggwyn was born in 874 in , , Wessex, England and died after 897.


514840867107. Ecgwyn 415,505,1444,3101 was born about 877 in Wessex, England.

Ecgwyn married Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND 1416,1601,3099,3100 in 893 in 1st Wife 378.,3101 Edward was born in 875 in Wessex, England,1436,3099 died on 17 July 924 in Farndon On Dee, Farrington, Berkshire, England 378,1416,1436,3099,3100 at age 49, and was buried in 924 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.1436 Other names for Edward were Édouard L'ancien, Roy Des ANGLOS-SAXONS, and WESSEX.

514840867108. Find Na LEINSTER 505 was born about 880 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 923 about age 43.

Find married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433554       i.  Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER (born about 915 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 972)


514840867112. Lorcan Na MUNSTER,415,505 son of Lachtnae Na MUNSTER and Unknown, was born in 880 in Grinan, Munster, Ireland and died in 942 at age 62.

Lorcan married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433556       i.  Cineadh Na MUNSTER (born in 926 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland - died in 951)


514840867114. Aurchad O'FLAHERTY,415,505 son of Murrough O'FLAHERTY and Unknown, was born about 875 in Connaught, Ireland and died in 945 about age 70.

Aurchad married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433557       i.  Be Bind O'FLAHERTY (born about 910 in Ireland)


514840867116. Ailill Ui Aeda ODBA 415,505 was born about 880 in Eireann, Ireland.

Ailill married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433558       i.  Charllus Ui Aeda ODBA (born about 910 in Eireann, Ireland)


514840867120. Ollilol King Of LEINSTER,505 son of Unknown and Isabel De WARENNE, was born in 830 in Leinster, Ireland and died about 871 about age 41.

Ollilol married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433560       i.  Ugaire King Of LEINSTER (born in 860 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 915)


514840867168. Gwrydr Ap CARADOG Of Powys 505 was born about 870 in Powys, Wales.

General Notes: All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:

Gwydir (or Gwyrid), son of Caradog (of the sept of Cynedda Wiedig), "a man of worship in Wales." m Morfydd, dau and sole h of Owain ap Tythwalch, Lord of Cardigan (tenth cent). In her right he was Lord of Cardigan and Gwynfal. He d in the time of Athelstand, King of the Saxons. Arms attrib to Morfydd. [Annals and Aniquities of Wales II:208]

Note: I have Morfydd married to Gwydr's son, Clodien.

Gwrydr married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433584       i.  Clodien Ap GWRYDR Of Powys (born about 894 in Powys, Wales)


514840867170. Owain Ap TEITHWAL 505 was born about 890 in Wales.

Owain married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433585       i.  Morfydd Verch OWAIN (born about 920 in Wales)


514840867194. Cadwr Ap CADWR,505,1034 son of Cadwr "Wenwyn" Ab IDNERTH and Unknown, was born in 857 in Powys, Wales.1034

Cadwr married.

Children from this marriage were:

257420433597       i.  Mereddon Verch CADWR (born about 887 in Gwynedd, Wales)

                  ii.  Seferws Ap Cadwr was born about 882 in Powys, Wales.1034

Cadwr next married.


514840867200. Bleddyn Ap Bledrus,1034 son of Bledrus Ap Cynog and Unknown, was born about 870 in Powys, Wales.1034

Bleddyn married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433600       i.  Ednywain Ap Bleddyn (born about 900 in Powys, Wales)


514840867236. Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd,505,1034,2295 son of Rhodri Mawr "The Great" Ap MERFYN King Gwynedd and Angharad Verch MEURIG, was born in 857 in Gwynedd, Wales 1034 and died in 916 1034,2295 at age 59.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 913. 1386

Anarawd married.

Anarawd married Anarawd Ap Rhodri.1034 Anarawd was born in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

514840867268. Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford 505,1034,2527 was born in 903 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034,2527 and died in 948 1034 at age 45. Another name for Tewdwr was Tudur TREFOR.

General Notes:
Tudur Trefor; born c900; married Angharad, daughter of Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

Tewdwr married Angharad Verch HYWEL 1034.,2527 Angharad was born about 907 in Dynev, Llan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

514840867269. Angharad Verch HYWEL,505,1034,2527 daughter of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH, was born about 907 in Dynev, Llan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

General Notes:
Angharad, daughter of Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

Angharad married Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford 1034.,2527 Tewdwr was born in 903 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034,2527 and died in 948 1034 at age 45. Another name for Tewdwr was Tudur TREFOR.

514840867280. Morgan "Mawr" "Hen" Ap OWAIN 505 was born about 898 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales and died in 974 about age 76.

Morgan married Lleucu Verch ENFLEW. Lleucu was born about 910 in Powys, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

257420433640       i.  Idwallon Ap MORGAN Of Morgannwg (born before 930 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales)


514840867281. Lleucu Verch ENFLEW 505 was born about 910 in Powys, Wales.

Lleucu married Morgan "Mawr" "Hen" Ap OWAIN. Morgan was born about 898 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales and died in 974 about age 76.

514840868608. Thüringbert (Thurincbertus) WORMSGAU,1601,1746 son of Duke Rupert (Robert) I WORMSGAU and Williswint (Mrs.) WORMSGAU, was born about 745 and died on 1 June 770 about age 25.

Thüringbert married Mrs. Thuringbert WORMSGAU.1601 Mrs. was born about 745 and died in Y.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434304       i.  Rutpert II Count Of Upper Rhine & WORMSGAU (born about 760 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany - died on 12 July 807)


514840868609. Mrs. Thuringbert WORMSGAU 1601,1746 was born about 745 and died in Y.

Mrs. married Thüringbert (Thurincbertus) WORMSGAU,1601 son of Duke Rupert (Robert) I WORMSGAU and Williswint (Mrs.) WORMSGAU. Thüringbert was born about 745 and died on 1 June 770 about age 25.

514840868612. Thierry (Theodoric) Count Of AUTUN,662,1529,2563,3107,3108,3109,3110 son of Childebrand "De Heristal" AUSTRASIA and Rolande De Autun Of TOULOUSE, was born about 720 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 6 July 793 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2563 about age 73. Other names for Thierry were Thierry, Makir Abibai, Natronai, Al-Makhiri, Americus, and Makir Theuderic Duke Of TOULOUSE.

General Notes:
Judiarch of Narbonne (Septimania), Nasi, Duke of Toulouse 771-793, Count of Autun; also known as Thierry, Makir, Natronai, Al-Makhiri and Americus. Prince of Jews in the West and a former Exilarch of the Jews in Baghdad.

Count of Autun; son of Childebrand I, Count of Autun, and Rolande; m. Aude of Francia; father of William, Thierry and Berthe. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]

b.c. 723; son of Habibai of Parthia; m. Aude de Heristal; father of:
1. Theirry who m. ?? D'Autun
2. Bertha who m. Fredalon de Toulouse
3. Guillaume I de Toulouse who m. Guibour von Hornbach and Cunegonde D'Austrasie
4. Raedburh D'Autun who m. Ecgbert III of Wessex
[Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

Son of Childebert III D'Austrasie; m. Albane/Aube de Herstal; father of:
1. Guillaume (saint) aka d'Orange, au Court Nez, de Gellone
2. Gilbert de Rouergue
3. Thierry II D'Autun
4. Adaleleme D'Autun
5. Aube D'Autun who m. Fredelon de Toulouse
[Patrick de Sercey <[email protected], 3 Feb 2002]

Noted events in his life were:

• Occupation: Exilarch of the Jews, Baghdad.

• Occupation: Judiarch of Narbonne, Septimania.

• Occupation: Duke of Toulouse, From 771 to 793.

• Occupation: Prince of Jews in the West.

Thierry married Auda (Aldane) MARTEL,662,1529,2563,3107,3111,3112,3113 daughter of Charles MARTEL Mayor Of The Palace Of Austrasia and Duchess Of Austrasia Rotrude (Chrotude)(Sonichilde) TREVES, in 768 in 1st Wife. Auda was born before 724 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium and died before 805 2563. Another name for Auda was Alda, Hilda, Aldana, Albane, Aube.

Children from this marriage were:

257420434306       i.  William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint (born about 751 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died on 28 May 812 in Gellone Monastery, Aniane, Herault, Languedoc, France)

                  ii.  Bertha De AUTUN was born about 749 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Bertha was Bertha D'autun, Auba.

                 iii.  Theodoen Count Of AUTUN was born about 759 of Autun, France 2563 and died in 804 in Cologne, Rheinland, Germany 2563 about age 45. Another name for Theodoen was Theodoen.

                  iv.  Gilbert De ROUERGUE was born about 760 and died about 820 about age 60.

                   v.  Adaleleme D'AUTUN was born about 762.

                  vi.  Dunne Of AUTUN was born about 772 of Autun, France.


514840868613. Auda (Aldane) MARTEL,662,1529,2563,3107,3111,3112,3113 daughter of Charles MARTEL Mayor Of The Palace Of Austrasia and Duchess Of Austrasia Rotrude (Chrotude)(Sonichilde) TREVES, was born before 724 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium and died before 805 2563. Another name for Auda was Alda, Hilda, Aldana, Albane, Aube.

General Notes:
Dau. of Charles Martel; m. Thierry, Count of Autun; mother of Bertha/Auba. [Ancestral Roots, p. 160]

Dau. of Karl Martel, Mayor of the Palace, and Rotrou of Alemania; m. Thierry, Count of Autun; mother of William, Count of Autun, Thierry, and Berthe. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]

Dau. of Charles Martel de Heristal and Suanhilde von Bayern; m. Thierry D'Autun; mother of Thierry D'Autun, Bertha D'Autun, Guillaume I de Toulouse, and Raedburh D'Autun. [Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

Auda married Thierry (Theodoric) Count Of AUTUN,662,1529,2563,3107,3108,3109,3110 son of Childebrand "De Heristal" AUSTRASIA and Rolande De Autun Of TOULOUSE, in 768 in 1st Wife. Thierry was born about 720 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 6 July 793 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2563 about age 73. Other names for Thierry were Thierry, Makir Abibai, Natronai, Al-Makhiri, Americus, and Makir Theuderic Duke Of TOULOUSE.

514840868614. Lambert I Count Of HORNBACH,2400 son of Gui Count Of WIDO and Unknown, was born about 720 in Hornbach, Prussia and died after 783.

Lambert married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gui Count On The Breton MARCH was born about 745 in Bretagne, France and died in 814 about age 69.

257420434307      ii.  Gilbour Of HORNBACH (born about 760 in Hornbach, Prussia - died before 803)

                 iii.  Waldrat Of HORNBACH was born about 774 in Hornbach, Prussia and died from 15 February 823 to 24 about age 49.


514840868616. Luitfride I Duke Of ALSACE,1601,1746,3114 son of Adalbert I Duke Of ALSACE and Gerlinde Duchess Of AQUITAINE, was born about 707 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died about 750 in , , , France 3114 about age 43.

Luitfride married Edith Duchess Of ALSACE 1601 in <Alsace, Lorraine, France>. Edith was born about 719 in Alsace, Lorraine, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420434308       i.  Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE (born in 740 in Alsace, Lorraine, France - died in 780)

                  ii.  Theitbaldus Of ALSACE was born about 742 in Of, , Alsace, France and died in Y.


514840868617. Edith Duchess Of ALSACE 1601,1746 was born about 719 in Alsace, Lorraine, France.

Edith married Luitfride I Duke Of ALSACE,1601,3114 son of Adalbert I Duke Of ALSACE and Gerlinde Duchess Of AQUITAINE, in <Alsace, Lorraine, France>. Luitfride was born about 707 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died about 750 in , , , France 3114 about age 43.

514840868624. Pépin (Carloman) King Of ITALY,505,1601,1746,1784,3115,3116 son of King Of The Franks Charlemagne Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Countess Of Vinzgau Hildegard Empress Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in April 773 of Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia,3116 was christened on 12 April 781 in Rome, , Italy, and died on 8 July 810 in Milan, Milan, Italy 3115,3116 at age 37. Another name for Pépin was Karlmann (Pepin) King Of LOMBARDY.

General Notes:
Pepin, baptized at Rome, 12 Apr 781 by Pope Adrian I, d. Milan, 8 July 810, King of Italy 781-810, consecrated King of Lombardy 15 Apr 781. Apparently by a daughter of Duke Bernard, younger brother of Pepin the Short, he had Bernard a natural son. [Ancestral Roots, line 50-14]

Pépin married Queen Bertha Of TOULOUSE,1601,2742 daughter of William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint and Gilbour Of HORNBACH, about 795. Bertha was born in 777 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2742 and died in Y.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Théodrate(Tetrada) Princess Of ITALY was born about 805 in Of, , Aix-La-Chapelle, Austrasia and died on 1 September 836 about age 31. Another name for Théodrate(Tetrada) was Daughter Of Pepin CARLOMAN.

                  ii.  Adélaïde (Adelheid) Princess Of ITALY was born about 798 in Of, , Aix-La-Chapelle, Austrasia and died in Y.

                 iii.  Gundrade (Gundrada) Princess Of ITALY was born about 801 in Of, , Aix-La-Chapelle, Austrasia and died in Y.

                  iv.  Bertraide (Berthais) Princess Of ITALY was born about 803 in Of, , Aix-La-Chapelle, Austrasia and died in Y.

Pépin next married Ingeltrude (Rothais\Chrothais) D' AUTUN,1784,3116 daughter of Bernard Duke Of FRANKS and Unknown, in No Marriage.3116 Ingeltrude was born about 775 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Ingeltrude was Daughter Of Bernard Of FRANKS.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434312       i.  Bernard I King Of ITALY (born in 797 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 17 April 818 in Milan, Italy (Blinded By Louis I))


514840868625. Ingeltrude (Rothais\Chrothais) D' AUTUN,1784,3116 daughter of Bernard Duke Of FRANKS and Unknown, was born about 775 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Ingeltrude was Daughter Of Bernard Of FRANKS.

Ingeltrude married Pépin (Carloman) King Of ITALY,1601,1784,3115,3116 son of King Of The Franks Charlemagne Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Countess Of Vinzgau Hildegard Empress Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, in No Marriage.3116 Pépin was born in April 773 of Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia,3116 was christened on 12 April 781 in Rome, , Italy, and died on 8 July 810 in Milan, Milan, Italy 3115,3116 at age 37. Another name for Pépin was Karlmann (Pepin) King Of LOMBARDY.

514840868626. Adelgis Count Of PARMA 1784 was born about 769 in Parma, Italy and died in 836 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy about age 67. Another name for Adelgis was Adelgis Count Of Parma & SPOLETO.

Adelgis married.

Children from this marriage were:

257420434313       i.  Cunigunde Of PARMA (born about 797 in Parma, Italy - died after 15 June 835)

                  ii.  Maurin Margrave Of SPOLETO was born about 806 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy and died in 841 about age 35.


514840868636. Lisiard De FEZENSAC,505 son of Begue I Count Of PARIS and Aupais Of FRANCE, was born about 782 in Fezensac, Gascony, France.

Lisiard married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434318       i.  Gerard De ROUSSILLON Count Of Paris (born about 800 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France - died in 877)


514840868638. Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2323,2768,2769 son of Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE and Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE, was born in 765 in Upper, Alsace, France and died on 4 November 839 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2770,2771 at age 74. Other names for Hugues were Huges, Hugh, Hugh III Of ALSACE, Hugh II Comte De TOURS, Hugh The Magnificent, Count Of TOURS, Hughs III Of TOURS, Hugo, Count Of TOURS, Hugo, and Greve Av TOURS.

Hugues married Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE 1601,1784.,2770 Ava was born about 779 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died in 860 about age 81. Other names for Ava were Aba, Ada, Bara, and Bava.

514840868639. Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE 415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2770 was born about 779 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died in 860 about age 81. Other names for Ava were Aba, Ada, Bara, and Bava.

Ava married Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE,1601,1784,2769 son of Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE and Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE. Hugues was born in 765 in Upper, Alsace, France and died on 4 November 839 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2770,2771 at age 74. Other names for Hugues were Huges, Hugh, Hugh III Of ALSACE, Hugh II Comte De TOURS, Hugh The Magnificent, Count Of TOURS, Hughs III Of TOURS, Hugo, Count Of TOURS, Hugo, and Greve Av TOURS.

514840868640. Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY,505,1784 son of Wittikind Duke Of WESTPHALIA and Geva EYSTEINSDOTTIR, was born about 770 in Westphalia, Saxony, Germany and died in 827 1784 about age 57. Another name for Wigbert was Wicibert Count Of WESTPHALIA.

Wigbert married Ordrad.1784 Ordrad was born about 772 in Saxony, Germany.

Children from this marriage were:

257420434320       i.  Bruno Duke Of East SAXONY (born about 791 in Saxony, Germany - died in 843 in Saxony, Germany)

257420434328      ii.  Walpert Count Von THRECWITGAU (born about 807 in Witgau, Germany - died about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany)


514840868641. Ordrad 505,1784 was born about 772 in Saxony, Germany.

Ordrad married Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY,1784 son of Wittikind Duke Of WESTPHALIA and Geva EYSTEINSDOTTIR. Wigbert was born about 770 in Westphalia, Saxony, Germany and died in 827 1784 about age 57. Another name for Wigbert was Wicibert Count Of WESTPHALIA.

514840868648. Heinrich Von OBERHEINGAU Count Of Bavaria,505,1784 son of Heinrich Von WORMSGAU Count Of Wethergau and Unknown, was born about 765 in Oberheingau, Bavaria, Germany and died after 820. Another name for Heinrich was Heimrich In SAALGAU.

Heinrich married Hadaburg.2400 Hadaburg was born about 770 in Bavaria, Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434324       i.  Poppo I Count Of SAARGAU (born about 790 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany - died after 860 in Grabfeld, Bavaria, Germany)


514840868649. Hadaburg 505,2400 was born about 770 in Bavaria, Germany.

Hadaburg married Heinrich Von OBERHEINGAU Count Of Bavaria,1784 son of Heinrich Von WORMSGAU Count Of Wethergau and Unknown. Heinrich was born about 765 in Oberheingau, Bavaria, Germany and died after 820. Another name for Heinrich was Heimrich In SAALGAU.

514840868652. Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI,415,505,1601,1746,1784,3117 son of Berenger Of FRIULI and Unknown, was born about 780 in Friuli, Italy and died before 854 1784.

Unroch married Engeltron Of PARIS,3117 daughter of Begue I Count Of PARIS and Aupais Of FRANCE. Engeltron was born about 786 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Amadeus Count Of BURGUNDY was born about 802 in Bourgogne, France and died after 865. Another name for Amadeus was BOURGOGNE.3118

257420434326      ii.  Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER) (born in 800 in Friuli, , Italy - died on 16 December 866 in Italy)

                 iii.  Hedwige Of FRIULI was born about 820 in Friuli, Italy and died in 903 about age 83.

                  iv.  Daughter Of Hunroch Of FRIULI was born about 828 in Friuli, Italy.

                   v.  Daughter Of Hunroch Of FRIULI was born about 830 in Friuli, Italy.


514840868653. Engeltron Of PARIS,415,505,3117 daughter of Begue I Count Of PARIS and Aupais Of FRANCE, was born about 786 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.

Engeltron married Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI,1601,1784,3117 son of Berenger Of FRIULI and Unknown. Unroch was born about 780 in Friuli, Italy and died before 854 1784.


514840868654. Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,3119,3120,3121,3122,3123,3124 son of King Of The Franks Charlemagne Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Countess Of Vinzgau Hildegard Empress Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in August 778 in Chasseneuil, Lot-Et-Garonne Near Poitiers, Aquitaine, France,1436,3120,3124 died on 20 June 840 in Petersaue, Ingelheim Am Rhein, Rhineland Palatinate, Germany 2323,3120,3124,3125 at age 61, and was buried in Aachen Cathedral, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.3126 Other names for Louis were Louis I The Fair, Ludwig Den Fromme, Louis I De FRANCE,3120 Louis I King Of FRANCE, Louis I The Pious Of Aquitaine, King Of FRANCE,1436 Louis I, King Of The LOMBARDS, Louis I Le Pieux Carolingien, and Em;Ereur D' OCCIDENT.

General Notes:
Called The Pious (778-840), Holy Roman emperor (814-40), king of France (814-40), king of Germany (814-40), and king of Aquitaine (781-840). He was the son of Charlemagne, king of the Franks. In 817 Louis made plans providing for the posthumous division of the Carolingian Empire among his three surviving sons, Lothair I, Holy Roman emperor, Louis II, king of Germany, and Charles II, Holy Roman emperor. His reign, however, was troubled by quarrels with his sons, who were dissatisfied with his arrangements for the succession. Louis was physically strong but was easily influenced and was unequal to administering the large empire that he inherited from his father.

In 781, at age 2, Louis I, "Le Pieux", was crowned and anointed King of Aquitaine by Pope Hadrian I, at the same time as his older brother Pepin was made King of Italy. Louis, whose twin brother had died at birth, was the third of Charlemagne's sons by his wife Hildegard. The Diviso Regni of 806indicates that Louis was to have Aquitaine as an independent kingdom upon his father's death. Aquitaine was in effect a March; for much of Louis' reign as sub-king he and his officials were occupied in quelling Gascon revolts and launching offensives into Spain. Unrest had never completely died out in the Pyrenees since the annexation of Aquitaine in 768, and more especially after the disastrous ambush of the Frankish vanguard in Roncesvalles in 778. In about 788, Chorso, Duke of Toulouse was captured by a Gascon named Adelric, and then released after being forced to swear an oath of allegiance to the Gascon or Basque leader. In 793, the Sarracens invaded Septimania, burned the suburbs of Narbonne and marched on Carcassonne, but in 795 Bahlul-ben-Machluc sued with Louis for peace. In 800, he successfully laid siege to Barcelona and subsequently captured Tortosa, Huesca and Pamplona and formed links with the Kingdom of the Asturias. Baptized: on 15 Apr 781; On 15 April 781, Louis was baptized by Pope Hadrian I in Rome. The next day, Easter Sunday, he was confirmed in his title of King of Aquitaine. Married in 794: Ermengarde d'Esbay, daughter of Engueran=Ingram, Count d'Esbay.

Note - between 800 and 837: Louis I established monasteries in Nouaille (a cell of St. Hilaire of Poitiers), Gellone and St. Martin-de-Tours.

After the death of his brothers Pepin and Charles in 810 and 811 respectively, Louis was crowned at Aachen on 13 September 813, Emperor and heir to all of Charlemagne's lands, by Charlemagne himself without any assistance nor even the presence of the Pope. All sources, Frankish as well as papal, refer to Louis as emperor from then on. Charlemagne died 5 months later. All of Louis' sisters were required to quit the palace and retire to their own estates. His cousins, the offsprings of Bernard (Pepin III's half brother) were exhiled: Louis forced Count Wala to become a monk at Corbie; Adalhard was exhiled to Noirmoutier to be held there in custody by the Abbot; Bernhard returned to Lerin and Gundrada had to retreat to St. Radegund's convent of Sainte Croix in Poitiers. Only Theodrada was left unmolested as abbess of Notre Dame at Soissons. Louis I was also known as Louis, "Le Pieux". On 27 February 814, upon learning of the death of his father, and at the age of 36 years, he left Doue-la-Fontaine, in Anjou, to go to Aix-la-Chapelle.

This new emperor, enterred this capital, and poised himself in front of the tomb of Charlemagne. So oversome with grief, his forehead touched the stone floor of the church. Hence the name "Le Pieux". Since he was kind, relative to his times, he was also known as "Le Debonnaire". For himself, he preferred to adopt the title "by divine Providence, Emperor Augustus". When Pope Leo died in May of 816, Stephen IV was elected Pope, and crowned Louis the Emperor on Sunday 5 October by placing a crown on his head during mass at Rheims. He also secured the release of some Roman exhiles in Francia. This crowning was among the first attempts to integrate the Papacy into the institutional framework of the Empire. Louis, 'lest he be led astray in satisfying the natural desires of the body' married Ermengarde, daughter of Count Ingramn. Charlemagne established Doue-la-Fontaine, Chasseneuil (Louis' birthplace), Angeac and Ebreuil as royal residences to maintain Louis and his household. At an assembly in Aachen in July 817, Louis made provisions for his sons' inheritance through the "Ordinatio Imperii". In his preface he states that the unity of the empire preserved for Louis by God should not be destroyed by men. Lothar was given the title of emperor, and as co-ruler with his father at once made heir to the empire, and appointed King of Italy in the event of his father's death. Bernard, then King of Italy was not mentioned, but the implication is that Bernard would be subordinate to Lothar should Louis die. Pepin was made King of Aquitaine (plus Gascony, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Autun, Avallon and Nevers) and Louis, The German, was made King of Bavaria (plus Carinthia, Bohemia, the lands of the Avars and Slavs and the royal manors of Lauterhofen and Ingolstadt). Pepin and Louis were to meet on an annual basis with Lothar to consult and together find "measures to take in the interest of perpetual peace". They could neither start a war nor marry without the approval of their elder brother. Lothar even had the right to de-throne them after three warnings. That same year, 817, Stephen IV obtains his political independence, thus severing the tie between Rome and the Frank Empire as conceived by Charlemagne. The arrangement was neat and all contingencies covered except for the one which took place. After his first wife's (Ermengarde) death, Louis, in 819, married the beautiful Bavarian Judith, daughter of Comte Welf of Bavaria. On 13 June 823 she gave birth to a son. He was called Charles. In September, 824, forgetting his nickname "Le Debonnaire", Louis totally ravages the Bretagne which was rebelling. In 829, at the General Assembly convoked in Worms (Wurm), Louis announces that he is forging a Duchy for his son, Charles, and gives him Alamania, Alsace, Rhetia, and part of Burgundy. The Co-Emperor Lothar, disagrees and has his name removed from imperial decrees and diplomas. Toward the end of 829, the political scene gets very complicated with allegations that Judith had intimate rapports with Bernard, Count of Barcelone, and ultimately desiring the death of the three sons of Hirmingarde. In Mai of 830, in Compiegne, Lothar and Pepin of Aquitaine lead a revolt. Louis is forced to cede on every point of contention. The apanage of the young Charles is eliminated, Judith is locked up in Poitiers at the Monastery of Sainte-Radegonde. In 831, the bishops would note how she had a talent for converting men's hearts and souls, and would allow her to rejoin her husband. In 832, Pepin and Louis revolt against their father. On 24 June 833, the Army of Louis Le Pieux faces those of the rebels. The field of battle in Rothfeld would be named the Field of the Lie (Lugenfeld). The Emperor and his sons begin negotiations. The night of 29 to 30 June, it is clear that the supporters of Louis would be influenced by his three sons. On the morning of 30 June, Louis would have to surrender. It would not be until 1 October that Louis would be deposed by the Assembly led by Agobard, Archbishop of Lyon and Eblon, Archbishop of Reims. On 7 October, Judith is sent to the Monastery of Tortone, Bernard to Prum, and Louis to the Monastery of Saint-Medard-de-Soissons, where in public ceremony, he is forced to lay down his sword, stripped of royal vestments, he is made to don the coarse cloth of a penitent. In 834, Louis and Pepin, tired of being under the control of their brother Lothar, decide to free their father. On 28 February, they succeed in freeing their father and in August in Blois, Lothar swears to Louis Le Pieux, that he would never leave Italy except by his direct command. Throughout 834, the Normands -- Danes, Swedes and Norwegians -- resume their raids. On 28 February 835, the General Assembly proclaims that Louis was innocent of all previous accusations thus clearing the way for him to be re-established as Emperor on the Throne at Saint-Stephen of Metz.

In 837, thanks to the intercessions of Judith, Charles "Le Chauve", receives a Kingdom composed of Frisia, between the Seine, the Meuse and the sea and in September 838, he receives the crown at Quierzy-sur-Oise. In 838, Marseille is devastated by the Sarrasins. On 30 May 839, the Empire is divided in half, with Lothar taking the East, and Charles' lands extend through Provence, Lyon, Toul and Geneva and all the lands of the West. Louis "the German", gets to keep only Bavaria. Married in 819: Judith de Baviere (3628), daughter of Welf II, Count de Baviere and Egilwich=Heilwig, Abbess de Challes ; Louis married Judith upon the death of his first wife, Ermengarde. She bore him a son named Charles in 823. It is clear that Louis was as fond of Charles as Jacob was of his Benjamin. Died: on 22 Jun 840 in Ingelheim, Germany, at age 61 In 840, while attempting to keep Louis "the German" in line, Louis "Le Pieux" is taken ill in Salz. Feeling near death, he sends Lothar his sword and the crown on the condition that he would be loyal to Judith and abide by the lands division agreed to in Worms in 839. He died on an island, near Ingelheim on 22 June. 309. Judith de Baviere (Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.)

(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-40.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 136).

Married Name: de France. Born: circa 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria, daughter of Welf II, Count de Baviere (3626) and Egilwich=Heilwig, Abbess de Challes . Married in 819: Louis I, King de France , son of Charlemagne, Rex Francorum et Langobardorum and Hildegard, Countess de Linzgau ; Louis married Judith upon the death of his first wife, Ermengarde. She bore him a son named Charles in 823. It is clear that Louis was as fond of Charles as Jacob was of his Benjamin. Died: on 19 Apr 843 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Touraine, France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 814-840.

Louis married Ermengarde De HESBAYE,1601,1784,3124 daughter of Ingeramne Duke Of HESBAYE and Mrs-Ingeramme Duchess Of HESBAYE, in 794 in France 1436,3127.,3128 Ermengarde was born in 778 in Hesbaye, Liege, Belgium and died on 3 October 818 in Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 3120,3124,3127 at age 40. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde, Ermengard Av HASPENGAU, Yrmingard Av HASPENGAU, and Irmengard Of HESBAIN.1436

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  King Of Italy Lothaire I Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born in 795 in Altdorf, Bavaria, France,1436,2768,3129 died on 29 September 855 in Abbey Of Pruem, Eifel, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2321,2768,3129 at age 60, and was buried in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandie, France. Other names for Lothaire were Lothair I King Of GERMANY, Lothar I, Konge Av ITALIA, Lothaire I De Germanie, Empereur D' OCCIDENT, Lothair I, and Emperor Of The WEST.2768

                  ii.  Rotrude (Hildegarde) Princess Of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 803 in France 1436 and died on 23 August 860 about age 57. Another name for Rotrude was Hildegard Of FRANCE.

                 iii.  Abbesse Of Laon Hildegarde Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 801 in Of, , , France and died after 841 in , Laon, , Belgium.

                  iv.  Emperor Louis II "The German" Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 805 in Germany,2550,3130 died on 28 August 876 in , Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia 1436,2323,3130,3131 about age 71, and was buried in Lauresheim Abbey, , , Prussia. Other names for Louis were Louis II The German, King Of Bavaria And King Of The EAST FRANKS, and Emperor Ludwig II of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.

                   v.  Pépin I King Of AQUITAINE was born about 803 in Of, , , France 1436 and died between 13 December 835 and 838 about age 32.

                  vi.  Alpaide (Alpais) Princess Of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 808 in Of, , , France and died in Y.

Louis next married Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA,1601,1784,3124 daughter of Welf (Guelph) III Duke Of BAVARIA and Edith (Eigilwich\Heilwig\Hedwig) Of SAXONY, from 2 February 818 to 19 in Aix La Chapell, Austrasia 1436,2321,2323,3120.,3124 Judith was born in 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria and died on 19 April 843 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 1436,1784,2323,3120,3127 at age 43. Other names for Judith were Judith Von ALTDORF, Judith Von ALTORF, Judith Of ALTORP, Judith Of Bavaria, and Abbess Of CHALLES.

Children from this marriage were:

257420434327       i.  Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born in 820 in Aquitaine, France - died on 1 July 874, buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France)

                  ii.  Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born on 15 May 823 in Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia,3132,3133,3134 died on 6 October 877 in Brides-Les-Bains, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 3132,3133,3134 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Charles were Charles II "The Bald" King Of FRANCE, Charles Ii, King De FRANCE,3135 Charles Ii, and King De FRANCEAKA.3133

                 iii.  Alpaide Princess Of FRANCE was born about 825 in France.

Louis next married Various CONCUBINE(S).

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Alpaid, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 794.

                  ii.  Arnulf, Count Of SENS was born in 794.1436

                 iii.  Bertha, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.


514840868655. Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,3119,3121,3124 daughter of Welf (Guelph) III Duke Of BAVARIA and Edith (Eigilwich\Heilwig\Hedwig) Of SAXONY, was born in 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria and died on 19 April 843 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 1436,1784,2323,3120,3127 at age 43. Other names for Judith were Judith Von ALTDORF, Judith Von ALTORF, Judith Of ALTORP, Judith Of Bavaria, and Abbess Of CHALLES.

Judith married Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian,1601,1784,3124 son of King Of The Franks Charlemagne Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Countess Of Vinzgau Hildegard Empress Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, from 2 February 818 to 19 in Aix La Chapell, Austrasia 1436,2321,2323,3120.,3124 Louis was born in August 778 in Chasseneuil, Lot-Et-Garonne Near Poitiers, Aquitaine, France,1436,3120,3124 died on 20 June 840 in Petersaue, Ingelheim Am Rhein, Rhineland Palatinate, Germany 2323,3120,3124,3125 at age 61, and was buried in Aachen Cathedral, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.3126 Other names for Louis were Louis I The Fair, Ludwig Den Fromme, Louis I De FRANCE,3120 Louis I King Of FRANCE, Louis I The Pious Of Aquitaine, King Of FRANCE,1436 Louis I, King Of The LOMBARDS, Louis I Le Pieux Carolingien, and Em;Ereur D' OCCIDENT.

514840868656. Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY,505,1784 son of Wittikind Duke Of WESTPHALIA and Geva EYSTEINSDOTTIR, was born about 770 in Westphalia, Saxony, Germany and died in 827 1784 about age 57. Another name for Wigbert was Wicibert Count Of WESTPHALIA.

Wigbert married Ordrad.1784 Ordrad was born about 772 in Saxony, Germany.

514840868657. Ordrad 505,1784 was born about 772 in Saxony, Germany.

Ordrad married Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY,1784 son of Wittikind Duke Of WESTPHALIA and Geva EYSTEINSDOTTIR. Wigbert was born about 770 in Westphalia, Saxony, Germany and died in 827 1784 about age 57. Another name for Wigbert was Wicibert Count Of WESTPHALIA.

514840868658. Immed Count Of SAXONY 505 was born about 780 in Saxony, Germany.

Immed married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434329       i.  Altburga (Alburgis) Of SAXONY (born about 810 in Saxony, Germany)


514840868662. Dietrich "The Riparian" Count Of SAXONY 505 was born about 780 in Saxony, Germany.

Dietrich married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434331       i.  Ida Of SAXONY (born about 815 in Saxony, Germany - died after 21 November 838)


514840868664. Halfdan Haraldsson King Of HAITHABU,505,1784,2781 son of Harold Eysteinsson King Of HAITHABU and Imhild Of ENGERN, was born about 767 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany and died in 810 in Battle Of Walcheran 1784 about age 43. Another name for Halfdan was Halfdan HARALDSSON King Of Haithabu.

General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post by Stewart Baldwin, 18 Nov 1996:

From: Stewart Baldwin ([email protected])
Subject: Danish kings, 8th & 9th centuries
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/11/18

Relative (son or brother?) of Harald i:
1. Halfdan, may have been the same as the Halptani who was emmisary
of king Sigifrid i in 782. [The identification of Halfdan as the
father of these children depends on the reasonable assumption
that the Hemming son of Halfdan who died in 837 was the same as
the Hemming brother of Harald ii who was a hostage in 812. The
location of Walcheran for Henning's death makes this
identification very likely, considering Harald ii's connections
there.]
Children of Halfdan (and nepotes of Harald i):
1. ANULO, claimant to the throne in 812, d. 812 (see below).
2. HARALD ii, d. 852?, king of Denmark (see below).
3. REGINFRID, d. 814, king of Denmark (see below).
4. Hemming, d. 17 June 837 on Walcheran [AF]. A hostage of Charlemagne in 812 [ARF].

Halfdan married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420434332       i.  Harald II Klak Halfdansson King Of DENMARK (born about 795 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany - died in 844 in Walcheran Island, Netherlands)


514840868666. Helgi "The Keen" FRIDLEIFSSON 505 was born about 770 in Ringerike, Akershus, Norway.

Helgi married Aslaug SIGURDSDATTER, daughter of Sigurd "Snake Eye" Ragnarsson King Of DENMARK and Heluna Bjäju ELLUSDATTER Princess Of England. Aslaug was born about 800 in Jutland, Denmark.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Sigurd Hiort Helgisson King Of RINGERIKE was born about 805 in Ringerike, Hadeland, Akerhus, Norway.

                  ii.  Ingjald HELGISSON was born about 807 in Norway.

257420434333     iii.  Sigrid HELGISDOTTIR (born about 812 in Ringerike, Akershus, Norway)


514840868667. Aslaug SIGURDSDATTER,505 daughter of Sigurd "Snake Eye" Ragnarsson King Of DENMARK and Heluna Bjäju ELLUSDATTER Princess Of England, was born about 800 in Jutland, Denmark.

General Notes:
Dau. of Sigurd Ragnarsson, King of the Danes, and Heluna Princess of England; m. Helgi Fridleifsson. [Terry Walters <[email protected], 2 Nov 2001]

Dau. of Sigurd II Ragnarsson and Heluna of England; m. Helgi Olafsson. [Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

Dau. of Sigurd II 'Snake-in-Eye' Ragnarsson and Heluna (Bleja) of England; m. Helgi 'the Bold' Fridleifsson. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 Dec 2001]

m. Helge den Kvasse Fridleifsson; mothe rof Sigurd Hjort Helgisson, King of Ringerike. [Dirk Peters <[email protected], 15 Jul 2002]

Aslaug married Helgi "The Keen" FRIDLEIFSSON. Helgi was born about 770 in Ringerike, Akershus, Norway.

514840870946. Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE,415,1601,1746,1973,2045 son of Herfast Of ARQUE and Unknown, was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes:
Apparently there is no evidence of what the name was of the father of Gunnor, Senfrie, Herfast, and Avelina. Ancestral Roots states he was a forester of Arque. He was not of Crepon, but later genealogists mistakenly thought the family was of Crepon because Herbastus' son, Herfast, received lands in Crepon, probably due to the relationship of his sister with Duke Richard.

I will leave the "de Crepon" name with the family, just as I have the Plantagenet name with that family, although the Plantagenets were not known by that name until Richard, Duke of York in the 1400's. However I will put a "not' in front of everybody but the son, who was "de Crepon".

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The following is a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

There have been many posts requesting information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:

Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.

Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.

K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7.

Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.

The genealogical information contained in this account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles.

The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins.

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Torigny indicates that Gunnor had numerous nieces, names the descendants of several of them, but the accounts of these families are more difficult to harmonize with other available sources, as has already been seen with niece Joscelina.

One niece is said to have married Nicholas de Bracqueville, and to have had William Martel and Walter de St. Martin. As to Martel, there seems to have been a connection to this family, since Hawise, daughter of Nicholas married Hugh de Wareham, son of a Grippo. Hugh had a brother Geoffrey Martel, but beyond this no recent analysis provides any insight as to the descent of the later Martels. Walter de St. Martin is even more of a problem, since elsewhere Torigny incorrectly makes him brother of William de Warenne, but the ancestry given there is clearly false. Thus it is not clear that Torigny knew the exact connection of Walter, and no evindece to clarify his true origins.

A second niece is said to have married Richard, vicomte of Rouen (who was son of Tesselin). He had a son Lambert of St. Saens, whose son Helias married a bastard daughter of Robert II of Normandy. (If the connection here given is correct, then these two were withing the prohibited degree, which may throw doubt on the relationship, or simply suggest that the relationship did not come to light at the time.) Based on later interactions between Montgomery and Warenne (thought to be related to this branch) it has been speculated that this niece was sister of Joscelina, which is possible but unsupported.

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Finally, Torigny states that a niece married Osmund de Centumvillis, vicote of Vernon, and had a son Fulk de Alnou, and a daughter whose son was Baldwin de Reviers. Much debate has focussed on the attempt to identify these men, but in the latter case, clearly a connection to the Reviers/Vernon Earls of Devon is intended. The precise nature of the relationship is more difficult to pin down. It would seem that the first Earl Richard de Reviers was son of a Baldwin, who had brothers Richard de Vernon (app. d.s.p.) and William Fitz Hugh de Vernon (perhaps a half-brother, who by wife Emma had a son Hugh, often confused with a Hugh, brother of Earl Richard. It is this error that has led to the statement that Emma was the relative of Gunnor, which derives from a set of relationships hypothesized in CP (under Devon) and predicated on her being mother of Hugh, brother of Earl Richard, an untrue relationship.). If Baldwin, father of Earl Richard, was the same as the grandson of Osmund de Centumvillis this would complete the picture, but one more relationship invites comment. Earl Richard is said by an early source, cited by CP, to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern. This may enable us to place the unnamed wife of Osmund as sister of William Fitz Osbern, and thus a great-niece rather than a niece of Gunnor, although this solution strains chronology.

The work of Robert de Torigny thus provides a valuable source for the genealogical origins of the immediate pre-Conquest Norman aristocracy. When it has been possible to compare the information with other sources, some inconsistancies are found, but it is unclear whether these represent errors of Robert, or inaccuracies in the genealogical traditions he was recording. In most cases, an in-depth study of the available material has enabled modern historians to satisfactorilly reconstruct the descents from Gunnor's family and provide a representation of the true relationships among these early Norman families.

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Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973 One source sdays he was Haraldblaafand Of Denmark, King.

Herbastus married Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Gunnhild was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

Herbastus next married Mrs-Herbastus De CREPON 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Herbastus was born about 916 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.

Herbastus next married before 936.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:37785

Herbastus next married before 970.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:59933


514840870947. Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden,415 daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

General Notes:
Dau. of Olaf (Edmundson) Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson; mother of Thyra, Svend I, and Erik (Hring); m. Herbastus de Crepon and was mother of Weoerta/Wevia. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]

b. 923; dau of Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden, and Ingeberg Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon, Forester of Arque; mother of Avelina/Duvelina, Gunnora/Gundra, Herfast, and Eva Senfrie. [Larry Overmire <[email protected], 2 Apr 2003]

Gunnhild married Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE 1601,1973.,2045 Herbastus was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

514840870958. Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,2900,3066 son of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

Herbert married Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE 1526,1601,1784,2546 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Liegarde was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Herbert next married Adela Of NEUSTRIA, daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adèle Queen Of FRANCE. Adela was born in 890.

514840870959. Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1784,2546 daughter of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Adelaide D' ALSACE, was born about 890 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died after March 930-31 1784,2042,2311. Other names for Liegarde were Adela, Hildebrand, Hildebrante,2042 Hildegarde, Liégarde, Adela CAPET, Adela Of FRANCE, Adéle Of FRANCE,2042 Hildebrante (Liegarde) Of NEUSTRIA, Hildebrande De NUESTRIA, and Hildebrant-Liegarde Of NUESTRIA.

Liegarde married Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS 1526,1601,2900,3066 before 907 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Herbert was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.

514840883648. Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE,415,2561 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 893 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died on 13 November 933 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 40. Another name for Adaloff was Adaloff Sur Mer De THEROUANNE.

Adaloff married Mahaut De CREQUY. Mahaut was born about 895 in Crequy, Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

514840883649. Mahaut De CREQUY 415 was born about 895 in Crequy, Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Mahaut married Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE.2561 Adaloff was born about 893 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died on 13 November 933 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 40. Another name for Adaloff was Adaloff Sur Mer De THEROUANNE.

514840883664. Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT,415,1444,1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 son of Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU and Irmengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Reginar/Regnier I, Margrave between the Meuse and the Scheldt, also Count of Hainault, the Hesbaye and several other areas in Lotharingia (modern Lorraine); lay Abbot or temporal guardian of the Abbeys of St Servais de Maestricht, St Maximin, Chevremont, Echternach and Stavelot. [Burke's Peerage]

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Regnier I, d. aft. 25 Oct 915, bef. 19 Jan 916, Count of Hainault; m. (2) Alberade of Mons; m. (1) Hersent of France, dau. of Charles II. [Ancestral Roots line 140-17]

Note: Stewart Baldwin reports on speculation that Reginar was also married to Erentrude of France. She would probably be his 2nd wife. See notes under Ermentrude.

Note: Turton has Regnier married (apparently as his only wife) to Albreda, who may be Alberade of Mons, his 2nd or 3rd wife.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 916. 2112

Régnier married Hersent, Princess De FRANCE,2943 daughter of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Hersent, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Régnier next married Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,1784,2944,2949 daughter of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, about 890 in 2ND Wife - Possibly.2944 Ermentrude was born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.2949 Other names for Ermentrude were Ermentrude Von FRANCIA, and2950 Ermentrude Of West FRANKS.

Régnier next married Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS 1784,2112,2943 about 896 in 2ND Wife 2945.,2948 Alberade was born about 880 in Mons, Lorraine, France and died in 916 2945,2951 about age 36. Other names for Alberade were Alberade Of LORRAINE, Albreda Of LORRAINE, Alberade Of MONS, and Albrada De MONS.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 919. 1784

514840883665. Hersent, Princess De FRANCE,415,1444,2943,2948,2951,3062 daughter of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Hersent, married Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT,1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 son of Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU and Irmengarde De LORRAINE, in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Régnier was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

514840883666. Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY,1601,1746,2112,2780 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 860 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2780 about age 61. Another name for Richard was Richard De AUTUN.

Richard married Adelaide Of AUXERRE,2112,2780 daughter of Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of HAUTE ALSACE, about 892. Adelaide was born about 872 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 929 about age 57. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide De AUXERRE, Adélaïde De BOURGOGNE, and Adelaide Of BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Richilde Of BURGUNDY was born about 915 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Richilde was Richilde De CHALONS.

257420441833      ii.  Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY (born about 895 in Bourgogne, France)

                 iii.  Willa Of BURGUNDY was born about 900 in Bourgogne, France.


514840883667. Adelaide Of AUXERRE,415,505,1444,2112,2323,2540,2780 daughter of Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of HAUTE ALSACE, was born about 872 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 929 about age 57. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide De AUXERRE, Adélaïde De BOURGOGNE, and Adelaide Of BURGUNDY.

Adelaide married Richard 'The Justiciar" Of AUTUN Duke Of Burgundy,2112,2780 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, about 892.2540 Richard was born in 867 in France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, France 2540,2780 at age 54. Other names for Richard were Richard De AUTUN, Richard II Le Justicier, Duc Bénéficiaire De BOURGOGNE, Richard Le Justicier, and Duke Of BURGUNDY.2323

Adelaide next married Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY,1601,2112,2780 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, about 892. Richard was born about 860 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2780 about age 61. Another name for Richard was Richard De AUTUN.

514840883672. Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE,415,1444,1447,3089 son of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, was born on 17 September 879 in France,3089,3090 died on 7 October 929 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 3089,3090 at age 50, and was buried in St Fursi, Peronne.

General Notes:
King of France 893-922, known as "The Simple"

Gave his daughter, Gisella, to Rollo, the Viking, in order to stop the raids on the coast. Gave the coast to Rollo to protect. Rollo thus became the first Duke of Normandy.

SOURCES:
Charles III, King de France
(Andre Roux: Scrolls,191.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 308.)
(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-37.)
(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Also Known As: Charles "Le Simple". Born: on 17 Sep 879 in Clermont, Oise, France, son of Louis II, King de France and Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris . (Or was his mother Judith. If he was born posthumously it would have been by the second wife)

Note - between 893 and 929: Charles III was the posthumous son of Louis "Le Begue", and was crowned King in 893 by Fouques, Archbishop of Reims, with the full support of Odon's brother Robert, Richard of Burgundy, William of the Auvergne and Herbert of Vermandois. Baldwin (Baudouin) of Flanders made his submission later. He was a rival of the effective King, the Count Eudes who, upon Odon's death in 898, recognized Charles' rights. With the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte (911), Charles gave Normandy to the Viking Chief Rollo making him first Duke of Normandy, and pacifying the Seine Vikings. That year, 911, Charles also became King of Lotharingia, which may have been related in part to the fact that his first wife, Frederuna who bore him 6 daughters, was Lotharingian. He revived the title Rex Francorum. In 919, when Charles fought the Magyars, none of the nobles except for Heriveus, the Archbishop of Reims sent him any troops for assistance. In 920, Robert led a revolt against Charles.

Some Lotharingian nobles, led by Gilbert (Gislebert) son of Ragnar Longneck, declared their independence from Charles' authority. Gilbert invoked the aid of the new ruler of the East Franks, a Saxon known as Henry "the Fowler" ("l'Oiseleur"). Charles, after quelling the resistance of the Lotharingian Count Ricoin made a treaty with Henry at Bonn in 921. They met on equal terms as Rex Francorum Occidentalium (Charles) and Rex Francorum Orientalium (Henry). Charles was deposed in 922 by Herbert, Count of Vermandois upon the death of his main supporter, Richard of Burgundy. Charles and his favorite Hagano fled to hide in Lotharingia. During his absence, Robert was elected King and crowned by Walter, Archbishop of Sens under the nose of Heriveus who was on his deathbed (he died 3 days later). Charles met Robert in battle at Soissons on 15 June 923. Robert was killed, but the forces led by his son Hugh and by Herbert of Vermandois defeated the King's army and Charles retreated. On 13 July 923, a new King Ralph, the eldest son of Richard The Justiciar of Burgundy was elected King and anointed in the Church of St. Medard at Soissons by Walter, Archbishop of Sens.

Married between 905 and 929: N. concubines; Charles Le Simple had several concubines throughout his adulthood.
Married in Apr 907: Frederune de Lotharingie, daughter of Dietrich, Count de Lotharingie ; Charles III Le Simple had 6 daughters with Frederune, his first wife.
Married in 917: Eadgifu=Ogive=Hadwige, Princess of England, daughter of Edward I, King of England and Eadgifu=Edgiva of Kent.

Died: on 7 Oct 929 in Peronne, Somme, France, at age 50 Charles was murdered while in captivity at the Tower of Peronne on 7-Oct-929. Charles III is buried at Saint Fursy.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 898-923

Charles married Frédérune HAMALANT, daughter of Dietrich Count Of HAMALAND and Unknown, about April 907 in 2ND Wife. Frédérune was born about 886 in Hamaland, Netherlands and died from 10 February 916 to 917 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France about age 30.

Charles next married Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND,1601,1784,2910 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, in 918 in 3rd Wife 3090.,3097 Eadgifu was born in 904 in Wessex, England 2321 and died in 951 3090,3097 at age 47. Other names for Eadgifu were Eadgifu, Edgiva, and Ogive Des ANGLOS-SAXONS.

514840883673. Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND,415,505,1444,1447,1601,1746,1784,2910 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, was born in 904 in Wessex, England 2321 and died in 951 3090,3097 at age 47. Other names for Eadgifu were Eadgifu, Edgiva, and Ogive Des ANGLOS-SAXONS.

Eadgifu married Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE,3089 son of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, in 918 in 3rd Wife 3090.,3097 Charles was born on 17 September 879 in France,3089,3090 died on 7 October 929 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 3089,3090 at age 50, and was buried in St Fursi, Peronne.

Eadgifu next married Count Of Tours Herbert De VERMANDOIS,1601 son of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, in 951 in St. Quentin, -, France.2321 Herbert was born about 911 in Of, Vermandois, Neustria, died on 28 December 993 about age 82, and was buried in Abbaye DE Lagny, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Stephen I, Count Of VERMANDOIS was born about 952.

                  ii.  Agnes MEANS AND TROYES was born in 953.2321


514840885248. Aubri "Dux" Viscount Of ORLEANS 415 was born about 800 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.

Aubri married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442624       i.  Geoffrey (Or Orleans) Of The GATINAIS (born in 830 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France)


514840885320. Hugh Du MAINE,3136 son of Hugh Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 935 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 992 3136.

Hugh married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442660       i.  Hugh I Comte Du MAINE (born about 960 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died in 1015)


514840885328. Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE,415,1444,1447,3137 son of Oberto Azzo Conte Di Lucca & ESTE and Guilla Of SPOLETO, was born about 947 in -, Este, Italy 3138 and died about 1014 3138 about age 67. Other names for Oberto were Obert II, Azzo, Merchese D' ESTE, Oberto II D' ESTE, Alberto Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, Othbert Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE, Othbert II MARCHESS OF LIGUNIA, and COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE.

Oberto married Railenda Of RIPRANDO.3139 Railenda was born about 949 in -, Este, Italy and died in 999 about age 50. Other names for Railenda were Railende, Railinda, Railando Of CUMO, and Railinda RUPRANDI.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gisela Di ESTE was born about 970 in Este, Tuscany, Italy.

257420442664      ii.  Albert Azzo I Of Tuscany, Marquis D' ESTE (born in 979 in Este, Tuscany, Italy - died in 1029)

257420470291     iii.  Bertha Of LIGURIA (born in 980 in Este, Tuscany, Italy - died after 4 November 1037)


514840885329. Railenda Of RIPRANDO,415,1444,1447,3139 daughter of Riprand, Count Of PIACENZA and Railinda Of VERTICILIO, was born about 949 in -, Este, Italy and died in 999 about age 50. Other names for Railenda were Railende, Railinda, Railando Of CUMO, and Railinda RUPRANDI.

Railenda married Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE,3137 son of Oberto Azzo Conte Di Lucca & ESTE and Guilla Of SPOLETO. Oberto was born about 947 in -, Este, Italy 3138 and died about 1014 3138 about age 67. Other names for Oberto were Obert II, Azzo, Merchese D' ESTE, Oberto II D' ESTE, Alberto Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, Othbert Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE, Othbert II MARCHESS OF LIGUNIA, and COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE.

514840885330. Pietro IV CANDIANO Doge Of Venice,3139 son of Pietro III CANDIANO Doge Of Venice and Unknown, was born about 925 in Venice, Italy and died in 976 in Venice, Italy 3138 about age 51.

Pietro married Valdrada Of TUSCANY,3139 daughter of Umberto (Humbert) Marquis Of TUSCANY and Guilla Of SPOLETO. Valdrada was born about 930 in Tuscany, Italy.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Vitalo CANDIANO was born about 945 in Venice, Italy.

257420442665      ii.  Valdrada Of VENICE (born before 977 in Venice, Italy - died after 1012)


514840885331. Valdrada Of TUSCANY,3139 daughter of Umberto (Humbert) Marquis Of TUSCANY and Guilla Of SPOLETO, was born about 930 in Tuscany, Italy.

Valdrada married Pietro IV CANDIANO Doge Of Venice,3139 son of Pietro III CANDIANO Doge Of Venice and Unknown. Pietro was born about 925 in Venice, Italy and died in 976 in Venice, Italy 3138 about age 51.


514840885472. Edmund I "The Magnificent" King Of ENGLAND,415,505,1416,1444,3105,3140 son of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Edgiva Meapham Of SAXE-KENT, was born in 923 in Berkampsted, Suffolk, England,378,1416,1436,3105 died on 26 May 946 in Pucklechurch, Dorset, England 1416,1436,3105 at age 23, and was buried in Glastonbury Abbey, Somerset, England.1436 Another name for Edmund was Edmund I Of Saxe-Wessex, King Of WESSEX AND MERCIA.

General Notes:
Stabbed to death by a robber, while attempting to defend his steward from the attack.

Edmund I, byname EDMUND, THE DEED-DOER, Latin EDMUNDUS MAGNIFICUS (b. 921 - d. 26 May 946, Pucklechurch, England), king of the English (939-946), who recaptured areas of northern England that had been occupied by the Vikings.

He was the son of the West Saxon king Edward the Elder (reigned 899-924) and the half brother of King Athelstan (reigned 924-939), under whom the political unification of England had been accomplished. On Athelstan's death (939), Olaf Guthfrithson, the Norse king of Dublin, occupied Northumbria and raided the Midlands.

Edmund recovered the Midlands after Olaf died in 942, and in 944 he regained Northumbria, driving out the Norse kings Olaf Sihtricson and Raegnald. He capture Strathclyde in 945 and entrusted it to Malcolm I, king of Scots, in return for a promise of military support. Thus, Edmund inaugurated a policy of establishing a secure frontier and peaceful relations with Scotland. In addition, his reign marks the beginning of the 10th-century monastic revival in England. The king was killed in his palace by an exiled robber and was succeeded by his brother, Eadred (reigned 946-955); Edmund's sons eventually acceded to power as kings Eadwig (reigned 957-959) and Edgar (reigned 959-975). [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 939-946. 2303

Edmund married St Alfgifu Of ENGLAND,1416,2303,3105 daughter of Sigehelm I Ealdorman Of KENT and Elfrida, in 1st Wife.1416 St was born in 922 in Wessex, England and died in 944 in Shaftsbury Abbey, England 1416,2303 at age 22.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Eadwig (Edwy) King Of ENGLAND was born about 940 in Wessex, England 3141 and died in 959 2303 about age 19.

257420442736      ii.  Edgar I "The Peaceful" King Of ENGLAND (born in 943 in Wessex, England - died on 8 July 975)


514840885473. St Alfgifu Of ENGLAND,415,1416,2303,3105 daughter of Sigehelm I Ealdorman Of KENT and Elfrida, was born in 922 in Wessex, England and died in 944 in Shaftsbury Abbey, England 1416,2303 at age 22.

St married Edmund I "The Magnificent" King Of ENGLAND,1416,3105,3140 son of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Edgiva Meapham Of SAXE-KENT, in 1st Wife.1416 Edmund was born in 923 in Berkampsted, Suffolk, England,378,1416,1436,3105 died on 26 May 946 in Pucklechurch, Dorset, England 1416,1436,3105 at age 23, and was buried in Glastonbury Abbey, Somerset, England.1436 Another name for Edmund was Edmund I Of Saxe-Wessex, King Of WESSEX AND MERCIA.

514840885474. Ordgar Ealdorman Of DEVON 415,1416,2986,2989 was born in 922 in Lydford Castle, Devonshire, England. Another name for Ordgar was Ordgar EALDORMAN Of Devon.

Ordgar married Wulfrith. Wulfrith was born about 925 in England.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442737       i.  Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) ORDGARSDOTTIR (born in 945 in Lydford Castle, Devonshire, England - died in 1000 in Whenwell, England)


514840885475. Wulfrith 415 was born about 925 in England.

Wulfrith married Ordgar Ealdorman Of DEVON 1416,2986.,2989 Ordgar was born in 922 in Lydford Castle, Devonshire, England. Another name for Ordgar was Ordgar EALDORMAN Of Devon.

514840885476. Gunnor Of NORTHUMBERLAND 415,1416 was born in 908 in Northumbria, England.

Gunnor married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442738       i.  Thored Ealdorman Of NORTHUMBERLAND (born in 938 in Northumbria, England)


514840885488. Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY,415,2801,2856 son of Arpad Prince Of HUNGARY Chief Of The Magyars and Unknown, was born about 870 in Pannonia, Hungary 2992 and died in 947 2856 about age 77. Another name for Zoltan was Zsolt Count Of UNGARN.

General Notes: Magyr leader invaded western & southern Europe

933. defeated by Saxons

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 896. 2801,2856

Zoltan married Unknown 1St Wife Or MISTRESS. Unknown was born about 880 in Ungarn (German For Hungary).

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Agnes Of UNGARN was born before 900 in Ungarn (German For Hungary).

Zoltan next married Men Princess Of BIHAR,2801,2856 daughter of Marot Duke Of BIHAR and Unknown, before 930. Men was born about 900 in Bihar, Hungary.2801

The child from this marriage was:

257420442744       i.  Taksony (Toxus) Prince Of HUNGARY (born in 931 in Szekesfehervar, Frjer, Hungary - died in 972)


514840885489. Men Princess Of BIHAR,415,2801,2856 daughter of Marot Duke Of BIHAR and Unknown, was born about 900 in Bihar, Hungary.2801

Men married Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY,2801,2856 son of Arpad Prince Of HUNGARY Chief Of The Magyars and Unknown, before 930. Zoltan was born about 870 in Pannonia, Hungary 2992 and died in 947 2856 about age 77. Another name for Zoltan was Zsolt Count Of UNGARN.

514840885496. Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1598,1601,1746,2314,2315,2316 son of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 919-936.

Heinrich married Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM,1601,2316,2319,2320 daughter of Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM and Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND, in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Matilda, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.

Heinrich next married Hatheburg Countess Of MERSEBURG 1601 about 905 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany>. Hatheburg was born in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> and died in Y.

514840885497. Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2316,2319,2320 daughter of Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM and Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND, was born about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1436,2319 and died from 14 March 967 to 968 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 2317,2319 about age 77. Other names for Matilda, were Mechtilde,2321 Mathilde De RHEINGELHEIM, Matilda Von Oldenburg, Countess Von RINGELHEIM, and Mechtilde Of RINGELHEIM.

General Notes:
Daughter of Count Dietrich of Westphalia and Reinhild of Denmark, she was raised by her grandmother, abbess of the Eufurt. In 913, Matilda left the abbey, and married of King Henry the Fowler of Saxony, who had received an annulment from a previous marriage. Mother of Otto, Holy Roman Emporer; Henry the Quarrelsome, Duke of Bavaria; Saint Bruno, Archbishop of Cologne; Gerberga, wife of King Louis IV of France; Hedwig, mother of Hugh Capet. Betrayed by Otto after Henry the Fowler's death when he falsely accused her of financial mismanagement. Founded several Benedictine. Well known throughout the realm for her generosity, she taught the ignorant, comforted the sick, and visited prisoners. 1741

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 14 May 968. 1784

Matilda, married Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,1598,1601,2315,2316 son of Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY and Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, in 909 in <Of, , Saxony, Germany> 1436.,2319 Heinrich was born about 876 in Saxony, Germany,1598,2317 died on 2 July 936 in Membleben, Saxony, Germany 1598,2317,2318 about age 60, and was buried in Quedlinburg.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Henry Auceps, L'oiseleur=The Fowler, Heinrich I Count Of FUGLEFAENGER, Henri I L'oiseleur Von Sachesn, Roi De GERMANIE, Heinrich I The Fowler, King Of The GERMANS, Henry I The Fowler, and King Of The SAXONS.

514840885498. Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA,415,1444,1447,1784,2844,2993,3142 son of Liutpold Von Babenberg, Margrave Of BAVARIA and Kunigunde (Cunigunda) Of SWABIA, was born in 885 in Nordgau, Schaben, Bavaria 1447,3143 and died on 14 July 937 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria 1436,2779,2844,3143,3144 at age 52. Other names for Arnulf were Arnulf Der Böse, Le Mauvais=The Bad, Arnolphus I Count Of MALUS, Adalbert II Of THURGAU, Adalbert Ii, and Count De THURGOVIE.

General Notes:
I originally had Arnolphous Count of Malus & Arnulf "The Bad" Duke of Bavaria, as two different people, until I noticed the similarity in names, the approximate birth/death dates, and the parents indicated (Arnolphous' parents were Luitpold Count of Carinthia & Cunigunde of Swabia). Which leads me to believe that Arnolphous & Arnulf were one and the same person. I have not found "Malus" on any map, but it certainly could be a synonym for "Bad". Carol Collins, in her post to SGM, named him "Arnolph Malus, Duke of Bavarioa", which seems awfully close to "Arnulf the Bad, Duke of Bavaria".

Agnes was considered to be a wife of Count Malus, and she could have been a mistress (or pagan wife) while Arnulf was married to Judith, or Agnes could have been his 2nd wife, making her also mother of Arnulf's younger son Leopold. Judy Collins had Agnes as daughter of a different Prince of Hungary (Toxus), but her dates had him born about the same time as I have Zoltan in the line I was following. I am not sure which Prince of Hungary was her father? @@@check ancestry

Turton has Gerberga of Wurzburg as Arnulf's only wife and mother of all of his children. Since Turton has the eldest son Arnulf II born 907, which is before Arnulf's marriage to Judith (910), I am making Gerberga Arnulf's 1st wife and mother of Arnulf, with the remainder of the children by his other two wives.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 907. 1436

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 938.

Arnulf married Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU,1784,2844 daughter of Eberhard Count Of SULICHGAU and Unknown, about 910 2779.,2844 Jutte was born in 894 in Friuli, Italy and died before 924. Another name for Jutte was Jeutte Von SEULICHGAU.

Children from this marriage were:

257420443244       i.  Berthold Margrave Of The NORDGAU (born about 915 in Nordgau, Schwaben, Bavaria - died on 15 January 979-980)

                  ii.  Heinrich (Henry) Count Of VERDUN was born about 920 in Verdun, France.

Arnulf next married Gerberga Of WURZBURG 3142 in 1st Wife. Gerberga was born about 890 and died before 910.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Arnulf II Count Of BAVARIA was born in 907 in Bavaria 3143 and died on 22 July 954 3143 at age 47.

Arnulf next married Agnes Of UNGARN,2993 daughter of Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY and Unknown 1St Wife Or MISTRESS, before 924 in 3rd Wife. Agnes was born before 900 in Ungarn (German For Hungary).

Children from this marriage were:

257420442749       i.  Judith Of BAVARIA (born about 925 in Bayern, Germany - died about 987)

                  ii.  Leopold I "The Illustrious" Margrave Of AUSTRIA was born before 932 in Peochlam, Niedereosterreich, Austria 2553 and died on 10 July 994 in Wurzburg, Unterfrank, Bavaria 2553.


514840885499. Agnes Of UNGARN,415,2993 daughter of Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY and Unknown 1St Wife Or MISTRESS, was born before 900 in Ungarn (German For Hungary).

General Notes: Carol Collins, citing Henry Drummond's "History of Noble British Families", has Agnes as daughter of Toxus, d. 990, reigned 90 years as pagan King, which would put his birth 880-890 (living to be 100-110 years old?). The line I was following has Agnes as daughter of Zoltan, Toxus' father. The line I followed had Zoltan born about the same time that Carol says Toxus was born. Carol Collins states that Agnes married "Arnolph Malus, Duke of Bavarioa", who I think is the same person as Arnulf "The Bad" Duke of Bavaria.

Note: Ungarn is apparently nothing more than the German word for Hungary, or for Magyar, the people who conquered Hungary (presumably from the Huns).

Agnes married Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA,1784,2844,2993,3142 son of Liutpold Von Babenberg, Margrave Of BAVARIA and Kunigunde (Cunigunda) Of SWABIA, before 924 in 3rd Wife. Arnulf was born in 885 in Nordgau, Schaben, Bavaria 1447,3143 and died on 14 July 937 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria 1436,2779,2844,3143,3144 at age 52. Other names for Arnulf were Arnulf Der Böse, Le Mauvais=The Bad, Arnolphus I Count Of MALUS, Adalbert II Of THURGAU, Adalbert Ii, and Count De THURGOVIE.

514840885500. Rudolph II Of Burgundy, King Of ITALY,415,505,1444,2539,2909,2913 son of Rudolph I King Of BURGUNDY and Gisele, was born in 888 in Bourgogne, France 1447,2539 and died on 11 July 937 1447,2323,2539 at age 49. Another name for Rudolph was Rodolphe Ii, Roi De BOURGOGNE.

Rudolph married Bertha Von SWABIA,2539,2913 daughter of Berkhard II Duke Of SWABIA and Regilinde De NULLENBURG, about 922 2323.,2539 Bertha was born in 907 in Swabia, Germany 1447,2539 and died on 11 August 967 1447,3145 at age 60. Other names for Bertha were Berthe, and Bertha Von SCHWABEN.

Children from this marriage were:

257420442750       i.  Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY (born in 924 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died on 19 October 993)

                  ii.  Empress Of The Holy Roman Adelheid Princess Of BURGUNDY St was born about 931 in Of, , Bourgogne, France 1436,3146 and died on 17 December 999 in , Selz, Alsace, France 2323,3146 about age 68. Other names for Adelheid were Adelheida, by God's gift Empress, by herself a poor sinner and God's maidservant,1741 BOURGOGNE, Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, Adelheide Of BURGUNDY, and Adelheid HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.1741

                 iii.  Rudolf Of ITALY died living 961/62 2323.

                  iv.  Bouchard, Archbishop Of LYON died from 957 to 959 2323.


514840885501. Bertha Von SWABIA,415,505,1444,2539,2909,2913 daughter of Berkhard II Duke Of SWABIA and Regilinde De NULLENBURG, was born in 907 in Swabia, Germany 1447,2539 and died on 11 August 967 1447,3145 at age 60. Other names for Bertha were Berthe, and Bertha Von SCHWABEN.

Bertha married Rudolph II Of Burgundy, King Of ITALY,2539,2913 son of Rudolph I King Of BURGUNDY and Gisele, about 922 2323.,2539 Rudolph was born in 888 in Bourgogne, France 1447,2539 and died on 11 July 937 1447,2323,2539 at age 49. Another name for Rudolph was Rodolphe Ii, Roi De BOURGOGNE.

Bertha next married Hugues D'arles King Of ITALY,3138,3147,3148 son of Theobald I Count Of ARLES and Bertha Princess Of LORRAINE Abbess Of Avenay, on 12 December 937 1447.,3145 Hugues was born about 880 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 10 April 947 in Lucca, Tuscany, Italy 1447,3138,3147 about age 67. Other names for Hugues were Hugo, Hugh D' ARLES King Of Italy, Hugues D'arles, Roi D' ITALIE, and Hugo Of PROVENCE.


514840885502. Gebhard Konradiner, Graf Im UFGAU,1444 son of Eberhard Konradiner Av NIEDERLAHNGAU and Wiltrud, was born about 895 and died from 947 to 948 1447,3095,3096 about age 52. Other names for Gebhard were Gebhard LOGENAHE, Gebhard Av UFGAU, Gebhard, Count In The UFGAU 3095., and3096

Gebhard married Adela De VERMANDOIS,1601,1784 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS. Adela was born about 895 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Conrad I, Duke Of ALSACE was born about 920 and died about 982 3095,3096 about age 62. Other names for Conrad were Konrad Konradiner, Herzog Von ELSASS, Konrad, Count In The RHEINGAU 3095., and3096

257420442751      ii.  Adelaide Of BELLAY (born about 935 in Germany - died before 964)


514840885503. Adela De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1447,1601,1746,1784 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born about 895 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.

Adela married Gebhard Konradiner, Graf Im UFGAU, son of Eberhard Konradiner Av NIEDERLAHNGAU and Wiltrud. Gebhard was born about 895 and died from 947 to 948 1447,3095,3096 about age 52. Other names for Gebhard were Gebhard LOGENAHE, Gebhard Av UFGAU, Gebhard, Count In The UFGAU 3095., and3096

514840885528. Renard Sire De BROYES 2806 was born about 970 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France.

Renard married Heloise De BLOIS,2806 daughter of Eudes I Comte De BLOIS and Bertha Of ARLES. Heloise was born about 980 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442764       i.  Isembert Sire De BROYES (born about 997 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France - died after 1028)


514840885529. Heloise De BLOIS,415,2806 daughter of Eudes I Comte De BLOIS and Bertha Of ARLES, was born about 980 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France.

Heloise married Renard Sire De BROYES.2806 Renard was born about 970 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France.

514840885576. Hugues III Count Of Lower-Alsace & EGISHEIM,415,2755 son of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 940 in Alsace, France and died in 984 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France 2755 about age 44. Other names for Hugues were Hugues III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE & Egisheim, and Hugo V Count Of NORDGAU & Egisheim.

Hugues married Berlinda Von ORTENBURG 2755 about 959 of Nordgau Region, Medieval States. Berlinda was born about 940 in Ortenburg, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

257420442788       i.  Hugo VI Von EGISHEIM Count Of Lower Lorraine (born in 960 in Alsace, France - died before 1049 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France)


514840885577. Berlinda Von ORTENBURG 2755 was born about 940 in Ortenburg, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany.

General Notes: grandaughter of Arnulf, a German King.

Berlinda married Hugues III Count Of Lower-Alsace & EGISHEIM,2755 son of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, about 959 of Nordgau Region, Medieval States. Hugues was born about 940 in Alsace, France and died in 984 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France 2755 about age 44. Other names for Hugues were Hugues III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE & Egisheim, and Hugo V Count Of NORDGAU & Egisheim.

514840885578. Ludwig II Count Of DAGSBURG 2112,2996,3149 was born in 940 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1010 in Dasburg, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. Another name for Ludwig was Ludwig Count Von DASBURG.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth Dagsburg, Germany, Abt 970.

Ludwig married Judith Konradiner Of OHNINGEN,2400 daughter of Duke Of Swabia Konrad I Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Richilde, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. Judith was born about 949 in Öhningen, Konstanz, Baden, Germany. Another name for Judith was Jutta.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Mathilde (Maud) Von DAGSBURG was born about 970 in Dasburg, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. Another name for Mathilde was Matilde Von DASBURG.

257420442789      ii.  Heilwig (Helvide) Von DAGSBURG (born about 972 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died in 1046)

                 iii.  Kuno Count Von RHEINFELDEN was born about 990 in Rheinfelden, Baden-Wüerttemberg, Germany and died in 1036 1849 about age 46.


514840885579. Judith Konradiner Of OHNINGEN,1444,2400,3095,3096 daughter of Duke Of Swabia Konrad I Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Richilde, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 949 in Öhningen, Konstanz, Baden, Germany. Another name for Judith was Jutta.

Judith married Ludwig II Count Of DAGSBURG 2112,2996.,3149 Ludwig was born in 940 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1010 in Dasburg, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. Another name for Ludwig was Ludwig Count Von DASBURG.

514840885712. Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE,415,1601,1746,1973,2045 son of Herfast Of ARQUE and Unknown, was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes:
Apparently there is no evidence of what the name was of the father of Gunnor, Senfrie, Herfast, and Avelina. Ancestral Roots states he was a forester of Arque. He was not of Crepon, but later genealogists mistakenly thought the family was of Crepon because Herbastus' son, Herfast, received lands in Crepon, probably due to the relationship of his sister with Duke Richard.

I will leave the "de Crepon" name with the family, just as I have the Plantagenet name with that family, although the Plantagenets were not known by that name until Richard, Duke of York in the 1400's. However I will put a "not' in front of everybody but the son, who was "de Crepon".

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The following is a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

There have been many posts requesting information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:

Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.

Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.

K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7.

Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.

The genealogical information contained in this account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles.

The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins.

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Torigny indicates that Gunnor had numerous nieces, names the descendants of several of them, but the accounts of these families are more difficult to harmonize with other available sources, as has already been seen with niece Joscelina.

One niece is said to have married Nicholas de Bracqueville, and to have had William Martel and Walter de St. Martin. As to Martel, there seems to have been a connection to this family, since Hawise, daughter of Nicholas married Hugh de Wareham, son of a Grippo. Hugh had a brother Geoffrey Martel, but beyond this no recent analysis provides any insight as to the descent of the later Martels. Walter de St. Martin is even more of a problem, since elsewhere Torigny incorrectly makes him brother of William de Warenne, but the ancestry given there is clearly false. Thus it is not clear that Torigny knew the exact connection of Walter, and no evindece to clarify his true origins.

A second niece is said to have married Richard, vicomte of Rouen (who was son of Tesselin). He had a son Lambert of St. Saens, whose son Helias married a bastard daughter of Robert II of Normandy. (If the connection here given is correct, then these two were withing the prohibited degree, which may throw doubt on the relationship, or simply suggest that the relationship did not come to light at the time.) Based on later interactions between Montgomery and Warenne (thought to be related to this branch) it has been speculated that this niece was sister of Joscelina, which is possible but unsupported.

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Finally, Torigny states that a niece married Osmund de Centumvillis, vicote of Vernon, and had a son Fulk de Alnou, and a daughter whose son was Baldwin de Reviers. Much debate has focussed on the attempt to identify these men, but in the latter case, clearly a connection to the Reviers/Vernon Earls of Devon is intended. The precise nature of the relationship is more difficult to pin down. It would seem that the first Earl Richard de Reviers was son of a Baldwin, who had brothers Richard de Vernon (app. d.s.p.) and William Fitz Hugh de Vernon (perhaps a half-brother, who by wife Emma had a son Hugh, often confused with a Hugh, brother of Earl Richard. It is this error that has led to the statement that Emma was the relative of Gunnor, which derives from a set of relationships hypothesized in CP (under Devon) and predicated on her being mother of Hugh, brother of Earl Richard, an untrue relationship.). If Baldwin, father of Earl Richard, was the same as the grandson of Osmund de Centumvillis this would complete the picture, but one more relationship invites comment. Earl Richard is said by an early source, cited by CP, to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern. This may enable us to place the unnamed wife of Osmund as sister of William Fitz Osbern, and thus a great-niece rather than a niece of Gunnor, although this solution strains chronology.

The work of Robert de Torigny thus provides a valuable source for the genealogical origins of the immediate pre-Conquest Norman aristocracy. When it has been possible to compare the information with other sources, some inconsistancies are found, but it is unclear whether these represent errors of Robert, or inaccuracies in the genealogical traditions he was recording. In most cases, an in-depth study of the available material has enabled modern historians to satisfactorilly reconstruct the descents from Gunnor's family and provide a representation of the true relationships among these early Norman families.

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Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973 One source sdays he was Haraldblaafand Of Denmark, King.

Herbastus married Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Gunnhild was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

Herbastus next married Mrs-Herbastus De CREPON 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Herbastus was born about 916 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.

Herbastus next married before 936.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:37785

Herbastus next married before 970.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:59933


514840885713. Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden,415 daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

General Notes:
Dau. of Olaf (Edmundson) Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson; mother of Thyra, Svend I, and Erik (Hring); m. Herbastus de Crepon and was mother of Weoerta/Wevia. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]

b. 923; dau of Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden, and Ingeberg Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon, Forester of Arque; mother of Avelina/Duvelina, Gunnora/Gundra, Herfast, and Eva Senfrie. [Larry Overmire <[email protected], 2 Apr 2003]

Gunnhild married Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE 1601,1973.,2045 Herbastus was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

514840886464. Berenger Comte De NAMUR 1784,1882 was born about 890 in Namur, France and died in 946 1784 about age 56.

Berenger married Symphorienne Of Lorraine & HAINAULT,1784,1882 daughter of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS. Symphorienne was born about 890 in Lorraine, France and died in 952 1447,1784 about age 62. Another name for Symphorienne was Symphoria.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443232       i.  Robert I Comte De LOMME (born about 924 in Lomme, France - died in 981)


514840886465. Symphorienne Of Lorraine & HAINAULT,415,1444,1784,1882 daughter of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS, was born about 890 in Lorraine, France and died in 952 1447,1784 about age 62. Another name for Symphorienne was Symphoria.

Symphorienne married Berenger Comte De NAMUR 1784.,1882 Berenger was born about 890 in Namur, France and died in 946 1784 about age 56.

514840886466. Otto Count Of LORRAINE,415,1444,1784 son of Richwin Count Of VERDUN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 920 in Lorraine, France and died in 955 about age 35.

General Notes: This Otto is not to be confused with Otto, Duke of Lower Lorraine (970-1106/12), who is elsewhere in my files. Alan B. Wilson did not indicate any parents for Otto Count of Lorraine.

Otto married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443233       i.  Ermengarde De LORRAINE (born about 950 in Lorraine, France)


514840886468. Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE,415,1444,1784,2786 son of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born in 953 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 1447,2787,2788 and died on 21 May 994 in Kerker, Orleans, France 2321,2787 at age 41. Other names for Charles were Charles Prince Of FRANCE, Charles, Prince Of FRANCE, and Charles De LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Duke of Lower Lorraine (977–91); younger son of King Louis IV of France. He claimed the French throne when his nephew, Louis V of France, died (987) without issue, but he was set aside in favor of Hugh Capet. Charles seized Laon (988) and Reims (989), but was betrayed (991) by the bishop of Laon, who turned him over to Hugh. Charles died in prison. With the death of his sons the French Carolingian dynasty ended.

Charles married Adelais De TROYES,2716 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, about 970 in 1st Wife.2716 Adelais was born about 953 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 979. Another name for Adelais was Adelais De VERMANDOIS.

Charles next married Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN,2716,2787 daughter of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, before 979 in 2ND Wife 2716,2786.,2788 Adelaide was born about 958 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died after 991 2716. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Adelheid) Of LORRAINE.

514840886469. Adelais De TROYES,415,2716 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, was born about 953 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 979. Another name for Adelais was Adelais De VERMANDOIS.

Adelais married Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE,1784,2786 son of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, about 970 in 1st Wife.2716 Charles was born in 953 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 1447,2787,2788 and died on 21 May 994 in Kerker, Orleans, France 2321,2787 at age 41. Other names for Charles were Charles Prince Of FRANCE, Charles, Prince Of FRANCE, and Charles De LORRAINE.

514840886484. Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade,415,1784,2997 son of Lothar I Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde HAMALAND, was born about 925 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 3 December 991 in Lenzen, Germany 1784 about age 66. Another name for Lothar was Lothar II Count Of STADE.

Lothar married Mathilde Von ARNEBURG,1784 daughter of Bruno Count Of ARNEBURG and Frederik Von RINGLEHEIM. Mathilde was born about 935 in Germany and died on 3 December 990 1784 about age 55.

Children from this marriage were:

257420443245       i.  Eiliseintha (Eilika\Hellika) Von WALBECK (born about 955 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia - died on 19 August 1015)

                  ii.  Siegfried I Count Von WALBECK was born about 958 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died from 15 March 1006 to 1007 about age 48.

                 iii.  Lothar III Margrave Of NORDMARK was born about 965 in Germany and died from 25 January 1002 to 1003 about age 37.

Lothar next married Swanhilde 2232.,2400 Swanhilde was born about 925 in Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443242       i.  Heinrich I Count Of STADE (born in 945 in Stade, Hannover, Germany - died on 11 May 976)


514840886485. Swanhilde 415,2232,2400 was born about 925 in Germany.

Swanhilde married Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade,1784,2997 son of Lothar I Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde HAMALAND. Lothar was born about 925 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 3 December 991 in Lenzen, Germany 1784 about age 66. Another name for Lothar was Lothar II Count Of STADE.

514840886486. Eli I Count Of RHEINHAUSEN 415,2232,2400 was born about 925 in Rheinhausen, Germany.

Eli married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443243       i.  Hildegarde Von RHEINHAUSEN (born about 950 in Rheinhausen, Germany)


514840886488. Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA,415,1444,1447,1784,2844,2993,3142 son of Liutpold Von Babenberg, Margrave Of BAVARIA and Kunigunde (Cunigunda) Of SWABIA, was born in 885 in Nordgau, Schaben, Bavaria 1447,3143 and died on 14 July 937 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria 1436,2779,2844,3143,3144 at age 52. Other names for Arnulf were Arnulf Der Böse, Le Mauvais=The Bad, Arnolphus I Count Of MALUS, Adalbert II Of THURGAU, Adalbert Ii, and Count De THURGOVIE.

General Notes:
I originally had Arnolphous Count of Malus & Arnulf "The Bad" Duke of Bavaria, as two different people, until I noticed the similarity in names, the approximate birth/death dates, and the parents indicated (Arnolphous' parents were Luitpold Count of Carinthia & Cunigunde of Swabia). Which leads me to believe that Arnolphous & Arnulf were one and the same person. I have not found "Malus" on any map, but it certainly could be a synonym for "Bad". Carol Collins, in her post to SGM, named him "Arnolph Malus, Duke of Bavarioa", which seems awfully close to "Arnulf the Bad, Duke of Bavaria".

Agnes was considered to be a wife of Count Malus, and she could have been a mistress (or pagan wife) while Arnulf was married to Judith, or Agnes could have been his 2nd wife, making her also mother of Arnulf's younger son Leopold. Judy Collins had Agnes as daughter of a different Prince of Hungary (Toxus), but her dates had him born about the same time as I have Zoltan in the line I was following. I am not sure which Prince of Hungary was her father? @@@check ancestry

Turton has Gerberga of Wurzburg as Arnulf's only wife and mother of all of his children. Since Turton has the eldest son Arnulf II born 907, which is before Arnulf's marriage to Judith (910), I am making Gerberga Arnulf's 1st wife and mother of Arnulf, with the remainder of the children by his other two wives.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 907. 1436

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 938.

Arnulf married Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU,1784,2844 daughter of Eberhard Count Of SULICHGAU and Unknown, about 910 2779.,2844 Jutte was born in 894 in Friuli, Italy and died before 924. Another name for Jutte was Jeutte Von SEULICHGAU.

Arnulf next married Gerberga Of WURZBURG 3142 in 1st Wife. Gerberga was born about 890 and died before 910.

Arnulf next married Agnes Of UNGARN,2993 daughter of Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY and Unknown 1St Wife Or MISTRESS, before 924 in 3rd Wife. Agnes was born before 900 in Ungarn (German For Hungary).

514840886489. Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU,415,1784,2844 daughter of Eberhard Count Of SULICHGAU and Unknown, was born in 894 in Friuli, Italy and died before 924. Another name for Jutte was Jeutte Von SEULICHGAU.

Jutte married Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA,1784,2844,2993,3142 son of Liutpold Von Babenberg, Margrave Of BAVARIA and Kunigunde (Cunigunda) Of SWABIA, about 910 2779.,2844 Arnulf was born in 885 in Nordgau, Schaben, Bavaria 1447,3143 and died on 14 July 937 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria 1436,2779,2844,3143,3144 at age 52. Other names for Arnulf were Arnulf Der Böse, Le Mauvais=The Bad, Arnolphus I Count Of MALUS, Adalbert II Of THURGAU, Adalbert Ii, and Count De THURGOVIE.

514840886490. Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade,415,1784,2997 son of Lothar I Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde HAMALAND, was born about 925 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 3 December 991 in Lenzen, Germany 1784 about age 66. Another name for Lothar was Lothar II Count Of STADE.

Lothar married Mathilde Von ARNEBURG,1784 daughter of Bruno Count Of ARNEBURG and Frederik Von RINGLEHEIM. Mathilde was born about 935 in Germany and died on 3 December 990 1784 about age 55.

Lothar next married Swanhilde 2232.,2400 Swanhilde was born about 925 in Germany.

514840886491. Mathilde Von ARNEBURG,415,1784 daughter of Bruno Count Of ARNEBURG and Frederik Von RINGLEHEIM, was born about 935 in Germany and died on 3 December 990 1784 about age 55.

Mathilde married Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade,1784,2997 son of Lothar I Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde HAMALAND. Lothar was born about 925 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 3 December 991 in Lenzen, Germany 1784 about age 66. Another name for Lothar was Lothar II Count Of STADE.

514840887040. Fromond I Comte De SENS,415 son of Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES and Teutberga De ARLES, was born about 910 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 951 about age 41.

Fromond married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443520       i.  Renaud I "Le Vieux" Comte Of SENS (born about 935 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France - died in 996)


514840887072. Bovin Seigneur De MONCEAU-LE-COMTE,415,3150 son of Unknown and Roscille D' ANJOU, was born about 938 in Maers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1015 in Monceau-Le-Comte, Nievre, Bourgogne, France about age 77. Another name for Bovin was Bodon (Badoc) Seigneur De MAERS.

General Notes: Younger brother of Landry III Comte de Nevers.

Bovin married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443536       i.  Landeric IV (Landry) Comte De NEVERS (born about 967 in Maers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France - died on 11 May 1028 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France)


514840887074. Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

Otto married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS 2069,2485,2489 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

514840887075. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489

Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY 2485,2486,2487 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

514840887080. Milo III Comte De TONNERRE 415,2491,2814 was born about 937 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 987 2491,2816 about age 50.

Milo married Ingeltrude (Engeltrudis) De BRIENNE 2491.,2814 Ingeltrude was born about 942 in Brienne-Le-Chateau, Aube, Champagne, France and died about 980 2491,2814 about age 38.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443540       i.  Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE (born about 960 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France - died before 998)


514840887081. Ingeltrude (Engeltrudis) De BRIENNE 415,2491,2814 was born about 942 in Brienne-Le-Chateau, Aube, Champagne, France and died about 980 2491,2814 about age 38.

General Notes: This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

Engeltrudis (no 9) is certainly, as showed by E. Petit, of Brienne family. She was more probably the sister (not daughter) of Engelbert I and Gau(s)bert. May be they are the nephews of Engeltrudis, viscountess of Chalon and the posterity of Gausbert of Nevers, grandson of an Engeltrudis.

Note: I have her as daughter of Engelbert I, following Burke's Peerage.

Ingeltrude married Milo III Comte De TONNERRE 2491.,2814 Milo was born about 937 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 987 2491,2816 about age 50.

514840887084. Robert De CROYES,415,2491 son of Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele D' ANJOU, was born about 954 in Amiens, Oise, Picardy, France.

Robert married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443542       i.  Garnier De NOYON (born about 977 in Noyon, Oise, Picardy, France)


514840887088. Artald II Comte De FOREZ 415,3151 was born about 960 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 11 February 999 3151 about age 39.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1007.

Artald married Theodeberge (Theutberge) Of VIENNE,3151 daughter of Hugh Count Of Palatine & VIENNE and Willa Of BURGUNDY. Theodeberge was born about 945 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2232 and died after 13 April 1013 3151.

The child from this marriage was:

257420443544       i.  Giraud II Comte De LYON (born about 985 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 5 March 1057-1058 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France)


514840887089. Theodeberge (Theutberge) Of VIENNE,415,3151 daughter of Hugh Count Of Palatine & VIENNE and Willa Of BURGUNDY, was born about 945 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2232 and died after 13 April 1013 3151.

Theodeberge married Artald II Comte De FOREZ.3151 Artald was born about 960 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 11 February 999 3151 about age 39.

514840887090. Pons De GEVAUDAN,415,2685 son of Etienne II De BRIOUDE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 970 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.

Pons married.

Children from this marriage were:

257420443545       i.  Alice (Adelaide) De GEVAUDAN (born about 1000 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France)

                  ii.  Philippa (Philippine) De GEVAUDAN was born about 1004 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.


514840940564. Conrad II "The Wise" Duke Of LORRAINE,415,1444,3152 son of Werner Count Of Speyergau & WORMS and Cunigunde Of GERMANY, was born about 918 in Lorraine, France 3153 and died on 10 August 955 in Killed In Battle Of Lechfeld 3154 about age 37. Another name for Conrad was Conrad The Wise, Duke Of LORRAINE AND FRANCONIA.3155

Conrad married Luitgarde Princess of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,3153,3154 daughter of King Of The Germans Otto I "The Great" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Empress Of Germany Eadgyth (Edith) Princess Of ENGLAND, in 947 1436,3154.,3155 Luitgarde was born about 931 in Saxony, Germany and died on 18 November 953 3154 about age 22.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470282       i.  Otto Duke Of CARINTHIA (born in 947 in Karnten, Austria - died on 4 November 1004)


514840940565. Luitgarde Princess of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,3153,3154 daughter of King Of The Germans Otto I "The Great" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Empress Of Germany Eadgyth (Edith) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 931 in Saxony, Germany and died on 18 November 953 3154 about age 22.

Luitgarde married Conrad II "The Wise" Duke Of LORRAINE,3152 son of Werner Count Of Speyergau & WORMS and Cunigunde Of GERMANY, in 947 1436,3154.,3155 Conrad was born about 918 in Lorraine, France 3153 and died on 10 August 955 in Killed In Battle Of Lechfeld 3154 about age 37. Another name for Conrad was Conrad The Wise, Duke Of LORRAINE AND FRANCONIA.3155

514840940566. Heinrich (Henry) Count Of VERDUN,415,3001 son of Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA and Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU, was born about 920 in Verdun, France.

Heinrich married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470283       i.  Judith (Adela) Of VERDUN (born about 953 in Verdun, France)


514840940576. Gerald (Humbert) Of GENEVA,415,2232 son of Hugh Count Of Palatine & VIENNE and Willa Of BURGUNDY, was born about 935 in Geneva, Switzerland and died in 976 about age 41.

Gerald married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470288       i.  Humbert I Count Of SAVOY (born in 972 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1048)


514840940578. Anselm II Count Of NOYEN,415 son of Anselm I Count Of NOYEN and Unknown, was born about 945 in Nohen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died after 980 in Schanis, Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Anselm was Arnold I Von LENZBURG.

Anselm married Adelaide Heiress Of ORTIGEN. Adelaide was born about 950 in Oltigen, Bern, Switzerland. Another name for Adelaide was Adelade Of OLTIGEN.

Children from this marriage were:

257420470289       i.  Ancelie Von LENZBURG (born in 974 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland)

                  ii.  Ulrich I Count Von LENZBURG & Aargau was born about 980 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland and died after 10 August 1045.


514840940579. Adelaide Heiress Of ORTIGEN 415 was born about 950 in Oltigen, Bern, Switzerland. Another name for Adelaide was Adelade Of OLTIGEN.

Adelaide married Anselm II Count Of NOYEN. Anselm was born about 945 in Nohen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died after 980 in Schanis, Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Anselm was Arnold I Von LENZBURG.

514840940580. Manfred I Count Of Susa & TURIN,415,1444,2643 son of Ardoino Count Of Susa & Turin & AURIATE and Miss De MOSEZZO, was born in 950 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died in 1000 at age 50. Other names for Manfred were Manfred I Count Of SUSA, Manfredo I, Marchese Di TORINO, Manfred I, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Manfred married Prangorda Di REGGIO,2643 daughter of Attone, Count Di REGGIO & Modena & Canossa and HILDEGARDE, in 991. Prangorda was born about 955 in Modena, Italy and died after 991. Another name for Prangorda was Prangarda Of CANORSA.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470290       i.  Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN (born in 978 in Susa, Turin, Italy - died on 23 December 1035)


514840940581. Prangorda Di REGGIO,415,1444,2643 daughter of Attone, Count Di REGGIO & Modena & Canossa and HILDEGARDE, was born about 955 in Modena, Italy and died after 991. Another name for Prangorda was Prangarda Of CANORSA.

Prangorda married Manfred I Count Of Susa & TURIN,2643 son of Ardoino Count Of Susa & Turin & AURIATE and Miss De MOSEZZO, in 991. Manfred was born in 950 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died in 1000 at age 50. Other names for Manfred were Manfred I Count Of SUSA, Manfredo I, Marchese Di TORINO, Manfred I, and Marquess Of TURIN.

514840940582. Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE,415,1444,1447,3137 son of Oberto Azzo Conte Di Lucca & ESTE and Guilla Of SPOLETO, was born about 947 in -, Este, Italy 3138 and died about 1014 3138 about age 67. Other names for Oberto were Obert II, Azzo, Merchese D' ESTE, Oberto II D' ESTE, Alberto Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, Othbert Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE, Othbert II MARCHESS OF LIGUNIA, and COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE.

Oberto married Railenda Of RIPRANDO,3139 daughter of Riprand, Count Of PIACENZA and Railinda Of VERTICILIO. Railenda was born about 949 in -, Este, Italy and died in 999 about age 50. Other names for Railenda were Railende, Railinda, Railando Of CUMO, and Railinda RUPRANDI.

514840940583. Railenda Of RIPRANDO,415,1444,1447,3139 daughter of Riprand, Count Of PIACENZA and Railinda Of VERTICILIO, was born about 949 in -, Este, Italy and died in 999 about age 50. Other names for Railenda were Railende, Railinda, Railando Of CUMO, and Railinda RUPRANDI.

Railenda married Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE,3137 son of Oberto Azzo Conte Di Lucca & ESTE and Guilla Of SPOLETO. Oberto was born about 947 in -, Este, Italy 3138 and died about 1014 3138 about age 67. Other names for Oberto were Obert II, Azzo, Merchese D' ESTE, Oberto II D' ESTE, Alberto Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, Othbert Ii, Marchess Of LIGURIA, COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE, Othbert II MARCHESS OF LIGUNIA, and COUNT OF GENOA AND TORTONE.

514840940584. Albert II Count Of GENEVA,415,1849 son of Robert Count Of GENEVA and Unknown, was born about 960 in Geneva, Switzerland.

Albert married Eldegarde.1849 Eldegarde was born about 965 in Switzerland.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470292       i.  Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA (born in 985 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died in 1016 in Vienne, Rhone, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France)


514840940585. Eldegarde 415,1849 was born about 965 in Switzerland.

Eldegarde married Albert II Count Of GENEVA,1849 son of Robert Count Of GENEVA and Unknown. Albert was born about 960 in Geneva, Switzerland.

514840940586. Unknown (Berthold?) Count In BURGUNDY 415,3156 was born about 960 in Bourgogne, France.

Unknown married Matilda Of BURGUNDY,3156 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE. Matilda was born about 966 in Bourgogne, France and died on 25 May 1008 about age 42. Another name for Matilda was Mathilde Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470293       i.  Bertha Of BURGUNDY (born in 987 in Bourgogne, France)


514840940587. Matilda Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,3156 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 966 in Bourgogne, France and died on 25 May 1008 about age 42. Another name for Matilda was Mathilde Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

General Notes: Matilda of Burgundy, m. a Count, name unknown. [Ancestral Roots]

Matilda married Unknown (Berthold?) Count In BURGUNDY.3156 Unknown was born about 960 in Bourgogne, France.

514840940800. Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,3157 son of Aimery II Vicomte De THOUARS and Alianore (Aliemor), was born about 925 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 13 May 988 2827 about age 63.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 969. 3157

Herbert married Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY,1948,3157 daughter of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC, about 950.3157 Aldegarde was born about 939 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1020 2827 about age 81. Another name for Aldegarde was Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AULNAY.

Children from this marriage were:

257420470400       i.  Savaric (Savory) III Vicomte De THOUARS (born in 955 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died in 1003)

257420470434      ii.  Raoul I De THOUARS (born in 963 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France)


514840940801. Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY,415,1948,3157 daughter of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC, was born about 939 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1020 2827 about age 81. Another name for Aldegarde was Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AULNAY.

Aldegarde married Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS,1948,3157 son of Aimery II Vicomte De THOUARS and Alianore (Aliemor), about 950.3157 Herbert was born about 925 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 13 May 988 2827 about age 63.

514840940804. Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1921,2741,2983 son of Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS and Richilde Of BOURGES, was born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France 2983 and died from 16 January 977 to 978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2741,2983 at age 64. Other names for Theobald were Le Tricheur=The Cheat, and Thibaud "Le Tricheur" De CHARTRES Du Blois.

General Notes:
Theobald I, also called Theobald The Cheat, or The Old, French Thibaud, Le Tricheur, or Le Vieil (b. c 908 - d. c 978), count of Blois, Chartres, and Tours.

Theobald earned his nickname "the Cheat" fighting with his neighbours, among them the kings of France, the dukes of Normandy, and the church of Reims. He seized the area around Blois about 940 and later augmented his holdings with the counties of Chartres and Chateaudun. In 945 Hugh the Great made Theobald responsible for holding the French king Louis IV prisoner. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

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Note: Turton has Theobald (Thibault) as son of Gerlon, son of Robert 'le Fortis' Duke of France, d. 866. This does not agree with AR.

Theobald married Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS,1526,1601,1921,2741 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, before 945 in <, , France> 1436,1526.,2741 Luitgarde was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

514840940805. Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1921,2741 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

General Notes:
Luitgarde de Vermandois, n.i. [no issue with William I of Normandy], killed 942 by Louis, s. of Charles III "the Simple", daughter of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes. [Ancestral Roots, Line 121e-19] (As I said 942, is probably talking about her 1st husband William's death. I am disregarding it.)

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978, widow of William I, of Normandy, and daughter of Herbert II de Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 49-19]

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978; m. (2) 943 Theobald I, "le Tricheur", d. 978, Count of Blois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 136-19]

Note: line 121e does not agree with the other two lines in Luitgarde's death date. I believe that it is in error, maybe referring to William I's death in 942. Also note that Theobald I, Count of Blois, was involved in William I's treachorous ambush and murder in 942 and married Luitgarde, his widow, the next year 943.

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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], write in a post-em:

The dates are further conflicted by other sources:

birth:
(915/20) [Ref: ES II:79] parenthesis = approximation
915/20 [Ref: ES III:49]
abt 920 [Ref: Moriarty p6, 228]
abt 930 [Ref: Moriarty p36]

married to Guillaume, Duc de Normandie/William "Longsword" Duke of Normandy, Count of Rouen:
um 940 [Ref: ES II:79] (um = about/around)

married to Theobald I 'Le Tricheur' Count of Blois, Seigneur de Montagu:
date: 942/45 [Ref: ES III:49, Moriarty p228]
943/44 [Ref: ES II:46]
943/5 [Ref: Moriarty p36]
abt 945 [Ref: Moriarty p6]

died:
27.V nach 977 [Ref: ES II:79] (nach = after)
27.V nach 978 [Ref: ES III:49]
9.II nach 978 [Ref: ES II:46]
Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p228, p36]
after Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p6, Paget p135]

Regards,
Curt

Luitgarde married Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne,1526,1601,1921,2741,2983 son of Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS and Richilde Of BOURGES, before 945 in <, , France> 1436,1526.,2741 Theobald was born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France 2983 and died from 16 January 977 to 978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2741,2983 at age 64. Other names for Theobald were Le Tricheur=The Cheat, and Thibaud "Le Tricheur" De CHARTRES Du Blois.

Luitgarde next married William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2078,2735 before 941 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1436,2735.,2737 William was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

514840940806. Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2913,2994 son of Rudolph II Of Burgundy, King Of ITALY and Bertha Von SWABIA, was born in 924 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2539 and died on 19 October 993 1447,2323,2909,2913 at age 69. Other names for Conrad were Konrad I, Konrad The Peaceful, Le Pacifique=The Pacific, Peaceful, Conrad I King Of ARLES, Conrad I Le Pacifique, and Roi Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

Conrad married Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE 2913,2995 on 10 August 964 in 2ND Wife.2913 Matilda was born about 943 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2913 and died on 26 November 991 2909,2913 about age 48. Other names for Matilda were Matilda, and Mathilde CAROLINGIEN.

Conrad next married Adelaide Of BELLAY, daughter of Gebhard Konradiner, Graf Im UFGAU and Adela De VERMANDOIS, about 950 in 1st Wife. Adelaide was born about 935 in Germany and died before 964. Another name for Adelaide was Adalaide Of BELLAY.

Conrad next married Ælfgifu, daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE.

Conrad next married Aldiud.

514840940807. Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444,2909,2913,2995 daughter of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born about 943 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2913 and died on 26 November 991 2909,2913 about age 48. Other names for Matilda were Matilda, and Mathilde CAROLINGIEN.

Matilda married Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY 1601,2913,2994 on 10 August 964 in 2ND Wife.2913 Conrad was born in 924 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2539 and died on 19 October 993 1447,2323,2909,2913 at age 69. Other names for Conrad were Konrad I, Konrad The Peaceful, Le Pacifique=The Pacific, Peaceful, Conrad I King Of ARLES, Conrad I Le Pacifique, and Roi Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

514840940864. Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1948,3158 son of Hugh I De LUSIGNAN and Unknown, was born about 910 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 965.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 950. 1948

Hugh married Agnes De RAZES, daughter of Sigebert VII Comte De RAZES and Unknown. Agnes was born about 945 in Razes, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420470432       i.  Hugh III Sire De LUSIGNAN (born about 961 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died about 1011)

257420470884      ii.  Joscelin De LUSIGNAN (born about 962 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died about 1015)

                 iii.  Eustache Comte De JUMIEGES was born about 964 in Jumieges, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.


514840940865. Agnes De RAZES,415 daughter of Sigebert VII Comte De RAZES and Unknown, was born about 945 in Razes, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

Agnes married Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948,3158 son of Hugh I De LUSIGNAN and Unknown. Hugh was born about 910 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 965.

514840940868. Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,3157 son of Aimery II Vicomte De THOUARS and Alianore (Aliemor), was born about 925 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 13 May 988 2827 about age 63.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 969. 3157

Herbert married Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY,1948,3157 daughter of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC, about 950.3157 Aldegarde was born about 939 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1020 2827 about age 81. Another name for Aldegarde was Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AULNAY.

514840940869. Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY,415,1948,3157 daughter of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC, was born about 939 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1020 2827 about age 81. Another name for Aldegarde was Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AULNAY.

Aldegarde married Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS,1948,3157 son of Aimery II Vicomte De THOUARS and Alianore (Aliemor), about 950.3157 Herbert was born about 925 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died on 13 May 988 2827 about age 63.

514840940872. Boso I Comte De LA MARCHE,415,1529 son of Sulpice De LA MARCHE and Miss De LIMOGES, was born about 910 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 968 1529 about age 58.

Boso married Emme Countess De PERIGORD,1529 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PERIGORD and Unknown. Emme was born about 905 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470436       i.  Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord (born about 940 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France - died in 995 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France)


514840940873. Emme Countess De PERIGORD,415,1529 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PERIGORD and Unknown, was born about 905 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France.

Emme married Boso I Comte De LA MARCHE,1529 son of Sulpice De LA MARCHE and Miss De LIMOGES. Boso was born about 910 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 968 1529 about age 58.

514840940874. Geraud I Vicomte De LIMOGES,415,1529 son of Eldegaire I Vicomte De LIMOGES and Tietberga (Tetrisca) De BOURGES, was born about 910 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 988 1529 about age 78.

Geraud married Rotilde De BROSSE,1529 daughter of Ademar De BROSSE and Unknown, in 2ND Husband.1529 Rotilde was born about 925 in Brosse, Chaillac, Limousin, France and died after 986.

Children from this marriage were:

257420470437       i.  Almode De LIMOGES (born about 944 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France)

                  ii.  Gui I Vicomte De LIMOGES was born about 953 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1025 about age 72.

                 iii.  Aimeri I De ROCHECHOUART was born about 960 in Rochechouart, Poitou, France.

                  iv.  Aude De LIMOGES was born about 965 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.


514840940875. Rotilde De BROSSE,415,1529 daughter of Ademar De BROSSE and Unknown, was born about 925 in Brosse, Chaillac, Limousin, France and died after 986.

Rotilde married Geraud I Vicomte De LIMOGES,1529 son of Eldegaire I Vicomte De LIMOGES and Tietberga (Tetrisca) De BOURGES, in 2ND Husband.1529 Geraud was born about 910 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 988 1529 about age 78.

514840940876. Cadelon III Vicomte D' AUNAY,415 son of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC, was born in 935 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1009 at age 74. Another name for Cadelon was Cadelon III Vicomte D' AULNAY.

Cadelon married Arsendis De SAINTES, daughter of Mainard De SAINTES and Rixenie. Arsendis was born about 940 in Saintes, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470438       i.  Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY (born about 965 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France - died after 1030)


514840940877. Arsendis De SAINTES,415 daughter of Mainard De SAINTES and Rixenie, was born about 940 in Saintes, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France.

Arsendis married Cadelon III Vicomte D' AUNAY, son of Cadelon II Vicomte D' AUNAY and Senegunde (Senegonde) De MARCILLAC. Cadelon was born in 935 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died in 1009 at age 74. Another name for Cadelon was Cadelon III Vicomte D' AULNAY.

514840941700. Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS,415,1444,2253,3159 son of Eudes Comte De CHARTRES and Miss De CHARTRES, was born about 885 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2742 and died before 954 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2742. Other names for Theobald were Gerlon, Thibaut The Elder Of BLOIS, Theobald I Of CHARTRES, Theobald De TOURS, and Theobald Vicomte De TOURS.

General Notes:
Ancestral Roots has a death date of 904 for Theobald. However the Encyclopaedia Britannica states that Theobald of Blois, who is his son, was b. circa 908; and Theobald defended Chartres against Rollo later Duke of Normandy in 911; so Ancestral Roots is either wrong or has a misprint. If a misprint, then either 914 or 940 is the more probable death date. His son became active in 940, so maybe that was when he died.

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The following is a copy of a post by Gayle Wilson to soc.genealogy.medieval:

From: Gayle Wilson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Thibault I Count of Blois
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1997/03/11

Hi Jerry

Permit me to explain the story, as I understand it, primarily from J de Petigny and Professor Launay's Historie Archeologique Du Vendome, I, pages 121-122, Academie des Inscriptions et Belle Lettres Chartes et Diplomas: Receuil Des Actes De Charles III, page xx, and Pere Anselme's (Pierre Guibors) Histoire Genealogicue et Chronilogique des Rois de France, II, pages 33-34.

Theobald, Viscount of Troyes, married Richelde, the daughter of Hugh Aquitaine, Count of Bourges and his wife, Rothaut (the daughter of Charles II 'l'Chauve' ['The Bald'] King of France and Ricardis Buwinis Amiens, although some list her mother as Ermentrude Orleans, but that is topic for another day...) circa 886. As a result of this marriage, Theobald (Thiabald, Thiabault, etc) became guardian of Richelda's younger brother, Hugh, and was given the territories of Blois and Chartres in appreciation of this service. Shortly thereafter, a marauding band of Norman pirates, who had recently taken up residence on the banks of the Seine, attacked Chartres.

These brigands, led by a certain 'Rollon', were more than Theobald could handle on his own. Theobald sent messangers to his wife's cousin, King Charles III 'The Simple', Conrad, Duke of Bourgogne and Ebles, Count of Poiters, appealing for assistance. The castle had been under seige for some time, when Joscelin, Bishop of Chartres, perched within the castle ramparts, saw clouds of dust rising in several directions on the horizon. Help was on its way!

The counter-attack was led by King Charles; the Norsemen were forced to lift the seige. King Charles and the renegade Rollon, or Rolf, had a little chit-chat and a diploma thereafter referred to as the Treaty of Saint Clair-sur-Epte was eventually drawn up, including an agreement by Rollon to revert to Christianity and be a good boy with a tight leash held on his followers. For these concessions he was given the area that would later be called Normandy to govern, and the hand of the fair Princess, Giselle, daughter of King Charles.

So, you can see that there is a little glimmer of credence to the information you were given. Giselle, the wife of Rollo, was cousin to Richelde, the wife of *a* Theobald of Blois. This person is the father of the Theobald in your query, Theobald I 'le Tricheur' (The Cheater) Count of Blois, who was indeed husband of Luitgarde Vermandois and father of Eudes (Actes de Comtes De Namur 946-1196 (Rousseau) XXXVII; House Tirel 80; Vanderkindere79-86; Pere Anselme I 49; Derniers Carlovingniens 141; Histoire de Cambray et Cambresis III 970; Histoire Archeologique Du Vendomois 147...etc). Hope this helps.

May your roses always bloom in the Son,

Gayle Wilson

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 904. 3159

Theobald married Richilde Of BOURGES.3159 Richilde was born about 892 in Bourges, Cher, Berry/Centre, France.2742

Children from this marriage were:

257420470850       i.  Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne (born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France - died on 16 January 977-978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France)

514840861217      ii.  Gerlotte Of BLOIS (born about 913 in Tillieres, Normandy, France)


514840941701. Richilde Of BOURGES,415,1444,3159 daughter of Hugh Count Of BOURGES and Rothaut Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 892 in Bourges, Cher, Berry/Centre, France.2742

Richilde married Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS 2253.,3159 Theobald was born about 885 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2742 and died before 954 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2742. Other names for Theobald were Gerlon, Thibaut The Elder Of BLOIS, Theobald I Of CHARTRES, Theobald De TOURS, and Theobald Vicomte De TOURS.

514840941768. Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1948,3158 son of Hugh I De LUSIGNAN and Unknown, was born about 910 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 965.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 950. 1948

Hugh married Agnes De RAZES, daughter of Sigebert VII Comte De RAZES and Unknown. Agnes was born about 945 in Razes, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

514840941769. Agnes De RAZES,415 daughter of Sigebert VII Comte De RAZES and Unknown, was born about 945 in Razes, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

Agnes married Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948,3158 son of Hugh I De LUSIGNAN and Unknown. Hugh was born about 910 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 965.

514840941824. Armand Manzur Comte De ANGOULEME,415,1529,1831 son of Guillaume I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Unknown, was born in 924 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died from 4 March 991 to 992 1831 at age 67. Another name for Armand was Armand MANZUR Count Of Angouleme.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 1529

Armand married Hildegarde 1529,1831 about 951 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Hildegarde was born in 926 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 992 in St Cybar, France 1831 at age 66.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470912       i.  Count Of Angouleme Guillaume II TAILLEFER (born in 952 in <Of, , Anjou, France> - died on 6 April 1028)


514840941825. Hildegarde 415,1529,1831 was born in 926 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 992 in St Cybar, France 1831 at age 66.

Hildegarde married Armand Manzur Comte De ANGOULEME,1529,1831 son of Guillaume I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Unknown, about 951 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Armand was born in 924 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died from 4 March 991 to 992 1831 at age 67. Another name for Armand was Armand MANZUR Count Of Angouleme.

514840941826. Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2727,2728,2729 son of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

General Notes:
Received in requital of his gallant services against the Emperor Otto, a grant from King Robert, of the dignified office of Seneschal of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2729

Geoffrey married Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1601,2730,2731,2732 on 2 March 950-951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Adelaide was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

514840941827. Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,1601,1746,2730,2731,2732 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

General Notes:
Turton names her Adelaide de Chalons, daughter of Thebault de Chalons. I believe this is a mistake based on the name given by her marriage to her first husband, Lambert d'Auton, Count of Chalons.

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The following was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

Actually it's even uglier than that. ES indicates that Geoffrey married Adelaide de Vermandois & upon her death, married her widowed mother Adelaide de Burgundy, heiress of Chalons. It also states the same mother & dau also married Lambert, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saone, Vicomte de Dijon.

To see discussions of the absurdity of this go to google - groups - soc.genealogy.medieval & use keyword: grisgonelle

The following archived messages give a good synopsis of the problem:
Mardi Carter 26 Mar 1998
Jim Stevens 26 Mar 1998
Kenneth Harper Finton 26 Mar 1998
Christopher Nash 7 Jun 1998

To date I've not seen a definitive solution.

Regards,
Curt

Note: I have read some of the postings. They seem to indicate that Geoffrey m. this Adelaide (although she is sometimes named "Adele de Donzy" and possibly another Adelaide as well, and that this Adelaide may not have married Lambert d'Autun, Count of Chalons?). The part about the mother & daughter marrying the same people is (as it should be) discounted. I am removing her marriage to Lambert d'Autun, making his wife Adelaide of Burgundy.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2730,2731 Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 975. 2731

Adelaide married Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU 1601,2727,2728,2729 from 2 March 950 to 951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Geoffrey was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

Adelaide next married Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon,1601,2693,2734 son of Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN and Ingeltrude, about 948 in , , , France. Lambert was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.

514840941888. Hugues II Vicomte De COMBORN,415,1529 son of Hugues I Comte De QUERCY and Gudinilde, was born about 915 in Quercy, Aquitaine, France and died in 983 in Cluny, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France about age 68.

Hugues married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470944       i.  Archambaud I Vicomte De COMBORN (born about 945 in Cluny, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died in 992 in Comborn, Guyenne, France)


514840941890. Bernard I Vicomte De TURENNE,415,1529 son of Robert De TURENNE and Blitgarde, was born about 910 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 980 1529 about age 70.

Bernard married Deda.1529 Deda was born about 925 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470945       i.  Sulpice De TURENNE (born about 945 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France)


514840941891. Deda 415,1529 was born about 925 in France.

Deda married Bernard I Vicomte De TURENNE,1529 son of Robert De TURENNE and Blitgarde. Bernard was born about 910 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 980 1529 about age 70.

514840941920. Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN,415 son of Hugh I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Archbishop Tours and Hildegarde De BLOIS, was born about 963 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died on 10 June 1026 about age 63.

General Notes: This generation is apparently not in the Royalty for Commoners pedigree.

Geoffrey married Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU, daughter of Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU and Unknown. Milasinde was born about 966 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420470963       i.  Melisende De CHATEAUDUN (born before 990 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France - died after 1031)

257420470960      ii.  Geoffrey III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN (born about 991 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France - died between 1039 and 1040 in (Murdered))


514840941921. Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU,415 daughter of Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU and Unknown, was born about 966 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.

Milasinde married Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN, son of Hugh I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Archbishop Tours and Hildegarde De BLOIS. Geoffrey was born about 963 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died on 10 June 1026 about age 63.

514840941922. Fulcuich Comte De CORBON,415,3160 son of Herve Comte De MORTAGNE and Unknown, was born about 950 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1031 in Corbon, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Other names for Fulcuich were Fulk Count Of CARBON, and2833 Fulk Comte De MORTAGNE.

General Notes: According to Jared Olar, citing "Royalty for Commoners", Fulk was Count of Carbon, which later was called Montagne. I believe that he meant Mortagne, in that Helvise's son became Count of Mortagne. In addition the grandson became count of Mortagne and Perche, which fits with the town called Mortagne-au-Perche in Orne, Normandy, near the border with Eure-et-Loire.

Fulcuich married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420470961       i.  Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CORBON (born about 996 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France)


514840941924. William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon,415,1120,1372,1375,2235 son of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU, was born about 965 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1375 and died in 1028 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France 1120 about age 63. Another name for William was Guillaume I 1St Comte D' ALENCON.

William married Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU 1120,1372,1375 1372.,1375 Maud was born about 968 in Conde-Sur-Noirau, France and died in 1024 about age 56.

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:52758


514840941925. Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU 415,1120,1372,1375 was born about 968 in Conde-Sur-Noirau, France and died in 1024 about age 56.

Maud married William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon,1120,1372,1375,2235 son of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU 1372.,1375 William was born about 965 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1375 and died in 1028 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France 1120 about age 63. Another name for William was Guillaume I 1St Comte D' ALENCON.

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:52758


514840941926. Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN,415 son of Hugh I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Archbishop Tours and Hildegarde De BLOIS, was born about 963 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died on 10 June 1026 about age 63.

General Notes: This generation is apparently not in the Royalty for Commoners pedigree.

Geoffrey married Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU, daughter of Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU and Unknown. Milasinde was born about 966 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.

514840941927. Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU,415 daughter of Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU and Unknown, was born about 966 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.

Milasinde married Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN, son of Hugh I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Archbishop Tours and Hildegarde De BLOIS. Geoffrey was born about 963 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died on 10 June 1026 about age 63.

514840942082. Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE 415,2456,3161 was born about 965 in Castile, Spain and died from 5 February 1016 to 1017 2456,3161 about age 51.

Sancho married Urraca Of CASTILE 2456 about 984 in Castile, Spain. Urraca was born about 969 in Castile, Spain and died on 20 May 1025 about age 56.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471081       i.  Munia Of CASTILE (born in 985 in Castile, Spain - died after 1066)

257420471041      ii.  Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE (born in 1006 in Castille, Spain - died on 26 June 1026, buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain)


514840942083. Urraca Of CASTILE 415,2456 was born about 969 in Castile, Spain and died on 20 May 1025 about age 56.

Urraca married Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE 2456,3161 about 984 in Castile, Spain. Sancho was born about 965 in Castile, Spain and died from 5 February 1016 to 1017 2456,3161 about age 51.

514840942092. Guaimar III Co-Regent & Prince Of SALERNO 415,2482,3162 was born in 970 in Salerno, Italy and died in 1027 2794 at age 57.

Guaimar married Gaitelgrima Of Benevento & CAPUA 2482,2852 in 1010. Gaitelgrima was born about 992 in Benevento, Italy and died in 1031 2794 about age 39. Another name for Gaitelgrima was Gaitelgrima Of BENEVENTO & Capua.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471046       i.  Guaimar IV Prince Of Capua & Amalfi & SALERNO (born about 1010 in Salerno, Italy - died on 3 July 1052 in Murdered)

                  ii.  Pandolfo Di SALERNO Conte Di Capaccio was born about 1015 in Capaccio, Salerno, Italy.


514840942093. Gaitelgrima Of Benevento & CAPUA 415,2482,2852 was born about 992 in Benevento, Italy and died in 1031 2794 about age 39. Another name for Gaitelgrima was Gaitelgrima Of BENEVENTO & Capua.

General Notes: Regent in Salerno for minor son

Gaitelgrima married Guaimar III Co-Regent & Prince Of SALERNO 2482,3162 in 1010. Guaimar was born in 970 in Salerno, Italy and died in 1027 2794 at age 57.

514840942094. Landolfo Count Of TABELLARIA 415,2232 was born about 985 in Tabelaria, Italy.

Landolfo married Aldara Of SAN MASSIMO.2232 Aldara was born about 990 in San Massimo, Italy.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471047       i.  Porpora Of TABELLARIA (born about 1010 in Tabelaria, Italy)


514840942095. Aldara Of SAN MASSIMO 415,2232 was born about 990 in San Massimo, Italy.

Aldara married Landolfo Count Of TABELLARIA.2232 Landolfo was born about 985 in Tabelaria, Italy.

514840942096. Richard I Vicomte De RODEZ 415,2482 was born about 977 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France and died after July 1049 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France. Another name for Richard was Richard I Vicomte De MILHAUD.

Richard married Senegonde De BEZIERS, daughter of Unknown and Arsinde De CARCASSONNE. Senegonde was born about 985 in Bezieres, Herault, Languedoc, France and died about 1013 about age 28. Another name for Senegonde was Senegonde De BEZIERES.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471048       i.  Richard II Vicomte De RODEZ (born about 1003 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France - died before 1051 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France)


514840942097. Senegonde De BEZIERS,415 daughter of Unknown and Arsinde De CARCASSONNE, was born about 985 in Bezieres, Herault, Languedoc, France and died about 1013 about age 28. Another name for Senegonde was Senegonde De BEZIERES.

Senegonde married Richard I Vicomte De RODEZ.2482 Richard was born about 977 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France and died after July 1049 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France. Another name for Richard was Richard I Vicomte De MILHAUD.

514840942098. Berenger I Vicomte De NARBONNE 415,2618 was born about 1000 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1066 about age 66.

Berenger married Garsinde De BEZALU,2618 daughter of Unknown and Adelaide (Tota) Of TOULOUSE. Garsinde was born about 1000 in Besalu, Spain.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471049       i.  Rixinde De NARBONNE (born about 1020 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France)

                  ii.  Bernard I Berenger Vicomte De NARBONNE was born about 1025 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died before 1080.

                 iii.  Raymond PELET Seigneur De Ales was born about 1027 in Ales, Gard, Languedoc, France.


514840942099. Garsinde De BEZALU,415,2618 daughter of Unknown and Adelaide (Tota) Of TOULOUSE, was born about 1000 in Besalu, Spain.

Garsinde married Berenger I Vicomte De NARBONNE.2618 Berenger was born about 1000 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1066 about age 66.

514840942100. Giselbert I Vicomte De CARLAT 415,2482 was born about 961 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died after 1020.

Giselbert married Agnes Of MELS.2482 Agnes was born about 970 in Mels, Aveyron, Midi-Pyrenees, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471050       i.  Gilbert II Vicomte De CARLAT (born about 1005 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France - died in 1071)


514840942101. Agnes Of MELS 415,2482 was born about 970 in Mels, Aveyron, Midi-Pyrenees, France.

Agnes married Giselbert I Vicomte De CARLAT.2482 Giselbert was born about 961 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died after 1020.

514840942102. Odon (Odo) Vicomte De LODEVE 415,2482 was born about 961 in Lodeve, Septimania, France.

Odon married Chimberge.2482 Chimberge was born about 970 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471051       i.  Nobile De LODEVE (born about 1005 in Lodeve, Septimania, France - died after 1098)


514840942103. Chimberge 415,2482 was born about 970 in France.

Chimberge married Odon (Odo) Vicomte De LODEVE.2482 Odon was born about 961 in Lodeve, Septimania, France.

514840942104. William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE,415,1524,2681 son of Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES and Constance De PROVENCE, was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France,2682 died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2683 at age 44, and was buried in Died As A Monk In Avignon, France.

William married Arsenda De COMMINGES,2684 daughter of Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne and Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE, in 1st Wife.2684 Arsenda was born about 953 in Comminges, Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees, France and died before 984.

William next married Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf 1524,1601,2685,2686,2687 after 984 in 4th Husband 2ND Wife.2685 Adelaide was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 975. 1524 1st wife

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, 975. 1524

514840942105. Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf,415,1524,1601,1746,2685,2686,2687 daughter of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

TatjanaAV wrote:

Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as
Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
France, and William of Provence.

So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
(Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
de Rouergue).

Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975.

Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

taf

Adelaide married Etienne II De BRIOUDE 2685 in 1st Husband.2685 Etienne was born about 940 in Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France and died before 972 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Another name for Etienne was Etienne II De GEVAUDAN.

Adelaide next married Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE 2151,2689,2690 about 972 in 2ND Husband.2685 Raymond was born in 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died about 990 about age 43.

Adelaide next married Louis V "The Do-Nothing" King Of FRANCE,2687 son of Lothair Carolingien, King Of FRANCE and Unknown, in 982 in 3rd Husband - Divorced 984.2691 Louis was born in 967 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2687 and died between 21 and 22 May 987 in (Dsp) 2687.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 979-986 (joint with father), 986-987. 2692

Adelaide next married Guillaume III TAILLEFER Count Of Toulouse,1601 son of Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE, about 973 in , , , France. Guillaume was born about 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France and died in September 1037 about age 90.

Adelaide next married William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE,1524,2681 son of Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES and Constance De PROVENCE, after 984 in 4th Husband 2ND Wife.2685 William was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France,2682 died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2683 at age 44, and was buried in Died As A Monk In Avignon, France.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 975. 1524 1st wife

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, 975. 1524

514840942106. Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

Otto married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

514840942107. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489

Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

514840942108. Guillaume I Vicomte De MARSEILLE 415 was born about 952 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died about 1004 about age 52.

Guillaume married Belielde. Belielde was born about 955 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471054       i.  Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE (born about 978 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died in 1047)

                  ii.  Belielde De MARSEILLE was born about 980 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1036 about age 56.


514840942109. Belielde 415 was born about 955 in France.

Belielde married Guillaume I Vicomte De MARSEILLE. Guillaume was born about 952 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died about 1004 about age 52.

514840942110. Geoffrey Seigneur De RIANS 415 was born about 972 in Rians, Var, Provence, France.

Geoffrey married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471055       i.  Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS (born about 1000 in Rians, Var, Provence, France - died in 1055)


514840942112. Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE 415,2456,3163 was born about 960 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain and died in 1005 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain 3163 about age 45.

General Notes: García II (or III), byname GARCÍA THE TREMBLER, Spanish GARCÍA EL TRÉMULO (d. 1005), king of Pamplona (Navarre) and of Aragon from about 994 to about 1000, son of Sancho II Garcés. Coming to the aid of besieged Castile, García fought against the Muslim forces of Abu 'Amir al-Mansur. Mansur then turned his armies against Navarre (1002), burning the monastery of San Millán de la Cogolla before dying unexpectedly. García died three years later and was succeeded by Sancho III Garcés, the Great. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 999. 2456

Garcia married Jimema FERNANDEZ. Jimema was born about 965 in Navarre, Spain.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471056       i.  Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE (born about 992 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain - died on 18 October 1035 in Murdered)


514840942113. Jimema FERNANDEZ 415 was born about 965 in Navarre, Spain.

General Notes: Turton names her Ximena of Asturias, daughter of Gonsulo Count of Asturias & Teresa. @@@check ancestry

Jimema married Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE 2456.,3163 Garcia was born about 960 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain and died in 1005 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain 3163 about age 45.

514840942162. Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE 415,2456,3161 was born about 965 in Castile, Spain and died from 5 February 1016 to 1017 2456,3161 about age 51.

Sancho married Urraca Of CASTILE 2456 about 984 in Castile, Spain. Urraca was born about 969 in Castile, Spain and died on 20 May 1025 about age 56.

514840942163. Urraca Of CASTILE 415,2456 was born about 969 in Castile, Spain and died on 20 May 1025 about age 56.

Urraca married Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE 2456,3161 about 984 in Castile, Spain. Sancho was born about 965 in Castile, Spain and died from 5 February 1016 to 1017 2456,3161 about age 51.

514840942164. Bermudo II King Of LEON 415,2232 was born in 953 in Leon, Spain, died in September 999 in Villabueno Del Bierzo, Spain at age 46, and was buried in Carrac Edo, Spain.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 995-999

Bermudo married CONCUBINE. CONCUBINE was born about 965 in Leon, Spain.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Ordono Vermudez Of LEON was born about 995 in Leon, Spain.



Bermudo next married Elvira Garces Of CASTILE 1741 in November 991. Elvira was born about 965 in Castile, Spain,1741 died in 1017 1741 about age 52, and was buried in St Isidore DE Leon.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471082       i.  Alfonso V "The Noble" King Of LEON (born in 994 in Leon, Spain - died on 7 August 1028 in Viseu, Portugal (Killed At Seige Of))




514840942165. Elvira Garces Of CASTILE 415,1741 was born about 965 in Castile, Spain,1741 died in 1017 1741 about age 52, and was buried in St Isidore DE Leon.

General Notes:
After the death of her husband, Bermudo II (953-84-99), she was joint-regent with Mendos Gonzales for son Alfonso V (989-999-1028). Born as Princess of Castilla and lived (965-1017) 1741

Elvira married Bermudo II King Of LEON 2232 in November 991. Bermudo was born in 953 in Leon, Spain, died in September 999 in Villabueno Del Bierzo, Spain at age 46, and was buried in Carrac Edo, Spain.

514840942166. Melendo Gonsalez Of VALDES Count Of Galicia 415 was born in 965 in Valdes, Leon, Spain and died in October 1008 in (Killed) at age 43. Another name for Melendo was Melendo GONSALEZ.

General Notes: Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (277:34).

Melendo married Nunez De CELANOVA. Nunez was born about 970 in Celanova, Spain.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471083       i.  Elvira Gonzales Of VALDES (born in 991 in Valdes, Leon, Spain - died on 2 December 1022)


514840942167. Nunez De CELANOVA 415 was born about 970 in Celanova, Spain.

Nunez married Melendo Gonsalez Of VALDES Count Of Galicia. Melendo was born in 965 in Valdes, Leon, Spain and died in October 1008 in (Killed) at age 43. Another name for Melendo was Melendo GONSALEZ.


514840942176. Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND,415,505,902 son of Boleslaw I 'Chrobny' King Of POLAND and Emnilde Of SILESIA, was born about 990 in Krakaow, Poland,902 died on 10 May 1034 902,3164 about age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul, Poznan, Poland. Another name for Misceyslaw was Mieszko II King of POLAND.

General Notes:
Mieszko II became king under the will of his father, Boleslaw the Brave, who also arranged his marriage to Rycheza of Lorraine, the emperor Otto III's niece, in 1013. His brothers, the elder Bezprym and the younger Otto, opposed the father's decision and in their struggle against Mieszko sought support of a German-Rus coalition. Under Mieszko II's rule, Bohemia captured Moravia, Germany occupied Lusatia, Denmark entered Pomerania, and Rus recovered Grody Czerwienskie. Rycheza secretly left Poland, taking with her to Germany the royal insignia. The young Polish state was collapsing.

Misceyslaw married Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE,3165 daughter of Edzo Pfalzgraf of LORRAINE Lord of Duisburg and Matilda Princess of SAXONY, about 1013.902 Rixa was born about 1000 in Lorraine, France,902 died from 21 March 1062 to 1063 in Saalfeld, Mulhausen, Thuringia 902,3164 about age 62, and was buried in Coln, Rheinland, Prussia.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471088       i.  Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND (born on 25 July 1016 in Krakow, Poland - died on 28 November 1058)

                  ii.  Rixa Of POLAND was born about 1020 in Krakaow, Poland and died after 1051 3166.

257420471093     iii.  Gertrude Princess Of POLAND (born about 1028 in Krakow, Poland - died on 4 January 1106-1107)




514840942177. Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE,415,505,3165 daughter of Edzo Pfalzgraf of LORRAINE Lord of Duisburg and Matilda Princess of SAXONY, was born about 1000 in Lorraine, France,902 died from 21 March 1062 to 1063 in Saalfeld, Mulhausen, Thuringia 902,3164 about age 62, and was buried in Coln, Rheinland, Prussia.

General Notes:
She was the first polish Queen since 1025 as the wife of prince (since 1025 a king) Mieszko II. She was the eldest daughter of Errenfried Ezzon, “der rheinische Pfalzgraf” (palatin) and Matilda, daughter of Emperor Otto II. Rycheza was regent for her son, Kazimierz I Odnowiciel. She lived (996-1063).

Born between 995 and 1000, Richensa of Lotharingia (Fr. Lorraine ) was the daughter of the Count Palatine Ezzo of Lotharingia and Mathilde of Saxony. She was thus the granddaughter of emperor Otto II and his wife Theophanu. Her mother, Mathilde of Saxony, was the sister of Otto III, Holy Roman Emperor. Richensa married Mieszko II , king of Poland. Retrieved from "<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richensa_of_Lotharingia>" 3167

Rixa married Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND,902 son of Boleslaw I 'Chrobny' King Of POLAND and Emnilde Of SILESIA, about 1013.902 Misceyslaw was born about 990 in Krakaow, Poland,902 died on 10 May 1034 902,3164 about age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul, Poznan, Poland. Another name for Misceyslaw was Mieszko II King of POLAND.

514840942178. St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV,415,2855,2856 son of Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV and Maloucha Of LUBECH, was born about 955 in Kiev, Ukraine, died on 15 July 1015 in Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine 2857 about age 60, and was buried in Church Of The Ti, Kiev, Ukraine. Other names for St were Saint Vladimir, and Vladimir I Svyatoslavich.

General Notes:
The date of his birth is not know. He was born out of wedlock to Svyatoslav I Igoryevich, prince of Kyiv by the "Kliuchnitsa" to the Princess Ol'ga, Malushi. Svyatoslav already had two legitimate sons, Yaropolk and Oleg. Vladimir was sent to control Novgorod (970-980). He was then prince of Kyiv (978-1015). He married first in 980 Rogneda, daughter of Rogvolod, prince of Polotsk, then had many other wives and concubines before officially marrying Anna Porphrogenita, daughter of Romanus II, Byzantine Emperor, and sister of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II. She died in 1011. He is credited with several other wives, ( a Czech, a Bulgarian, and others). He later married the daughter of Cuno, Count of Oeningen and granddaughter of Emperor Otto I. She died in 1018. He had many sons, some whose names are unknown and it is not clear, except for Izyaslav, which sons were from which women. According to the chronicle, however, by Rogneda he had Izyaslav (prince of Polotsk, d. 1001), Mstislav (prince of Tmutorokan and Chernigiv, d. 1036), Yaroslav (prince of Kyiv, d. 1054) and Vsyevolod (prince of Vladimir in Volynia, d. 1010) and two daughters. By the Byzantine nun he had Svyatopolk I (prince of Kyiv, d. 1019) , by one Czech he had Vysheslav (prince of Novgorod, d. 1010) and by another Svyatoslav (prince of the Drevlyanie, d. 1015) and Mstislav, and by a Bulgarian Boris ( prince of Rostov) and Gleb (prince of Murom) (both died in 1015) Among the others: Sudislav, Prince of Pskov (d. 1063); Stanislav, crown Prince of Kiev (?); Pozvizd, crown prince of Kyiv (d. after 1015); and Predislav (d. after 1018). His daughters included Predslava (d. after 1018), Premislava, married King Ladislaus of Hungary; another who married Bernhard, Margrave of Nordmark, and eight more. He is reputed to have had 300 concubines at Vyshgorod, another 300 at Belgorod and 200 at the main palace at Berestovo near Kyiv.

His power base was among the Varyagi to whom a payoffs were made as they were known to run roughshod over the citizenry. He had to flee to Scandinavia when his half-brother, Yaropolk, took the throne on the death of their father, Svyatoslav, in 972. He returned with 6000 Vikings - Varangians and organized an army also of Novgorodians. After taking Kyiv he reneged on his promise to pay the Varangians. He was able to keep a lid on them by sending some 6000 of them off to Greece to serve in Emperor Basil's army. Initially Vladimir was a tireless builder of heathen temples of which particularly intimidating was the idol Peruna on the hill where the Prince and privileged people lived.

In 992 a large mass of Pecheneg warriors were met by Vladimir on the opposite side of the Trubezh river and a stand off ensued. The legend says that it was agreed that each side would pick a warrior and that the winner would rule the others principality for three years. The Russian crushed the life out of the Pecheneg with his bare hands. Vladimir founded the city of Pereyaslavl on that spot. Other towns he is known to have built on the rivers Trubezh, Desna, Sula, etc., to halt the continuous attacks of steppe peoples and strengthen the defenses of the Russian territories, are Vasiliev on the Stugna and Belgorod on the Dnieper. There is no doubt Vladimir also founded a new city, Izyaslav, because he wished to rid himself of his wife Roganda and her son Izyaslav Vladimirovich. The principality of Polotsk remained under the rule of the descendants of Izyaslav Vladimirovich, Vladimir's eldest son of his first wife Roganda. She had forgiven him for having killed her father and brother but she could not abide by his unfaithfulness.

The Chronicler says that not only Christian but Muslim and Jews brought their missionaries to sway the prince to their beliefs. First among the ambassadors were the Bulgarians, practicing the religion of Mohammed, but their tenets of shaven heads and non-alcoholism did not please the prince. The ambassadors of the Pope in Rome were also rejected. Likewise the Khazar Jews were turned away. Having heard them, the prince asked them where was their homeland. "In Jerusalem" answered the ambassadors, but "God punished us, and scattered us on others' lands." "You who are punished by God dare teach others-- cried out Vladimir; we have no wish to give up our homeland." Finally, the envoy sent by the Greeks, a philosopher, refuting other beliefs, told in summary to the prince the Old and New Testaments and the contents of the Bible. In conclusion he showed Vladimir a depiction of the last judgement with the fates endured by the judged sinners and saved; the prince was astonished and exclaimed: "Happiness for those who do good deeds and anguish for the evil." "Be Baptized," responded the Greek elder and "You will be in Heaven with the first ones." Vladimir, the "Self made Christian," ordered the construction of the first stone churches, palaces and fortifications in Kiev. The church dedicated to the Virgin Mother was commissioned by Grand Prince Vladimir in 989 and endowed the church with a tenth part of his revenue; because of this endowment the people started calling the church Desyatinaya (The church of the Tithes), a name which it has been known ever since. He conducted many campaigns. Among the most notable was the siege and capture of Chersonesus, the Byzantine port in Crimea. He returned it in exchange for Basil's sister. 2842

St married Anna Princess of BYZANTINE EMPIRE,2858 daughter of Romanus II Emperor of BYZANTINE EMPIRE and Theophano of BYZANTINE EMPIRE, about 988 in Kherson, Kiev, Ukraine. Anna was born from 13 March 962 to 963 in Constantinople, Turkey and died in 1011 2858 at age 49.

St next married Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK,2856,2857,2859 daughter of Ragnvald OLAFSSON Of West Gotland & Polotsk and Ingelborge, in 1st Wife - Divorced. Regneide was born about 958 in Polotsk, Byelorussia and died in 1000 in (As A Nun Named Anastasia) 2860 about age 42.

St next married Rogneda Von ÖHNINGEN,2862 daughter of Duke Of Swabia Konrad I Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Richilde, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, after 1011 2857.,2861 Rogneda was born about 968 in Öhningen, Konstanz, Baden, Germany and died on 14 August 1014 2857,2861 about age 46.

514840942179. Rogneda Von ÖHNINGEN,415,1444,2862,3095,3096 daughter of Duke Of Swabia Konrad I Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Richilde, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 968 in Öhningen, Konstanz, Baden, Germany and died on 14 August 1014 2857,2861 about age 46.

Rogneda married St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV,2855,2856 son of Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV and Maloucha Of LUBECH, after 1011 2857.,2861 St was born about 955 in Kiev, Ukraine, died on 15 July 1015 in Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine 2857 about age 60, and was buried in Church Of The Ti, Kiev, Ukraine. Other names for St were Saint Vladimir, and Vladimir I Svyatoslavich.

514840942180. Bretislav I Duke Of BOHEMIA 415 was born about 1005 in Prague, Czechoslovakia and died from 10 January 1054 to 1055 about age 49.

Bretislav married Judith Of SCHWEINFURT, daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, about 1020. Judith was born about 1007 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria and died on 2 August 1058 about age 51.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471090       i.  Vratislav II (Wratislav Ii) King Of BOHEMIA (born about 1035 in Prague, Czechoslovakia - died on 14 January 1092-1093)


514840942181. Judith Of SCHWEINFURT,415 daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1007 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria and died on 2 August 1058 about age 51.

Judith married Bretislav I Duke Of BOHEMIA about 1020. Bretislav was born about 1005 in Prague, Czechoslovakia and died from 10 January 1054 to 1055 about age 49.

514840942182. Andrew (Andros) I King Of HUNGARY,415,3168 son of Unknown and Premyslava Of KIEV, was born in 1001 in Esztergom, Komarom-Esztergo, Hungary and died after 6 July 1060 in Zircz, Veszprem, Hungary 2651.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1058. 2993 (killed by brother Bela)

Andrew married Anastasia Yaroslavna Countess Of KIEV,2651 daughter of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, about 1046.2651 Anastasia was born about 1026 in Kiev, Ukraine and died after 1064 2651.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471091       i.  Adelaide Princess Of HUNGARY (born about 1046 in Esztergom, Poland - died on 27 January 1061-1062)

                  ii.  George Arpad Prince Of HUNGARY was born about 1048 in Esztergom, Komarom-Esztergo, Hungary. Another name for George was George ARPAD Prince Of Hungary.


514840942183. Anastasia Yaroslavna Countess Of KIEV,415,2651 daughter of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, was born about 1026 in Kiev, Ukraine and died after 1064 2651.

Anastasia married Andrew (Andros) I King Of HUNGARY,3168 son of Unknown and Premyslava Of KIEV, about 1046.2651 Andrew was born in 1001 in Esztergom, Komarom-Esztergo, Hungary and died after 6 July 1060 in Zircz, Veszprem, Hungary 2651.

514840942184. Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV,415,1524,2648 son of St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV and Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK, was born about 976 in Kiev, Ukraine and died from 20 February 1053 to 1054 in Kiev, Ukraine 2427 about age 77. Another name for Jaroslaus was Jaroslav VALDIMIROVICH Grand Prince Of Kiev.

Jaroslaus married Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR 1524,2648 in 1019 in 2ND Wife.2649 Ingegard was born in 1001 in Uppsala, Sweden and died from 10 February 1049 to 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 at age 48. Another name for Ingegard was Ingeborg Of SWEDEN.

514840942185. Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR,415,1524,2648 daughter of Olaf III Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Astrid Of OBOTRITES, was born in 1001 in Uppsala, Sweden and died from 10 February 1049 to 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 at age 48. Another name for Ingegard was Ingeborg Of SWEDEN.

Ingegard married Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV 1524,2648 in 1019 in 2ND Wife.2649 Jaroslaus was born about 976 in Kiev, Ukraine and died from 20 February 1053 to 1054 in Kiev, Ukraine 2427 about age 77. Another name for Jaroslaus was Jaroslav VALDIMIROVICH Grand Prince Of Kiev.

514840942186. Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND,415,505,902 son of Boleslaw I 'Chrobny' King Of POLAND and Emnilde Of SILESIA, was born about 990 in Krakaow, Poland,902 died on 10 May 1034 902,3164 about age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul, Poznan, Poland. Another name for Misceyslaw was Mieszko II King of POLAND.

General Notes:
Mieszko II became king under the will of his father, Boleslaw the Brave, who also arranged his marriage to Rycheza of Lorraine, the emperor Otto III's niece, in 1013. His brothers, the elder Bezprym and the younger Otto, opposed the father's decision and in their struggle against Mieszko sought support of a German-Rus coalition. Under Mieszko II's rule, Bohemia captured Moravia, Germany occupied Lusatia, Denmark entered Pomerania, and Rus recovered Grody Czerwienskie. Rycheza secretly left Poland, taking with her to Germany the royal insignia. The young Polish state was collapsing.

Misceyslaw married Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE,3165 daughter of Edzo Pfalzgraf of LORRAINE Lord of Duisburg and Matilda Princess of SAXONY, about 1013.902 Rixa was born about 1000 in Lorraine, France,902 died from 21 March 1062 to 1063 in Saalfeld, Mulhausen, Thuringia 902,3164 about age 62, and was buried in Coln, Rheinland, Prussia.

514840942187. Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE,415,505,3165 daughter of Edzo Pfalzgraf of LORRAINE Lord of Duisburg and Matilda Princess of SAXONY, was born about 1000 in Lorraine, France,902 died from 21 March 1062 to 1063 in Saalfeld, Mulhausen, Thuringia 902,3164 about age 62, and was buried in Coln, Rheinland, Prussia.

General Notes:
She was the first polish Queen since 1025 as the wife of prince (since 1025 a king) Mieszko II. She was the eldest daughter of Errenfried Ezzon, “der rheinische Pfalzgraf” (palatin) and Matilda, daughter of Emperor Otto II. Rycheza was regent for her son, Kazimierz I Odnowiciel. She lived (996-1063).

Born between 995 and 1000, Richensa of Lotharingia (Fr. Lorraine ) was the daughter of the Count Palatine Ezzo of Lotharingia and Mathilde of Saxony. She was thus the granddaughter of emperor Otto II and his wife Theophanu. Her mother, Mathilde of Saxony, was the sister of Otto III, Holy Roman Emperor. Richensa married Mieszko II , king of Poland. Retrieved from "<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richensa_of_Lotharingia>" 3167

Rixa married Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND,902 son of Boleslaw I 'Chrobny' King Of POLAND and Emnilde Of SILESIA, about 1013.902 Misceyslaw was born about 990 in Krakaow, Poland,902 died on 10 May 1034 902,3164 about age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul, Poznan, Poland. Another name for Misceyslaw was Mieszko II King of POLAND.

514840942192. Adalbert "The Victorious" Margrave Of AUSTRIA 415,1984,2844 was born about 987 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria and died on 26 May 1053 2844 about age 66.

Adalbert married Adela Of VENICE 1984 about 1020 of Venice, Italy. Adela was born about 997 in Venice, Italy and died from after 17 February 1057 to 1058 1984.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471096       i.  Ernst "The Valiant" Margrave Of AUSTRIA (born in 1024 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria - died on 9 June 1075)


514840942193. Adela Of VENICE 415,1984 was born about 997 in Venice, Italy and died from after 17 February 1057 to 1058 1984.

General Notes: Brant Gibbard has Adelheid, with no ancestry, but says Adalbert also married Fuela Orseolo, daughter of Pietro II Orseolo Doge of Venice. Turton seems to have combined these two women as daughter of Ott & granddaughter of Pietro. @@check ancestry

Adela married Adalbert "The Victorious" Margrave Of AUSTRIA 1984,2844 about 1020 of Venice, Italy. Adalbert was born about 987 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria and died on 26 May 1053 2844 about age 66.

514840942194. Dedi II Von Meissen Margrave Of The OSTMARK 415,2844 was born about 1012 in Meissen, Dresden, Saxony, Germany and died in October 1075 2844 about age 63. Another name for Dedi was Dedi II Von MEISSEN Margrave Of The Ostmark.

Dedi married Oda Of LUSATIA 2844 after 1039 in 2ND Husband.2844 Oda was born about 1012 in Lusatia, East Germany/West Poland and died in 1067 about age 55. Another name for Oda was Oda Von OSTMARK.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471097       i.  Adelheid Von Meissen Margravine Of OSTMARK (born about 1035 in Meissen, Dresden, Saxony, Germany - died in 1071)


514840942195. Oda Of LUSATIA 415,2844 was born about 1012 in Lusatia, East Germany/West Poland and died in 1067 about age 55. Another name for Oda was Oda Von OSTMARK.

Oda married Wilhelm III Von WEIMAR 2232 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife.2844 Wilhelm was born about 975 in Weimar, Thuringia, Germany and died on 6 April 1039 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany about age 64.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Otto II Count Of ORLAMUNDE Markgraf Of Ostmark was born about 1029 in Weimar, Thuringia, Germany and died in 1067 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany about age 38. Another name for Otto was Otto II Count Of WEIMAR-ORLAMUNDA.

Oda next married Dedi II Von Meissen Margrave Of The OSTMARK 2844 after 1039 in 2ND Husband.2844 Dedi was born about 1012 in Meissen, Dresden, Saxony, Germany and died in October 1075 2844 about age 63. Another name for Dedi was Dedi II Von MEISSEN Margrave Of The Ostmark.

514840942196. Diepold I Count Of TRAUNGAU 415 was born about 1000 in Traunstein, Bavaria, Germany and died after 1060 in Augsburg, Bavaria, Germany. Other names for Diepold were Diepold I Count Of ANGSTGAU, and2232 Diepold I Count Of AUGSTGAU.

Diepold married Maria Von SCHWEINFURT, daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, after 1035 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Maria was born about 1002 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Diepold II Count Of NORDGAU was born about 1036 in Nordgau, Bavaria, Germany and died on 7 August 1078 about age 42.

257420471098      ii.  Rapoto IV Count Of CHAM (born about 1038 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria - died in 1074)

                 iii.  Mr. Von AUGSTGAU was born about 1040 in Augsburg, Bavaria, Germany. Another name for Mr. was Son Of ANGSTGAU.

                  iv.  Heinrich Count Of BERG-SCHELKLINGEN was born about 1045 in Schelkingen, Donaukreis, Wurttemberg.

Diepold next married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 1005 in Bavaria, Germany and died before 1035.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Mathilde Im Oberen TRAUNGAU was born about 1025 in Traunstein, Bavaria, Germany.


514840942197. Maria Von SCHWEINFURT,415 daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1002 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria.

Maria married Diepold I Count Of TRAUNGAU after 1035 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Diepold was born about 1000 in Traunstein, Bavaria, Germany and died after 1060 in Augsburg, Bavaria, Germany. Other names for Diepold were Diepold I Count Of ANGSTGAU, and2232 Diepold I Count Of AUGSTGAU.

Maria next married Ruprecht Burgraf Von REGENSBURG in 1st Husband. Ruprecht was born about 998 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria and died in 1035 about age 37.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Henry Burgraf Von REGENSBURG was born about 1022 in Regensberg, Oberpfalz, Bavaria.

Maria next married Udalschalk II Count Of PAAR after 1060 in 3rd Husband. Udalschalk was born about 1002 in Germany.


514840942198. Herman I, Count Of KASTEL,415,1444 son of Hermann IV Duke Of SWABIA and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO, was born about 1040 in Kastl, Oberpfalz, Bavaria and died from 27 January 1055 to 1056 about age 15.

Herman married Haziga Von DIESSEN. Haziga was born about 1028 in Diessen Am Ammersee, Bavaria, Germany and died on 17 October 1100 about age 72.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471099       i.  Mathilde Of KASTL (born about 1043 in Kastl, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria)


514840942199. Haziga Von DIESSEN 415 was born about 1028 in Diessen Am Ammersee, Bavaria, Germany and died on 17 October 1100 about age 72.

Haziga married Herman I, Count Of KASTEL, son of Hermann IV Duke Of SWABIA and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO. Herman was born about 1040 in Kastl, Oberpfalz, Bavaria and died from 27 January 1055 to 1056 about age 15.

Haziga next married Otto I Von SCHEYERN Count Of Middle Paar. Otto was born about 1025 in Bavaria, Germany and died on 4 December 1072 in Jerusalem, Palestine (On Pilgrimage) about age 47. Another name for Otto was Otto I Von Scheyern Count Of Middle PAAR.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Otto II Von SCHEYERN Count Of Paar & Kelsgau was born about 1060 in Bavaria, Germany and died in 1110 about age 50. Another name for Otto was Otto II Von Scheyern Count Of Kelsgau & PAAR.

                  ii.  Arnold I Von SCHEYERN was born about 1070 in Diessen, Oberbayern, Bavaria and died on 26 March 1123 about age 53.




514840942200. Conrad II Le Salien, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,1444,3169,3170 son of Henry Count Of SPEYER and Adelheide Of ALSACE, was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 3169 and died on 4 June 1039 in Utrecht, Netherlands 3169,3170 about age 49. Other names for Conrad were Le Salien=The Salian, Conrad II The Salic Of FRANCONIA, Conrad Ii, and King Of GERMANY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1024-1039.

Conrad married Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN,2515,3169,3170 daughter of Hermann II Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Gerberge Des DEUX-BOURGOGNE, after 1016. Gisela was born on 11 November 995 in Schwaben, Germany 3170 and died on 16 February 1043 1447,2515,3170 at age 47. Other names for Gisela were Gisele, and Osela.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471100       i.  Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born on 28 October 1017 in Bavaria, Germany - died on 5 October 1056 in Pfalz Bodfeld Near Goslar, Saxony, Germany)

                  ii.  Emelia, Princess Of GERMANY.

                 iii.  Matilda, Princess Of GERMANY was born after 1025 and died in 1034. Another name for Matilda, was Mathilde.

                  iv.  Beatrix, Princess Of GERMANY was born about 1020 and died in 1034 about age 14.




514840942201. Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN,415,1444,2515,3169,3170 daughter of Hermann II Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Gerberge Des DEUX-BOURGOGNE, was born on 11 November 995 in Schwaben, Germany 3170 and died on 16 February 1043 1447,2515,3170 at age 47. Other names for Gisela were Gisele, and Osela.

General Notes:
The daughter and heiress of Duke Hermann II von Schwaben and Gerberga de Bourgogne, she was regent after the death of her second husband, Duke Ernst I von Schwaben during the minority of their son, Ernst II, until she was removed from the regency because she and Ernst I was too closely related according to the Canon Law. She later married Konrad II, and she was crowned Queen of Germany, and Holy Roman Empress. The sources indicates that she was a vivid participant in the affairs of the realm and acted as joint regent of her husband, and it was trough her intervention that her relative, Rudolf III of Burgundy transferred the succession to his realm to her husband. She was also interested in the affairs of the church and intervened in the appointments of Bishops and Princely Abbots. She was not at good terms with her son, Heinrich III, and therefore she was less influential after Konrad's death. She lived (989-1043). 1741

Gisela married Conrad II Le Salien, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,3169,3170 son of Henry Count Of SPEYER and Adelheide Of ALSACE, after 1016. Conrad was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 3169 and died on 4 June 1039 in Utrecht, Netherlands 3169,3170 about age 49. Other names for Conrad were Le Salien=The Salian, Conrad II The Salic Of FRANCONIA, Conrad Ii, and King Of GERMANY.

Gisela next married Bruno II Count Of BRUNSWICK 2515 about 1000 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2515.,3091 Bruno was born about 965 in Braunschweig, Brunswick, Germany and died in 1011 about age 46. Other names for Bruno were Bruno Von BRAUNSCHWEIG Count Of Derlingau, and Bruno I Billungen D' OSTPHALIE.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1006. 2515

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Ludolph (Liudolf) Count Of BRUNSWICK was born about 1010 in Braunschweig, Brunswick, Germany and died on 23 April 1038 2515 about age 28. Other names for Ludolph were Ludwig Von BRAUNSCHWEIG Count Of Derlingau, Luidolf Billungen De FRISE OCCIDENTALE, Ludolphe, and Margrave Of SAXONY.1436

                  ii.  Miss Von BRAUNSCHWEIG was born before 1012 in Braunschweig, Brunswick, Germany.

Gisela next married Ernst I, Duke Of SWABIA 3169 in 1012 in Schwaben, Germany. Ernst was born about 985 in Peochlam, Niedeneosterreich, Austria and died on 31 May 1015 about age 30. Another name for Ernst was Ernest II D' AUTRICHE.

Noted events in his life were:

• Title: 1012-1015.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hermann IV Duke Of SWABIA was born about 1013 in Schwaben, Germany and died on 28 July 1038 about age 25.

                  ii.  Ernst Ii, Duke Of SWABIA.


514840942202. William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine,415,1444,2612,2613 son of William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine and Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS, was born on 29 June 992 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147 and died on 31 January 1030 in Abbey Of St. Cyprian 1109,1436 at age 37. Other names for William were Guillaume V, William III Of Poitou V Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iii, and Count Of POITOU.

William married Amodis Von GÉVAUDAN about 977.

William next married Sancha Von GASCOGNE in 1011.1436 Sancha died before 1018.

William next married Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY,2390 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, in 1018 in 3rd Wife 1436.,2390 Agnès was born about 995 in Bourgogne, France 2147 and died on 10 November 1068 2147 about age 73. Other names for Agnès were Agnès De BOURGOGNE, Agnaes Of BURGUNDY, Agnes, and Princess Of LOMBARDY.

William next married Agnes (Almodie) De GEVAUDAN 2390 in 1st Wife.2390 Agnes was born about 980 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died after 1005.

William next married Brisque De GASCONY 2390 after 1005 in 2ND Wife.2390 Brisque was born about 975 in Gascony, France and died before 1017. Another name for Brisque was Brisque De GASCOGNE.

514840942203. Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2390 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 995 in Bourgogne, France 2147 and died on 10 November 1068 2147 about age 73. Other names for Agnès were Agnès De BOURGOGNE, Agnaes Of BURGUNDY, Agnes, and Princess Of LOMBARDY.

General Notes:
She became the third wife of Guillaume III-V, Duke of Aquitaine, one of the most powerful lords in France. After about twelve years of marriage, Guillaume died and Agnes defeated his two sons from a previous marriage. First she ruled by herself, then later with her own two sons. She married again but her second husband, the Count of Anjou, divorced her after eighteen years. 1741

Agnès married William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine,2612,2613 son of William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine and Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS, in 1018 in 3rd Wife 1436.,2390 William was born on 29 June 992 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147 and died on 31 January 1030 in Abbey Of St. Cyprian 1109,1436 at age 37. Other names for William were Guillaume V, William III Of Poitou V Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iii, and Count Of POITOU.

514840942208. Emenon Comte De SABRAN 415 was born about 1005 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died after 1043.

Emenon married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471104       i.  Rostaign II Comte De SABRAN (born after 1043 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France)


514840942216. Amic De AVIGNON,415 son of Adalelme Judge At AVIGNON and Belielde De MARSEILLE, was born about 1006 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France (Skinned Alive) and died about 1050 about age 44.

Amic married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471108       i.  Piers (Peter) AMIC Seigneur De Vedene (born about 1034 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France - died before 1113)


514840942240. Adalelme Judge At AVIGNON 415 was born before 976 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died after 1005 in (Skinned Alive).

Adalelme married Belielde De MARSEILLE. Belielde was born about 980 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1036 about age 56.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471120       i.  Berenger I Vicomte D' AVIGNON (born about 1000 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France - died before 1065)

514840942216      ii.  Amic De AVIGNON (born about 1006 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France (Skinned Alive) - died about 1050)


514840942241. Belielde De MARSEILLE,415 daughter of Guillaume I Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Belielde, was born about 980 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1036 about age 56.

Belielde married Adalelme Judge At AVIGNON. Adalelme was born before 976 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died after 1005 in (Skinned Alive).

514840942242. Miron-Laget Vicomte De SISTERON & Nice 415 was born about 984 in Sisteron, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died before 1012 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence, France.

Miron-Laget married Odile De PROVENCE, daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, about 1001. Odile was born about 987 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after 1012.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471121       i.  Gerberge De SISTERON (born about 1010 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence, France)


514840942243. Odile De PROVENCE,415 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 987 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after 1012.

Odile married Miron-Laget Vicomte De SISTERON & Nice about 1001. Miron-Laget was born about 984 in Sisteron, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died before 1012 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence, France.

514840942272. Armengol (Ermengaud) II Count Of URGEL 415 was born about 1009 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died about 1038 in En Route To Jerusalem, Palestine about age 29.

Armengol married Constance Velasquita Of BEZALU, daughter of Unknown and Toda Of PROVENCE. Constance was born about 1010 in Besalu, Spain and died about 1038 about age 28.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471136       i.  Armengol (Ermengaud) III Count Of URGEL (born about 1033 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain - died about February 1064-1065 in Barbastro Castle, Castile, Spain (Killed))


514840942273. Constance Velasquita Of BEZALU,415 daughter of Unknown and Toda Of PROVENCE, was born about 1010 in Besalu, Spain and died about 1038 about age 28.

Constance married Armengol (Ermengaud) II Count Of URGEL. Armengol was born about 1009 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died about 1038 in En Route To Jerusalem, Palestine about age 29.

514840942274. Bernard II Comte De BIGORRE,415 son of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, was born about 1000 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died about 1077 in Bigorre, Spain about age 77.

Bernard married Clemence. Clemence was born about 1004 in France and died after 1065.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471137       i.  Clemencia De BIGORRE (born about 1027 in Bigorre, Spain - died after 1065)


514840942275. Clemence 415 was born about 1004 in France and died after 1065.

Clemence married Bernard II Comte De BIGORRE, son of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE. Bernard was born about 1000 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died about 1077 in Bigorre, Spain about age 77.

514840942276. Fulk (William) Bertrand Count Of PROVENCE,415,1541 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE, was born about 1003 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 27 April 1051 about age 48.

General Notes: Turton states that Bretrand's wife is Adelaide.

Fulk married Hildegard De TOULOUSE Heiress Of Forcalquier,2619 daughter of Bertrand De TOULOUSE Comte De Forcalquier and Unknown, before 1025. Hildegard was born about 1008 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died on 23 June 1040 about age 32.

Children from this marriage were:

257420471138       i.  William Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER (born about 1029 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died in 1090)

                  ii.  Gerberge De PROVENCE was born about 1040 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died about 1066 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Cote D'azur, France 3171 about age 26.

                 iii.  Robert I BERTRAND Seigneur De Bricquebec was born about 1042 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1082 in Bricquibec, Manche, Normandy, France about age 40. Another name for Robert was Robert I Bertrand Seigneur De BRICQUEBEC.


514840942277. Hildegard De TOULOUSE Heiress Of Forcalquier,415,2619 daughter of Bertrand De TOULOUSE Comte De Forcalquier and Unknown, was born about 1008 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died on 23 June 1040 about age 32.

Hildegard married Fulk (William) Bertrand Count Of PROVENCE,1541 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE, before 1025. Fulk was born about 1003 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 27 April 1051 about age 48.

514840942278. Ardoino II Of IVREA 415,3016 was born in 1004 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy.

Ardoino married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471139       i.  Adelaide Cavanez Of IVREA (born in 1030 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy - died after October 1113)


514840942304. Aton II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes 415,2408 was born before 975 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1032 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408.

General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.

5. Ato II, d. ca. 1032, vc. Albi & Nimes, ? Gerberga; issue:
.... Frotair, d. ca. 1077, eps. Nimes
.... Bernard Ato III, d. ca. 1060, vc Albi & Nimes, who follows.
.... Sicard.

Aton married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471152       i.  Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes (born about 1010 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in 1060 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France)


514840942306. Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE,415,1529,1948,1997 son of Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord and Almode De LIMOGES, was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

Bernard married Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY,1529,2829 daughter of Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis, in 1st Wife. Amelie was born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died before 1016. Another name for Amelie was Amelie (Amelia) D' AULNAY.

Bernard next married Amelie De RASEZ, daughter of Unknown and Lucie De PROVENCE, before 1016 in 2ND Wife. Amelie was born about 1000 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died in 1072 about age 72.

514840942307. Amelie De RASEZ,415 daughter of Unknown and Lucie De PROVENCE, was born about 1000 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died in 1072 about age 72.

Amelie married Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE,1529,1948,1997 son of Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord and Almode De LIMOGES, before 1016 in 2ND Wife. Bernard was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

514840942308. Raymond I Count Of CARCASSONNE,415 son of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, was born about 971 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

Raymond married Garsinde De BEZIERS before 1009 in 2ND Husband. Garsinde was born about 973 in Bezieres, Herault, Languedoc, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471154       i.  Pierre-Raymond Count Of CARCASSONNE (born about 1010 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died in 1060)


514840942309. Garsinde De BEZIERS 415 was born about 973 in Bezieres, Herault, Languedoc, France.

Garsinde married Raymond I Count Of CARCASSONNE, son of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, before 1009 in 2ND Husband. Raymond was born about 971 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

Garsinde next married Bernard I D' ANDUZE in 1st Husband. Bernard was born before 955 in Anduze, Gard, Languedoc, France and died before 1009.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1029.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Bermond D' ANDUZE Seigneur De Sauve was born about 990 in Anduze, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1054 in Sauve, Gard, Languedoc, France about age 64.


514840942310. Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,415,2408 son of Aton II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 about age 50.

General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.

6. Bernard Ato III, d. ca. 1060, vc Albi & Nimes, ? Ramgarde de Rasès; issue:
.... Raimond Bernard Trencavel, d. 1074, vc Nimes & Albi, who follows.
.... Frotair.

Bernard-Aton married Rangearde De LA MARCHE,2408 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ. Rangearde was born about 1017 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1069. Another name for Rangearde was Ramgarde De RAZES.

514840942311. Rangearde De LA MARCHE,415,2408 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ, was born about 1017 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1069. Another name for Rangearde was Ramgarde De RAZES.

Rangearde married Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,2408 son of Aton II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Unknown. Bernard-Aton was born about 1010 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 about age 50.

514840942368. Guiges IV Sire De VION 415,2176 was born about 950 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 18 October 996 2176 about age 46.

Guiges married Friedeburga De VIENNE.2176 Friedeburga was born about 950 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1012.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471184       i.  Guiges V Sire De VION (born about 970 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France - died before 6 June 1009)


514840942369. Friedeburga De VIENNE 415,2176 was born about 950 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1012.

Friedeburga married Guiges IV Sire De VION.2176 Guiges was born about 950 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 18 October 996 2176 about age 46.

514840942370. Silvion De CLERIEU 415,3016,3172 was born about 941 in Clerieux, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France.

Silvion married Willa.3172 Willa was born about 945 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471185       i.  Gotelana De CLERIEU (born about 971 in Clerieux, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1027)


514840942371. Willa 415,3172 was born about 945 in France.

Willa married Silvion De CLERIEU 3016.,3172 Silvion was born about 941 in Clerieux, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France.

514840942372. Humbert I Seigneur De BEAUJEU 415,3173 was born about 957 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1016 3173.

Humbert married Ameldis Or Hermelt.3173 Ameldis was born after 955 in France and died before 998 3173.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471186       i.  Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU (born about 980 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France - died after 1031)


514840942373. Ameldis Or Hermelt 415,3173 was born after 955 in France and died before 998 3173.

Ameldis married Humbert I Seigneur De BEAUJEU.3173 Humbert was born about 957 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1016 3173.

514840942384. Gerard Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE,415 son of Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE and Unknown, was born about 930 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1001 about age 71.

Gerard married.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471192       i.  Rabel Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE (born about 955 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France - died about 1021)


514840942392. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON,1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

514840942393. Concubine(S) 415 was born in 935.

Concubine(S) married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 in No Marriage. Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

514840942394. Turchetil De HARCOURT Seigneur De Turqueville,415,608 son of Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT and Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC, was born about 951 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1024 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France 608.

General Notes: Turchetil, Sire de Harcourt, Normandy; fl. 1024; presumably kin of [English Harcourt descendants]. [Burke's peerage]

-----------------------------

Curt Hofemann, [email protected], wrote in a post-em:

Turchetil de HARCOURT, Seigneur de Turqueville [Ref: Turton (prob using Burke's)]

Turketil de TURQUEVILLE [Ref: Watney p99]

Turquetil Seigneur de TURQUETIL et de TANQUERAYE. His name has been spelt Turchil, Turketil, Turkel, Turkeul, Turquetal, Torkel, Torketil, Torchetil, Thorkil, Thorkel, Thurkild, Turquetil, Thorchetil, etc. It is a Danish name meaning Thor's Kettle or Cauldron. Turchetil de Neufmarche was his namesake. Turchetil III Baron De Tourville, Seigneur de Tourville and de Tanqueray.

Turquetil, seigneur de Turqueville, and de Tanqueraye, about 1001, appears in several charters concerning the abbeys of Fecamp and Bernay. He was lord of Neufmarche-en-Lions, governor of the boy duke, William... Turquetil was the second son of Torf, the son of Bernard the Dane... Turquetil, Turqueville or Tanqueraye, de Neufmarche, second son. died about 1036. He married Anceline, sister of Turstain of Montfort-sur-Risle. [Ref: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f030.htm#I1402X2]

Research note: can Turqueville also be Torville? Watney lists his father as Torf "the Rich" de HARCOURT, Seigneur de Torville & states he built the castle of Torville in 955. McBride shows Tourville. Is this French vs English for the same placename?

death: was treacherously assassinated between 1035 and 1040 by hirelings of Raoul de Gace... Murdered along with three other governor's of the young William future King of England. [Ref: McBride] (I show 1027, unfortunately I didn't identify the source, but it was apparently more solid than McBride or I would have replaced it as per McBride).

Regards,
Curt

Note: I find both a Turlaville & a Turqeville near Cherbourg, Normandy. I don't know whether the names are anglicized or not.

Turchetil married Adeline De MONTFORT,902 daughter of Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg De MONTFORT and Unknown. Adeline was born about 963 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Thurcytel De NEUFMARCHE was born about 988 in Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France.

                  ii.  Anchetil Sire De HARCOURT was born about 991 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1024 1454 about age 33.

257420471197     iii.  Lesceline (Lezieline) De HARCOURT (born about 996 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France - died on 26 January 1078-1079, buried in Abbey Of St. Pierre-Sur-Dives, Calvados, Normandy, France)


514840942395. Adeline De MONTFORT,415,902 daughter of Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg De MONTFORT and Unknown, was born about 963 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France.

Adeline married Turchetil De HARCOURT Seigneur De Turqueville,608 son of Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT and Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC. Turchetil was born about 951 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1024 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France 608.

514840942432. Humbert II Seigneur De SALINS 415,2814 was born about 950 in Salins Les Bains, Jura, Franche-Comte, France and died before 1028.

Humbert married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 955 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Windismodis De SALINS was born about 975 in Salins Les Bains, Jura, Franche-Comte, France.

Humbert next married Erembourg Of SEMUR, daughter of Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR and Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON, about 995 in 2ND Wife. Erembourg was born about 987 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

The child from this marriage was:

257420471216       i.  Gautier I Seigneur De SALINS (born about 1005 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France)


514840942433. Erembourg Of SEMUR,415 daughter of Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR and Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON, was born about 987 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Erembourg married Humbert II Seigneur De SALINS 2814 about 995 in 2ND Wife. Humbert was born about 950 in Salins Les Bains, Jura, Franche-Comte, France and died before 1028. picture


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